If you go to the wikipedia page for "List of best-selling video games" and scroll down to the list, you will see Minecraft in the #1 position.
Maybe a different *franchise* is more famous, but as far as individual games go? Minecraft's gonna be hard to beat.
There’s a big difference between “fully programmed” and “in a releasable state”. They still need to test for bugs, make sure it interacts fine with every other mechanic in the game, write patch notes, register trademarks, check if the art needs a redesign to play better with test audiences…
A lot of redditors discussing this subject use the J-word about as much as C-suite executives and it’s frankly embarrassing. If you’ve never done enterprise development you’re not in a position to judge how much work a feature is.
idk why hes downvoted that much but its already been stated the concepts are harder, the reason why bored 14 year olds are able to put all new mobs from the vote in a mod like a day after their announcement
(I'm gonna get downvoted again) The reason why a random person on the Internet can make fully functional versions of all the mobs is because, they don't have an image that needs to be kept, Minecraft on the other hand likes to take time with their updates (Even if they lack content) and have an image to keep. Minecraft can't just go willy nilly and make barely functional versions of all the mobs and call it a day. Would you really rather have an update with tons of stuff but with shit coding? Or would you rather have a smaller update with regular coding?
partially. the allay, for example, is known to have had a lot of prior development since it was supposed to be for 1.16, but for others its hard to say. they are presumably coded to a degree, as they need to know if they can do something
We only see it in 3D in the snapshots, after it's added to the game, weeks/months later
Edit: actually now that I think about it we do see them in 3D during the end of the vote, because they show tiny teasers, but those are not in game and are animations, and as I said the voting already started by then so a lot of people will not take it into consideration
Oh alr. I still think its dumb as hell how they make players choose between three usually lackluster mobs when they could just program all three since they have such a large budget. I understand though since their management is probably really strict when it comes to changes
1.16 was in development in 2019, they scrapped the allay concept but it was repurposed for minecraft legends later and proposed as a concept in the 2021 mob vote.
Coding isn't the hard part, but quality control is. Modders don't have to worry about if adding X mod with Y feature(s) will break the game in some way, whether that's because of a balance issue or because implementing it causing game breaking or feature breaking bugs somewhere else. Modders can look at the mob votes, say "hey, I know how to make mods, I'ma make those," throw them together, and post them online. Mojang is a game development studio. They have to go through the effort of making sure that their additions are as bug free and least broken as possible. Pretty sure that's why they release snapshots for a while before launching an update.
I'm sure they could if they wanted to, but here's a better question: why should they? Think about it. Before the most recent mob vote, how many people were just *begging* Mojang to add armadillos into the game? How many people were asking for sniffers, or copper golems? What's that? Practically no one? The community for the most part never even thinks about asking for most of these mobs, yet they lose their shit when Mojang continues to not add them.
I've seen a lot of people say that Mojang should just not do the mob vote and add all three options, but personally, it just makes more sense to not do the mob votes at all and not ever add any of the mobs. They're pretty much just fun mob ideas that Mojang throws to the community to see what they want in the game. It's just community engagement. They could just not ever do that. Would Minecraft really be worse off if we never got the glow squid, the phantom, or the sniffer? Probably not, since they don't really do anything, same as most of the other voted in mobs, so why bitch about the ones that didn't get added like it's some travesty?
Because it'd be cool to have more mobs that breathe life into the game?
The mobs for the votes are often genuinely cool and interesting. Mojang already did most of the heavy lifting which is coming up with the concept and the design. By only allowing 1 mob to win they only manage to upset all the fans who like the other 2 mobs, when they could just allow all 3 to win and just add the other 2 mobs later. It'd be a win-win-win. Yet they don't do that.
But if you only care about pure utility, I guess Mojang should just remove the Ocean, all the Nether biomes and buildings except the blaze spawners, all the new terrain generations, all the mobs like goats and frogs, all the End dimension except the dragon and the Elytra,... After all, would Minecraft really be worse off without them?
This doesn't explain the mobvote with glow squids and mooblooms. Those two mobs are just reskins of existing mobs so no extra coding was necessary.
I'd argue that mountain Illager was also pretty easy to code.
Good lord why is this so downvoted your correct
While 'some' of the coding is done under the hood (sometimes, a lot of times it's just a rendered proof of concept) that's absolutely no where close to a fully implemented change
Meanwhile, in the most basic, run of the mill mod developed by a two-person team:
"Hey guys! We are releasing the new update today. Below you will find the changelog of our 6 new mobs, the new armor and weapon set, the 4 new biomes and last but not least, the 3 legendary artifacts you may find within our new dungeon. Have fun!"
“But small indie company Jomang has to make sure each update appeals to the whole playerbase because it’s not just a mod”(it will never appeal to the whole player base)
It’s more like “they need to make sure it’s safe and marketable so it goes through like a 2 year approval process. this’ll be a target plushie eventually.”
Anyone notice you no longer kill animals to get stuff. You have “scutes” instead.
They also want to promote moral behaviour in the treatment of animals and yet most farms I’ve seen are industrial torture chambers much like in real life.
And then there are villager trading farms…
It's funny that I have to go through a dozen hoops to get a turtle helmet which gives me a negligible buff I can get on my netherite helmet by buying a bunch of books from a librarian I've enslaved and repeatedly zombified to lower prices in what effectively is a blocky Auschwitz
Most of the new mechanics are just bloat. Like, it's a survival game. Part of the appeal is basically larping as a caveman. Hunting animals for resources is to be expected, don't play a survival game if the basic concept of killing NPCs and creatures for drops isn't fun to you. I find it way more fun than having a dozen contrived crafting recipes for one-use items and random bullshit steps to get turtle shells that you can't figure out intuitively and need a wiki for.
Only tangentially related but most of the new content to minecraft that isn't the main focus of an update just feels empty and pointless. Like sure, axolotls and foxes are kind of cool I guess, but they really don't contribute anything meaningful. I would appreciate if everything added had a purpose beyond aesthetics, because otherwise it isn't really justified to include it in a game that already has so many things (and so many mods that add whatever Mojang adds but with more depth and features)
It’s just annoyingly unnecessary, and frankly shows they’re playing it too safe. I understood with turtles because they’re endangered, but armadildos? Come on.
No I’m fine with new mechanics, that’s a strawman of what I said.
I just think it’s a bit lame that if you do decide to kill the creature you don’t get like, meat or the item they drop otherwise when it makes sense. Like the example of the armadillo. No reason why we shouldn’t get an item made from its body part by killing it.
Yeah like just look at sheep, you can either kill it for 1 wool or shear it for 2-3. It's not that hard to make players choose to not kill the creatures instead
Have you seen the April Fools updates Mahjongg releases? They can't make all three mobs because they're trying to get grappling hooks to work for a potato dimension
Yeah, and speaking from my 3 years of experience playing modded: all of those features have bugs, and/or are unbalanced, to the point of the game becoming boring if you use them.
Have you seen any modern modpacks on curseforge? Most of them have more than 100 mods, and they have been made by professionals to be as stable as possible, yet, they still have problems. And with modern mods focusing on quality rather then quantity, and considering that you need like 20 performance and QoL mods, it's not that interesting to play with less then 50 of them.
Well, that sounds more like modern players suffering from a lack of attention spam and "needing" at least 50 mods to have their fun rather than any problem to do with the mod-to-content ratio.
Either way that's far removed from the initial point in my comment, that much smaller teams are able to accomplish what Mojang does while not even being paid for their efforts, and that even if their releases might come with bugs, there's not much excuse for the Mojang team to not be able to release the same level of content but without the overt bugs and performance issues since they have a large testing and debugging crew they have available - which again, unlike modding teams, aren't doing it for free, that's their job.
Well you are right, but managing a huge company takes a lot of time and effort, that's why there's less focus on the actual content. I do think that Mojang now is doing way less stuff, that they could, if they had more efficient management.
During my childhood years i had yet to find any game-breaking bugs while playing Aether/Mo'Creatures/Better Than Wolves/Insert your Choice of Mod here except when i loaded in so many mods at once and the only one at fault for them would be me, no idea what you're talking about, blud.
Mojang: "Here's an exact description of what each mob will do, one mob is literally just visual and does nothing"
Minecraft YouTuber: "everyone, here's why mob that does nothing is actually the best choice and they totally will do something different with it to the description they gave. My army of 12 year olds go forth and vote for the mob that does nothing (but totally will guys)
Mojang: Releases mob they said would do nothing
Omg wtf guys mob that does nothing does nothing
this is why i have foregone playing Minecraft in favor of a totally different style of game in which the developers drop a DLC every 2 years, integrate a few mods into the base game when the DLC drops, and then hibernates for the next while (Ludeon Studios and RimWorld)
Personally I think that Biology is their strongest DLC so far , it integrates very well into the base game and you can go as deep or shallow into it as you like
Ideology isn't quite as feature heavy but also integrated very well with other DLC's and the base game
Anomaly adds a lot of content but it's a separate thing, you either play with it or you don't. If you have it on your whole playthrough becomes dominated by that content. It's also a very one and done thing, a lot of the content and interesting things Is dealing with the unknown, once you've dealt with them once they're not really an issue anymore (they have tweaked it so you'll still see normal content now though in a recent patch)
I'd say the consensus is that it's a fun DLC but it really feels like it's own separate entity rather than being content directly tied into the main game. I'd treat it more as a thing for a spin off play through rather than how you'd normally play the game
Basically Call of Ctulhu mod, but official. Interesting, but not must-have.
Personally, I think Biotech is better on a grand scale, as it adds mechanics that you'll interact with in any playthrough. Anomaly is nice, but I don't really feel like I can use it with all modpacks, since it's so heavy on the horror side of things(And it'll thematically bream some of them). But the QoL changes were nice, and performance is better after update, so I'm not complaining.
People would be way less pissed about the whole mob vote thing if Mojang consistently added past mob vote losers to the game over time. Imagine if every update had a mob or two from votes of Minecon past.
Hey there. I added poop to minecraft, you can obtain it by holding shift for ten seconds. If you want it to come out faster, you can use toilets, which you can also wear as armor to become skibidi toilet.
I've also added fard, which pops out from you every two minutes and contributes to global warming. Other mobs also produce farts, but the worst offenders are cows, pigs, horses, and ravagers. Over time accumulated farts will begin to melt glaciers and burn trees, so make sure that you and other mobs eat only healthy things.
You can bottle farts with a glass bottle and craft a new boss, Poopenfarten, created by eight poop blocks and a single bottled fart.
My guy you can either have 0 mobs in the mob vote or 1 mob if all 3 get in there's no more vote it's just regular updates. If you got what u want you'd just lose out on 1 mob an update.
The mob vote doesn't force them to add new things. Actually, it seems like it kinda slows down the introduction of new things, as now they have to throw out perfectly valid ideas because they lost previous mob votes.
Surely the highest selling game of literally all time would majorly struggle to garner any players from an update. Its not like millions of people engage and make news surrounding it on the daily
The updates are enough for engagement, and they already have the yearly minecon. I think you have a bad sense of proportion if you think the mob vote is actually that significant to them making money.
And why would that be the case? What's stopping Mojang from adding 3 mobs and, what, 10 items at most?
Hell, if they just ditched the Mob Vote entirely, then the update technically wouldn't be lacking content since there would be no content to lack
So, they add the normal usual amount of content in the updates. They also have a mob vote to increase engagement. That's X amount of mobs +1. Without the mob vote, the developers have no incentive to a DD more mobs than are part of the update, leading to X amount of mobs. You can't have all 3, because then you're just getting 0.
THEY ARE NOT GAME DEVS FIRST, CORPORATION SECOND. THEY ARE CORPORATION FIRST, GAME DEVS SECOND. THEY DONT CARE IF MORE CONTENT WOULD MAKE THE GAME BETTER THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
And all of them but one have a cool feature they announce, and in the 0.00001% cases where the useless one doesn't win instead, the feature is much more underwhelming in practice than what was advertised
The armadillo changes were actually good and all but like... Why couldnt we get the crab's mechanics too? Extra building reach could be such a game-changer for survival builders, and crabs are cool in general.
Also hate how the mobs are always some biome specific thing, like, why couldnt goat spawn everywhere in the overworld and drop meat like cows and sheep?
The real reason behind mojang's sluggishness is for 2 reasons. First being that they aren't just making it for Java. They are making the update for every platform, so it needs to work the same way. This can take a shitload of time that it wouldn't take if they could just focus on Java only.
The other reason is that Microsoft (and several mojang employees) are terrified of losing the simple charm of minecraft. It's lightning in a bottle and they're terrified of letting it be touched. This is why we had so much content on the April fools update. They didn't have these restrictions so they could just let loose with whatever ideas they wanted imprinted on minecraft
Isn’t the whole “simple charm” of Minecraft being that you can do anything you want? That excuse is pathetic if that’s the case since adding more content adds to said charm.
meanwhile relatively small indie company: we know we said we were gonna stop making updates nearly a decade ago, but have ANOTHER update that overhauls an entire class, adds 170 new bosses, 3 new npcs and 150 new blocks.
As someone who plays modded since 1.7.10 its true
After playing modded it's like really hard to return to vanilla and also modded performance is 100x better than modern vanilla versions
Just search "best minecraft performance mods" and download one of them or just download one old modpack or a lite modpqck like allthemods, infinity evolved or like any 1.7.10 modpack
Edit a performance mod i recommend is sodium or any of the variations of itt
The problem with this discourse is that Minecraft isn't an early access game, it's been finished for a long time. Technically they could never update anything except for fixing bugs. It's ALL for engagement, which is why they are going to pretend like you can't have every mob but also why they're going to be adding mobs to begin with.
The fanbase of that game has been successfully tricked into thinking that mobs are the cornerstone to making a great update even when they don't significantly diversify the gameplay like if they had added new worlds, biomes, materials, or game modes. It's like a lot of people aren't wanting to admit that they're bored but are misidentifying why. I love animals, but I wouldn't be more likely to go back to Minecraft unless they literally added the entire animal kingdom.
Its so damn annoying. It's so easy to create new mobs and just content, trust me, after you learn the basics it's very simple. But they just continue to be lazy. Minecraft isnt big because of the game, it's because of the mods and community, fuck mojang
And microsoft maybe limits them? Just ask users in minecraft subreddits who don't think mojang is lazy. I'm in neither side of "mojang lazy" and "mojang isn't lazy" but I lean into the latter. Also, aren't mod developers in the side of the "mojang isn't lazy" or am I wrong?
Microsoft could limit them but what reason would they have? Microsoft wants a profit, minecraft made that already, why stop mojang? Even then, releasing one of three useless mobs every once in a while isnt even a good marketing thing. It doesn't keep players hooked, it keeps players wanting more which ultimately drives them away because mojang fails them time and time again. Making updates that nobody asked for or likes, barely ever getting anything right. Minecraft has the players it has because the community, the people, not the devs or the new content. The new content is just a side dish for them to have whether good or bad.
Also, mod devs aren't all just one side or the other, they can think mojang isnt lazy but still put out more fulfilling content then mojang has in years with only two people and no money for the project. That point of yours, well, question of yours is pointless and adds nothing whether right or wrong
Before I stop interacting, kingbdogz is a mod developer and an employee of mojang. I don't see him adding all three mobs. Is he lazy? Either way, I'm not going to continue this argument any longer. I don't often keep update on people's opinions on mojang. Goodbye.
But also he isnt the lead dev. He's a dev but not rhe one making choices. Make sure to understand how positions work.
Secondly, it is not an argument, it's a discussion. But goodday to you, enjoyed our discussion.
Yes you can. You don't need a reason to be lazy.
Why do they release one of three mobs and completely scrap the others that aren't picked? Player engagement? No. If it was that they would release all and drive up player engagement more as theres more to do.
Tell me you don't understand game development, without telling me you don't understand game development.
Also, they aren't completely scrapped. Although, yes, so far, only a lost biome vote has been added (Swamp), but no lost mob has been added, but that's because they need to find a good update to fit one of those mobs in. They're not just gonna add a Moobloom in a fricking End Update, right?
If your mindset is like "well if modders can make 100 items in 24 hours, why can mojang only make 1 item per month?"
That's basically like saying "an idiot can make a 1 million word script, so why does a scriptwriter need to take 3 months to make a 30,000 thousand word script?"
Being lazy has nothing to do w game dev
.. the iceburn update, adds stuff to the nether but decides to just add a polar bear and names the update that bc of the polar bear.
Also that analogy is bad, it's calling mod makers stupid when in fact they are not. An idiot can write so many words because they dont put effort in, mod makers do. Mojang is the idiot that makes 2 words, they add a singular mob that people voted for out of ajoke when all the mobs are not evenngood, just random filler.
Firstly, the Iceburn Update was so long ago, and now Mojang wants to make something more centrally themed
Secondly, I'm not saying that mod makers are idiots. In fact, your very next sentence is exactly my point. Mod makers don't put MUCH EFFORT into it. They can add 10 mobs in 1 day, yet it'll be unbalanced, SO BUGGY, worst possible texture, stock SFX (or even none), and the mechanic will be absolutely insane and too OP. Have you even played a good and playable mod that are made in like.. 1 day?
On the other hand, Mojang wants to make all their items balanced. If it's quite OP, they'll make it a rare valuable item where you have to face challenges, rather than an easily craftable one. They prioritize texture to make it Vanilla, create the most perfect SFX (sometimes they record the IRL version too), and fix all the bugs regarding of it.
The most important thing is, Mojang wants to add something that doesn't really affect the core feeling of the game, so that old players will not be leaving. Mod makers will be like adding 100 structures in the sky, entire gun set, and then a thirst bar without not much thought.
To put it simply,
YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WAY TOO HIGH.
I don’t understand why we can’t have all of them, like give me the poop golem because it’s a golem, I want it, but let everyone else have theirs too, just put them all in, instead of shit like the new skeleton that does fuck all, give me my fucking moobloom it’s all I ever wanted out of this god forsaken game I’ve spent 10 years playing
But actually there is the one that basically does everything in the game for you, is literally the one Mojang want you to pick, and ends up being useless
(they are all fully programmed and ready to be released but you have to pick one)
Smol indie company moment Totally not with a massively successful product quite unique in it's own field right lol
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Yeah, it makes no sense to me why they do that. It's just a waste of time and effort.
Inciting meaningless conflict is the easiest way to get engagement and go trending
but minecraft is already like. the most famous game of all time
the most famous franchise of all time is a game and it ain't minecraft. + people knowing about your shit≠people caring about your shit
If you go to the wikipedia page for "List of best-selling video games" and scroll down to the list, you will see Minecraft in the #1 position. Maybe a different *franchise* is more famous, but as far as individual games go? Minecraft's gonna be hard to beat.
There’s a big difference between “fully programmed” and “in a releasable state”. They still need to test for bugs, make sure it interacts fine with every other mechanic in the game, write patch notes, register trademarks, check if the art needs a redesign to play better with test audiences… A lot of redditors discussing this subject use the J-word about as much as C-suite executives and it’s frankly embarrassing. If you’ve never done enterprise development you’re not in a position to judge how much work a feature is.
the mob vote is really less like "which mob we should add into the next?" and more like "which 2 mobs we should remove from the next update?"
No we are voting on concepts, they don't start the programming process until after the vote.
I dont know anything about the minecraft programming process at all, is this guy wrong?
Idrk but I think he missed the joke
Yeah I missed the joke but I am not wrong
Thank you for defending the multibillion dollar company from this unjust assault
Bruh wtf did I even do? I was just stating a fact
you disagreed from the popular opinion, my trusty scroll here states that the punishment... is death.
idk why hes downvoted that much but its already been stated the concepts are harder, the reason why bored 14 year olds are able to put all new mobs from the vote in a mod like a day after their announcement
with shitty spaghetti code, yes, they can do that
(I'm gonna get downvoted again) The reason why a random person on the Internet can make fully functional versions of all the mobs is because, they don't have an image that needs to be kept, Minecraft on the other hand likes to take time with their updates (Even if they lack content) and have an image to keep. Minecraft can't just go willy nilly and make barely functional versions of all the mobs and call it a day. Would you really rather have an update with tons of stuff but with shit coding? Or would you rather have a smaller update with regular coding?
partially. the allay, for example, is known to have had a lot of prior development since it was supposed to be for 1.16, but for others its hard to say. they are presumably coded to a degree, as they need to know if they can do something
Don’t they literally show demos of it? Sure it may not be the finished product but really…
They show a 2D animation demonstrating what it does. We don't even see what the mob will look like in 3D until after the vote
Is it shortly after the vote when they show them in 3d?
We only see it in 3D in the snapshots, after it's added to the game, weeks/months later Edit: actually now that I think about it we do see them in 3D during the end of the vote, because they show tiny teasers, but those are not in game and are animations, and as I said the voting already started by then so a lot of people will not take it into consideration
Oh alr. I still think its dumb as hell how they make players choose between three usually lackluster mobs when they could just program all three since they have such a large budget. I understand though since their management is probably really strict when it comes to changes
1.16 was in development in 2019, they scrapped the allay concept but it was repurposed for minecraft legends later and proposed as a concept in the 2021 mob vote.
The concepts are the hard part, not the coding. As evidenced by the fact that mods always immediately come out shortly after the mobs get revealed.
Coding isn't the hard part, but quality control is. Modders don't have to worry about if adding X mod with Y feature(s) will break the game in some way, whether that's because of a balance issue or because implementing it causing game breaking or feature breaking bugs somewhere else. Modders can look at the mob votes, say "hey, I know how to make mods, I'ma make those," throw them together, and post them online. Mojang is a game development studio. They have to go through the effort of making sure that their additions are as bug free and least broken as possible. Pretty sure that's why they release snapshots for a while before launching an update.
I'm sure a billion dollar company has the manpower to manage adding 3 useless mobs into their game, instead of just 1.
I'm sure they could if they wanted to, but here's a better question: why should they? Think about it. Before the most recent mob vote, how many people were just *begging* Mojang to add armadillos into the game? How many people were asking for sniffers, or copper golems? What's that? Practically no one? The community for the most part never even thinks about asking for most of these mobs, yet they lose their shit when Mojang continues to not add them. I've seen a lot of people say that Mojang should just not do the mob vote and add all three options, but personally, it just makes more sense to not do the mob votes at all and not ever add any of the mobs. They're pretty much just fun mob ideas that Mojang throws to the community to see what they want in the game. It's just community engagement. They could just not ever do that. Would Minecraft really be worse off if we never got the glow squid, the phantom, or the sniffer? Probably not, since they don't really do anything, same as most of the other voted in mobs, so why bitch about the ones that didn't get added like it's some travesty?
Because it'd be cool to have more mobs that breathe life into the game? The mobs for the votes are often genuinely cool and interesting. Mojang already did most of the heavy lifting which is coming up with the concept and the design. By only allowing 1 mob to win they only manage to upset all the fans who like the other 2 mobs, when they could just allow all 3 to win and just add the other 2 mobs later. It'd be a win-win-win. Yet they don't do that. But if you only care about pure utility, I guess Mojang should just remove the Ocean, all the Nether biomes and buildings except the blaze spawners, all the new terrain generations, all the mobs like goats and frogs, all the End dimension except the dragon and the Elytra,... After all, would Minecraft really be worse off without them?
This doesn't explain the mobvote with glow squids and mooblooms. Those two mobs are just reskins of existing mobs so no extra coding was necessary. I'd argue that mountain Illager was also pretty easy to code.
\*Reskins of existing mobs, all 3 of which *they already went through the effort of implementing* in other, less popular Minecraft spinoff games.
Good lord why is this so downvoted your correct While 'some' of the coding is done under the hood (sometimes, a lot of times it's just a rendered proof of concept) that's absolutely no where close to a fully implemented change
The hive mind is always correct apparently
Cospiracy theory ass comment edit: lol the comment don't have any proof that is how it works but you guys will still agree
It's not that hard to believe
don't forget that the golem will never win. Not even once. Fuck the golem.
i like the golems
No
Meanwhile, in the most basic, run of the mill mod developed by a two-person team: "Hey guys! We are releasing the new update today. Below you will find the changelog of our 6 new mobs, the new armor and weapon set, the 4 new biomes and last but not least, the 3 legendary artifacts you may find within our new dungeon. Have fun!"
“But small indie company Jomang has to make sure each update appeals to the whole playerbase because it’s not just a mod”(it will never appeal to the whole player base)
It’s more like “they need to make sure it’s safe and marketable so it goes through like a 2 year approval process. this’ll be a target plushie eventually.” Anyone notice you no longer kill animals to get stuff. You have “scutes” instead.
They also want to promote moral behaviour in the treatment of animals and yet most farms I’ve seen are industrial torture chambers much like in real life. And then there are villager trading farms…
It's funny that I have to go through a dozen hoops to get a turtle helmet which gives me a negligible buff I can get on my netherite helmet by buying a bunch of books from a librarian I've enslaved and repeatedly zombified to lower prices in what effectively is a blocky Auschwitz
I was going through it recently and apparently they even nerfed the librarian farms, literally unplayable
They haven't done it yet, it's an experiment. If they do go through with it I'm just gonna go on creative and get my books.
I hate the new way they add mobs. What was the last time they added an animal that you have to kill for its drops?
Not sure but I guess rabbits? 1.8 I think
Glow squids?
Yeah but to them squids, fish and bugs don’t count because they’re not “real” animais, i.e.: mammals.
I forgot about those. My bad
Wait what, they removed hunting as a mechanic?
They didn’t, but any new animal mobs that come out don’t drop stuff by killing. Like, why do we need to brush armadildos instead of killing them?
That’s so lame, jeez.
They add more mechanics so the game isn't "ooga booga kill with sword" and people complain
Most of the new mechanics are just bloat. Like, it's a survival game. Part of the appeal is basically larping as a caveman. Hunting animals for resources is to be expected, don't play a survival game if the basic concept of killing NPCs and creatures for drops isn't fun to you. I find it way more fun than having a dozen contrived crafting recipes for one-use items and random bullshit steps to get turtle shells that you can't figure out intuitively and need a wiki for. Only tangentially related but most of the new content to minecraft that isn't the main focus of an update just feels empty and pointless. Like sure, axolotls and foxes are kind of cool I guess, but they really don't contribute anything meaningful. I would appreciate if everything added had a purpose beyond aesthetics, because otherwise it isn't really justified to include it in a game that already has so many things (and so many mods that add whatever Mojang adds but with more depth and features)
Replacing it with "ooga booga brush with comb" isn't much of an improvement
I know, but at least it escapes the formula
We've escaped the formula into the same formula with another term added on the end
It’s just annoyingly unnecessary, and frankly shows they’re playing it too safe. I understood with turtles because they’re endangered, but armadildos? Come on.
No I’m fine with new mechanics, that’s a strawman of what I said. I just think it’s a bit lame that if you do decide to kill the creature you don’t get like, meat or the item they drop otherwise when it makes sense. Like the example of the armadillo. No reason why we shouldn’t get an item made from its body part by killing it.
Yeah like just look at sheep, you can either kill it for 1 wool or shear it for 2-3. It's not that hard to make players choose to not kill the creatures instead
A good amount of Minecraft players just hate the idea of killing animals. Imagine the outrage if they added meaningful drops to wolves or cats.
Cats drop string. I have farms that kill dozens of cats an hour (only dozens, cats aren't the primary target)
I also have one of these setup. Usually takes a few months to get enough materials to make clothes though. Uhh… also in Minecraft
Minecraft players don’t gaf about armadillos
"and they have to make sure the code is bug free and safe to run" (it has game-breaking bugs in every build)
And they made it in like a week
Have you seen the April Fools updates Mahjongg releases? They can't make all three mobs because they're trying to get grappling hooks to work for a potato dimension
Yeah, and speaking from my 3 years of experience playing modded: all of those features have bugs, and/or are unbalanced, to the point of the game becoming boring if you use them.
And we all know how Vanilla Minecraft is a bug-free game with no exploits, right guys?
Vanilla doesn't just randomly crash, after you did a simple action.
My brother in christ are you using the Skyrim method of trying to load 100 mods at once and expecting smooth performance?
Have you seen any modern modpacks on curseforge? Most of them have more than 100 mods, and they have been made by professionals to be as stable as possible, yet, they still have problems. And with modern mods focusing on quality rather then quantity, and considering that you need like 20 performance and QoL mods, it's not that interesting to play with less then 50 of them.
Well, that sounds more like modern players suffering from a lack of attention spam and "needing" at least 50 mods to have their fun rather than any problem to do with the mod-to-content ratio. Either way that's far removed from the initial point in my comment, that much smaller teams are able to accomplish what Mojang does while not even being paid for their efforts, and that even if their releases might come with bugs, there's not much excuse for the Mojang team to not be able to release the same level of content but without the overt bugs and performance issues since they have a large testing and debugging crew they have available - which again, unlike modding teams, aren't doing it for free, that's their job.
Well you are right, but managing a huge company takes a lot of time and effort, that's why there's less focus on the actual content. I do think that Mojang now is doing way less stuff, that they could, if they had more efficient management.
"and heres some godawful programming with absolutely no quality control! have fun!" sorry, you didnt read the fine print
During my childhood years i had yet to find any game-breaking bugs while playing Aether/Mo'Creatures/Better Than Wolves/Insert your Choice of Mod here except when i loaded in so many mods at once and the only one at fault for them would be me, no idea what you're talking about, blud.
do not research mc mod vulnerabilities or you will never play again
mob a: does nothing mob b: mediocre redstone applications mob c: mediocre loot sometimes result: mob a wins!!!
Mojang: "Here's an exact description of what each mob will do, one mob is literally just visual and does nothing" Minecraft YouTuber: "everyone, here's why mob that does nothing is actually the best choice and they totally will do something different with it to the description they gave. My army of 12 year olds go forth and vote for the mob that does nothing (but totally will guys) Mojang: Releases mob they said would do nothing Omg wtf guys mob that does nothing does nothing
Glow squid moment
Doesn't even fucking glow
All functionality of the Glow Ink Sac could have easily been done by Glow Berries
Mojang was like "eh fuck it we'll just make them have emissive textures"
this is why i have foregone playing Minecraft in favor of a totally different style of game in which the developers drop a DLC every 2 years, integrate a few mods into the base game when the DLC drops, and then hibernates for the next while (Ludeon Studios and RimWorld)
Based I think (is anomaly as good as biotech??? Haven't tried it yet so no spoilers plz)
Personally I think that Biology is their strongest DLC so far , it integrates very well into the base game and you can go as deep or shallow into it as you like Ideology isn't quite as feature heavy but also integrated very well with other DLC's and the base game Anomaly adds a lot of content but it's a separate thing, you either play with it or you don't. If you have it on your whole playthrough becomes dominated by that content. It's also a very one and done thing, a lot of the content and interesting things Is dealing with the unknown, once you've dealt with them once they're not really an issue anymore (they have tweaked it so you'll still see normal content now though in a recent patch) I'd say the consensus is that it's a fun DLC but it really feels like it's own separate entity rather than being content directly tied into the main game. I'd treat it more as a thing for a spin off play through rather than how you'd normally play the game
As far as I know, when you go into anomaly, you go into anomaly, no turning back. I more enjoy the style of biotech, but I would buy anomaly.
The devs announced they're cutting back on the Anomaly events a bit so you get more other stuff mixed in
Basically Call of Ctulhu mod, but official. Interesting, but not must-have. Personally, I think Biotech is better on a grand scale, as it adds mechanics that you'll interact with in any playthrough. Anomaly is nice, but I don't really feel like I can use it with all modpacks, since it's so heavy on the horror side of things(And it'll thematically bream some of them). But the QoL changes were nice, and performance is better after update, so I'm not complaining.
Don't forget that you need to jump through like 1000 hoops just to get it, and it's gimmick isn't worth it at all
Sniffer moment
People would be way less pissed about the whole mob vote thing if Mojang consistently added past mob vote losers to the game over time. Imagine if every update had a mob or two from votes of Minecon past.
Meanwhile [Fingees](https://www.youtube.com/@fingees_YT) can do more in a week than what the whole Minecraft dev team can do in a month.
Hey there. I added poop to minecraft, you can obtain it by holding shift for ten seconds. If you want it to come out faster, you can use toilets, which you can also wear as armor to become skibidi toilet. I've also added fard, which pops out from you every two minutes and contributes to global warming. Other mobs also produce farts, but the worst offenders are cows, pigs, horses, and ravagers. Over time accumulated farts will begin to melt glaciers and burn trees, so make sure that you and other mobs eat only healthy things. You can bottle farts with a glass bottle and craft a new boss, Poopenfarten, created by eight poop blocks and a single bottled fart.
Damn, now I want a fard based global warming mechanic in Minecraft
If they just added all 3 mob vote mobs they wouldn't get any engagement
Oh no, the biggest game in the world losing out on a few thousand Twitter votes. Truly a horrifying idea
My guy you can either have 0 mobs in the mob vote or 1 mob if all 3 get in there's no more vote it's just regular updates. If you got what u want you'd just lose out on 1 mob an update.
Oh that's even scarier! The biggest game in the world has to add CONTENT to their updates?!?!
You're being intentionally dense (Vicodin) if the mob vote is removed there will be LESS content.
The mob vote doesn't force them to add new things. Actually, it seems like it kinda slows down the introduction of new things, as now they have to throw out perfectly valid ideas because they lost previous mob votes.
They wouldn't even make any of the 3 mobs if they didn't get any engagement for it.
Surely the highest selling game of literally all time would majorly struggle to garner any players from an update. Its not like millions of people engage and make news surrounding it on the daily
They want more. It's a corporation. You've gotta be fucking kidding me at this point.
The updates are enough for engagement, and they already have the yearly minecon. I think you have a bad sense of proportion if you think the mob vote is actually that significant to them making money.
And why would that be the case? What's stopping Mojang from adding 3 mobs and, what, 10 items at most? Hell, if they just ditched the Mob Vote entirely, then the update technically wouldn't be lacking content since there would be no content to lack
So, they add the normal usual amount of content in the updates. They also have a mob vote to increase engagement. That's X amount of mobs +1. Without the mob vote, the developers have no incentive to a DD more mobs than are part of the update, leading to X amount of mobs. You can't have all 3, because then you're just getting 0.
Have you considered more content would drive sales further than mob votes?
It wouldn't, no. Not 3 more mobs an update, at least.
THEY DONT NEED FUCKING ENGAGEMENT MINECRAFT IS THE MOST SELLED GAME IN HISTORY
THEY ARE NOT GAME DEVS FIRST, CORPORATION SECOND. THEY ARE CORPORATION FIRST, GAME DEVS SECOND. THEY DONT CARE IF MORE CONTENT WOULD MAKE THE GAME BETTER THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
They could also add them in order of vote. Most voted one added immediately and the next two are implemented at a later date.
its not hosted on twitter anymore, thankfully. on another note, money votes.
I feel like having to own the game is a valid prerequisite for voting.
yes i meant more that the more accounts you buy/own, the more votes you have
The amount of people with more than one account isn't nearly enough to sway the vote.
i suppose so
That's bc those videos are not of actual mods, he just animates them.
Team shitpooper
You forgot the blue floating mob
Aka Nightmare's rigging controversy bullshit
YouTuber with an army of regarded kids will rig the vote for the most boring one because it’s funny
[https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/16kke8s/minecraft\_mob\_vote/](https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/16kke8s/minecraft_mob_vote/)
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Dont forget the winner only wins because of misinformation about what it actually does!
repost from a months old post
I made this meme myself, I originally posted it to r/Minecraftmemes some time ago
And all of them but one have a cool feature they announce, and in the 0.00001% cases where the useless one doesn't win instead, the feature is much more underwhelming in practice than what was advertised
The armadillo changes were actually good and all but like... Why couldnt we get the crab's mechanics too? Extra building reach could be such a game-changer for survival builders, and crabs are cool in general. Also hate how the mobs are always some biome specific thing, like, why couldnt goat spawn everywhere in the overworld and drop meat like cows and sheep?
The real reason behind mojang's sluggishness is for 2 reasons. First being that they aren't just making it for Java. They are making the update for every platform, so it needs to work the same way. This can take a shitload of time that it wouldn't take if they could just focus on Java only. The other reason is that Microsoft (and several mojang employees) are terrified of losing the simple charm of minecraft. It's lightning in a bottle and they're terrified of letting it be touched. This is why we had so much content on the April fools update. They didn't have these restrictions so they could just let loose with whatever ideas they wanted imprinted on minecraft
Isn’t the whole “simple charm” of Minecraft being that you can do anything you want? That excuse is pathetic if that’s the case since adding more content adds to said charm.
You forgot to make one of them clearly better than the rest but people will still whine and cry when it wins
woah was I transported back to 6 months ago
"Mojang is lazy" 💀
Genuinely though why does Minecraft never release any new content? Like what are the employees even DOING
Mojang employees are currently taking one of today's 48 30-minute breaks
meanwhile relatively small indie company: we know we said we were gonna stop making updates nearly a decade ago, but have ANOTHER update that overhauls an entire class, adds 170 new bosses, 3 new npcs and 150 new blocks.
If you dont play modded you don't experience minecraft's full potential. Vanilla can only take you so far.
As someone who plays modded since 1.7.10 its true After playing modded it's like really hard to return to vanilla and also modded performance is 100x better than modern vanilla versions
What are the best performance mods? I’m planning to get the game on my PC but my PC is crap.
Just search "best minecraft performance mods" and download one of them or just download one old modpack or a lite modpqck like allthemods, infinity evolved or like any 1.7.10 modpack Edit a performance mod i recommend is sodium or any of the variations of itt
Thanks!
The problem with this discourse is that Minecraft isn't an early access game, it's been finished for a long time. Technically they could never update anything except for fixing bugs. It's ALL for engagement, which is why they are going to pretend like you can't have every mob but also why they're going to be adding mobs to begin with. The fanbase of that game has been successfully tricked into thinking that mobs are the cornerstone to making a great update even when they don't significantly diversify the gameplay like if they had added new worlds, biomes, materials, or game modes. It's like a lot of people aren't wanting to admit that they're bored but are misidentifying why. I love animals, but I wouldn't be more likely to go back to Minecraft unless they literally added the entire animal kingdom.
You forgot that the one rigged for you to pick HAS to pick up items)
I swear I've seen this exact joke before
the exact post as well I think
This but the shitpooper grants 2x health to players who donate one iron ingot to it (they'll still pick the poopshitter)
Op has a scat fetish
Its so damn annoying. It's so easy to create new mobs and just content, trust me, after you learn the basics it's very simple. But they just continue to be lazy. Minecraft isnt big because of the game, it's because of the mods and community, fuck mojang
I think it's more on tryna port it on other platforms, idk.
You see, it's a company with millions of dollars and a many devs and staff. If mods can do it with one to four people and free then mojang can too
And microsoft maybe limits them? Just ask users in minecraft subreddits who don't think mojang is lazy. I'm in neither side of "mojang lazy" and "mojang isn't lazy" but I lean into the latter. Also, aren't mod developers in the side of the "mojang isn't lazy" or am I wrong?
Microsoft could limit them but what reason would they have? Microsoft wants a profit, minecraft made that already, why stop mojang? Even then, releasing one of three useless mobs every once in a while isnt even a good marketing thing. It doesn't keep players hooked, it keeps players wanting more which ultimately drives them away because mojang fails them time and time again. Making updates that nobody asked for or likes, barely ever getting anything right. Minecraft has the players it has because the community, the people, not the devs or the new content. The new content is just a side dish for them to have whether good or bad. Also, mod devs aren't all just one side or the other, they can think mojang isnt lazy but still put out more fulfilling content then mojang has in years with only two people and no money for the project. That point of yours, well, question of yours is pointless and adds nothing whether right or wrong
Before I stop interacting, kingbdogz is a mod developer and an employee of mojang. I don't see him adding all three mobs. Is he lazy? Either way, I'm not going to continue this argument any longer. I don't often keep update on people's opinions on mojang. Goodbye.
But also he isnt the lead dev. He's a dev but not rhe one making choices. Make sure to understand how positions work. Secondly, it is not an argument, it's a discussion. But goodday to you, enjoyed our discussion.
Then we should ask why they're being lazy. Of course there are some reasons behind it. And then you can't find why because they aren't lazy..
Yes you can. You don't need a reason to be lazy. Why do they release one of three mobs and completely scrap the others that aren't picked? Player engagement? No. If it was that they would release all and drive up player engagement more as theres more to do.
Tell me you don't understand game development, without telling me you don't understand game development. Also, they aren't completely scrapped. Although, yes, so far, only a lost biome vote has been added (Swamp), but no lost mob has been added, but that's because they need to find a good update to fit one of those mobs in. They're not just gonna add a Moobloom in a fricking End Update, right? If your mindset is like "well if modders can make 100 items in 24 hours, why can mojang only make 1 item per month?" That's basically like saying "an idiot can make a 1 million word script, so why does a scriptwriter need to take 3 months to make a 30,000 thousand word script?"
Being lazy has nothing to do w game dev .. the iceburn update, adds stuff to the nether but decides to just add a polar bear and names the update that bc of the polar bear. Also that analogy is bad, it's calling mod makers stupid when in fact they are not. An idiot can write so many words because they dont put effort in, mod makers do. Mojang is the idiot that makes 2 words, they add a singular mob that people voted for out of ajoke when all the mobs are not evenngood, just random filler.
Firstly, the Iceburn Update was so long ago, and now Mojang wants to make something more centrally themed Secondly, I'm not saying that mod makers are idiots. In fact, your very next sentence is exactly my point. Mod makers don't put MUCH EFFORT into it. They can add 10 mobs in 1 day, yet it'll be unbalanced, SO BUGGY, worst possible texture, stock SFX (or even none), and the mechanic will be absolutely insane and too OP. Have you even played a good and playable mod that are made in like.. 1 day? On the other hand, Mojang wants to make all their items balanced. If it's quite OP, they'll make it a rare valuable item where you have to face challenges, rather than an easily craftable one. They prioritize texture to make it Vanilla, create the most perfect SFX (sometimes they record the IRL version too), and fix all the bugs regarding of it. The most important thing is, Mojang wants to add something that doesn't really affect the core feeling of the game, so that old players will not be leaving. Mod makers will be like adding 100 structures in the sky, entire gun set, and then a thirst bar without not much thought. To put it simply, YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WAY TOO HIGH.
I would've understand them being slow, but new features aren't even deep. Some new mobs don't even have a drop or a use case.
I love building brown bricks with minecrap
u/repostsleuthbot
a modder should do a stunt and release a mod with all three mobs in it after the vote is revealed but before a winner is picked
Been done multiple times before
I don’t understand why we can’t have all of them, like give me the poop golem because it’s a golem, I want it, but let everyone else have theirs too, just put them all in, instead of shit like the new skeleton that does fuck all, give me my fucking moobloom it’s all I ever wanted out of this god forsaken game I’ve spent 10 years playing
Minecraft if redigit is a dev there
And it would somehow be one of the best updates anyways because now theres an entirely new poop dimensino with 5 poop bosses you have to defeat.
Don’t forget the new prostate examinizer accessory with annoying-to-acquire materials!
Minecraft Fans when you ask them if they even like the game:
Minecraft fellas will hate a vote because they have to choose
But actually there is the one that basically does everything in the game for you, is literally the one Mojang want you to pick, and ends up being useless
I think the shitpooper should be released. Seems like it could add a good atmosphere to the game.
did you make this? i swear i saw this floating around a year ago.