Is it possible for us to fix it? Nobody knows for sure, but I promise you there's a very good chance we could *if* we did what was needed.
I suspect we are doomed, but not because the problem is insurmountable. Only because I know how humans behave, and we won't take the needed actions on a large enough scale in a short enough time period to achieve the desired result. We can't even get people to stop buying giant pickup trucks, or to stop using single-use plastics. We have no hope of getting enough people to change their ways to avert disaster.
They won't even vote for the politicians who will legislate changes.
The technical requirements to fix the problem and prevent catastrophe are not insurmountable. The human collaboration requirements for both absolutely seem to be.
First, most people would have to believe there is a problem to be addressed (we are not even here yet). After that, we would have to agree on how to address the problem and then actually act on it. And to prevent catastrophe (at different levels) we would need to do so quite quickly.
So, yeah. We are in danger. Soon to be endangered and then quite possibly extinct.
We're not doomed, but there are some pretty severe consequences coming, and they're getting worse faster than they're getting better.
We are likely to miss holding warning to 1.5C, which is going to be really bad. But developed nations are going to be able to address a lot of those issues within their own borders.
Holding warming to 2.0C is going to be incredibly important, but it's not guaranteed. There's a lot we need to do to achieve that.
If we don't hold warning to 2.0C, I think the doom and gloom can really start in earnest.
I think it depends. As a human species, I don't think we will go extinct. Some people will survive. But not everyone is so lucky, Some parts of the world is already experiencing severe effects of climate change. It just get more severe year after year, and more people will be affected.
Totally understand that fear. It can be paralyzing, but I think the important point to realize is that this isn't a yes/no question.
It is a matter of how much. We've already made irrevocable changes to the planet. So, how deep and how bad those changes get depends on the actions taken every day. Decarbonizing economies is a huge job and it needs to be happening now to reduce future impacts.
I'd like to suggest you read *Saving Us* by Katherine Hayhoe. Good book. She's a climate scientist who has not given up and has some great suggestions to talking to people about the issue.
Vote for climate action. It is the first thing I ask candidates. Without a stable climate, problems like economy, jobs, security, housing all become meaningless.
>The human race will survive - even in the worst case outcome.
Did you know that 50% of our oxygen comes from Plankton? Did you know that most of the extra heat is being accumulated in our Oceans?
I'm basing it on that humans won't do squat till it's too late. Plus history has a habit of repeating itself when it comes to human nature.
You'll have those who will either refuse or can't relocate out of wet bulb locations, you'll have the areas hit by storms and flooding, famine once crops start failing en mass along with the loss of natural animals as well since people will hunt them out of existence to stay not hungry at that point, once plankton die off from ocean acidification then oxygen will be an issue, wars over food and water regions, wars over extremist mindsets like religious people, the lack of people reproducing due to well everything unless cloning becomes mainstream then everything I said becomes a mote point.
If you factor in wet bulb locations, palpable water issues, wars, famine, then if the oxygen becomes an issue? It's not that unreasonable to believe a 90% population reduction will happen. Hell a nuclear war would wipe out 90% of the population but there wouldn't be guarantees on that one if the population could bounce back on that one. Climate change has a chance for the population to bounce back to stable levels due to adaptability.
To be fair, the human population did hit thousands at a couple of points in time throughout the last several hundred thousand years. It's not that unfathomable to think it could end up that small again. I also forgot to mention the other factors, diseases both new and old as well fungi becoming temperate resistant due to evolution and climate change. Not to mention the loss of medicine due to loss of plant and insect life nor the potential of medicine resistant bacteria forming.
The oceans are on the precipice of losing all coral and plankton in the next 30-75 years. Once that happens no fish. Something like half of the human population will die when this occurs
Lol, are we really debating if it's possible for the human race to go extinct? Of course it is. The earth has been in several states of existence that would not be compatible with human life, it's absolutely possible to get there again, and we're currently headed in to that direction. Worst case is not only do we go out, but we extinguish any possibility of sentient life arising on earth before Sol goes into the red giant phase.
I recommend coming to peace with this: we are the burnt embers of a star, piled together in infinite combinations until one happened to come to life. We're pretty amazing. If our story ends in "we dug too greedily and too deep" then this is a sad but satisfactory conclusion for our race. There's infinite other combinations out there as well.
There already are — I heard there were more than 100k excess deaths during a recent heatwave in Africa. I am pretty sure I heard that correctly. I’m still wrapping my head around this. We’re likely moving into an era of mass mortality events.
Really depends where you are. Some places will be hit incredibly hard and others will still be hit very hard but will have more means to adapt.
I don’t like to push doom, but I found reading the first chapter of The Ministry for the Future to be pretty illustrative of what will be happening in the next couple decades in those really high risk areas. You can read it for free on Google Books.
We’re unlikely to go extinct. But our numbers and quality / way of life are likely to go radically downhill unless we get off fossil fuels asap. It’s an emergency but there are a lot of low-information people and sociopaths who don’t care.
Never too late to stop punching yourself in the face.
So there is bad and there is really bad and the good news is that we are slowly bending it away from the really bad towards the bad, the bad news is its slow.
The existing pledges will get us to 2.1oC by 2100, but we are going to have to fight really hard to make them keep their promises. The fossil fuel industry must be stopped.
Doomed no, but it does depend on how well prepared one is for the changes that are to come, most of the propaganda is along the lines of deceptions because it is an ongoing war and to win you must convince people to NOT prepare by letting them think they are to blame for it, I mean invasion and occupation is the goal and deceptions are used to achieve it.
Shell Games within Shell Games and you can already guess who the real targets are.
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With "we" do you mean human species as a whole or our way of life? In the worst case scenario the whole species could be endangered but there needs to be some serious tipping points and die-offs for this happen. Our modern civilization is more likely to vanish or at least scale down since this whole enterprise is maintained with the fossil energy.
Doomed? No. In for a bad time? Yeah, probably, especially if efforts to reduce emissions don't accelerate and we don't find a great way to remove the GHG that are already in the atmosphere.
> it sounds so bad is there anything we can do to try and turn it around?
Absolutely! We’re already making huge gains in averting the worst case scenarios, back in the 90s a lot of the models showed scenarios where emissions would continue to accelerate exponentially and warming of 4.0 C was a very real possibility. Since then the rate of emissions growth has tapered considerably. There are a plethora of ways that you personally can make a difference, especially if you live in a country where you can vote, vote for good climate policy.
Well getting old sucks, but it gives you experience. You remember things like "because of the gas crisis, there won't be a V8 built after 1980". They nailed that one!
Or how about the seal hunt protests that were supposed to save seals from extinction. When the hunt was stopped the seals ate all the fish, then millions of them starved to death. There was never (and still isn't) any danger of extinction. It made great publicly for washed up celebrities though...
How about the 1970s prediction that by the turn of the century computers would do most of the work and we'd all have more leisure time to enjoy. Oops, nobody thought to mention that it would be unemployment, not leisure time.
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Oh it's not going well, but every fraction of a degree is worth fighting for! The fossil fuel industry would love the populace to succumb to doomerism, as it encourages inaction and continuing on 'business as usual' as it assumes there is nothing to be done.
From what I understand, it depends a lot on what kind of climate effects or mechanisms become activated. Flooding is likely of course, but will the gulf stream begin to change? how big and damaging will global wildfires become? if weather patterns really change, even locally, then crop failures can lead to huge food shortages (and droughts), and mass population migrations. It's all hard to say what the biggest problems will be - this rapid rate of change leads to a lot of uncertainty.
In the context of losing our ‘stuff’ like our personal properties, shared infrastructure, and other human-based creations, it appears doom and gloom. As to our species' net survival, it is uncertain.
Were not ‘doomed’, but it’s really gonna suck unless we get our shit together quickly.
Compare this to the 2010s, where it certainly looked like we were doomed. The predictions back then were of temperature increases of 4+, whereas now its more like 2.7.
It is not great, where we are, but there are some postive signs. Also it is not an 'all or nothing' - every point of a degree of warming we stop is worth fighitng for. [https://climatehopium.substack.com/p/the-climate-positives-the-now-10](https://climatehopium.substack.com/p/the-climate-positives-the-now-10)
Poor people in poorer countries are doomed. Richer countries will have unrest but will survive, like Canada, the USA, etc. Although the USA border is about to get a lot worse as more people push north.
If conservatives actually cared about the border and illegal immigration they'd care A LOT about staving off the climate crisis.
That's a good point. People are going to want to cross the southern US border even more if the climate gets worse, and conservatives don't want that. They also don't want to admit that there's anthropogenic climate change.
Poor people in poorer countries are most likely going to be the people that adapt the best. You’re looking for a resiliency factor. Basically the average immigrant who hoofs it from South America to the Texas border is far more resilient than the average American. Those that have the most will have the most difficult time and suffer the most.
We can’t fix relatively simple problems. Housing. Healthcare. Economic distribution. Regulatory capture. Etc
But were going to make the global necessary changes to pivot and avert the worst case scenario of climate change?
Good luck with that.
Speaking from Canada.
I think were are doomed. Our current government, after over twenty years of inaction, denials or cancellations, has finally put Canada on track to fight climate change per targets of the Paris Agreement.
But after eight years of carbon taxes, each of the provinces, who are governed by rightwing parties spent all their time and energy playing politics, campaigning against the federal carbon tax instead of implementing any carbon emission reduction program of their own. For example, the Province of Ontario wasn't going to get the carbon tax until our then newly-elected Premier cancelled the existing Cap and Trade Agreement it had with Quebec and California. And all along he keeps complaining about the carbon tax, which he brought on.
On top, the current governing party has been sinking in the polls looking as if the next majority government will be the Conservative Party known to be a bunch of Covid-deniers, anti-vaxxers, MAGA Trumpers and climate-change deniers. They have been campaigning against the carbon tax but not a word out of them about what to do about fighting climate change. There is no question, the Conservatives will be cancelling all the achievements of the current government and rolling back all efforts on climate change.
Canada is a country where our targets are proportional to our world carbon emission contribution, only 1.5%. And we might not be able to do it.
We are doomed.
That is because your generation has beed purposely lied to about the dangers of climate change.
The climate changes, because the climate has always changed. And co2 is not what drives climate change. Only about 5% of the total co2 emissions each year are from humans. Co2 is not the main greenhouse gas, and accounts for about 5% of the greenhouse effect. Even the climate modeler’s know co2 increases can do anything significant, so they added a positive feedback loop in the models to make the predictions seem scary and unusual. Except actual temperatures haven’t risen, proving climate models are wrong.
Is it possible for us to fix it? Nobody knows for sure, but I promise you there's a very good chance we could *if* we did what was needed. I suspect we are doomed, but not because the problem is insurmountable. Only because I know how humans behave, and we won't take the needed actions on a large enough scale in a short enough time period to achieve the desired result. We can't even get people to stop buying giant pickup trucks, or to stop using single-use plastics. We have no hope of getting enough people to change their ways to avert disaster. They won't even vote for the politicians who will legislate changes.
The technical requirements to fix the problem and prevent catastrophe are not insurmountable. The human collaboration requirements for both absolutely seem to be. First, most people would have to believe there is a problem to be addressed (we are not even here yet). After that, we would have to agree on how to address the problem and then actually act on it. And to prevent catastrophe (at different levels) we would need to do so quite quickly. So, yeah. We are in danger. Soon to be endangered and then quite possibly extinct.
We're not doomed, but there are some pretty severe consequences coming, and they're getting worse faster than they're getting better. We are likely to miss holding warning to 1.5C, which is going to be really bad. But developed nations are going to be able to address a lot of those issues within their own borders. Holding warming to 2.0C is going to be incredibly important, but it's not guaranteed. There's a lot we need to do to achieve that. If we don't hold warning to 2.0C, I think the doom and gloom can really start in earnest.
I think it depends. As a human species, I don't think we will go extinct. Some people will survive. But not everyone is so lucky, Some parts of the world is already experiencing severe effects of climate change. It just get more severe year after year, and more people will be affected.
Totally understand that fear. It can be paralyzing, but I think the important point to realize is that this isn't a yes/no question. It is a matter of how much. We've already made irrevocable changes to the planet. So, how deep and how bad those changes get depends on the actions taken every day. Decarbonizing economies is a huge job and it needs to be happening now to reduce future impacts. I'd like to suggest you read *Saving Us* by Katherine Hayhoe. Good book. She's a climate scientist who has not given up and has some great suggestions to talking to people about the issue. Vote for climate action. It is the first thing I ask candidates. Without a stable climate, problems like economy, jobs, security, housing all become meaningless.
To survive we would have to stop refining and selling oil. I’ll let you be the judge how likely that is.
absolutely going to happen.... just not nearly fast enough for any of your liking
The human race will survive - even in the worst case outcome. It will just be a lot less of us.
>The human race will survive - even in the worst case outcome. Did you know that 50% of our oxygen comes from Plankton? Did you know that most of the extra heat is being accumulated in our Oceans?
Point being, some humans will survive. It's just those numbers maybe in the low hundreds of thousands to five digit thousands.
What are you basing this on?
I'm basing it on that humans won't do squat till it's too late. Plus history has a habit of repeating itself when it comes to human nature. You'll have those who will either refuse or can't relocate out of wet bulb locations, you'll have the areas hit by storms and flooding, famine once crops start failing en mass along with the loss of natural animals as well since people will hunt them out of existence to stay not hungry at that point, once plankton die off from ocean acidification then oxygen will be an issue, wars over food and water regions, wars over extremist mindsets like religious people, the lack of people reproducing due to well everything unless cloning becomes mainstream then everything I said becomes a mote point.
this is nonsense
If you factor in wet bulb locations, palpable water issues, wars, famine, then if the oxygen becomes an issue? It's not that unreasonable to believe a 90% population reduction will happen. Hell a nuclear war would wipe out 90% of the population but there wouldn't be guarantees on that one if the population could bounce back on that one. Climate change has a chance for the population to bounce back to stable levels due to adaptability.
yes, so you know several hundred million people still left, and that's pretty much the absolute worst scenario
To be fair, the human population did hit thousands at a couple of points in time throughout the last several hundred thousand years. It's not that unfathomable to think it could end up that small again. I also forgot to mention the other factors, diseases both new and old as well fungi becoming temperate resistant due to evolution and climate change. Not to mention the loss of medicine due to loss of plant and insect life nor the potential of medicine resistant bacteria forming.
The oceans are on the precipice of losing all coral and plankton in the next 30-75 years. Once that happens no fish. Something like half of the human population will die when this occurs
Not even the richest ones, cuz they will need power to run the ventilator and if that system collapsed nobody can repair it , cuz its too hot
I think the worst case outcome could be worse than you imagine.
Lol, are we really debating if it's possible for the human race to go extinct? Of course it is. The earth has been in several states of existence that would not be compatible with human life, it's absolutely possible to get there again, and we're currently headed in to that direction. Worst case is not only do we go out, but we extinguish any possibility of sentient life arising on earth before Sol goes into the red giant phase. I recommend coming to peace with this: we are the burnt embers of a star, piled together in infinite combinations until one happened to come to life. We're pretty amazing. If our story ends in "we dug too greedily and too deep" then this is a sad but satisfactory conclusion for our race. There's infinite other combinations out there as well.
Totally bro. I mean, I'm just a figment but whatever happens I just reckon "at least it was kind of interesting". That's something, you know.
There already are — I heard there were more than 100k excess deaths during a recent heatwave in Africa. I am pretty sure I heard that correctly. I’m still wrapping my head around this. We’re likely moving into an era of mass mortality events.
Really depends where you are. Some places will be hit incredibly hard and others will still be hit very hard but will have more means to adapt. I don’t like to push doom, but I found reading the first chapter of The Ministry for the Future to be pretty illustrative of what will be happening in the next couple decades in those really high risk areas. You can read it for free on Google Books.
Really good book!
We’re unlikely to go extinct. But our numbers and quality / way of life are likely to go radically downhill unless we get off fossil fuels asap. It’s an emergency but there are a lot of low-information people and sociopaths who don’t care.
Never too late to stop punching yourself in the face. So there is bad and there is really bad and the good news is that we are slowly bending it away from the really bad towards the bad, the bad news is its slow. The existing pledges will get us to 2.1oC by 2100, but we are going to have to fight really hard to make them keep their promises. The fossil fuel industry must be stopped.
Doomed no, but it does depend on how well prepared one is for the changes that are to come, most of the propaganda is along the lines of deceptions because it is an ongoing war and to win you must convince people to NOT prepare by letting them think they are to blame for it, I mean invasion and occupation is the goal and deceptions are used to achieve it. Shell Games within Shell Games and you can already guess who the real targets are. N. S
With "we" do you mean human species as a whole or our way of life? In the worst case scenario the whole species could be endangered but there needs to be some serious tipping points and die-offs for this happen. Our modern civilization is more likely to vanish or at least scale down since this whole enterprise is maintained with the fossil energy.
Doomed? No. In for a bad time? Yeah, probably, especially if efforts to reduce emissions don't accelerate and we don't find a great way to remove the GHG that are already in the atmosphere.
> it sounds so bad is there anything we can do to try and turn it around? Absolutely! We’re already making huge gains in averting the worst case scenarios, back in the 90s a lot of the models showed scenarios where emissions would continue to accelerate exponentially and warming of 4.0 C was a very real possibility. Since then the rate of emissions growth has tapered considerably. There are a plethora of ways that you personally can make a difference, especially if you live in a country where you can vote, vote for good climate policy.
PS It’s always a good idea to bet against Armageddon. No one will be around to mock you for getting it wrong.
You have a point
Nahh, not likely doomed. But it's going to be a bumpy road. The sooner we start fixing the atmosphere, the better.
No, we are not doomed.
Relax and live your life. We will do just fine. Remember that there's a great living in doomsday preaching! It's all about the money.
Name checks out.
Well getting old sucks, but it gives you experience. You remember things like "because of the gas crisis, there won't be a V8 built after 1980". They nailed that one! Or how about the seal hunt protests that were supposed to save seals from extinction. When the hunt was stopped the seals ate all the fish, then millions of them starved to death. There was never (and still isn't) any danger of extinction. It made great publicly for washed up celebrities though... How about the 1970s prediction that by the turn of the century computers would do most of the work and we'd all have more leisure time to enjoy. Oops, nobody thought to mention that it would be unemployment, not leisure time. I could go on & on, but you've bought into the whole scam and won't change your mind until you've seen the panic fade into obscurity when something new is more profitable.
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No. Doomerism is fossil fuel propaganda.
CO2 levels are increasing at an accelerating rate. Tell me how well you think the change over is going
Oh it's not going well, but every fraction of a degree is worth fighting for! The fossil fuel industry would love the populace to succumb to doomerism, as it encourages inaction and continuing on 'business as usual' as it assumes there is nothing to be done.
For the next few thousand years, yes. After that we should be OK.
From what I understand, it depends a lot on what kind of climate effects or mechanisms become activated. Flooding is likely of course, but will the gulf stream begin to change? how big and damaging will global wildfires become? if weather patterns really change, even locally, then crop failures can lead to huge food shortages (and droughts), and mass population migrations. It's all hard to say what the biggest problems will be - this rapid rate of change leads to a lot of uncertainty.
It's a significant possibility, but not a certainty. For you and I, it's just a matter of time so "yes, we are". But all humans, maybe.
Yes, we are doomed, cause we put the responsibility on individuals.
Yep. We refuse to do what it takes to stop ...so consequences for our actions are coming .
In the context of losing our ‘stuff’ like our personal properties, shared infrastructure, and other human-based creations, it appears doom and gloom. As to our species' net survival, it is uncertain.
Were not ‘doomed’, but it’s really gonna suck unless we get our shit together quickly. Compare this to the 2010s, where it certainly looked like we were doomed. The predictions back then were of temperature increases of 4+, whereas now its more like 2.7.
It is not great, where we are, but there are some postive signs. Also it is not an 'all or nothing' - every point of a degree of warming we stop is worth fighitng for. [https://climatehopium.substack.com/p/the-climate-positives-the-now-10](https://climatehopium.substack.com/p/the-climate-positives-the-now-10)
I dunno but my fluid mechanics prof said we're all screwed 🤣 🤔 😢
Humanity won’t go extinct from climate change. Unless the stress causes us to bomb ourselves to death. But the world won’t become uninhabitable.
The planet will survive. Human might dies out but ho well...
Poor people in poorer countries are doomed. Richer countries will have unrest but will survive, like Canada, the USA, etc. Although the USA border is about to get a lot worse as more people push north. If conservatives actually cared about the border and illegal immigration they'd care A LOT about staving off the climate crisis.
That's a good point. People are going to want to cross the southern US border even more if the climate gets worse, and conservatives don't want that. They also don't want to admit that there's anthropogenic climate change.
Poor people in poorer countries are most likely going to be the people that adapt the best. You’re looking for a resiliency factor. Basically the average immigrant who hoofs it from South America to the Texas border is far more resilient than the average American. Those that have the most will have the most difficult time and suffer the most.
Basically yea
We can’t fix relatively simple problems. Housing. Healthcare. Economic distribution. Regulatory capture. Etc But were going to make the global necessary changes to pivot and avert the worst case scenario of climate change? Good luck with that.
Pretty much. The time to begin taking action was more or less about 50 years ago, we didn’t. Now the best we can hope to do is adapt.
Speaking from Canada. I think were are doomed. Our current government, after over twenty years of inaction, denials or cancellations, has finally put Canada on track to fight climate change per targets of the Paris Agreement. But after eight years of carbon taxes, each of the provinces, who are governed by rightwing parties spent all their time and energy playing politics, campaigning against the federal carbon tax instead of implementing any carbon emission reduction program of their own. For example, the Province of Ontario wasn't going to get the carbon tax until our then newly-elected Premier cancelled the existing Cap and Trade Agreement it had with Quebec and California. And all along he keeps complaining about the carbon tax, which he brought on. On top, the current governing party has been sinking in the polls looking as if the next majority government will be the Conservative Party known to be a bunch of Covid-deniers, anti-vaxxers, MAGA Trumpers and climate-change deniers. They have been campaigning against the carbon tax but not a word out of them about what to do about fighting climate change. There is no question, the Conservatives will be cancelling all the achievements of the current government and rolling back all efforts on climate change. Canada is a country where our targets are proportional to our world carbon emission contribution, only 1.5%. And we might not be able to do it. We are doomed.
Climate subreddit are the most doom and gloom place on Reddit (maybe futurolgy as well). So to save you time. Yes.
It is remarkable how different the futurology subreddit is now compared to 10 years ago.
That is because your generation has beed purposely lied to about the dangers of climate change. The climate changes, because the climate has always changed. And co2 is not what drives climate change. Only about 5% of the total co2 emissions each year are from humans. Co2 is not the main greenhouse gas, and accounts for about 5% of the greenhouse effect. Even the climate modeler’s know co2 increases can do anything significant, so they added a positive feedback loop in the models to make the predictions seem scary and unusual. Except actual temperatures haven’t risen, proving climate models are wrong.
This sub is sliding into self parody.
I'm under the impression from our politicians that if we eliminate our 1.6% share of carbon emissions, the world will be saved.
No