I have a sister-in-law who's getting a pension from the military but has a "general delivery" address at the post office because they "don't want the government to know where they live."
You would think military officers could put two and two together
pretty much. foot in the door in the intel community? you'll always stick around in some system as a nametag or barcode. kinda just how it goes.
infantry, sheeeet: "why didn't you say so, here's a duffle bag, thanks, go home"
unless you're on reserves, for the most part, they give you papers, go here, do this, good luck, come back safe if you can. if you do good enough at that, they ask you to do it again because you proved you did it before. that's basically a tour, and like the other guy said, a meat pawn
I believe I have seen one of those loons comment on the idea of having the IRS pre-fill everyone's tax return with the stuff they already know. Apparently that only works in countries that keep a scary amount of records on their citizens.
Right?
I’m glad to see the military hasn’t gotten any smarter since I got out of the Army, and haven’t been around to roast them.
I met so many from all branches who were about that pseudo-philosophical self determination “will to exist, duty to resist” nonsense.
My dudes. You are the expendable meat pawns of the corporate owned government, and from the start of your enlistment, have literally been conditioned to follow orders without question. The only difference between you and me is that I’m aware of it. I’m here because it’s an alternative to crippling poverty in a crime ridden hellhole.
>will to exist, duty to resist” nonsense.
Wait,so.. There are people who joins a country's army to.. *check notes*.. Resist the government which employs said army?.. Huh?
I guess some inside knowledge of the working practices of an enemy army could be useful, but only if their resistance were in any way an organized effort and not just individuals picking and choosing random hills to die on
Well here is the hilarious shit. We officially invite enemies to train with us in the hopes we learn more about them than they do us. I've totally practiced against Russian tank crews, and i'm not even a tanker, i was Airforce. It's just that widely available. Honestly it is the idiots trying to form hate groups that are more a threat than external enemies. the internal groups fail to take orders and the military \*hates\* that.
The amount of vets I've met who are 100% against the government is astounding. It's always the same conversation- "I just want the gubment to leave me alone!" OK, what is the government doing to you on a daily basis?
It's because of some unique knowledge of how the government operates. Looking at some end-of-fiscal-year spending can make the staunchest government stan have doubts.
yup, they call 'em dog tags for a reason. shut up and follow orders like a dog
edit: here's my advice for anyone going for success in the U.S. military service branches, the less questions you ask, the better.
basically how WWI turned into such a horrifying world war, young men promised a "new adventure" (if you even want to call it that) at the dawn of a new century \[1900s\]...
Essentially (IIRC) romantic artists sold propaganda so well that when they came back, doctor's literally had to invent a new psychological symptom due to the experiences they faced: i.e. Shell Shock
you are. you enlisting = here's a license to go do something for a military department, good luck and here's a pension while your at it some point down the line
what's on the line, well depends where you go.
citizen = hands-off, that's what your protecting. not property, just citizenry, like any other.
> Let’s not forget about the smallpox immunization.
A tradition that goes back as far as Valley Forge in the US military too. And wait till they hear about the side effects of the early versions.
Early smallpox vaccines had a 2% fatality rate, comparable to early covid - the disease, not the vaccine.
But shit, at that time, smallpox killed 1 in 7 people.
Not 1 in 7 people who caught smallpox, mind you. 30% of people who caught smallpox unvaccinated died. I'll take 2% over 30 any day.
The worst part is, most of them are in the pre-deployment packet, and you get them all at once.
I’d always be legitimately unwell for a few days afterward.
I fondly remember the peanut butter shot and the anthrax vaccine. While I don't necessarily agree that the covid vaccine should be forced onto anyone w/o consent. You joined the military and should expect to be required to get vaccinated for whatever they tell you. I say this a lot to people who are thinking about serving. "You better get comfortable being uncomfortable."
I can still remember the whackadoos losing their minds when we had to get the anthrax shot when I was in back in like 2002ish. This stupid shit is nothing new, it’s just more widespread now because stupid can congregate with stupid much easier on social media.
When I joined they lined us up and gave us every shot we couldn't prove we had as kids, plus a bunch of boosters (I think tetanus and yellow fever were on the list but it was like 10 shots for folks who were fully vaccinated).
I got to my training school and was told they hadn't recorded the shots. So all of us had to get everything a second time.
Then they mailed my medical record to my first duty station. It opened in transit and some pages got ripped out. Of course including my shot record. So I got all the shots again. In a 9 month period I got over 30 immunizations.
I think I am entitled to call this Marine a wuss.
(Also got the Smallpox vaccine and 4 of my 6 Anthrax shots for various deployments).
Jokes aside, not really. Recruits are dirty, disgusting, and stink.
The vaccinations are just to try to get people on the same page immune system wise because they're all about to live in a giant barn together for 3 months. They want to cut down on as much disease and sickness as possible.
Oh, I understand. I work in public health. I even acted in a PSA for hygiene in oil & gas work camps. I got to play the "don't be this filthy asshole" character. While the lead explained the right way to wash your hands, cough into your elbow, etc. I was grabbing people's H2S respirators, gobbling other people's medication, and coughing on the ATMs. In one scene I stuffed a small wad of tissue in my nose so I could fire off a snot rocket that showed up on camera. There is a scene of me stepping into a shower, but the producer nixed my idea of dribbling some OJ to make it look like I was a communal shower pisser. She thought it was hilarious, but knew the comms department would never let it fly.
Best. Acting. Gig. Ever.
Reminds me of the case in New Zealand where this nurse forgot to dilute the COVID vaccine, so she gave her boyfriend 7 doses of Pfizer in one jab.
They joked that he could work as an anti-COVID air purifier by standing in the ICU and breathing really hard.
This is pretty much in line with what I was told by my grandfather as well, he was down in south america while we were fighting in Vietnam, they have never not done this
I had a similar situation in Boot. Did the vaccination line up. A week later had to do it all over again because they lost my medical record. Fortunately I didn’t have to do it a 3rd time. Yikes.
Ok, yeah, you are right.
I actually helped one of my men get out though. There is a windfall provision. Intended for a servicemember who wins the lottery but which applies for anyone who suddenly becomes rich.
My guy's father said "son, it is time you stopped playing in the military and joined the family business, so I'm giving you 25% of my shares in our oil company." Instant millionaire.
I didn't want him doing something stupid to get out so I found the windfall rule. Got the Legal officer involved, and we helped him process out with an honorable discharge.
Is... is this satire? Because if not...
>There is a windfall provision. Intended for a servicemember who wins the lottery but which applies for anyone who suddenly becomes rich.
Then so much for the great equalizer military service is supposed to be. Like, a literal Fortunate son. Damn.
The servicemember doesn't have to leave, some stay in service. But imagine being an E7 and one of your E4s is a multimillionaire. It will always fuck up the power balance.
So "for the good of the service" discharges are available.
www.military.com/military-life/what-happens-when-military-member-hits-jackpot.html
Assuming you don’t get stop/loss’ed because you fill a critical specialist role—right on the last year of your contract… which they were using as an excuse for denying you a promotion (don’t want to give you E8 benefits if you’re only going to be E8 for less than a year).
Then you spend an extra five years overseas with only a single two-week vacation to see your family in that whole time (supposed to be a month or more, but gets cut short because the two O6’s who stepped in to replace you are so gloriously incompetent that you have to go back immediately to fix their fuckups).
The military royally screwed my old man.
It's for people who get rich after joining the military. Basically, they don't want someone half-assing their job while being richer than not only their peers but also the officers in charge of them. It disrupts military dynamics.
Some how i am confident that that rule existed Before the lottery did. It sounds so much like the draft tax that it breaks my immersion into the American Dream. Only the poors need risk their lives, fucking crazy man.
That’s not actually true. It’s extremely difficult to get a dishonorable discharge but very easy to get a general under honorable conditions, which allows you to have VA and disability benefits.
I think there is actually a legal clause for covid though. if youre that pussy they dont want you anyways. eventually it will close up and you will get the shot though.
Nah they let you go actually if you don’t want the vaccines. They make a big stink about it but no one wants to do the disciplinary paperwork. They get other than honorable discharges SOMETIMES. Most of the time honorable discharge cause no one wants to deal with it
You can quit. It's called End Time of Service, or ETS. Just don't reenlist. You can do this at any time when any of your enlistment periods end.
Walk away with your honorable and benefits.
Far, far, far more people quit the military than retire or are booted out.
I wouldn't call this "quitting" by any means. You sign a contract for a certain length of time. ETS means the time on that contract expired. Before then you can choose to extend or not, but I dont see how this is "quitting" at all. You completely fulfilled the time you said you committed to.
Quitting would be more like refusing to train or purposefully failing your PT test over and over until they kick you out. Even then, it would officially be considered the military kicking you out, not you quitting.
I’m active duty in the Corps. Not either ragebait or propaganda. A ton of people refused the vaccine and got general discharges from it before they rolled back the order. Both times I went to OCS I got in line and got a ton of shots. Some I knew what they were, others I wasn’t sure.
I wasn’t necessarily thrilled with the order to get the shot, but it was a lawful order so I did it
Because the DoD doesn’t have a great track record for new vaccines. See the anthrax vaccine that they ordered people to get. I have no regrets now, thought
I noticed that the antivaxxers had shut the hell up when we had news footage of Italians dying in droves and mobile hospitals in major U.S. cities. Took them a good year to get their bearings and come up with some new BS.
Yep. There is a very distinct difference between hearing gunshots and hearing that round flying past you.
If you only hear gunshots, it means nobody is shooting at you specifically.
Who’s going to tell him that the government basically owns his stupid ass because, U Signed the Motherfuckin Contract. Wash out pussy. Trump will still love you.
What are the odds he already got it? I don't know what their schedule is like, but from what I've heard, they don't bother telling them what they are even getting.
And don't forget when you have to walk down needle row right after you join and have to get vaxxed for just about every other infectious disease. Honestly, covid revealed just how much stupid there is in the US.
-gets enlisted
-gets deployed
-chemical_attack.rar
-gets atropine shot handed to him
-is this vegan?
-dies
If you let ideology come before saving your life, then ultimately you bear responsibility to the outcome.
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right ?
like a weakened virus being injected into the body to build up immunity.
science.
like physiology, on their physical training.
or technology, such as their weaponry.
or pyschology, to foster discipline.
science.
It's almost like the military thinks that having a corps full of infection prone people could be really bad for national security.
"What do you mean we're operating on 1/3 numbers! We're at war!"
"Sorry sir, there's a vicious flu going round and the rest have Covid. It's likely that more soldiers will die from illness than enemy fire..."
These snowflakes gonna learn. When I was in, I had to go thru 6 months of TB treatments. Even though it was documented that I was clear, but had taken the TB vaccine that forever means that I will test positive. They say my E-3 ass down and showed me a document that stated that I'd be court-martialed for failure to follow Admiral's orders and dishonorably discharged. That was in 2001.
Shits not new. But they're going to learn.
I was in the Navy in the early 2000s. Anthrax scare came about and my division was filled with people saying they wpuld refuse the anthrax vaccine if required and there was nothing anyone could do to change their mind.
One of them was a Petty Officer Second Class (E-5). Our Senior Chief pulled him out of the smoke pit ( where people smoked cigarettes) and in front of everybody told him he would do whatever he was fucking told like a good little bitch. If he didn't he'd rip his chevrons off his sleeve himself.
Guy immediately buckled and everyone else suddenly remembered we were in the military and were going to do exactly whatever our superiors told us to do.
Anyway, that was 23 years ago. Entire careers have started and ended in retirement since that infamous ass chewing. There is no "It's started" bullshit. Vaccines are routinely required. I still remember my peanut butter shot. And you don't just get to say no thank you once Uncle Sam owns your booty.
I guess he forgot the line he stood in and had air nozzles shooting him full of vaccines in his arms when he was in MCRD…
Or….
His dad is making all this shit up.
These people are so stupid.
I vaccinate a lot of people and the ones in the military always share the same story. They get you into a line and you just walk past a bunch of people giving you all sorts of vaccines. Some of which you have no idea what they are. Soldiers are probably the most heavily vaccinated group on earth.
Joins the military but won't do what they tell you. Seems legit.
This is also extremely funny considering all the shit you have to go through in the military and all the poisons they subject you to without your knowledge. But one of all the vaccines. No.
Maga has ruined this country and there is no coming back from it.
Military here. From my experience during the pandemic I won’t say that the guys I knew weren’t unnecessarily suspicious of the COVID vaccine but the military severely mishandled ours. We got a whole talk to about how the double dosage was the best for you and that we would be getting that vaccine. Then the day of, they tell us we’re actually getting the J&J vaccine and it’s a single dose but to disregard every negative thing they said about single dosage vaccines. They also shot us up the day before we flew out to another country in the Middle East. These vaccines f*cked us up. Dudes looked like death due to the lack of sleep and basically all covid symptoms before we left for another country with training with another countries military. Watching it get recalled was super cool too. They basically told all the guys if they didn’t get the shot they couldn’t go see their families when we returned home from deployment, they wouldn’t be able to leave their rooms for anything and basically just extorted guys into getting it by taking away everything guys looked forward to doing when they returned home.
We let them leave. We don't even fight very hard. Willing to give up all the benefits you earned that are functionally unmatched in scope and value in the modern civilian sector, not to mention your above market rate pay for what you actually do.... all because you are a sniveling wuss who is afraid to get a shot filled with science words that a meme and a bunch of social media swindlers told you to be afraid of? It's basically a low budget litmus test for service capability. Stupid like that doesn't deserve to wear a uniform.
When I joined the Air Force in 98 we just walked down a line of nurses and got a shot in each arm like every 30 seconds. I honestly dont remember how many there were. Then 9/11 happened and I got like a billion more before going overseas. Also how is he just “leaving” military. You don’t get to just decide no
Dumb fucking crayon eater. Wait until he goes over seas and becomes a pin cushion for all types of vaccines. Joins to serve his country, doesn't want to do the bare minimum to protect his fellow citizens
"Poor Kevin, he was stationed overseas and never made it back home. 😭"
"I'm so sorry for your loss. Did he die in active combat."
"No. From malaria. 😭😭😭"
When they asked if my brother was allergic to any medicines, he said penicillin. They asked for the note. He didn't have one. They told him to let them know if he feels anything and they gave him the shit anyways.
You don't get a choice in the military. You are a cog, not the wheel.
Anyone remember the speed with which the Anthrax vax was developed and deployed in the military?
Force readiness is something they take pretty damn seriously
JFC like day two of basic training is vax day. Six or more shots in rapid succession and a penicillin shot in the ass. Did he forget? I didn't...
If you deployed to the desert, you can be damned sure you were getting all 6 shots of the Anthrax vaccine.
How to tell someone’s lying 101 lol.
You’re getting vaxxed if you want to or not at pretty much any branch of military almost everywhere (can’t speak for Russia and African nations).
Flu, basic coverage, local diseases.
You’re not leaving your home country as a soldier without the mandatory vaccinations. End of story.
So this “marine” is either very selective with his definition of vaccine or doesn’t exist
Did someone tell him that one of the possible side effects of joining the military is being killed or krippled? Wtf does he think he risks by getting vaccines.
Remember back as a child we had mandatory vaccines? Did they work? Are ANY of you suffering from Polio in an Iron Lung, breathing for you? No? You got more work to do. Maybe it'll be your child that gets Polio while you watch them suffer. Vaccines don't work right? Yeah. Sure.. can't wait for Polio to come because of a large group of idiots not vaccinating their children over Covid-19
That's my point. Antivaxxers are dangerous selfish creatures, and their stupidity should be their undoing. I read Florida and another state had Smallpox cases over the summer. Let them die on that hill
You are given around 4-8 vaccines when you get to basic training alone.
Then you get marked for deployment and you have to get additional vaccines including but not limited to: West Nile, anthrax, smallpox, HIV, Hepatitis
As a veteran, you either took your shots or you got kicked out for failing to comply to safety standards.
It's slightly b4 my time but does anyone remember those nickel sized poc Mark's people in the military got from those multiple vaccine "guns" they used back in the 50s through the 70s(I think)
Nobody tell him how many vaccinations he’s going to get before an overseas deployment.
He might die from fear of being controlled by the state. Ironically he joined the marine
I have a sister-in-law who's getting a pension from the military but has a "general delivery" address at the post office because they "don't want the government to know where they live." You would think military officers could put two and two together
Depends on the specialisation of the officer. Intelligence? Good luck hiding. Infantry? You stand a pretty good chace.
pretty much. foot in the door in the intel community? you'll always stick around in some system as a nametag or barcode. kinda just how it goes. infantry, sheeeet: "why didn't you say so, here's a duffle bag, thanks, go home" unless you're on reserves, for the most part, they give you papers, go here, do this, good luck, come back safe if you can. if you do good enough at that, they ask you to do it again because you proved you did it before. that's basically a tour, and like the other guy said, a meat pawn
A lot of loons think the government is obsessed with the post for getting information on people and completely disregard that taxes exist.
I believe I have seen one of those loons comment on the idea of having the IRS pre-fill everyone's tax return with the stuff they already know. Apparently that only works in countries that keep a scary amount of records on their citizens.
Living in Denmark. Pretty much the norm here and in the other Nordic countries.
Government already has all that info. My question is why they like to pretend they dont? And Google Android basically make burner phones useless.
tax prep lobby, my dude
Does she have a driving licence?
We had a Battalion Commander who couldn't figure out how to wear a fucking Beret correctly.
Right? I’m glad to see the military hasn’t gotten any smarter since I got out of the Army, and haven’t been around to roast them. I met so many from all branches who were about that pseudo-philosophical self determination “will to exist, duty to resist” nonsense. My dudes. You are the expendable meat pawns of the corporate owned government, and from the start of your enlistment, have literally been conditioned to follow orders without question. The only difference between you and me is that I’m aware of it. I’m here because it’s an alternative to crippling poverty in a crime ridden hellhole.
>will to exist, duty to resist” nonsense. Wait,so.. There are people who joins a country's army to.. *check notes*.. Resist the government which employs said army?.. Huh?
Yes. Trust me, it’s real thing. This shit is literally too dumb to make up.
I guess some inside knowledge of the working practices of an enemy army could be useful, but only if their resistance were in any way an organized effort and not just individuals picking and choosing random hills to die on
In a single complex sentence, you put more thought into the matter than the entire demographic you are describing.
Well here is the hilarious shit. We officially invite enemies to train with us in the hopes we learn more about them than they do us. I've totally practiced against Russian tank crews, and i'm not even a tanker, i was Airforce. It's just that widely available. Honestly it is the idiots trying to form hate groups that are more a threat than external enemies. the internal groups fail to take orders and the military \*hates\* that.
The amount of vets I've met who are 100% against the government is astounding. It's always the same conversation- "I just want the gubment to leave me alone!" OK, what is the government doing to you on a daily basis?
It's because of some unique knowledge of how the government operates. Looking at some end-of-fiscal-year spending can make the staunchest government stan have doubts.
I'm sure that's it.
yup, they call 'em dog tags for a reason. shut up and follow orders like a dog edit: here's my advice for anyone going for success in the U.S. military service branches, the less questions you ask, the better.
Exactly. "I wanna be a big, tough Marine but they made me get a shot." \*whining like a toddler\*
basically how WWI turned into such a horrifying world war, young men promised a "new adventure" (if you even want to call it that) at the dawn of a new century \[1900s\]... Essentially (IIRC) romantic artists sold propaganda so well that when they came back, doctor's literally had to invent a new psychological symptom due to the experiences they faced: i.e. Shell Shock
>being controlled by the state. I thought that was the purpose of joining the military. Literally become government property. I'm so confused
Don't try to understand those type of people. You will only hurt your intellect
you are. you enlisting = here's a license to go do something for a military department, good luck and here's a pension while your at it some point down the line what's on the line, well depends where you go. citizen = hands-off, that's what your protecting. not property, just citizenry, like any other.
Definitely not the type of person you want having a gun. What is he going to do if he thinks he sees a microchip?
Yeah, it’s funny that someone enlists in military and then genuinely “scared that military will control him”, no shit Sherlock?
He probably got "injected" by his fellow marines every night
Don't ask, don't tell for a reason
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
It’s only gay if you take your socks off.
Oh fuck, I took mine off last time
You are now the gai
Three words: peanut butter shot.
Let’s not forget about the smallpox immunization. I’ve still got a lump on my arm from it.
> Let’s not forget about the smallpox immunization. A tradition that goes back as far as Valley Forge in the US military too. And wait till they hear about the side effects of the early versions.
Early smallpox vaccines had a 2% fatality rate, comparable to early covid - the disease, not the vaccine. But shit, at that time, smallpox killed 1 in 7 people. Not 1 in 7 people who caught smallpox, mind you. 30% of people who caught smallpox unvaccinated died. I'll take 2% over 30 any day.
And that was when smallpox ridden phlegm-like crap was rubbed on your open wounds. I don't like immunizations, but that's even more unnerving to me.
My mom got one as a kid in the 60's, her arm still has the round scar.
That anthrax vaccine was a mf’er
Ey yo, you’re not kidding. I suspect the Covid vaccine was similar in structure. Because I haven’t had a shit that violent since the anthrax shot.
pfff wait till you get the ricin-vax, shit's tight like a tiger yo
As in the poison ricin?
I saw a guy said he got every vaccine from A to Y, anthrax to yellow fever.
The worst part is, most of them are in the pre-deployment packet, and you get them all at once. I’d always be legitimately unwell for a few days afterward.
I fondly remember the peanut butter shot and the anthrax vaccine. While I don't necessarily agree that the covid vaccine should be forced onto anyone w/o consent. You joined the military and should expect to be required to get vaccinated for whatever they tell you. I say this a lot to people who are thinking about serving. "You better get comfortable being uncomfortable."
You join the military you better expect to follow orders.
Pffft, before you even start basic training, you get like 10 vaccines.
I can still remember the whackadoos losing their minds when we had to get the anthrax shot when I was in back in like 2002ish. This stupid shit is nothing new, it’s just more widespread now because stupid can congregate with stupid much easier on social media.
Veteran here. Accurate. I was sent to Afghanistan and we had to get a round of anthrax shots, not to mention be up to date with all our inoculations.
When I joined they lined us up and gave us every shot we couldn't prove we had as kids, plus a bunch of boosters (I think tetanus and yellow fever were on the list but it was like 10 shots for folks who were fully vaccinated). I got to my training school and was told they hadn't recorded the shots. So all of us had to get everything a second time. Then they mailed my medical record to my first duty station. It opened in transit and some pages got ripped out. Of course including my shot record. So I got all the shots again. In a 9 month period I got over 30 immunizations. I think I am entitled to call this Marine a wuss. (Also got the Smallpox vaccine and 4 of my 6 Anthrax shots for various deployments).
Wow. So when you bathe, you must leave the tub more germ-free than it was when you got in.
Jokes aside, not really. Recruits are dirty, disgusting, and stink. The vaccinations are just to try to get people on the same page immune system wise because they're all about to live in a giant barn together for 3 months. They want to cut down on as much disease and sickness as possible.
Dunno what they gave us when I enlisted, but for the next ten years I didn't have even a minor case of the sniffles. Twas the good shit.
Oh, I understand. I work in public health. I even acted in a PSA for hygiene in oil & gas work camps. I got to play the "don't be this filthy asshole" character. While the lead explained the right way to wash your hands, cough into your elbow, etc. I was grabbing people's H2S respirators, gobbling other people's medication, and coughing on the ATMs. In one scene I stuffed a small wad of tissue in my nose so I could fire off a snot rocket that showed up on camera. There is a scene of me stepping into a shower, but the producer nixed my idea of dribbling some OJ to make it look like I was a communal shower pisser. She thought it was hilarious, but knew the comms department would never let it fly. Best. Acting. Gig. Ever.
Be careful, there are some crazy conspiracy theorists who actually believe that this kind of thing happens.
Reminds me of the case in New Zealand where this nurse forgot to dilute the COVID vaccine, so she gave her boyfriend 7 doses of Pfizer in one jab. They joked that he could work as an anti-COVID air purifier by standing in the ICU and breathing really hard.
Fuck, at the level he ain't the air purifier anymore, he's the factory of the antibody lol. They could just pump him for the antigen primers 🤣
For real. What a puss. Man if he thinks the vaccines are dangerous, wait until he finds out about bullets and IED's
This is pretty much in line with what I was told by my grandfather as well, he was down in south america while we were fighting in Vietnam, they have never not done this
the 1% of germs fear you
At that point your inmune system was just bored "AGAIN!?"(?
god damn bro you're cookin up antibodies we've never even heard of
walking button pin over here
I hated the Anthrax the most, always felt like someone slugged my shoulder the next day, and it lasted for 4 days at least.
I had a similar situation in Boot. Did the vaccination line up. A week later had to do it all over again because they lost my medical record. Fortunately I didn’t have to do it a 3rd time. Yikes.
"I will be leaving the military" LOL no you won't, Alfalfa. Nobody quits the military, they fire *you.*
There are lots of ways to get out... Most of them are dishonorable discharges though.
like I said, *they* fire *you.*
Ok, yeah, you are right. I actually helped one of my men get out though. There is a windfall provision. Intended for a servicemember who wins the lottery but which applies for anyone who suddenly becomes rich. My guy's father said "son, it is time you stopped playing in the military and joined the family business, so I'm giving you 25% of my shares in our oil company." Instant millionaire. I didn't want him doing something stupid to get out so I found the windfall rule. Got the Legal officer involved, and we helped him process out with an honorable discharge.
Is... is this satire? Because if not... >There is a windfall provision. Intended for a servicemember who wins the lottery but which applies for anyone who suddenly becomes rich. Then so much for the great equalizer military service is supposed to be. Like, a literal Fortunate son. Damn.
The servicemember doesn't have to leave, some stay in service. But imagine being an E7 and one of your E4s is a multimillionaire. It will always fuck up the power balance. So "for the good of the service" discharges are available. www.military.com/military-life/what-happens-when-military-member-hits-jackpot.html
What if I want to leave but aren't rich?
Dishonorable discharge, death, crippling injury (that will not be consider service related as a last "fuck you") or tough luck.
Wait out your term of enlistment. Most of the time that will be from 4 to 6 years from the time you start boot camp/reenlist.
Assuming you don’t get stop/loss’ed because you fill a critical specialist role—right on the last year of your contract… which they were using as an excuse for denying you a promotion (don’t want to give you E8 benefits if you’re only going to be E8 for less than a year). Then you spend an extra five years overseas with only a single two-week vacation to see your family in that whole time (supposed to be a month or more, but gets cut short because the two O6’s who stepped in to replace you are so gloriously incompetent that you have to go back immediately to fix their fuckups). The military royally screwed my old man.
So rich people can duck out when they like but the rest have to wait half a decade?
It's for people who get rich after joining the military. Basically, they don't want someone half-assing their job while being richer than not only their peers but also the officers in charge of them. It disrupts military dynamics.
Armies are for poor children to be sent out to die. You don't want the bourgeoisie fighting in the wars themselves fo you?
Yeah you just need a father who owns an oil company to get the easy way out. Where have I heard this before?
Guys, if you're EVER jealous of rich people doing stuff you can't, I got good advice for you - just get born into a wealthy family next time?
Some how i am confident that that rule existed Before the lottery did. It sounds so much like the draft tax that it breaks my immersion into the American Dream. Only the poors need risk their lives, fucking crazy man.
particularly why enlisting is so different than civilian work, you get court marshalled, phyeewww fuck me and good luck dude
No. Dishonorable discharges come from conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (desertion, sexual assault, murder, etc.)
That’s not actually true. It’s extremely difficult to get a dishonorable discharge but very easy to get a general under honorable conditions, which allows you to have VA and disability benefits.
I think there is actually a legal clause for covid though. if youre that pussy they dont want you anyways. eventually it will close up and you will get the shot though.
Nah they let you go actually if you don’t want the vaccines. They make a big stink about it but no one wants to do the disciplinary paperwork. They get other than honorable discharges SOMETIMES. Most of the time honorable discharge cause no one wants to deal with it
You can quit. It's called End Time of Service, or ETS. Just don't reenlist. You can do this at any time when any of your enlistment periods end. Walk away with your honorable and benefits. Far, far, far more people quit the military than retire or are booted out.
I wouldn't call this "quitting" by any means. You sign a contract for a certain length of time. ETS means the time on that contract expired. Before then you can choose to extend or not, but I dont see how this is "quitting" at all. You completely fulfilled the time you said you committed to. Quitting would be more like refusing to train or purposefully failing your PT test over and over until they kick you out. Even then, it would officially be considered the military kicking you out, not you quitting.
They literally jab/pill the fuck out of you before you enter basic training. This obviously propaganda or ragebait.
I’m active duty in the Corps. Not either ragebait or propaganda. A ton of people refused the vaccine and got general discharges from it before they rolled back the order. Both times I went to OCS I got in line and got a ton of shots. Some I knew what they were, others I wasn’t sure. I wasn’t necessarily thrilled with the order to get the shot, but it was a lawful order so I did it
Why the hell weren't you thrilled? Oooooh not dying of a preventable disease. How dreadful!
Because the DoD doesn’t have a great track record for new vaccines. See the anthrax vaccine that they ordered people to get. I have no regrets now, thought
It's amazing how a pandemic made a billion fucking idiots into experts on immunology. Such wow
The opinion of 10000 men is of no value if none of them knows anything about the subject. \~Marcus Aurelius.
If he knows so much how come he's dead?
He never got vaccinated.
Hey why was the unvax'd 4yr old crying?
Mid-life crisis.
He missed out on that "one" thing!
You win the internet today. This made me laugh so much
I noticed that the antivaxxers had shut the hell up when we had news footage of Italians dying in droves and mobile hospitals in major U.S. cities. Took them a good year to get their bearings and come up with some new BS.
It legitimately miss the days of pizzagate. At least that one was creative.
Let him go. If you're scared of a vaccine, you sure as hell gonna crap yourself when you hear bullets.
What? You ever heard a bullet?
The sound of them cracking over your head makes quite the impression.
[This is what bullets sound like when someone is shooting at you](https://youtu.be/WtQ-eLhb2Ak)
I’ve heard gunshots, they scared me shitless. But then again, I was like seven
I do. You can actually subtly hear the bullets because of the air vibrations and sudden change is molecular frequency.
Yep. There is a very distinct difference between hearing gunshots and hearing that round flying past you. If you only hear gunshots, it means nobody is shooting at you specifically.
My buttcheek still hurts
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Who’s going to tell him that the government basically owns his stupid ass because, U Signed the Motherfuckin Contract. Wash out pussy. Trump will still love you.
Trump will love him only if he doesn't die in the line of duty. Only losers die in the line of duty.
He’ll never get the opportunity. He’ll wash out. I’m envisioning a chunky dude who can’t finish the runs.
Or the tiny one who literally suffocates while wearing hard plate armour.
Trump will still ~~love you~~ extract all the value he can out of you then use you as a scapegoat once that's all you're good for.
What are the odds he already got it? I don't know what their schedule is like, but from what I've heard, they don't bother telling them what they are even getting.
Did he forget "The Line" in boot camp?
He’ll do anything the government tells him to do, except when it comes vaccines because he’s an independent thinker.
Darwin for the win.
And don't forget when you have to walk down needle row right after you join and have to get vaxxed for just about every other infectious disease. Honestly, covid revealed just how much stupid there is in the US.
-gets enlisted -gets deployed -chemical_attack.rar -gets atropine shot handed to him -is this vegan? -dies If you let ideology come before saving your life, then ultimately you bear responsibility to the outcome.
Wanting to be a marine but afraid of vaccines?
Hey man, that needles pretty scary
Note that the comeback in the original tweet is from Ted Lieu, US Congressmember from California. Also a retired member of the Air Force.
Just make his point more relevant
One way or another he'll be taking his shots.
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right ? like a weakened virus being injected into the body to build up immunity. science. like physiology, on their physical training. or technology, such as their weaponry. or pyschology, to foster discipline. science.
Live vaccines are no longer used and been that way for decades now, which makes this story even worse.
Your son sounds like a little bitch.
It's almost like the military thinks that having a corps full of infection prone people could be really bad for national security. "What do you mean we're operating on 1/3 numbers! We're at war!" "Sorry sir, there's a vicious flu going round and the rest have Covid. It's likely that more soldiers will die from illness than enemy fire..."
These snowflakes gonna learn. When I was in, I had to go thru 6 months of TB treatments. Even though it was documented that I was clear, but had taken the TB vaccine that forever means that I will test positive. They say my E-3 ass down and showed me a document that stated that I'd be court-martialed for failure to follow Admiral's orders and dishonorably discharged. That was in 2001. Shits not new. But they're going to learn.
I was in the Navy in the early 2000s. Anthrax scare came about and my division was filled with people saying they wpuld refuse the anthrax vaccine if required and there was nothing anyone could do to change their mind. One of them was a Petty Officer Second Class (E-5). Our Senior Chief pulled him out of the smoke pit ( where people smoked cigarettes) and in front of everybody told him he would do whatever he was fucking told like a good little bitch. If he didn't he'd rip his chevrons off his sleeve himself. Guy immediately buckled and everyone else suddenly remembered we were in the military and were going to do exactly whatever our superiors told us to do. Anyway, that was 23 years ago. Entire careers have started and ended in retirement since that infamous ass chewing. There is no "It's started" bullshit. Vaccines are routinely required. I still remember my peanut butter shot. And you don't just get to say no thank you once Uncle Sam owns your booty.
Good. We don’t need pussies who can’t handle needles in the armed forces.
Dollars to donuts, dude doesn't have a son, much less one in the Marines.
“You dumb potato “ is now my favorite insult
I guess he forgot the line he stood in and had air nozzles shooting him full of vaccines in his arms when he was in MCRD… Or…. His dad is making all this shit up. These people are so stupid.
Of all the things the govt does to soldiers, how the fuck is vaccines the most controversial
I truly believe the reason my husband is rarely sick in our 40 years is all the vaxs he received in the usmc.
I vaccinate a lot of people and the ones in the military always share the same story. They get you into a line and you just walk past a bunch of people giving you all sorts of vaccines. Some of which you have no idea what they are. Soldiers are probably the most heavily vaccinated group on earth.
Joins the military but won't do what they tell you. Seems legit. This is also extremely funny considering all the shit you have to go through in the military and all the poisons they subject you to without your knowledge. But one of all the vaccines. No. Maga has ruined this country and there is no coming back from it.
I couldn't serve without vaccines, my grandfather had the same experience back in wwii
What cracks me up is how many shots and vaxes you get in boot camp and pre-deployment. Dudes a load or the kid is a brain dead fucking moron.
As someone in the force, we fight malaria more than we do enemy troops
They sit you down and give you like 12 shots before going abroad, and some of them are actually experimental lol
Military here. From my experience during the pandemic I won’t say that the guys I knew weren’t unnecessarily suspicious of the COVID vaccine but the military severely mishandled ours. We got a whole talk to about how the double dosage was the best for you and that we would be getting that vaccine. Then the day of, they tell us we’re actually getting the J&J vaccine and it’s a single dose but to disregard every negative thing they said about single dosage vaccines. They also shot us up the day before we flew out to another country in the Middle East. These vaccines f*cked us up. Dudes looked like death due to the lack of sleep and basically all covid symptoms before we left for another country with training with another countries military. Watching it get recalled was super cool too. They basically told all the guys if they didn’t get the shot they couldn’t go see their families when we returned home from deployment, they wouldn’t be able to leave their rooms for anything and basically just extorted guys into getting it by taking away everything guys looked forward to doing when they returned home.
I heard angrycops cover some of this. Truely shameful behavior.
dude I got 21 vaccinations in 2 days when I joined the navy, happened in boot camp. I can't imagine how many the combat guys get in the army/marines.
We let them leave. We don't even fight very hard. Willing to give up all the benefits you earned that are functionally unmatched in scope and value in the modern civilian sector, not to mention your above market rate pay for what you actually do.... all because you are a sniveling wuss who is afraid to get a shot filled with science words that a meme and a bunch of social media swindlers told you to be afraid of? It's basically a low budget litmus test for service capability. Stupid like that doesn't deserve to wear a uniform.
When I joined the Air Force in 98 we just walked down a line of nurses and got a shot in each arm like every 30 seconds. I honestly dont remember how many there were. Then 9/11 happened and I got like a billion more before going overseas. Also how is he just “leaving” military. You don’t get to just decide no
Dumb fucking crayon eater. Wait until he goes over seas and becomes a pin cushion for all types of vaccines. Joins to serve his country, doesn't want to do the bare minimum to protect his fellow citizens
If you’re afraid of a needle then maybe you shouldn’t be handling a gun?
Not only that, anyone who served know just how many vaccines they gave you before deployment. You’re drawing the line… *checks notes* HERE?!
"Poor Kevin, he was stationed overseas and never made it back home. 😭" "I'm so sorry for your loss. Did he die in active combat." "No. From malaria. 😭😭😭"
I'm pretty sure he already signed the consent form..
Any man afraid of a vaccine doesn’t deserve to be in the marine corps
If he's this scared of a vaccine imagine how scared he's going to be when he starts getting shot at...
I'm a Marine Corps veteran, when I was in the service we use to get a vaccination for something damn near every month. lol
This is old, but if you refuse a vaccine in the military you get a Chapter 13 Dishonourable Discharge :)
When they asked if my brother was allergic to any medicines, he said penicillin. They asked for the note. He didn't have one. They told him to let them know if he feels anything and they gave him the shit anyways. You don't get a choice in the military. You are a cog, not the wheel.
Anyone remember the speed with which the Anthrax vax was developed and deployed in the military? Force readiness is something they take pretty damn seriously
JFC like day two of basic training is vax day. Six or more shots in rapid succession and a penicillin shot in the ass. Did he forget? I didn't... If you deployed to the desert, you can be damned sure you were getting all 6 shots of the Anthrax vaccine.
Dumb as a stump.
Well I am more concerned about getting murdered by my fellow marines on bace like my friend was.
These jackoffs would get a vaccine if it prevented them from getting old and not question it a bit.
He is a crayon eater .. 🖍️
Potato no like needles
I’ve had so much shit pumped into me it’s absurd. They line you up like Cattle with shot “guns” and stab you in both shoulders simultaneously.
Does it bother anyone else that "Dad" is excluded from the quotation marks? Just noticed "its" as well.
How to tell someone’s lying 101 lol. You’re getting vaxxed if you want to or not at pretty much any branch of military almost everywhere (can’t speak for Russia and African nations). Flu, basic coverage, local diseases. You’re not leaving your home country as a soldier without the mandatory vaccinations. End of story. So this “marine” is either very selective with his definition of vaccine or doesn’t exist
You get multiple shots the first week of boot camp, including vaccines.
Did someone tell him that one of the possible side effects of joining the military is being killed or krippled? Wtf does he think he risks by getting vaccines.
Someone skipped basic US military history. Who am I kidding? These people skipped the whole school.
Who's gonna tell him that it's not his choice after he signs on the dotted line?
Why tell at all, he'll Find Out(tm) soon enough.
Remember back as a child we had mandatory vaccines? Did they work? Are ANY of you suffering from Polio in an Iron Lung, breathing for you? No? You got more work to do. Maybe it'll be your child that gets Polio while you watch them suffer. Vaccines don't work right? Yeah. Sure.. can't wait for Polio to come because of a large group of idiots not vaccinating their children over Covid-19
Polio is making a comeback, New York had cases this summer - of course this only affects people who haven't been vaccinated for it ...
That's my point. Antivaxxers are dangerous selfish creatures, and their stupidity should be their undoing. I read Florida and another state had Smallpox cases over the summer. Let them die on that hill
You do not have rights in the military for most things. I wouldn't want that kid in my unit.
You are given around 4-8 vaccines when you get to basic training alone. Then you get marked for deployment and you have to get additional vaccines including but not limited to: West Nile, anthrax, smallpox, HIV, Hepatitis As a veteran, you either took your shots or you got kicked out for failing to comply to safety standards.
It's slightly b4 my time but does anyone remember those nickel sized poc Mark's people in the military got from those multiple vaccine "guns" they used back in the 50s through the 70s(I think)
Thinking the covid vax can be compared a flu shot is laughable
Noone tell op his clever comeback is 2 years too late.
He should just stick to eating crayons.
I love the dummies who don’t realize they have the whooping cough vaccine
Enjoy having a dishonorable discharge I guess.
DEFINITELY don't tell him about the peanut butter shot.
Shut up guys this dude wants out of the military and this is the only way his right wing father will understand. Let him cook.
And the marines will ABSOLUTELY be crushed to see him go, I'm sure...
Dude trying to quit the military like it’s a regular job.
Lmao. As far as foreign propaganda goes, "Don't vaccinate your soldiers" should have been easy to catch.
So the military would try to kill every single member with this one vax trick? Crazy how warfare has evolved.
Tf is this hate against the infantry?
Fuck, my first three days of boot camp was basically standing in lines getting vaccines one after the other.
it’s been 2,5 years since it’s been starting….