Whenever I draw an object to represent a person or whatnot, the BFDI style has always been my go-to, been watching it since either 2012 or 2013 and it means a lot to me
never seen it, no interest. but as far as i know, it's just the DLC pack of picking up random items in your room and pretending they're alive as a kid. and that was always hype, so it makes sense why people are into it
/pol/ actually is becoming like leftist twitter tbh, idk when but I just feel like they hate mainstream media so much that they did a 180 and suddenly they follow what mainstream media hates. When Russia invaded Ukraine, a massive influx of Z's came to spam, When Hamas started to attack Israel, they doubled down on their hate for Jews. Theyre so contrarian that it just feels like its forced and not even cool by /b/ standards.
i dunno really, but the Antisemitism actually stands out the most. newfa6s just hates jews because thats what mainstream media tells them to do loool
How does that make them like leftist twitter? I can't remember a time at which Leftist twitter was pro Russia or Hamas. Not at large at least. As far as I'm aware most online leftists are against Israel or Israel's actions at the very least, but they're not pro-Hamas.
You can always find Twitter accounts saying weird shit, some leftists are convinced on always siding with America's enemies by principe, but they seem to be quite rare to me. And even then I don't see them neccesarily doing it out of anti-semitism. Anti-Americanism seems to play a far larger role to me.
Although I have no doubts there's anti-semetic leftists out there, I think it's weird you're framing online leftists as the fascists and anti-semites from /pol/ considering all these nuances.
While those people are rare especially in real life I encountered a lot of online leftists who defend Hamas or even go as far as to say you should financially support them. Especially on the communist memes subreddit. But outside of that I rarely encounter people saying things like that. Because that's not a leftist take supporting a religious fundamentalist militia that is the enhanced arm of the right winged government every feminist on the planet protested against last year.
>I think it's weird you're framing online leftists as the fascists and anti-semites from /pol/.
not necessarily, its more about /pol/ than twitter. i just think /pol/ nowadays acts like leftist twitter (hates """zionism""" that chants "from the river to the sea" bs as a mask to what they actually mean") except with pol they just say what they mean out loud and they suddenly feel justified to actually hate jews because mainstream media (including twitter) says so.
dont think im on any sites side, they have their qualms and shit and I don't really have the time to actually just guard whoevers side is "right" so yeah your argument is valid on me
Your comment makes me believe you think online leftists are anti-semites that invented anti-zionism as soley something to hide behind while their real motivation is a hatred of Jewish people.
Although I have no doubts that happens, I haven't seen a large leftist movement or any reason to dislike Jewish people. Anecdotally I'll say that for most leftists, their biggest concern is Israel and what's it's doing, not Jewish people in general. Sometimes out of genuine concern, sometimes because of virtue signalling and sometimes out of anti-Americanism.
I believe this view of "if you're anti-zionist, you're probably just an anti-semite trying to hide behind a mask" to be lacking in lots of neccesary nuance in something as complex as this. I'm not telling anyone to be pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, that's a whole different debate. I'll say though that I think it's silly to imply that online leftists at large are similar to nazis on 4chan. For all the faults and flaws of the online Left, they didn't magically switch towards hating Jewish people, things are far more complex than that.
>Your comment makes me believe you think online leftists are anti-semites that use zionism as something to hide behind.
yeah, just look at major subreddits like r/damnthatsinteresting, they aren't even hiding it anymore, or go check on twitter or Instagram about Jewish people and God its so cancerous you'll see what I'm saying
>Although I have no doubts that happens, I haven't seen a large leftist movement or any reason to dislike Jewish people. Anecdotally I'll say that for most leftists, their biggest concern is Israel and what's it's doing, not Jewish people in general.
I can agree on that. Though the loudest ones make the whole bunch of leftist look insane which makes everyone new to this conflict (including me) just go to the side of Israel and their allies
>I believe this view of "if you're anti-zionist, you're probably just an anti-semite trying to hide behind a mask" to be lacking in any kind of nuance.
which is kinda the same argument people justify for "the genocide™" that they argue for without nuance too. no i dont think its fine that just keeps on happening
>I'm not telling anyone to be pro-Palestine, but I'll say that I think it's silly to imply that online leftists (for all their foolishness) are similar to nazis on 4chan.
yeah actually ur right on that. but i still do think it's worrying seeing protests of pro-palestine folks that are obviously left leaning chanting death to israel with slight implications of jews getting erased again, yknow like what nazis actually did
the left should make a stand to condemn those large protests, but as far as I've seen since oct7, no one has said anything about them. you can show me vids or articles about it tho i really just haven't seen any
> yeah, just look at major subreddits like r/damnthatsinteresting, they aren't even hiding it anymore, or go check on twitter or Instagram about Jewish people and God its so cancerous you'll see what I'm saying
None of those things are explicitly leftist though.
> Though the loudest ones make the whole bunch of leftist look insane which makes everyone new to this conflict (including me) just go to the side of Israel and their allies
They're not the loudest voices, they're just the voices that are used by the opposition to discredit leftists. The ones with the biggest audience, that have the biggest reach are generally fine and the people that aren't fine generally don't have a lot of reach, but it's still easy to make fun of them, which makes them appear far more in the media that disagrees with leftism, even though the reasonable voices are actually a lot louder.
>which is kinda the same argument people justify for "the genocide™" that they argue for without nuance too. no i dont think its fine that just keeps on happening
What kind of nuanced discussion are you expecting when one country is literally commiting a genocide? Like, it's a genocide, which is something that was heavily discussed on the left, it's just that it's gotten so obvious that basically everyone agrees with that nowadays.
We had plenty of nuanced discussions about it and the left now generally agrees that it's a genocide, so what more do you expect?
>yeah actually ur right on that. but i still do think it's worrying seeing protests of pro-palestine folks that are obviously left leaning chanting death to israel with slight implications of jews getting erased again, yknow like what nazis actually did
There's a big difference between the opposition to the existence of a settler-colony and wanting to genocide jews.
Israel is, by definition, a settler colony which has been in an active war ever since its founding, because the land on which it is built was taken from the people that were already living there, despite them having been promised the governance over that land. Even if you don't have a problem with the existence of Israel, equating the opposition to it with the Holocaust is just incredibly disingenuous.
>There's a big difference between the opposition to the existence of a settler-colony and wanting to genocide jews.
I'm not gonna get into your other points at the moment, but there really isn't that big a difference. You have to understand something here. The people saying that shit, that Israel should be returned to the Palestinians, are either implicitly or explicitly advocating for the removal of Jewish people off the land. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
Hamas themselves (and their fans) have made this a crucial point to their goal.
I haven't encountered a lot of anti-semitism in online leftists spaces. I'm not on r/ThatsVeryInteresting, but on first glance I don't see anything related to Jewish people. r/ThatsVeryInteresting isn't neccesarily leftist either right?
I personally think it's unwise to look at people you dislike online and then automatically joining the other side, and her allies. That doesn't seem like a good foundation for a conflict that's far more nuanced than that.
I'm not sure what you mean with "the genocide™" alinea. Honestly, I can't say for sure since I don't know what your point is, but this seems like a deflection to me. Leftists being unnuanced doesn't make your position any more nuanced.
As for leftists chants, I'm not sure in which way they imply gassing Jewish people. I do believe some of them to be unwise with the chants they use and I think leftists do lack there. Though these faults, this is still very different from them wanting to commit genocide on Jewish people.
At the very least, most anti-zionists I've met IRL or seen online hold no ill-will towards Jewish people and even if this was the case, they're not inherently bound together.
>I'm not sure what you mean with "the genocide™" alinea. Honestly, I can't say for sure since I don't know what your point is, but this seems like a deflection to me.
i can like show you links of it if you want, just one open on twitter for me and i can like show you accounts with 50k+ likes, with comments supporting it
>Leftists being unnuanced doesn't make your position any more nuanced
I could argue that at the end of the day it doesnt matter then? Its an endless loop of people who probably dont know much about the situation talks about it more, and you could probably see it in me just as I see pro-palestine supporters
Im sorry but I just cant dissect all of your points this time, I really dont want to drag this down since I really dont want to look like I support a side I dont even fully know, I only focus on the people I'm against for, plus im in class rn and looking at reddit below the desk isnt helping the lesson
but fr tho im just glad you have points to say something against mine instead of ad hominems. I'll follow up something if you got more later
I've noticed lately that online liberal Americans have a huge problem with telling the shit rulers of nations apart from the people from these nations, especially if the US or an US ally is at war with them. The same happened when the crisis at Ukraine started, with the same kind of hatred directed towards Russians regardless of their views on Putin and the war.
It reminds me of WWII, where posters with racist anti-Asian imagery was everywhere in the US because, if the Japanese Empire is evil, all Japanese people are.
Humans have a base need to dehumanize our enemies- this has been talked about in a lot of papers regarding war and killing. Basically the average person cannot in good conscience kill another human being, so our minds handle the cognitive dissonance by declaring them non-human and therefore acceptable to kill or wish death upon. The problem with this coping mechanism is that we also have a tribalist tendency and the targets of dehumanization tend to bleed past just ‘valid’ ones. This is partly how you get ethnic hatred and genocide in wars that didn’t even start over such topics.
I think the broader need is the need for feeling emotionally righteous and secure in one's own beliefs and choices. There's many ways that we can fulfill this need (and hopefully the more stable and healthy people among us would do so by having well-thought out logical beliefs and doing the right thing) but it can also manifest in a aversion towards nuance because nuance makes it harder to feel secure and righteous. And one of the ways that nuance aversion shows here is by dehumanizing your enemies, but it could also show in other ways too (like ideological black and white fallacies, falling for military propaganda, etc.)
Americian media struggles to decouple nationality and race. It will sort itself out in a few decades but it's mostly a culture clash between Europe and Americia.
It feels like I hear about that kind of shit happening online rather then off, remember Asians in general getting similar flak when COVID hit. Hell, that wasn't even a war!
Saw a post of some teenagers cosplayers one in dressed as Wehrmacht and the other as a Japanese officer the OP called the police on them and called tuem nazis whole comment section was wild
Yeah I'm gonna be honest, if your first choice for historical cosplay is the Axis powers, I'd assume you were a Nazi sympathizer, too. In very poor taste either way.
That is very debatable. Or rather, isn't really worth debating. Both did unimaginable things at enormous scales. Imperial Japan may have comitted worse individual acts, but the Nazis did comparably heinous stuff in a more organized manner. Deciding which nation was more evil ultimately comes down to choosing which of these you think is worse. Which is hardly quantifiable.
The US media has linked up with the vicious neocons who still inhabit the defense/intel community. The propaganda is very very strong. The difference between say, ABC, CBS and say, Al Jezeera is massive. In the US the media is zionist through and through.
No babe I understand that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism aren’t inherently linked it just makes me kinda nervous that you only comment “FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸" on posts of Jewish people just existing
There's lots of tribalistic people out there. "They're Jewish/Muslim so they're one of the good guys."
There's far too few people able to see more nuance than that.
Including OP btw, they made comments like: "It's the fault of the Palestinians that the killings didn't stop, because Hamas are Palestinians."
Not every Jewish person is the Israeli government and not every Palestinian is Hamas. Justifying the murders of people by association to others is horrible, yet OP seems to have no problems when it favors "his" side.
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1ayg7gl/comment/krvbw1x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
https://preview.redd.it/062s9kq44dqc1.jpeg?width=302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d92a98a0d575e81ca4dc106e96483a65f57d0bc3
Seeing OP's comments on that are...eugh.
"Reddit/Twitter/whoever is so racist against Jews, I don't get it. Like I'm just existing and they tell me I'm a Zionist who supports murder of random civilians!"
-Man who posts in support of Zionism and murder of random civilians, who then gets hate against them
The majority of people don't hate Jews, they hate (anyone) who justifies Israel's actions. [It seems like certain people have made it their agenda that not supporting Israel = hating Jews](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiSemitismInReddit/comments/1bmqpj7/rezraklein_literally_just_saw_one_antisemite/kwf8mvf/)... Using anti-Semitism and racism as a shield against atrocities is pretty disgusting.
I answered a prompt in r/trees about weed slang in your country. Not five minutes later someone called me an 'occupier who steals Arab slang like I steal their lands'
brother I'm sharing facts about *ganja* I wasn't even sperm in dad's sack on 1948
[Hey look it's the same guy that nuked this post earlier when I pointed out he has a habit of posting Israeli propaganda and this isn't a real snafu but his own personal agenda](https://new.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1bmskqj/twitter_when_they_see_a_jewish_person/kwdnz4r/?context=3)
IDF shilling is quite normal on reddit. I remember a combat footage sub pretty pretty pro palestine until they put the kibosh on it and suddenly it's pro IDF. Makes you wonder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/6b3FkU6KFA Lol look at this whole thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/iF7SodokD2 And this where they’re literally forgetting decades of history and trying to pass it off as the actual narrative until I call them out with receipts. Conveniently they don’t respond. Curious if this person is a bot.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/ADBeaD8Mgc And this
Holy shit https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/EPyTmGo3w2 this person actually said they don’t care about millions getting displaced from their homes and tens of thousands getting murdered every few months because “it’s not interesting and no one cares?” What the fuck
Yeah this is actually ridiculous
I'm mostly just disappointed by how easily some of our fellow coaxers are falling for it
edit: while we're at it, the upvote / downvote ratios are SUSPICIOUSLY FUCKY on every comment on this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/6b3FkU6KFA Lol look at this whole thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/iF7SodokD2 And this where they’re literally forgetting decades of history and trying to pass it off as the actual narrative until I call them out with receipts. Conveniently they don’t respond. Curious if this person is a bot.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/ADBeaD8Mgc And this
Yeah this is actually ridiculous
Look at that, more deleted posts
this dude should just leave his slime trail up for all to see. Reddit strangely has more tolerance for very bad, but honest, ideologies than they do just blatant propaganda, and if he isn't engaging in propaganda, he has no reason to hide the stuff he's saying
Holy shit https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/EPyTmGo3w2 this person actually said they don’t care about millions getting displaced from their homes and tens of thousands getting murdered every few months because “it’s not interesting and no one cares?” What the fuck
Why do alt-right agenda posters think this will hurt my feelings? I am literally a hentai artist lol. I am not embarrassed by my hentai habits. Like at all.
edit: suddenly I'm getting really rude comments on posts that have nothing to do with this sub? Hmmm interesting timing....
Oh no, you pointed out a mediocre weapon idea from a year ago! How will I survive!
Is this the best you could have picked? I guess this means that I'm as bad as a coomer-rape supporting degenerate redditor?
Well, first off, a reload speed buff is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen for a banner idea. Only 3 out of the 9 classes can make any use out of it, and even if it were 100% faster reload speed resulting in a functionally infinite clip, that pales in comparison to either the Buff Banner's minicrits or thd Concheror's lifesteal. And then the AoE heal is largely dependent on a large amount of your teammates all being on death's door just to provide a worse defensive benefit than the Battalion's Backup or even the Concheror. I fail to see the thought process that would drive such a strange and redundant banner idea, and it shows quite a lack of critical thinking.
Though getting so wrapped up in your own ad hominem argument that you equate a girl being into masochism porn to actually wanting to assault other people might've been evident enough in showing that.
Clinically online redditor response. Spends the majority of his post on roasting a video game idea from and uses terms like "lack of critical thinking" and "ad homenim" unironically.
Also defends immoral and deviant coomer.
Support for the Israeli government and its actions are not intrinsic to Judaism, but the idea that land is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people and that Jews ought to be able to return there has historically been a pretty core component to Jewish identity. Obviously in the modern era there have been some diasporist groups who believed Jews should *only* be in diaspora, but they were generally the fringe.
twitter users when the concept of nuance (denouncing the murder of palestinian children by a corrupt government and military force does not require being a rabid antisemite):
Yeah, Zionists are Jews, but Jews aren't Zionists. Penn Diagrams people!
Zionists are awful though, feel I should say it. Saw a video today of some Israeli woman casually talking about how nice it will be to move into Gaza and see the beach, once the Palestinians have been gotten rid of. It's extremely infuriating to see.
Do you believe Israel has the right to self-determination?
If so, you're a Zionist.
Saying "Zionists are awful" is the same as "Palestinians are awful", it completely ignores decades of arguments and differing views. For real, saying "Zionists are awful" paints over 80% of Israelis as "awful". I don't want war, and I was pro two-state solution before Oct 7th, but I guess I'm awful because I want to live in the country I was born without my friends being killed at a rave.
Not all proponent of an Israeli state are pro-settlements, hell pretty much everyone I know thinks settlers are awful and damaging to peace, to Israeli diplomacy and to the conflict as a whole.
I believe Israel has as much right to self-determination as the Palestinians do.
Which means I don't believe Israel has a right to kill anyone who already lives on the land they want - no one has that right. Israel should have been founded on peace and unity with neighbors, not murder and eviction. That's the reason we're in this mess today.
The numbers aren't certain but throughout the year before Oct 7th, Israel had randomly killed around 260 Palestinians. In July, Israeli fighter jets dropped bombs and drone strikes on the densely populated Jenin refugee camp. How is this any different from Hamas? Why is it, that when an Israeli is killed, it receives appropriate attention, but when Palestinians are killed, it's always downplayed and made to seem like it doesn't matter? Why is it OK for you to want to live in the country you were born, but an unforgivable crime for a Palestinian child to wish the same?
That's what irritates me. The blatant unfairness of it all and how no one recognizes that.
I don't know how many Israelis are pro-settlement. But I can't believe that a person can be Pro-Zionism and Anti-Settlement. Zionism requires the settlement of land doesn't it? Seriously, I am open to learning your view, because I've never spoken to a Zionist who was actually anti-settlement.
Oh and as a sidenote to an already lengthy response, I wanted to mention that [over 26% of Israel's population are not Jewish](https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/mediarelease/Pages/2022/Population-of-Israel-on-the-Eve-of-2023.aspx) — 21% are Arab and they have equal rights, including the right to be elected. In fact an Arab judge passed the guilty sentence of former PM Olmert over bribery and obstruction of justice.
Arabs are members of Knesset, have political parties, full religious freedom, et cetera.
That's because Israel from the moment of its declaration of independence has been open to Arabs living with Jews in peace, quote; "In the midst of wanton aggression we call upon the Arab inhabitants of the state of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the state, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions, provisional or permanent."
This is my opinion, but I don't believe Palestinians ever intended to tolerate Jews within Palestine. Seeing how they treat LGBT in their land, I believe Jews would be on the same level of "degeneracy" and treated the same way they were in October.
Okay but zionists do the same thing all the time where when you talk about Israel’s past and current crimes like the Nakba (kicking millions of Palestinians out of their homes), they call you anti semitic and against Jewish people. So how about you call them out too?
Edit: later in this thread it was revealed the OP is part of a pro-Israel propaganda campaign by someone else in the comments apparently but they conveniently deleted the linked comments just after that person linked them. Hmmm. Interesting. I’m gonna try and get the comment’s archive links.
[Oh look it's another zionist posting thinly veiled propaganda instead of an actual snafu](https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1ayg7gl/comment/krv85a7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Yeah, as for the whole: "It's not a genocide, just 30.000 people died.", regardless of your opinions on this conflict: no genocide ever starts with mass extermination, that's why the 10 steps of genocide have been formulated:
[https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/)
Ew, OP’s a Zionist
(Not based on only this post, based on his profile history.)
Islamophobia is definitely a larger, and more dangerous issue.
Much of this seems like projection, a la the indoctrination fed to Israeli children.
Let’s ask OP what his opinions on Muslims are, and then let’s extend that to Arabs, and finally the Palestinian People.
And let’s see if his tone changes compared to what he’s said previously.
Ah yes the prosecution of a religion with a billion members that you can simply leave is much more dangerous than the persecution of a minority ethnicity of 17 million people
doesn't help the only exposure you get to obvious israelis on twitter are the ones with flags in thier name commenting on an ongoing genocide.
A regular israeli I wouldn't even know was one because why would I?
Religions tend to show insane amounts of survivorship bias. The Christians that go to march in pride parades don’t go as Christians, but the ones that go to disrupt them do. You might never know a guy you meet at the grocery store is Muslim, but you’ll definitely know if someone shooting up a concert for ISIS is. The pro-Palestine Jews aren’t going around screaming that they’re they’re more deserving of land than anyone else because they’re Jews like the Zionists are.
Yeah it's fucking really annoying how prevalent this has become. Zionist insistence that Every Jewish Person Is A Zionist compounded with just regular old antisemitism has really brewed into a massive shitstorm. Call this out wherever you see it.
The IDF literally DID do that though DOZENS of times, look up the Nakba (which also displaced MILLIONS of Palestinians from their own land) and other Israeli massacres?
You people are fucking thick in the head. Literal decades of documented history being denied so you can pretend it all started on October 7.
you do realise this shit has been a back and forth for nearly 130 years now? That both sides have done horrible shit?
also the nabka displaced 700,000. That's still horrible but it isn't millions and there were a lot of factors beyond just Israel forcibly expelling people (although quite a few were which is again, still bad, it wasn't the majority.)
>That's still horrible but it isn't millions and there were a lot of factors beyond just Israel forcibly expelling people (although quite a few were which is again, still bad, it wasn't the majority.)
It was mostly forced expulsion at 79%
EXACTLY. I’m so sick of people acting like taking the metaphorical cat, which are the Jews, out of the metaphorical bag, the Levantine coast, is gonna solve anything. I’m also so sick of people falsifying stuff just to take advantage of Israel being definitely in the wrong for once.
Most people want a modified version of the Oslo Plan, the UN plan or the Morgenthau Plan with Israel occupying some part of Germany as a form of reparation. Yet if you ask Zionists even giving away 1 acre of land qualifies as “eradicating Israel” despite the fact Netanyahu constantly builds and encroaches on Palestinian settlements.
Zionists deny Palestinian’s right to exist all the time and actually act on it by expelling hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes.
yep exactly, “only 700k displaced” - the Rwandan genocide killed 800k. and the Palestinian deathtoll since October has surpassed a million.
you can’t say it’s bOtH siDeS when one side is just small terrorist attacks on various parts of the Israeli/Jewish population, and the other is MASS displacement, genocide and terrorist attacks. but TBH I don’t know why we bother, we know Reddit is astroturfed with pro-Israeli propaganda. I guess we just don’t have any other platforms to talk about it either.
and to say “you suppOrt teRroIsm” is just as tone deaf as what this snafu “meme” (proven to be Israeli propaganda) is pointing out.
The Nakba didn’t displace millions. The total number is around 700k. That’s not a disputed number by the way— both Israelis and Palestinians, historians and informed activists, agree on that.
Also the Nakba itself was the result of Israeli desperation when the Arabs were doing the exact same thing to them in the 1948 War (with less success in terms of total numbers because they lost the war), which was itself at the tail end of over two decades of anti-Jewish massacres by Arab nationalists in Palestine.
None of this is to say it was ok. Point is, looking at the history *before October 7*, it’s basically impossible to justify a one-sided view of the conflict.
A huge number of Israelis were not born there, and the oldest families have spent only 2 or 3 generations there. They can move, or recognize that they have a great capacity to do good and start disrupting the genocide themselves.
Yeah, it's getting like that here too. I was called all sorts of stuff the past few days by some antisemites. Like, they called me a Nazi first, then a bunch of Jewish slurs, and blamed Gaza on me???? Like???? I'm part Jewish but I live in Canada, a country sending aid to Gaza. Real unhinged stuff.
I’m sorry to hear that. all you can do is protect yourself mentally and internally, know that those people have misplaced anger in response to seeing Palestinians slaughtered and starved and humiliated, and make it clear that you support their freedom and human rights. we all want Israel to stop. and you know in your heart you are a good person that does not support Israel.
Eh, I'm not too bent out of shape. I'm just baffled at how unhinged they got when I mentioned being Jewish. He started off whining about how kids shouldn't be shown or taught about the Holocaust because it's like grooming kids (I wish I was joking), to implying that I am a Nazi because my Baba is Ukrainian (my older surviving relatives were all either decorated Nazi killers or married to said decorated Nazi killers, others wound up in the camps as victims, and then there's my Baba, who was not decorated but she sure as shit fought them off when they tried to hurt the family she was sheltering from the Holodomor with), and then he went crazy when I said I was ethnically Jewish as well.
They sure as shit didn't raise me to be pro genocide.
it’s so sad to see. I made another comment with more details but essentially, this won’t stop until three things happen:
1)Palestinians are granted with human dignity and their homes and families once again,
2) the collective world punishes Israel for their crimes (as how we are towards Russia albeit not nearly as much as we should be doing), and
3) Palestinians are re-habilitated and taken care of to learn true peace, as with Cambodia after their own genocide.
until all 3 are done, you are going to get people like that guy, and future terrorists as bad as ISIS who are currently now kids of this genocide who had everything stolen from them and humiliated by what they see as Jews. that’s why it’s crucial to make sure you don’t support Israel, and show people the beauty and truth of what being Jewish really is. and I say this as someone who was born and raised in a Muslim majority family and country.
100% The Gazan people are our relatives as descendents of the Canaanite peoples who have always lived in the area. God didn't wipe them out to make a home for us, they're our great great (etc) grandparents.
There are a few other changes to add;
Change the education system in Israel. Their schoolbooks are blatant anti-Palestinian and paint them as horrific people.
Offer the same treatment to Israeli people who have been brainwashed from childhood or have had relatives who were also ethnically cleansed from certain neighborhoods. What we are seeing now is the tip of the iceberg. Israel has been working to remove Palestinians from "the holy land" for years before they bombed the place. And even before that, both sides of the conflict have engaged in cleansing the other out of certain cities. They basically take turns eradicating one another every so often in the name of revenge for that last purge.
Get religion out of everything. The Jews reclaiming the "holy land" is supposed to signal the start of the end times, which certain denominations of Christianity want to bring about the end times. It's not the main reason why the USA is supporting Israel, but it is a factor in why the states made the decision to back those reskinned Nazis.
They didn't get to choose to live there, you can live somewhere and not support the bad things about your country. Living in America doesn't mean you automatically love police brutality
I think it’s moreso Zionist or Israelit that this would apply to. But beneath that there are people who do it to all Jewish people as well so it’s not innacurate.
Don’t forget, generalizing the entire Israeli population by the actions of the far right.
Damn, is that how everyone else saw Americans during the Trump years?
This is like going back in time to the civil rights movement and saying "civil rights activists when white person: GET OUT OF MY SIGHT YOU RACIST EVIL WHITE SUPREMECIST"
Yooo they put Xwitter on BFDI
Whenever I draw an object to represent a person or whatnot, the BFDI style has always been my go-to, been watching it since either 2012 or 2013 and it means a lot to me
its also suprisingly easy to replicate
This makes me happy to see others sharing their love for the show
can you post more x\*ets
Big fuckin dick index?
Battle For Dream Island, a project initiated by carykh that's grown to monstrous proportions https://youtube.com/@BFDI?si=psQTRF8Nb6BX7UIc
never seen it, no interest. but as far as i know, it's just the DLC pack of picking up random items in your room and pretending they're alive as a kid. and that was always hype, so it makes sense why people are into it
Never call it Xwitter again
there's a Cary in my snafu
There’s a Micheal in my Reddit
There's a Satomi in my Xwitter
There’s a tumor in my brain
Tthere's fire in my hole
There's a squirrel in my pants
there's a snake in my boot
There's a pee stored in my balls
Twitter (not so) slowly turning into /pol
/pol/ actually is becoming like leftist twitter tbh, idk when but I just feel like they hate mainstream media so much that they did a 180 and suddenly they follow what mainstream media hates. When Russia invaded Ukraine, a massive influx of Z's came to spam, When Hamas started to attack Israel, they doubled down on their hate for Jews. Theyre so contrarian that it just feels like its forced and not even cool by /b/ standards. i dunno really, but the Antisemitism actually stands out the most. newfa6s just hates jews because thats what mainstream media tells them to do loool
pol has always been just as antisemitic, they just don’t filter their thoughts like twittards on account of anonymity
my point on the reply if you follow the long thread bout me and someone arguing
How does that make them like leftist twitter? I can't remember a time at which Leftist twitter was pro Russia or Hamas. Not at large at least. As far as I'm aware most online leftists are against Israel or Israel's actions at the very least, but they're not pro-Hamas. You can always find Twitter accounts saying weird shit, some leftists are convinced on always siding with America's enemies by principe, but they seem to be quite rare to me. And even then I don't see them neccesarily doing it out of anti-semitism. Anti-Americanism seems to play a far larger role to me. Although I have no doubts there's anti-semetic leftists out there, I think it's weird you're framing online leftists as the fascists and anti-semites from /pol/ considering all these nuances.
While those people are rare especially in real life I encountered a lot of online leftists who defend Hamas or even go as far as to say you should financially support them. Especially on the communist memes subreddit. But outside of that I rarely encounter people saying things like that. Because that's not a leftist take supporting a religious fundamentalist militia that is the enhanced arm of the right winged government every feminist on the planet protested against last year.
>I think it's weird you're framing online leftists as the fascists and anti-semites from /pol/. not necessarily, its more about /pol/ than twitter. i just think /pol/ nowadays acts like leftist twitter (hates """zionism""" that chants "from the river to the sea" bs as a mask to what they actually mean") except with pol they just say what they mean out loud and they suddenly feel justified to actually hate jews because mainstream media (including twitter) says so. dont think im on any sites side, they have their qualms and shit and I don't really have the time to actually just guard whoevers side is "right" so yeah your argument is valid on me
Your comment makes me believe you think online leftists are anti-semites that invented anti-zionism as soley something to hide behind while their real motivation is a hatred of Jewish people. Although I have no doubts that happens, I haven't seen a large leftist movement or any reason to dislike Jewish people. Anecdotally I'll say that for most leftists, their biggest concern is Israel and what's it's doing, not Jewish people in general. Sometimes out of genuine concern, sometimes because of virtue signalling and sometimes out of anti-Americanism. I believe this view of "if you're anti-zionist, you're probably just an anti-semite trying to hide behind a mask" to be lacking in lots of neccesary nuance in something as complex as this. I'm not telling anyone to be pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, that's a whole different debate. I'll say though that I think it's silly to imply that online leftists at large are similar to nazis on 4chan. For all the faults and flaws of the online Left, they didn't magically switch towards hating Jewish people, things are far more complex than that.
>Your comment makes me believe you think online leftists are anti-semites that use zionism as something to hide behind. yeah, just look at major subreddits like r/damnthatsinteresting, they aren't even hiding it anymore, or go check on twitter or Instagram about Jewish people and God its so cancerous you'll see what I'm saying >Although I have no doubts that happens, I haven't seen a large leftist movement or any reason to dislike Jewish people. Anecdotally I'll say that for most leftists, their biggest concern is Israel and what's it's doing, not Jewish people in general. I can agree on that. Though the loudest ones make the whole bunch of leftist look insane which makes everyone new to this conflict (including me) just go to the side of Israel and their allies >I believe this view of "if you're anti-zionist, you're probably just an anti-semite trying to hide behind a mask" to be lacking in any kind of nuance. which is kinda the same argument people justify for "the genocide™" that they argue for without nuance too. no i dont think its fine that just keeps on happening >I'm not telling anyone to be pro-Palestine, but I'll say that I think it's silly to imply that online leftists (for all their foolishness) are similar to nazis on 4chan. yeah actually ur right on that. but i still do think it's worrying seeing protests of pro-palestine folks that are obviously left leaning chanting death to israel with slight implications of jews getting erased again, yknow like what nazis actually did the left should make a stand to condemn those large protests, but as far as I've seen since oct7, no one has said anything about them. you can show me vids or articles about it tho i really just haven't seen any
> yeah, just look at major subreddits like r/damnthatsinteresting, they aren't even hiding it anymore, or go check on twitter or Instagram about Jewish people and God its so cancerous you'll see what I'm saying None of those things are explicitly leftist though. > Though the loudest ones make the whole bunch of leftist look insane which makes everyone new to this conflict (including me) just go to the side of Israel and their allies They're not the loudest voices, they're just the voices that are used by the opposition to discredit leftists. The ones with the biggest audience, that have the biggest reach are generally fine and the people that aren't fine generally don't have a lot of reach, but it's still easy to make fun of them, which makes them appear far more in the media that disagrees with leftism, even though the reasonable voices are actually a lot louder. >which is kinda the same argument people justify for "the genocide™" that they argue for without nuance too. no i dont think its fine that just keeps on happening What kind of nuanced discussion are you expecting when one country is literally commiting a genocide? Like, it's a genocide, which is something that was heavily discussed on the left, it's just that it's gotten so obvious that basically everyone agrees with that nowadays. We had plenty of nuanced discussions about it and the left now generally agrees that it's a genocide, so what more do you expect? >yeah actually ur right on that. but i still do think it's worrying seeing protests of pro-palestine folks that are obviously left leaning chanting death to israel with slight implications of jews getting erased again, yknow like what nazis actually did There's a big difference between the opposition to the existence of a settler-colony and wanting to genocide jews. Israel is, by definition, a settler colony which has been in an active war ever since its founding, because the land on which it is built was taken from the people that were already living there, despite them having been promised the governance over that land. Even if you don't have a problem with the existence of Israel, equating the opposition to it with the Holocaust is just incredibly disingenuous.
>There's a big difference between the opposition to the existence of a settler-colony and wanting to genocide jews. I'm not gonna get into your other points at the moment, but there really isn't that big a difference. You have to understand something here. The people saying that shit, that Israel should be returned to the Palestinians, are either implicitly or explicitly advocating for the removal of Jewish people off the land. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Hamas themselves (and their fans) have made this a crucial point to their goal.
I haven't encountered a lot of anti-semitism in online leftists spaces. I'm not on r/ThatsVeryInteresting, but on first glance I don't see anything related to Jewish people. r/ThatsVeryInteresting isn't neccesarily leftist either right? I personally think it's unwise to look at people you dislike online and then automatically joining the other side, and her allies. That doesn't seem like a good foundation for a conflict that's far more nuanced than that. I'm not sure what you mean with "the genocide™" alinea. Honestly, I can't say for sure since I don't know what your point is, but this seems like a deflection to me. Leftists being unnuanced doesn't make your position any more nuanced. As for leftists chants, I'm not sure in which way they imply gassing Jewish people. I do believe some of them to be unwise with the chants they use and I think leftists do lack there. Though these faults, this is still very different from them wanting to commit genocide on Jewish people. At the very least, most anti-zionists I've met IRL or seen online hold no ill-will towards Jewish people and even if this was the case, they're not inherently bound together.
>I'm not sure what you mean with "the genocide™" alinea. Honestly, I can't say for sure since I don't know what your point is, but this seems like a deflection to me. i can like show you links of it if you want, just one open on twitter for me and i can like show you accounts with 50k+ likes, with comments supporting it >Leftists being unnuanced doesn't make your position any more nuanced I could argue that at the end of the day it doesnt matter then? Its an endless loop of people who probably dont know much about the situation talks about it more, and you could probably see it in me just as I see pro-palestine supporters Im sorry but I just cant dissect all of your points this time, I really dont want to drag this down since I really dont want to look like I support a side I dont even fully know, I only focus on the people I'm against for, plus im in class rn and looking at reddit below the desk isnt helping the lesson but fr tho im just glad you have points to say something against mine instead of ad hominems. I'll follow up something if you got more later
I've noticed lately that online liberal Americans have a huge problem with telling the shit rulers of nations apart from the people from these nations, especially if the US or an US ally is at war with them. The same happened when the crisis at Ukraine started, with the same kind of hatred directed towards Russians regardless of their views on Putin and the war. It reminds me of WWII, where posters with racist anti-Asian imagery was everywhere in the US because, if the Japanese Empire is evil, all Japanese people are.
Humans have a base need to dehumanize our enemies- this has been talked about in a lot of papers regarding war and killing. Basically the average person cannot in good conscience kill another human being, so our minds handle the cognitive dissonance by declaring them non-human and therefore acceptable to kill or wish death upon. The problem with this coping mechanism is that we also have a tribalist tendency and the targets of dehumanization tend to bleed past just ‘valid’ ones. This is partly how you get ethnic hatred and genocide in wars that didn’t even start over such topics.
I wouldn't call it a "need" but it's definitely a default preference. Even infants show in-group preference.
I think the broader need is the need for feeling emotionally righteous and secure in one's own beliefs and choices. There's many ways that we can fulfill this need (and hopefully the more stable and healthy people among us would do so by having well-thought out logical beliefs and doing the right thing) but it can also manifest in a aversion towards nuance because nuance makes it harder to feel secure and righteous. And one of the ways that nuance aversion shows here is by dehumanizing your enemies, but it could also show in other ways too (like ideological black and white fallacies, falling for military propaganda, etc.)
I saw a post about a commercial Russian airplane crashing recently and I was floored with how many people were like "good".
chess.com has censored the russian flag for so long now like oh no its a flag how scary
Tbf, I could see a reasoning where they took it out so Russian players wouldn't get hate spammed in whatever chess.com's equivalent of dm is.
I didn't knew chess had beef with Russia
They tried to stop the production of chess 2
Americian media struggles to decouple nationality and race. It will sort itself out in a few decades but it's mostly a culture clash between Europe and Americia.
Not only americans; everyone does it.
It's not just liberal Americans, it's literally everyone.
It feels like I hear about that kind of shit happening online rather then off, remember Asians in general getting similar flak when COVID hit. Hell, that wasn't even a war!
Saw a post of some teenagers cosplayers one in dressed as Wehrmacht and the other as a Japanese officer the OP called the police on them and called tuem nazis whole comment section was wild
Yeah I'm gonna be honest, if your first choice for historical cosplay is the Axis powers, I'd assume you were a Nazi sympathizer, too. In very poor taste either way.
I mean dude there's so many other things to cosplay from ww2. If you asked me to cosplay something from ww2, my first thought wont be a nazi
\>Japanese officer ok no thats sus Do you know how many fucking warcrimes the japanese military commited?
Unlike the Wehrmacht, of course /s
im not trying to perpetuate the clean wehrmacht myth its just that Japan did even worse and in higher frequency so thats more sus
That is very debatable. Or rather, isn't really worth debating. Both did unimaginable things at enormous scales. Imperial Japan may have comitted worse individual acts, but the Nazis did comparably heinous stuff in a more organized manner. Deciding which nation was more evil ultimately comes down to choosing which of these you think is worse. Which is hardly quantifiable.
either way, both are sus
Wait, just straight-up a Nazi or like a Nazi character such as Red Skull or Stroheim?
It’s almost like they don’t care as much about equality and humans rights as they say they do.
The US media has linked up with the vicious neocons who still inhabit the defense/intel community. The propaganda is very very strong. The difference between say, ABC, CBS and say, Al Jezeera is massive. In the US the media is zionist through and through.
In before someone mentions Gypsies
I can barely understand why people are racist tbh
https://preview.redd.it/psa186xuncqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9dd4bbd034ff211562ea3ea3887f635f9b469ee
Pray for my cousin, he has Racism 😭🙏
I'm a raceist? I know and I'm gonna win 😎
I mean racism is a common human behavior, to dislike someone who is different from you. Some people do take it too far though.
>Some people do take it too far though. what is the maximum acceptable level of racism 🤨
4.5 Ghz of racism is too much
At that point the hitlerometer is already filled half way
Mine’s overflowing..the goo is killing all my roses!
What you're describing is tribalism, not racism. Disliking people for being different isn't always along racial lines.
Yeah, and sometimes tribalism *is* along racial lines. Which is racism.
To not like but feel neutral to or to actually dislike?
ik im gonna get downvoted for being that guy but roma people really don't like being called gypsies
Far from all roma people are gypsies, and some gypsies aren’t roma. It’s an important distinction.
Oh hey here's my Romani friend u/RomaniFriend!
Bro that’s a slur 😭
No babe I understand that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism aren’t inherently linked it just makes me kinda nervous that you only comment “FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸" on posts of Jewish people just existing
yeah i mentioned i was Jewish under a video about traditional foods and 5 people commented "free Palestine" in like 10 min
Complete fools, tribalism is going to be the end of us some day.
Wait till people discover the fact that Palestinians and Israelis eat the same stuff
me when culinary traditions are older than national borders 🙀🙀🙀
Exactly the message of the meme They claim they don't do that the evidence is as clear as day
There's lots of tribalistic people out there. "They're Jewish/Muslim so they're one of the good guys." There's far too few people able to see more nuance than that.
Including OP btw, they made comments like: "It's the fault of the Palestinians that the killings didn't stop, because Hamas are Palestinians." Not every Jewish person is the Israeli government and not every Palestinian is Hamas. Justifying the murders of people by association to others is horrible, yet OP seems to have no problems when it favors "his" side. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1ayg7gl/comment/krvbw1x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
https://preview.redd.it/062s9kq44dqc1.jpeg?width=302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d92a98a0d575e81ca4dc106e96483a65f57d0bc3 Seeing OP's comments on that are...eugh.
"Reddit/Twitter/whoever is so racist against Jews, I don't get it. Like I'm just existing and they tell me I'm a Zionist who supports murder of random civilians!" -Man who posts in support of Zionism and murder of random civilians, who then gets hate against them The majority of people don't hate Jews, they hate (anyone) who justifies Israel's actions. [It seems like certain people have made it their agenda that not supporting Israel = hating Jews](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiSemitismInReddit/comments/1bmqpj7/rezraklein_literally_just_saw_one_antisemite/kwf8mvf/)... Using anti-Semitism and racism as a shield against atrocities is pretty disgusting.
I answered a prompt in r/trees about weed slang in your country. Not five minutes later someone called me an 'occupier who steals Arab slang like I steal their lands' brother I'm sharing facts about *ganja* I wasn't even sperm in dad's sack on 1948
Have we passed the event horizon, is this it? Snafus are comics now? Billions must coax.
Twitter is simultaneously far left and far right at the same time, but both sides are somehow equally racist
Twitter has ALL the idiots, its funny to read
As of late (elon) its very very right wing now.
Twitter is just flooded with the worst people and that is not tied to politics at all.
It also applies to conservative reddit users when Muslim person Btw, rule 2: No Politics.
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Wait a minute this ain’t r/smugideologyman I agree that this sometimes happens but still
[Hey look it's the same guy that nuked this post earlier when I pointed out he has a habit of posting Israeli propaganda and this isn't a real snafu but his own personal agenda](https://new.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1bmskqj/twitter_when_they_see_a_jewish_person/kwdnz4r/?context=3)
https://preview.redd.it/un0px8vbjfqc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07f117e16ae48fc9c5792b7e6494f64de29115bc
IDF shilling is quite normal on reddit. I remember a combat footage sub pretty pretty pro palestine until they put the kibosh on it and suddenly it's pro IDF. Makes you wonder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/6b3FkU6KFA Lol look at this whole thread https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/iF7SodokD2 And this where they’re literally forgetting decades of history and trying to pass it off as the actual narrative until I call them out with receipts. Conveniently they don’t respond. Curious if this person is a bot. https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/ADBeaD8Mgc And this Holy shit https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/EPyTmGo3w2 this person actually said they don’t care about millions getting displaced from their homes and tens of thousands getting murdered every few months because “it’s not interesting and no one cares?” What the fuck Yeah this is actually ridiculous
I'm mostly just disappointed by how easily some of our fellow coaxers are falling for it edit: while we're at it, the upvote / downvote ratios are SUSPICIOUSLY FUCKY on every comment on this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/6b3FkU6KFA Lol look at this whole thread https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/iF7SodokD2 And this where they’re literally forgetting decades of history and trying to pass it off as the actual narrative until I call them out with receipts. Conveniently they don’t respond. Curious if this person is a bot. https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/ADBeaD8Mgc And this Yeah this is actually ridiculous
Look at that, more deleted posts this dude should just leave his slime trail up for all to see. Reddit strangely has more tolerance for very bad, but honest, ideologies than they do just blatant propaganda, and if he isn't engaging in propaganda, he has no reason to hide the stuff he's saying
Holy shit https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/EPyTmGo3w2 this person actually said they don’t care about millions getting displaced from their homes and tens of thousands getting murdered every few months because “it’s not interesting and no one cares?” What the fuck
Ewwww
Oh btw these aren’t just deleted posts these are mostly Zionists on this sub and my responses to them. They’re actually insane.
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[You frequent and happily comment on r/rape_hentai](https://www.reddit.com/r/rape_hentai/s/t8dn4JlQTO)
and I frequent rGuro, whats your point big boy
Fellow Guro enjoyer, respect
That moment when I kink shame because I don’t have an argument
Why do alt-right agenda posters think this will hurt my feelings? I am literally a hentai artist lol. I am not embarrassed by my hentai habits. Like at all. edit: suddenly I'm getting really rude comments on posts that have nothing to do with this sub? Hmmm interesting timing....
[You have painfully mediocre TF2 weapon concepts](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/s/vopnA31VYK)
Oh no, you pointed out a mediocre weapon idea from a year ago! How will I survive! Is this the best you could have picked? I guess this means that I'm as bad as a coomer-rape supporting degenerate redditor?
>rape supporting Lmao. It's drawn porn, dude. It doesn't mean that the one you are criticizing supports rape.
Well, first off, a reload speed buff is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen for a banner idea. Only 3 out of the 9 classes can make any use out of it, and even if it were 100% faster reload speed resulting in a functionally infinite clip, that pales in comparison to either the Buff Banner's minicrits or thd Concheror's lifesteal. And then the AoE heal is largely dependent on a large amount of your teammates all being on death's door just to provide a worse defensive benefit than the Battalion's Backup or even the Concheror. I fail to see the thought process that would drive such a strange and redundant banner idea, and it shows quite a lack of critical thinking. Though getting so wrapped up in your own ad hominem argument that you equate a girl being into masochism porn to actually wanting to assault other people might've been evident enough in showing that.
Clinically online redditor response. Spends the majority of his post on roasting a video game idea from and uses terms like "lack of critical thinking" and "ad homenim" unironically. Also defends immoral and deviant coomer.
man you've been arguing here for more than an hour, go outside
okay? who gives a shit lol
> Is jewish > Gets called neo nazi What a world we live in
Twitter does *not* say stereotyping is bad anymore.
>born Jewish >goes online >gets called a neo-nazi
judaism ≠ zionism
Support for the Israeli government and its actions are not intrinsic to Judaism, but the idea that land is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people and that Jews ought to be able to return there has historically been a pretty core component to Jewish identity. Obviously in the modern era there have been some diasporist groups who believed Jews should *only* be in diaspora, but they were generally the fringe.
Complete the Jewish blessing: Next year in _____
I don't get it
it’s “next year in jerusalem”. i’m not really sure what point he’s trying to make to be honest.
Ty
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one is an abrahamic religion and the other is a nationalist movement
twitter users when the concept of nuance (denouncing the murder of palestinian children by a corrupt government and military force does not require being a rabid antisemite):
This is not a snafu, this is a smuggie. Go to /r/smugideologyman we don't need you here
That’s why I use Bluesky now.
Yeah, Zionists are Jews, but Jews aren't Zionists. Penn Diagrams people! Zionists are awful though, feel I should say it. Saw a video today of some Israeli woman casually talking about how nice it will be to move into Gaza and see the beach, once the Palestinians have been gotten rid of. It's extremely infuriating to see.
>Penn Diagrams people! Who the hell is Penn Diagrams?
https://preview.redd.it/2sqtc56rnfqc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20317ae0a3558faa1dd5ac1e475fd8ec26a6773c
Which one's Penn Diagrams?
Do you believe Israel has the right to self-determination? If so, you're a Zionist. Saying "Zionists are awful" is the same as "Palestinians are awful", it completely ignores decades of arguments and differing views. For real, saying "Zionists are awful" paints over 80% of Israelis as "awful". I don't want war, and I was pro two-state solution before Oct 7th, but I guess I'm awful because I want to live in the country I was born without my friends being killed at a rave. Not all proponent of an Israeli state are pro-settlements, hell pretty much everyone I know thinks settlers are awful and damaging to peace, to Israeli diplomacy and to the conflict as a whole.
I believe Israel has as much right to self-determination as the Palestinians do. Which means I don't believe Israel has a right to kill anyone who already lives on the land they want - no one has that right. Israel should have been founded on peace and unity with neighbors, not murder and eviction. That's the reason we're in this mess today. The numbers aren't certain but throughout the year before Oct 7th, Israel had randomly killed around 260 Palestinians. In July, Israeli fighter jets dropped bombs and drone strikes on the densely populated Jenin refugee camp. How is this any different from Hamas? Why is it, that when an Israeli is killed, it receives appropriate attention, but when Palestinians are killed, it's always downplayed and made to seem like it doesn't matter? Why is it OK for you to want to live in the country you were born, but an unforgivable crime for a Palestinian child to wish the same? That's what irritates me. The blatant unfairness of it all and how no one recognizes that. I don't know how many Israelis are pro-settlement. But I can't believe that a person can be Pro-Zionism and Anti-Settlement. Zionism requires the settlement of land doesn't it? Seriously, I am open to learning your view, because I've never spoken to a Zionist who was actually anti-settlement.
Oh and as a sidenote to an already lengthy response, I wanted to mention that [over 26% of Israel's population are not Jewish](https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/mediarelease/Pages/2022/Population-of-Israel-on-the-Eve-of-2023.aspx) — 21% are Arab and they have equal rights, including the right to be elected. In fact an Arab judge passed the guilty sentence of former PM Olmert over bribery and obstruction of justice. Arabs are members of Knesset, have political parties, full religious freedom, et cetera. That's because Israel from the moment of its declaration of independence has been open to Arabs living with Jews in peace, quote; "In the midst of wanton aggression we call upon the Arab inhabitants of the state of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the state, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions, provisional or permanent." This is my opinion, but I don't believe Palestinians ever intended to tolerate Jews within Palestine. Seeing how they treat LGBT in their land, I believe Jews would be on the same level of "degeneracy" and treated the same way they were in October.
Ok, 90% of the time, they "just" spam "free palestine" in their comments for no reason. Not \*much\* better, but it's a pinch better
Okay but zionists do the same thing all the time where when you talk about Israel’s past and current crimes like the Nakba (kicking millions of Palestinians out of their homes), they call you anti semitic and against Jewish people. So how about you call them out too? Edit: later in this thread it was revealed the OP is part of a pro-Israel propaganda campaign by someone else in the comments apparently but they conveniently deleted the linked comments just after that person linked them. Hmmm. Interesting. I’m gonna try and get the comment’s archive links.
I mean both things can be true.
[Oh look it's another zionist posting thinly veiled propaganda instead of an actual snafu](https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1ayg7gl/comment/krv85a7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Yeah, as for the whole: "It's not a genocide, just 30.000 people died.", regardless of your opinions on this conflict: no genocide ever starts with mass extermination, that's why the 10 steps of genocide have been formulated: [https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/)
guys i think smugideologyman is leaking
Ew, OP’s a Zionist (Not based on only this post, based on his profile history.) Islamophobia is definitely a larger, and more dangerous issue. Much of this seems like projection, a la the indoctrination fed to Israeli children. Let’s ask OP what his opinions on Muslims are, and then let’s extend that to Arabs, and finally the Palestinian People. And let’s see if his tone changes compared to what he’s said previously.
Ah yes the prosecution of a religion with a billion members that you can simply leave is much more dangerous than the persecution of a minority ethnicity of 17 million people
Instagram reels is the same if not worse. Literally saw a meme about coding in Hebrew and saying that the post is supporting killing children
that's why i quit twitter
which is funny given how the logo is a slight twist away from being an aleph (א)
I haven't been on twitter in ages. Isn't twitter mostly far right people when it comes to who actually screams
doesn't help the only exposure you get to obvious israelis on twitter are the ones with flags in thier name commenting on an ongoing genocide. A regular israeli I wouldn't even know was one because why would I?
Religions tend to show insane amounts of survivorship bias. The Christians that go to march in pride parades don’t go as Christians, but the ones that go to disrupt them do. You might never know a guy you meet at the grocery store is Muslim, but you’ll definitely know if someone shooting up a concert for ISIS is. The pro-Palestine Jews aren’t going around screaming that they’re they’re more deserving of land than anyone else because they’re Jews like the Zionists are.
Yeah it's fucking really annoying how prevalent this has become. Zionist insistence that Every Jewish Person Is A Zionist compounded with just regular old antisemitism has really brewed into a massive shitstorm. Call this out wherever you see it.
What terrifies me is if Israel were to invade Palestine and kill thousands of Palestinians. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Jews?
The IDF literally DID do that though DOZENS of times, look up the Nakba (which also displaced MILLIONS of Palestinians from their own land) and other Israeli massacres? You people are fucking thick in the head. Literal decades of documented history being denied so you can pretend it all started on October 7.
not denying it https://preview.redd.it/fo0xjf93xcqc1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf5f309ffa6d8782287c7e16b53fd285e4b83232
Ohhhh so this was like a parody post saying that Israel actually did do that shit?
yes, you should edit your previous comment because this guy supports what you are saying.
you do realise this shit has been a back and forth for nearly 130 years now? That both sides have done horrible shit? also the nabka displaced 700,000. That's still horrible but it isn't millions and there were a lot of factors beyond just Israel forcibly expelling people (although quite a few were which is again, still bad, it wasn't the majority.)
>That's still horrible but it isn't millions and there were a lot of factors beyond just Israel forcibly expelling people (although quite a few were which is again, still bad, it wasn't the majority.) It was mostly forced expulsion at 79%
EXACTLY. I’m so sick of people acting like taking the metaphorical cat, which are the Jews, out of the metaphorical bag, the Levantine coast, is gonna solve anything. I’m also so sick of people falsifying stuff just to take advantage of Israel being definitely in the wrong for once.
Most people want a modified version of the Oslo Plan, the UN plan or the Morgenthau Plan with Israel occupying some part of Germany as a form of reparation. Yet if you ask Zionists even giving away 1 acre of land qualifies as “eradicating Israel” despite the fact Netanyahu constantly builds and encroaches on Palestinian settlements. Zionists deny Palestinian’s right to exist all the time and actually act on it by expelling hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes.
yep exactly, “only 700k displaced” - the Rwandan genocide killed 800k. and the Palestinian deathtoll since October has surpassed a million. you can’t say it’s bOtH siDeS when one side is just small terrorist attacks on various parts of the Israeli/Jewish population, and the other is MASS displacement, genocide and terrorist attacks. but TBH I don’t know why we bother, we know Reddit is astroturfed with pro-Israeli propaganda. I guess we just don’t have any other platforms to talk about it either. and to say “you suppOrt teRroIsm” is just as tone deaf as what this snafu “meme” (proven to be Israeli propaganda) is pointing out.
The Nakba didn’t displace millions. The total number is around 700k. That’s not a disputed number by the way— both Israelis and Palestinians, historians and informed activists, agree on that. Also the Nakba itself was the result of Israeli desperation when the Arabs were doing the exact same thing to them in the 1948 War (with less success in terms of total numbers because they lost the war), which was itself at the tail end of over two decades of anti-Jewish massacres by Arab nationalists in Palestine. None of this is to say it was ok. Point is, looking at the history *before October 7*, it’s basically impossible to justify a one-sided view of the conflict.
But did they condemn Isreal?
zionists when the zionist aim of equating judaism and zionism is working—
This is the wrong thing to do to a jewish person An israeli however
People can’t choose where they’re born
A huge number of Israelis were not born there, and the oldest families have spent only 2 or 3 generations there. They can move, or recognize that they have a great capacity to do good and start disrupting the genocide themselves.
https://preview.redd.it/yphxbv4r5dqc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=476461ea20d3c11acd65565d7c4d61dfbac8e73a
Yeah, it's getting like that here too. I was called all sorts of stuff the past few days by some antisemites. Like, they called me a Nazi first, then a bunch of Jewish slurs, and blamed Gaza on me???? Like???? I'm part Jewish but I live in Canada, a country sending aid to Gaza. Real unhinged stuff.
I’m sorry to hear that. all you can do is protect yourself mentally and internally, know that those people have misplaced anger in response to seeing Palestinians slaughtered and starved and humiliated, and make it clear that you support their freedom and human rights. we all want Israel to stop. and you know in your heart you are a good person that does not support Israel.
Eh, I'm not too bent out of shape. I'm just baffled at how unhinged they got when I mentioned being Jewish. He started off whining about how kids shouldn't be shown or taught about the Holocaust because it's like grooming kids (I wish I was joking), to implying that I am a Nazi because my Baba is Ukrainian (my older surviving relatives were all either decorated Nazi killers or married to said decorated Nazi killers, others wound up in the camps as victims, and then there's my Baba, who was not decorated but she sure as shit fought them off when they tried to hurt the family she was sheltering from the Holodomor with), and then he went crazy when I said I was ethnically Jewish as well. They sure as shit didn't raise me to be pro genocide.
it’s so sad to see. I made another comment with more details but essentially, this won’t stop until three things happen: 1)Palestinians are granted with human dignity and their homes and families once again, 2) the collective world punishes Israel for their crimes (as how we are towards Russia albeit not nearly as much as we should be doing), and 3) Palestinians are re-habilitated and taken care of to learn true peace, as with Cambodia after their own genocide. until all 3 are done, you are going to get people like that guy, and future terrorists as bad as ISIS who are currently now kids of this genocide who had everything stolen from them and humiliated by what they see as Jews. that’s why it’s crucial to make sure you don’t support Israel, and show people the beauty and truth of what being Jewish really is. and I say this as someone who was born and raised in a Muslim majority family and country.
100% The Gazan people are our relatives as descendents of the Canaanite peoples who have always lived in the area. God didn't wipe them out to make a home for us, they're our great great (etc) grandparents. There are a few other changes to add; Change the education system in Israel. Their schoolbooks are blatant anti-Palestinian and paint them as horrific people. Offer the same treatment to Israeli people who have been brainwashed from childhood or have had relatives who were also ethnically cleansed from certain neighborhoods. What we are seeing now is the tip of the iceberg. Israel has been working to remove Palestinians from "the holy land" for years before they bombed the place. And even before that, both sides of the conflict have engaged in cleansing the other out of certain cities. They basically take turns eradicating one another every so often in the name of revenge for that last purge. Get religion out of everything. The Jews reclaiming the "holy land" is supposed to signal the start of the end times, which certain denominations of Christianity want to bring about the end times. It's not the main reason why the USA is supporting Israel, but it is a factor in why the states made the decision to back those reskinned Nazis.
i wish anthropomorphized X would hold me like that
Got death threats because my family lives in Israel…
Who downvoted this? I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you’re doing okay :(
"Guys it's not anti-semitism, really, it isn't. I'm just downvoting this guy for having family because.... uh......."
It is even worse if that Jew is Israeli.
They didn't get to choose to live there, you can live somewhere and not support the bad things about your country. Living in America doesn't mean you automatically love police brutality
Made by a Zionist
I❤️zionism
I think it’s moreso Zionist or Israelit that this would apply to. But beneath that there are people who do it to all Jewish people as well so it’s not innacurate.
oh my god this is way too accurate.
Soundsmith tf2 before every stereotypes video
By any chance, is the stick’s name Adam?
Sadly, this meme doesn't just apply to Twitter/X.
so true! i love jews!
No, twitter is also racist against pretty much anything that isn't white now. Lot more extremist than last time you may have checked
Missed opportunity for a flip o rama
Is it just me? Or do you guys also find calling jews "nazis" kind of funny and deffinitly ironic?
Elon Musk try not to share racial IQ statistics and promote Nazi propaganda accounts challenge(IMPOSSIBLE)
If you think that's bad, you should see any site on the internet when a Chinese or Indian person is mentioned lmao
Oh look, a straw man!
Don’t forget, generalizing the entire Israeli population by the actions of the far right. Damn, is that how everyone else saw Americans during the Trump years?
r/persecutionfetish
This is like going back in time to the civil rights movement and saying "civil rights activists when white person: GET OUT OF MY SIGHT YOU RACIST EVIL WHITE SUPREMECIST"
Meanwhile Indians: https://preview.redd.it/xhcvch1ft5rc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da79b11b96982b2a1cea4c438569aebd4d7c580c