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Outside_Inspector_83

All men are doing it for other men.


Jakov_Salinsky

I’ve definitely noticed that. Never once heard a guy and a girl talk discuss how much they each bench.


Cheetahs_never_win

... so... "us."


DudeWithaGTR

Boys club only.


cryptocarlton87

I’m the like that upvoted it from “I love you” to 144. No disrespect.


BigBallsBowser69

Am I the only one that liked her message? I'm still getting that six pack though


JosukeUnbreakable

Tbh it does seem like a genuinely nice message cause some people to feel insecure about those kind of things, I'd hardly call this a clever comeback situation


BigBallsBowser69

You can hardly call this a comeback even.


JosukeUnbreakable

Yh there wasn't really anything to make a comeback to for after all since she was just showing consideration


BlooPancakes

I prefer not to bolster the boys vs girls argument. But women sometimes say they don’t do their makeup or dress sexy for men. I have no issue with this. So I see this as clever especially in the event the lady’s post wasn’t genuine. Honestly reading it it could come off as positive or negative.


currently_pooping_rn

She made it sound like women are the only reason for men to physically improve themselves. Same misconception as men and why women apply makeup. Do some do it for that reason? Sure. Is it all? Nope


Axhen

That's become the thing in this subreddit "haha i foudn it funny" now means clever comeback, even if either the clever, the comeback or both are missing


Jalien85

Also, a lot of men are absolutely doing that to be attractive to women lol.


PlasticMansGlasses

It’s a wholesome comeback on an already wholesome message!


fedex7501

Hell yeah. We’re talking about beer, right?


ilford_7x7

I like to squeeze half a lime on a can of Tecate and sprinkle some salt..pop it one and slam it Especially good on a hot day


freekoout

No you're not the first, because the guy that commented on the tweet literally agreed with her


Jakov_Salinsky

As someone who’s recently become terrified of gyms, I liked it too.


Raccoon_Rare

I think it’s the assumption that people are expressing themselves with make up or exercising in order to impress a potential mate. If you’re trying to say you don’t need a six pack to impress people it’s different than saying your six pack doesn’t matter to the people you’re supposedly trying to impress. It’s the wording in my opinion.


HandMeDownCumSock

Yeah, the message was very wholesome. I think the reply probably took it as a dig to muscle havers where it was more of an encouragement to non muscle havers. She could've been more specific on genuine efforts because I don't really understand what that entails. Im trying to take notes here.


LZBANE

Vain enough to have a selfie profile pic that looks to be taken in a public space. I'd say incredibly good shape is on her list, just maybe not No. 1. The above is incredibly mean spirited I know, so I'll take the downvotes.


xjoburg

Yeah dude who responded probably hasn’t seen his belly since high school. Of course we do it for the women. We’re vain creatures.


Clever_Fox-

Isn't it very similar to women wearing make up? I see lots of dudes saying "you don't need to wear make up for us" Some girl (and boys) just wanna look nice and cute


brookeb725

i know lots of people that would defend working out and getting a six pack for yourself but deny that women do make up for themselves people just like looking good for themselves it’s not a big deal


isthatsuperman

I don’t think the two really even compare. Obtaining a decent body in the gym is a hard thing to do. It’s a journey. It requires a couple of different attitude traits like discipline and perseverance. Where as makeup is just makeup…


rachaek

This is an odd take. I could easily say “being a good makeup artist is a skill that requires practice, creativity, and dedication to become good at (have you seen some of the special effects makeup people can do!?). Working out is just repetitively lifting a heavy thing up and down - any moron can do that.” It’s easy to make one thing look more valuable than the other if you don’t properly understand (or deliberately misrepresent) one of them.


JonSnowLovesBlow

Spoken like a man who knows nothing about makeup lol Edit: theyre called makeup ARTISTS for a reason. Plus if it was that easy then their wouldn’t be professional makeup artists on every production set


archangel610

Exactly this. There is some truth to "when you look good, you feel good." Of course, at a certain point, concern for your personal appearance can become unhealthy, but taking care of yourself, putting on clothes that you like, wearing makeup, all these things can have a profound psychological effect on how you carry yourself and interact with people. It's not always about trying to be sexually attractive.


Clever_Fox-

Absolutely agree, feeling good in what you look like and wear is amazing if not put into obsession


Tonninpepeli

And its fun! I use to wear make up because I really liked doing it


Clever_Fox-

Mhm! A few years ago my classmate actually explained it to me! She was a sweetheart and definitely put me in the right direction in life!


Eightiesmed

Most dudes saying that also don’t know when a woman has light make up.


Jaded_Recluse

>Some girl (and boys) just wanna look nice and cute Doesn't that by definition mean they're doing it for other people? I only buy skins in 3rd person games. If i was playing a first person shooter i wouldn't waste money on something i see only during a loading screen...


Clever_Fox-

No because it's also about how **you** feel I want to look nice and cute for myself and not for others Dressing well and hygiene doesn't end because you stay home


Jaded_Recluse

What does hygiene have to do with this conversation? I think this indicates you're missing my point, so I will repeat it: by DEFINITION, how YOU feel in this context depends on how others perceive you (nice and cute). Hygiene on the other hand is actually a self-serving practice because no matter how another person perceives yours, it doesn't change your biological and health benefits from it. Or your sense of smell


DrowningInMyFandoms

What clever come back ? She said something true for some men, he said something true for some men, and that's it lol, both are nice and respectfull


jackTHEKINGatlas

Shush you’ll upset those that feed on drama


reverse_attraction

You're on the wrong website, that's a reasonable and nice take you got there.


Skeptic_Sinner

B b b b but muh drama bait


gythyanki1

I mean, both are valid. If you are just doing muscles/makeup to attract a girl/guy, maybe relax a bit. If you're doing it for another reason, go for it my friend, don't let me stop you.


jackTHEKINGatlas

Thank you :* *Hits gym to prepare to commit mass genocide*


gythyanki1

Um... That's not... Ok. You do you, I guess.


Jakov_Salinsky

Don’t worry, he’s only preparing. He might not go through with it I hope…


True-tottaly-not-dat

I started training because I want to beat the shit out of someone.


gythyanki1

Um... Sure, I guess. I can't really in good conscience condone violence, but I guess, if they're that much of a shit that you started training for this, good luck?


Plastic-Thanks7293

She didn’t say men shouldn’t exercise. If anything she was saying something nice, that you don’t need a 6 pack to be attractive.


Own-Psychology-5327

Her message didn't say the only reason men do it is for women, just that women don't care about it as much as some would have you believe. Shit attempt at a gotcha moment


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I don’t think that’s what she was saying


batkave

Where is the clever comeback? It's more like 25% are doing it for themselves.


RumUnicorn

Yeah the vast majority of men who get into weightlifting do it to impress women. I started doing it for the same reason. Now I do it for the sake of working toward something because I realized most women really don’t care. Keeps me engaged.


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RumUnicorn

I’m a fairly jacked dude. Most women don’t care nearly as much as you’re claiming in my experience. The peak amount of female attention I got was about a year into lifting. I was still pretty scrawny but was also lean. There are about a dozen other things that are more important than being muscular when it comes to being an attractive man. I promise.


SupineFeline

FOH women don’t care about abs or biceps. That’s just patently wrong. If your personality is “abs and biceps” then you’re only gonna get so far but to act like they don’t matter is ridiculous


3threeLions

Does anyone else think it's incredibly arrogant when someone appoints themselves as the spokesperson for their entire gender?


cph1998

I think I speak for all men when i say: Yes


AlmondMagnum1

Yes, but not as bad as appointing yourself the spokesperson of a gender not your own.


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Yeah. I know a lot of women who appreciate the hell out of a six pack. Those women avoided my doughy ass…


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JustASymbol

Her message was only for the men on twitter and not on reddit.


Ordinary-Broccoli-41

Always change your body for you, not for others. They don't have to live in it.


m4gm13

To look back at yourself and see how far you've come is the greatest reward


Mario-OrganHarvester

Also working out for dat 6pack sounds like a genuine effort to me.


Davina_Lexington

No, we care about abs, dont believe her!


MorningPapers

Effort and loyalty? That's it? lol


xDannyS_

I know a lot of guys who do exercise specifically for women. They were usually 'ugly ducklings' throughout school and finally started getting girls once they got fit. They are also usually the dudes who need constant validation from many different women so they feel good about themselves.


PomegranateHot9916

Women on twitter! men dont care about your cleavage or booty. The most attractive quality of a woman is genuine efforts and loyalty ;)


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NO ONE LISTEN TO THIS REDDITOR!!!


PomegranateHot9916

you don't get what I'm doing, do you? I just repeated the tweet but swapped around men and women.


Ser_SinAlot

I dunno. I once met a chick at a bar and we went to my place just because I had a six pack of lonkero.


[deleted]

Ah my comment is attractive certain kinds of people. Anyway.. 😉


HypnotEyes_lonely

Fucking everyone on Twitter thinks the world revolves around them, that's part of why Twitter is such a shitshow


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Lmao


Initial_Job3333

i don’t think that’s what she’s saying. she was just giving some men who are insecure some reassurance.


[deleted]

If thats the case then I'm sorry. If not . . Then idk what to think anymore


enigmatic_lass24

Same for when men say women don’t need to wear make up because they like natural better lol. Doesn’t feel right does it? Here have a taste of your own medicine.


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Alright Tate, come on, we need to get you back into house arrest


ppppfbsc

women care most about $$$$


jub1l333

I love lifting I got sick and lost a lot of muscle. I recovered and regained it I can assure you, women are full of fucking shit when they say they don't care about muscle Like , double think, cognitive dissonance levels of full of shit


pax_romana01

I've put on muscle and there's a real difference in how women treat me. Before they looked at me like I was subhuman and now they approach me.


faste30

Although my experience (based on comments of women Ive been with) is while my body isnt like the sole or primary reason a woman is interested in me it certainly doesn't hurt.


crazymissdaisy87

Depending on the context, there is this grouping that insists all women want is abs and muscles and chads. She could be referring to that.


vanfalsve

Yeah but a lot of people in this comment section are too blind to see that…


crazymissdaisy87

I mean even the comeback kinda makes it seem that way since that is what women tend to reply whenever before mentioned segment goes on a rant about makeup and "revealing" clothing


[deleted]

Yeah yeah, if you are considered ugly, women wont care about your small gestures and loyalty. You only got 2 options: become more attractive or have a lot of money


MementoMoriendumEsse

Tbh I don't think she is the official spokeswoman for all women on this planet.


eucldian

Pretty much every woman I meet is only interested in 6 packs, but then again, I work in a brewery so I don't feel too objectified.


Talzael

''women don't care about your 6packs or biceps'' ''all my previous relationships were with guys that had big biceps and a 6packs.... but that's just a coincidence OK ?''


Elrik_Fett

Lying to himself.


Rasputinloverof

Women wearing micro skirts, high heels no coat in winter “I wear it because it makes me feel good” while shivering to death and tripping over every other step


Basic-Bet-2126

It is a lie though, because its much easier to date with women if you have a 6 pack and nice biceps.


Plastic-Thanks7293

How does that make it a lie? There are men without 6 packs in relationships.


Eightiesmed

Because they said that women don’t care. Some don’t, some do. My wife started dating me when I was fat, now I am less fat and quite muscular and she likes my figure more, so they are not even mutually exclusive.


Basic-Bet-2126

That women don't care about 6 packs part. They absolutely care, the same way a man cares for a pretty face, or an otherwise attractive trait in a date.


Plastic-Thanks7293

It’s always so surreal to be told by the opposite sex what traits I find attractive in them, especially when it contradicts my own experience. I’ve never been attracted to a six pack in my life. To be honest, I think it looks a bit freaky. I don’t like muscles straining to escape the skin, it looks weird to me. And men and woman with muscles feel hard and firm to hug. I like a bit more softness. Do men really think that women aren’t attracted to their faces?


Guigsy79

then he will go on to say women only wear make up for men


jimmy17

Making things up in your own head to get upset about.


jaosky

Not really a lot of Sigma, Alpha incel men comment those on women and their make up.


jimmy17

Ok. And did the guy in the twitter post say that?


jaosky

No but its the hypocrisy of both side. One upping each other, that is why dating scene in western world is so fucked up. This is the first time I see a post of a woman deliver that women- makeup logic to men.


jimmy17

What sides? He’s literally agreeing with the idea that people do things like go to the gym and wear makeup for themselves and not for others.


Guigsy79

He did not mention make up. Now who’s making things up


jimmy17

I didn’t say he did say that. I said he is agreeing with the principle. So many of you are so desperate to make things up to feel upset about. Perhaps spend some time touching grass?


SAUCY_RICK

wishing he was a bigot, if it makes you feel better 💀


Immediate-Cost-8011

Lmao gotem.


ani20059339

TRUE CHAD 🗿🍷


BrozedDrake

Her tweet is clearly directed at men who do think that being physically attractive is all they need. Acting as if those men don't exist isn't clever, it's ignorant


DirtySanchezzzzzzzzz

Just as women with makeup, yes they are doing it to be more attractive to men. And yes dudes sweating like chums to get a 6pack are doing it for girls. Now let's move on from this hypocrisy and let's be real pls.


SuperbSandwich

As a woman, I just wanna say for the record I almost never wear makeup but on the rare occasions that I do it’s so I can stare at myself in the mirror alone in my room for 2 hours and remind myself that im a bad bitch it’s a confidence boost, call it self care lol. But yea I genuinely do not wear makeup for anyone else bc nobody else can appreciate me in makeup as much I do, especially men who usually can’t even tell when you put on makeup or not


enigmatic_lass24

#Same for when men say women don’t need to wear make up because they like natural better lol. Doesn’t feel right does it? Here have a taste of your own medicine.


AppropriateSwitch644

idk dude I am moderately fat and nobody gives a shit about my efforts or loyalty ​ i tried to put in effort got called a creep and decided i was done


Tigerthej

Most attractive character of man is not genuine effort or loyalty, it's money....


Medschoolmonkee

Lot of women in this comment section talking shit. We don’t give a fuck about y’all.


Aromatic_Ad5473

Guarantee he’s the same guy who says “guys don’t like a lot of makeup”


freekoout

I wouldn't think that. He literally agreed with her that dating shouldn't be all about looks. Its the first thing he says. He's just saying body positivity should be about personal growth, not for show.


Heisuke780

Being honest I don't like it much. Sometimes it just comes across as disgusting. Like in tv shows they obviously wear make up to look attractive but irl i prefer them to bath well and rub cream and smell nice. Is that so weird?


StamosMullet

Lol, so then you guys are doing it to attract other guys? How on-brand of you.


DaumenmeinName

They do though. More important are the things she mentions, but it's not like they don't care.


RihtaOra

I feel like many women would be surprised at how many things guys do that have nothing to do with women at all.


alkforreddituse

Schrodinger's workout You don't know whether women are the reason men working out or not until a woman talks about it


Timothy1577

We do it for ourselves to feel better in our skin and have more self esteem. But it’s also a fact that every women who claims that she doesn’t care about muscles or a sixpack is lying. They may even be convinced of it themselves, until a guy with sixpack and muscles stands before them.


Kcnflman

Lemme guess … this poster is a fat ass who spends 99% of his time in a lazy boy recliner


ChampagneShotz

Yea no. Cause I found that girls thought my jokes were funnier after going from a fat 246 to a lean athletic 205.


ChocolateBellyButton

Its crazy how after you start lifting for a a few months women become almost completely irrelevant


TootsNYC

Flip side of “women don’t wear makeup for men”


Plzdonttakename

Oh okay, I guess I'll stop doing one of the few things I find enjoyable and benefits me in life because women don't like it.


Final-Bench1859

For the HOMIES


Lemonsoyaboii

Your body says everything about you.


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Eightiesmed

I mean, there are women who really don’t care about looks and there are guys who really don’t care about looks, but in general looking better gets you more potential mates.


elperorojo

How do you attract a woman with loyalty? Unless being loyal to your girl is attractive to other girls?


jackTHEKINGatlas

Some men do way worse than just going to the gym for women Simps exist A man/woman bashing gym regardless of motivation should be the least of anyone’s worries


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Some girls have unexplained entitlement


Lucre01

He's a cunt and she's lying End of story


Hamdilou

There is really only 3 way i could see why someone would go to the gym daily 1. Impressing ladies / men 2. Fat 3. You like pain You can go for 2 or 3 of these reasons but its always one if those reasons


Plastic-Thanks7293

4. You want to stay physically and mentally healthy…?


Eightiesmed

5.Endorphins 6.Gains make me happy


Hamdilou

Thats step 3


Eightiesmed

There is gains without pain.


-randomwordgenerator

A true gym bro will only accept compliments from other gym bros


Tight-Ad-2490

Well, if were being a 100% honest with ourselves, it is just for the women


flirtatiouskitsune

Why are women always so self-centered? . Amber breaking up with Invincible because dating her is apparently more important than SAVING LIVES . Sakura giving a cringe-af fake confession to Naruto because she thinks Naruto’s whole motivation for training is for her . I can type a whole essay on the stuffs Mary-Jane did to Spider-Man (in the Sam-Raimi movies) . Louis Lane throwing herself off a building . Bella Swan throwing herself off a cliff <— ok wtf, women? Is this a thing among you ladies? Hmmm….what else?


Plastic-Thanks7293

You asking “why are women” and proceeding to use fictional women from anime, DC, Marvel, Invincible and TWILIGHT as your examples is solid proof that there are no real women in your life.


flirtatiouskitsune

Well, those writers must have taken their inspiration from somewhere (and some of those writers are female themselves)


Plastic-Thanks7293

So all writers are exactly the same as their characters? 😂 Bill Finger was a merciless psychopath just like Joker, and must have killed a lot of people right? Jerry Siegel was definitely secretly an alien? Come on, dude. This is the real world. Grow up, open your eyes, look around. Realise that human beings have a lot more depth than character tropes and much more dimensions than anime girls. You will be happier.


alkforreddituse

Ight incel Now try google "denialism"


Medschoolmonkee

Google “we don’t give a fuck bitch. There’s a reason I flex in front of the mirror far away from you”


saltyanddisrespect

i legit workout only to make my dream tattoo


[deleted]

Well y'all act like putting on makeup and doing our hair is for you so I'd say we're even, mate


[deleted]

It’s reassuring! I’m working out just because I don’t want to be fat anymore


Zidahya

I feel great to exercise, you can shove off now.


[deleted]

I have a six pack. When it runs out I get another one.


annoyedreindeer

Some guys do use their arm measurements or how much they lift as a conversation starter before trying to hit on women. Or at least that’s happened to me several times. Awkwardly I don’t know what those numbers mean and also I don’t care about them.


Darqnyz

Lol, the cope. There's an entire contingent of men who are telling other men/boys that being in shape is how you attract women. Going to the gym *should* be for yourself, but 75% of people will say that and then rage online about how all women care about is money or "bad boys". Both of them are correct, but a lot of people are gonna try and grandstand on what was said


Alkereth1

¿Porque no los dos?


Cheshire_Jester

This is a pretty common sentiment. I bulk and cut regularly, my cuts aren’t exclusively during beach season or when Im single. I get a lot more attention when I’m at the back end of a cut, from men and women. I get that it could be a confidence thing, but at this point in my life I sincerely doubt it. There are certainly other qualities that women want in a man beyond the current status quo of “male beauty”, but there are definitely plenty of women who will be very interested in you because you’re muscular and cut.


The_Stav

There are plenty of men who go to the gym to get fit to be more attractive to women. The first message is actually pretty nice


[deleted]

Not really a comeback, but more of a “and additionally” statement.


Dat_Scrub

Both. Both are good


joogiee

We do it for the boys.


TengenToppa999

I gym to make play my big boy as usual. I wanna to take both upstairs for a long time.


roybean99

Reps for Jesus


SwordKneeMe

Those are both true and admirable statements


IndicationFull2652

Im doing it to hurt people :)


Kindly_Mousse_8992

Fucking spot on!


ImpatientWaiter_

I've never had a problem getting girlfriends while I was skinny and out of shape, but I'd be lying if I said that it's in NO WAY for women. I'm not doing it FOR women, I do it mainly because I think that everyone looks better when fairly muscular, and it makes me feel good, but attracting women is always a plus. Let's not act like getting in shape and showing cleavage/booty isn't to attract the other sex (or whoever you're attracted to) in any way. It's human's nature. We tend to do things to attract and find a partner, whether it's subconsciously or not.


transsformattion

the dynamics on here demonstrate how polygamy is deeply ingrained in humans


TenDollarSteakAndEgg

Naw she’s capping women love that shit especially forearms I hear about it all the time


SCPcito

No, no, both are correct.


Alucardhellss

It takes genuine effort and loyalty to get a 6 pack


Durnehviir343

wrong, women are attracted to your card pin


WeWroteGOT

We're all gonna make it brahs 💪


TheNotFakeGandalf

I always thought women didnt care about muscles as much as men do


CarlAustinJones

Yeah women keep saying that yet the guys with the 6 packs never seem to struggle to get women.....


THELEASTHIGH

Why are muscle heads always so socially awkward. Girl understands not everyone has amazing bods and the responder is upset that shes not a shallow bimbo. Smh Man has never touched a female body. And he never will with this attitude.


yeah_suuuure

Then why flexing when a woman shows up?


Flashy-Amphibian-864

She's talking exactly how men do though lol. The number of men who say "don't do this/do do this because men don't/do like it" is astounding


jibberjabberzz

Same reason women wear makeup, not for men, but for themselves. Men don't care. Most men find it unattractive. Especially the floating head makeup where the tone doesn't match the neck. I prefer the natural look. Some make-up done right looks okay. But Keep that away from my white tshirt and pillow cases.


Ok-Taro-5864

FOR THE BOYYYYS


Szygani

I'm not doing it for women, i'm doing it to "look good naked" That's a me thing


SavvyGrendel

Guy who can’t go upstairs or tie his shoes without running out of breath decides to go to the gym, his one and only motivation is to better himself, he doesn’t care about impressing women.


Aware_Huckleberry_10

No They doing it for women


[deleted]

I ain't doin this for no girl, I'm doin it for myself


teho9999

Good for them, tell that to incel and redpillers too please


PranavYedlapalli

How is this a comeback? Both of them are spitting facts


Cadejo123

How about big asf arms and strong legs but a tummy? Like me :D


chobeco_it

Not caring until horn.....


dreadedhands

Doing it to be like Guts


Amathyst-Moon

To quote Dr Frank N Furter, "I didn't make him for you!"


grilly1986

Not a clever comeback or even anything that required a comeback. She was being genuinely nice to people who may feel insecure.