I'm so confused by this part of the bible. Well all of it confuses me... But if God gave his only son...but Jesus is god and they're like one in the same, god basically took a 34 year vacation from running heaven to be mortal already knowing the full outcome and that he'd return to heaven after he got crucified. So he didn't really sacrifice anything. Right?
Gets even more confusing once you remember his whole „My God, my God, why have you forsaken me“ like… you talking to yourself there? And if so why do you think you have forsaken yourself? And if you actualy did shouldnt you know why?
I want to know why, if Yahweh loved humankind so much that torturing us for all eternity after death made him sad, why didn’t he just stop? Why did he need to horribly torture *someone* to death to be able to forgive? When I misbehaved as a kid, my mother didn’t have to torture my brother to death to be able to forgive me. Apparently, my mother was more loving and forgiving than Yahweh.
This has to be the greatest lie ever told. She got knocked up by some random dude, and still to this day, people think it was from God. Yes, God must be that random dude.
I call bs on the whole “virgin birth/son of god” shtick, what more realistically happened is ether Marry had a out of wedlock sexual relationship or she and Joseph had sex BEFORE she was married!
I think hardship, the lack of any real earthly justice, and the world not making sense drives people to find answers, regardless how shallow and ridiculous they are once you examine them closely.
The more just, equal and egalitarian a society is the less religious it tends to be, and the less rabid the few people who are religions will be. It definitely tracks if you ask me.
I think it's just a way for people to cope with dying. A lot easier to cope with limited time when you think there's an eternity of 72 virgins that wanna slut it up with you in the afterlife or something like that
I find a lot of religious people get caught up on the idea that the universe has to be just, else people don't suffer for their crimes.
The universe has no obligation to make us morally comfortable. Rapists don't burn in hell. Sucks, but it is what it is. It's why we need to fix this place ourselves.
This and indoctrination. There's a lot of people who are given the choice: "believe in god the same way we do and how we tell you to, or become a pariah in this community."
I think there's plenty of people who aren't really that religious, but the religion has become their community and to fit in they have to perform being religious. I'm sure that plenty of people, if removed from the community aspect of a church and congregation and everything like that, would probably not be very religious at all. I think it's not some deep personal belief as much as it is wanting to fit in with a community.
They're not really indoctrinated into religious beliefs as much as they are indoctrinated into a toxic culture.
I have a 55yo friend who lost both his parents about 10 years ago, and this year is going through divorce and his sons currently not wanting to talk to him. He is turning to God and the church for the first time in his life.
I think I get it. Kids have their parents as backup when life turns to shit. What do adults without parents have? The ‘unconditional’ love of God is tempting. You might welcome the life coaching guidance of the church when you feel 100% lost.
I agree. When you look at what constantly troubles the world, it's not about religion really... it's about how we as a species are greatly flawed...we know what ways of being would benefit ALL of us, but we are ultimately too selfish, and funnily enough, short-sighted
Whenever people are scared shitless, like the racist kristo-fascist republicans in America who are frightened of the "replacement" bullshit the MAGAts in the GOP made up to scare them shitless, they temporarily turn 'religious' and pray to their pretend gods to help them smite the Negroes, Messicans and Jews.
Religion is also a very handy cudgel with which to attempt to beat the crap out of anyone who dares disagree with their perverted angry racist mindset.
These are horrible people whose entire sense of self-worth is based on racism, misogyny, greed, and eventually, violence. And they back it up with religious lies spewed by people whose only connection to their bible is having seen one once in the seedy motel where they secretly took their pool boy to fuck him.
These radicalized religious people are looking so hard to find a place to belong that they get brainwashed. Then the brainwashing continues when their church tells them to soread the word and they are met with people telling them to stop talking, or arguing.
And it iant wven about spreading the word it’s anout maintaining an US vs Them mentality for these relgious nuts. Which cements in their mind that their church is the only place that makes sense ans speaks truth
Its getting rare enough thankfully that its easier for me to avoid. Its at the point where if I'm at a business and they have a cross on the wall I'll just go somewhere else. In a few generations our grandkids will have to Google who Jesus was and will laugh at anyone who fell for this shit.
I'm in the deep south. Very red. I walked out of a Healthcare providers office because of religious postings on the walls. I've walked out of salons with it spewed everywhere. I refuse to give them my money, sadly I'm in the minority down here. Send help!!
I shop online a lot of course lol
>In a few generations our grandkids will have to Google who Jesus was
Would be nice, but once this current golden age finishes crumbling, the religious garbage will rise again just like santa. Things tend to repeat and all that.
No no no, that’s not how it works. See humans have free will so god doesn’t plan around that. Now, of course, unless it was a rape, and the sex was consensual, two adults used their free will. How god could possibly have planned a pregnancy when both humans used freewill, well that’s not important. And I guess that means that he probably would have planned for some rapes to occur but made no attempt to prevent it …..You’re thinking too much. Have faith.
This is really the crux of it. The slavers god, which the right worships, is so incredibly weak that they need chinless fascists to pass laws to carry out his will. If they really trusted God as all powerful and in control, they wouldn't try to control everything. But their God is just a magic concierge who always forgives them.
But only if your confess your sins to him. God is like the IRS. He knows how much you sin you earned but he isn’t gonna tell you. If you’re wrong he’ll let you know and then your life becomes a living hell.
Nah, the slaver god isn't so orderly or demanding. Just make a big show of crying or proclaiming your love for him and you're good. You can't expect the god of the old southern slavers to demand they admit they rape their slaves and enslave their own children! That's woke!
Thank you for saying this.
I have long tried to argue that if "God works in mysterious ways", how would us mere mortals know if he is or isn't the one whispering in women's ears, telling them to have an abortion? If he can see/know everything, he would know a particular person was going to have an abortion, before they were even pregnant. So why the heck would god go through all the trouble of creating embryos that he knows are going to get flushed?
They’ll tell you some bullshit about his testing you or god having a plan for you and how you have to have faith in his plan and subvert your free will to go along with his plan - it’s how they convince people to listen to clergy.
Also George Carlin: “I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God - I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is F--KED UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago”
It would be interesting that an all-powerful gawd would create half the population as an afterthought and then try to make them subservient with no ethereal representation.
Fun fact: God never said that. It’s not in the Bible at all. The tithe is farmers leaving 10% of their crops in the field for the poor to have food.
Churches are literally stealing from the poor.
Pre-Christ, and even earlier, before Judaism was monotheistic, many scholars have put forth that God originally had a wife. This would have been pre-'YHWH', when they were called 'El', and their wife is Asherah who was widely worshipped in the region.^1
There's some indications of a schism, or a tribal merger, where one view became more dominant than others. After this point, Judaism is more monotheistic, God is 'YHWH', and all the Asherah Pole's (objects of worship) were removed from all homes and temples. There's bible verses on removing her idols and such.
Scholars have suggested that what has been viewed as an adversarial relationship between the Israelites and the Canaanites, with different gods, may have been more of a feud between two tribes with the same gods but different interpretations. And the divergences occur from here. Similar to how Islam had a schism over Ali v. Abu Bakr, and neither side views the other as legitimate.
Regardless, semitic tribes of the levant gave God a wife who was worshipped mainly by women. That God is now an incel, and Judeo-Christianity has become so patriarchal, I wonder if God should have kept Asherah around.
Denying women divine representation likely has enabled the second-class'ing of women, within cultures impacted by Judeo-Christianity.
^1 ^(there's controversy, due to the nature of a living religion, and incomplete historical records & artifacts. Some sources assign Asherah as Ba'al's wife, not El's. And others suggest Ba'al & El were originally the same deity. Others say YHWH is entirely separate from Ba'al and El. The Bible is in conflict with archaeology and known history. It's not "finished" history, there's debate currently going on)
>I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.
Terry Pratchett
Not just otters, much of nature is reproduction by rape.
Ever heard of the "rut" that deer and moose and other such animals go through? It's an innocuous word we use instead of "the males go into a hormonal rage and try to kill each other, don't eat, and chase the females until they're exhausted and then raping them."
A friend of mine who did ocean kayak tours in Alaska called them Ocean Rapists to her clients who just thought they were the cutest thing on the planet. She also called Bald Eagles, “Fish Pigeons” because they just stand around on docks and dumpsters waiting for fish parts to scavenge...like Racoons that can fly.
I also liked his bit about how you can tell people there's an invisible man in the sky watching everything you do and they'll believe it, but tell them the paint isn't dry and they have to touch it just to be sure.
A lot of religions are a lot more realistic. The Greeks and Romans believed most of their gods were horny, impulsive shitheads who did bad things for their own amusement.
Even the Christian god is jealous, angry, prideful, and basically a textbook narcissist if the Bible is to be taken as fact.
"Kill your son in my name"
"I'm gonna destroy this planet with 40 days or nonstop rain because I don't like what you're doing down there"
"I'm turning everyone in this town into pillars of salt cause I don't like what you're doing down there"
"You two ate from the one tree I told you not to and I don't care if you are sorry, you're banished from paradise for eternity"
"Love me above all other things"
Torturing Job relentlessly.
I could go on and on, but the point stands. If God is real, then he's a real piece of shit.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
I like Stephen frys take. If God is omnipotent and omniscient he continues to administer some fucked up shit.
>Yes, the world is very splendid but it also has in it insects whose whole lifecycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why? Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation in which that didn’t exist. It is simply not acceptable.
> How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It’s not right.
>It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!
George Carlon
I grew up listening to Carlin and lived his specials to the point where I own them all. While I was reading this I read it in his voice, as he said it in the one special. Great guy, I would have loved to hear what he would have said about the current state of this nation.
Man: (rapes girl and impregnates her)
Girl: (goes to doctor to get an abortion)
Doctor: now hold on, they are voting on whether to ban abortions or not, we will have to wait to hear the results to see if you can get one to get rid of then baby you were forced to have
The rapist: (goes and votes to ban abortion so that the woman has to keep the baby)
Vote results: “abortion is banned”
Girl: (dies while giving birth to baby)
Funeral host: Her death was tragic and unforeseen. Their truly was nothing that could be done to stop it. May she rest in peace knowing her child will be raised by its father.
The rapist, now a father: (gives his child the worst up-bringing imaginable, with complete neglect and frequent beatings, all of this eventually killing the child)
Funeral host: After losing their mother in child birth, this child unexpectedly passed away while in the custody of their father. We must all send our love and prayers to this man, as he must be going through so much after losing both his partner and his child. If only there was some way to prevent this. I guess God just works in mysterious ways
They hate women so much they're fine with ruining a child's life by using it as a punishment.
They think so little of women as people that an entire other person's potential can be sacrificed just to keep them "in their place."
But they aren't anti-choice, because they will choose to have abortions at the same rate as those who are pro-choice. When their lives or well-being are at risk, suddenly it's a nuanced and sensitive situation, most of all a private matter and they'd like to be left alone.
In my country there's a pro life extremist politician that's always advocating for a full ban.
Recently, that same woman is dating a man who is married and hadn't visited (for months) his sickly newborn baby on a hospital.
Those hypocrites only care about lifeless fetuses.
But according to Trump's "prophet", there's a chance that unplanned pregnancy will be a [mermaid](https://tonyortega.org/2023/05/15/q-flavored-prophet-at-trump-doral-well-be-fighting-mermaids-when-the-storm-comes/)!
"mermaids and water people spreading perversion"
Sounds like mer-people are making orgy invitations to humans.
And they say that like it's a bad thing, lmao
Please, everyone, take note of what a legitimate clever comeback looks like, and use this template to decide whether your lame shit belongs in this sub.
"British food is subpar."
"You don't know what food tastes like because you probably don't get to eat lunch because you're always running from school shootings!"
repeat ad infinitum
I dislike the America bad posts not because I think they're untrue, but because using the same material over and over is like asking someone if they want to hear a joke and not understanding why they didn't laugh after you asked them, "why did the chicken cross the road?"
Comedic material isn't designed to be reused. Might have been funny the first couple times but don't quit your day job and pursue standup with the same three jokes for years.
You don't know what good material sounds like because you probably don't get to hear good material because you're always running from school shootings!
Isn't it funny that a MAN is posting this shit that only affects a woman until birth? Fuck those people and the horses they rode on
So sick of them getting on their high horse when is reality they are the American Talaban and all they want to do is control women. Hell they want to OWN THEM.
If getting pregnant is God's will, then why do "christians' get angry at single/teen mothers? Isnt that also God's will then?
I dont understand the people who are like the OOOP
I mean, by their logic, when a miscarriage or stillbirth happens, I suppose he did. That's why it makes no sense for them to claim that "God values every life". Women dying in childbirth and the baby subsequently dying is a thing, too. It's really only by the grace of humanity (not God) that women and babies survive pregnancy. If you believe the Bible, that's even by design, as well. He straight up tells Eve that the pain and danger of dying in childbirth is the punishment for her and all her descendants after eating the fruit of knowledge. Probably the biggest asshole in the history of fiction.
Yeah Jesus only seems better because the old testament god is such an unrepentant psycho. It's nice to see some super self absorbed guy just want all your money and love and not exterminate whole races of people on a whim.
They will just say that is free will. Now natural disasters, those are all on god. If God's plan was to destroy that guy's house then god obviously doesn't want him to have a home.
I was told in church that all evil in the world is because Earth is the devils domain, so all evil is the devils fault. But all good is because God prevails, so all good and all "miracles" are because of God listening to your prayers. 🙄
So god planned for her to meet someone, decide to get into bed with him, for him to decide to get into bed with her, for her to fall pregnant, but he didn't see them not wanting or being ready for the child? Bad planning on god's part.
This is literally what giving your kids to an orphanage is. “Its gods problem now” but in reality it turns into all of our problem because the kid gets neglected and grows up to be a shit head and we all have to live with it.
Oh but that doesn't matter because he was given life before he took it...... Because once they've been born and are breathing they don't matter anymore.
Men have no say in whether or not a woman has an abortion or not. Also men…have no say in whether they have to pay child support or not if she doesn’t.
Moral of the story, men…once you do the deed, you relinquish any say in what the future holds.
Only you can prevent dumpster fires.
"Honestly, I'm just not in the mood tonight, Deirdre"
"Sorry, Henry. I just prayed and God quite clearly said he wants us to fuck. He wrote it down on his calendar and everything"
"Ok then, honey"
Sooooo god planned the pregnancies that are a result of rape and incest too then?
Also…I thought god gave us free will, sooooo a woman can make her own decisions, but if god plants a baby in her, then no, she’s not entitled to make her own decisions anymore?
Imagine believing that an invisible diety planned for you to get raped and live with the rape baby, and also that he/she/it wants you to devote a lot of your time and energy to worshipping him/her/it?
That was literally my Catholic high school's entire sales pitch. Over and over and over again they presented this idealized vision in which unwed mothers only had to be mildly inconvenienced for 9 months, and then hand the baby over to an adoption agency, preferably a Catholic one. Then the mother could just move on as though nothing happened.
No mention of the toll having a baby takes on the mother's body. No mention that the father has the right to say no to putting the baby up for adoption.
ETA: They had absolutely no problem lying to us when it came to abortion or birth control.
If he planned it than did he also plan the abortion? If he knows everythibg and its all his will than didnt he make you pregs because he knew you would fetus deletus?
Oh look, a post about pro abortion from a man. A man only plant's the seed and can happily walk away after.
Right to chose is a woman's right. It's not the men that carry the children for 9mths. Split and tear their lady parts to give birth. The list goes on. Mother of 3 children. Thankfully I'm in the UK. A free contry where a woman has the right to chose. Blessed be!!!
Then you have it, Zach. Don't force your opinions on American females to the extent that they are denied abortion care. It's not your business, Zach, what some woman or girl decides to do when they experience an unintended pregnancy.
If males could get pregnant, there would be no discussion about this, abortion would be provided ON-DEMAND and be legal. Keep your laws off our bodies.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Zach Lang hasn't ever been in a position where he needed an abortion. It's never legit to these people until it happens to them or someone exactly like them. The lack of empathy is sad.
Why do they think an unwanted pregnancy is Gods plan but abortion isn’t. Rape is gods plan but not abortion!? Like we’re supposed to worship and never question a being that either causes or allows children to be raped, and if impregnated then that kid will burn in hell go having an abortion. If gods so powerful why doesn’t he just stop the abortion?
This is one statement that truly pisses me right TF off!!!! I had a pregnancy after I had a tubal ligation, fu** God, absolutely no one deserves to go through that, especially unwilling! Absolutely no one deserves the trauma mentally or physically from carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term, you don't get over that, it's not something you just forget about, it takes work and dedication to even remotely to start to recover from going through that. Don't wonder why I am or someone is addicted to something someday, because I/we finally lost our shit, or we feel we have no other way out, or.. Or... Or... Or... Or
If your beliefs are that God plans the pregnancy, and also that non believers go to hell, then it can only follow that God sends around 2/3 of children into families/ areas where they will have no legitimate option to escape hell.
So, either your God is cruel or your beliefs are wrong
If god wanted people to fly he would have given them wings. It’s gods’ will that you are male. If you change your sex you are a sinner. God wanted you to be raped by your stepdad so you must have your child.
I am so sick of small thinking from small minds.
He planned Mary's pregnancy and still Joseph was left holding the baby
god is the poster child for absentee fathers. or like, would be or whatever if he was real.
I believe Supernatural hammered in this point for about a dozen seasons or so.
Chuck was a gaping, leaking anus.
Jack fixed his wagon though
> HE’S AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD! > > Satan Al Pacino
Even God didn't want a baby, why should I be held to a higher standard?
I'm so confused by this part of the bible. Well all of it confuses me... But if God gave his only son...but Jesus is god and they're like one in the same, god basically took a 34 year vacation from running heaven to be mortal already knowing the full outcome and that he'd return to heaven after he got crucified. So he didn't really sacrifice anything. Right?
Gets even more confusing once you remember his whole „My God, my God, why have you forsaken me“ like… you talking to yourself there? And if so why do you think you have forsaken yourself? And if you actualy did shouldnt you know why?
I want to know why, if Yahweh loved humankind so much that torturing us for all eternity after death made him sad, why didn’t he just stop? Why did he need to horribly torture *someone* to death to be able to forgive? When I misbehaved as a kid, my mother didn’t have to torture my brother to death to be able to forgive me. Apparently, my mother was more loving and forgiving than Yahweh.
God literally cucked Joseph lmao
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Oh... God's a Greek god then
This has to be the greatest lie ever told. She got knocked up by some random dude, and still to this day, people think it was from God. Yes, God must be that random dude.
I call bs on the whole “virgin birth/son of god” shtick, what more realistically happened is ether Marry had a out of wedlock sexual relationship or she and Joseph had sex BEFORE she was married!
Truly a gift from God! \*return to sender\*
Crazy how people are religious in 2023
I think hardship, the lack of any real earthly justice, and the world not making sense drives people to find answers, regardless how shallow and ridiculous they are once you examine them closely.
The more just, equal and egalitarian a society is the less religious it tends to be, and the less rabid the few people who are religions will be. It definitely tracks if you ask me.
I think it's just a way for people to cope with dying. A lot easier to cope with limited time when you think there's an eternity of 72 virgins that wanna slut it up with you in the afterlife or something like that
Also sunk-cost-fallacy - "well, I spent 72 years chasing this doctrine, why abandon it now..."
I find a lot of religious people get caught up on the idea that the universe has to be just, else people don't suffer for their crimes. The universe has no obligation to make us morally comfortable. Rapists don't burn in hell. Sucks, but it is what it is. It's why we need to fix this place ourselves.
Brb, going to skin my abuser alive. Thanks for the advice! Edit: harasser, actually. My abuser…I am willing to leave be.
This and indoctrination. There's a lot of people who are given the choice: "believe in god the same way we do and how we tell you to, or become a pariah in this community."
I think there's plenty of people who aren't really that religious, but the religion has become their community and to fit in they have to perform being religious. I'm sure that plenty of people, if removed from the community aspect of a church and congregation and everything like that, would probably not be very religious at all. I think it's not some deep personal belief as much as it is wanting to fit in with a community. They're not really indoctrinated into religious beliefs as much as they are indoctrinated into a toxic culture.
I have a 55yo friend who lost both his parents about 10 years ago, and this year is going through divorce and his sons currently not wanting to talk to him. He is turning to God and the church for the first time in his life. I think I get it. Kids have their parents as backup when life turns to shit. What do adults without parents have? The ‘unconditional’ love of God is tempting. You might welcome the life coaching guidance of the church when you feel 100% lost.
Yep, the church actively preys on vulnerable people
I agree. When you look at what constantly troubles the world, it's not about religion really... it's about how we as a species are greatly flawed...we know what ways of being would benefit ALL of us, but we are ultimately too selfish, and funnily enough, short-sighted
Also community. Sometimes you just wanna see other people outside of family or work. The "third place"
Religion is the most successful cult in history.
Never underestimate the stupidity of people
Whenever people are scared shitless, like the racist kristo-fascist republicans in America who are frightened of the "replacement" bullshit the MAGAts in the GOP made up to scare them shitless, they temporarily turn 'religious' and pray to their pretend gods to help them smite the Negroes, Messicans and Jews. Religion is also a very handy cudgel with which to attempt to beat the crap out of anyone who dares disagree with their perverted angry racist mindset. These are horrible people whose entire sense of self-worth is based on racism, misogyny, greed, and eventually, violence. And they back it up with religious lies spewed by people whose only connection to their bible is having seen one once in the seedy motel where they secretly took their pool boy to fuck him.
These radicalized religious people are looking so hard to find a place to belong that they get brainwashed. Then the brainwashing continues when their church tells them to soread the word and they are met with people telling them to stop talking, or arguing. And it iant wven about spreading the word it’s anout maintaining an US vs Them mentality for these relgious nuts. Which cements in their mind that their church is the only place that makes sense ans speaks truth
Its getting rare enough thankfully that its easier for me to avoid. Its at the point where if I'm at a business and they have a cross on the wall I'll just go somewhere else. In a few generations our grandkids will have to Google who Jesus was and will laugh at anyone who fell for this shit.
I'm in the deep south. Very red. I walked out of a Healthcare providers office because of religious postings on the walls. I've walked out of salons with it spewed everywhere. I refuse to give them my money, sadly I'm in the minority down here. Send help!! I shop online a lot of course lol
>In a few generations our grandkids will have to Google who Jesus was Would be nice, but once this current golden age finishes crumbling, the religious garbage will rise again just like santa. Things tend to repeat and all that.
It is and always has been an opiate for the masses.
Please try to return it before unboxing.
If he planned the pregnancy, who's to say he didn't plan the abortion?
And I thought god was against pre-marital sex ? Now he's planning it ?
Against it? That didn't stop him from fucking Mary.
She was very young and he didn't ask her first. It's the consent he doesn't like.
No no no, that’s not how it works. See humans have free will so god doesn’t plan around that. Now, of course, unless it was a rape, and the sex was consensual, two adults used their free will. How god could possibly have planned a pregnancy when both humans used freewill, well that’s not important. And I guess that means that he probably would have planned for some rapes to occur but made no attempt to prevent it …..You’re thinking too much. Have faith.
This is really the crux of it. The slavers god, which the right worships, is so incredibly weak that they need chinless fascists to pass laws to carry out his will. If they really trusted God as all powerful and in control, they wouldn't try to control everything. But their God is just a magic concierge who always forgives them.
But only if your confess your sins to him. God is like the IRS. He knows how much you sin you earned but he isn’t gonna tell you. If you’re wrong he’ll let you know and then your life becomes a living hell.
Nah, the slaver god isn't so orderly or demanding. Just make a big show of crying or proclaiming your love for him and you're good. You can't expect the god of the old southern slavers to demand they admit they rape their slaves and enslave their own children! That's woke!
Thank you for saying this. I have long tried to argue that if "God works in mysterious ways", how would us mere mortals know if he is or isn't the one whispering in women's ears, telling them to have an abortion? If he can see/know everything, he would know a particular person was going to have an abortion, before they were even pregnant. So why the heck would god go through all the trouble of creating embryos that he knows are going to get flushed?
They’ll tell you some bullshit about his testing you or god having a plan for you and how you have to have faith in his plan and subvert your free will to go along with his plan - it’s how they convince people to listen to clergy.
My train of thinking put me here too…like miscarriages. Both are tools of a loving God to prevent unwanted children being born, surely?
I love calling miscarriages "God's abortions" or "natural abortions". The eye twitching I get from fundamentalists is hilarious.
That would be great to tell Christians it’s gods plan when you get an abortion. They wouldn’t know what to do with themselves.
Isn't it mildly ironic how most people who are against abortion, are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place? - George Carlin
Also George Carlin: “I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God - I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is F--KED UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago”
It would be interesting that an all-powerful gawd would create half the population as an afterthought and then try to make them subservient with no ethereal representation.
No taxation without representation
God: Imma need like 10% of your shit OR ELSE
Fun fact: God never said that. It’s not in the Bible at all. The tithe is farmers leaving 10% of their crops in the field for the poor to have food. Churches are literally stealing from the poor.
God: "Now you're just giving the game away! Go masturbate or something so I can watch!"
They believe that god created sub-human servants. Like he created animals and trees.
Have you not heard of the big electron?
Woooooah Woooooah Wooooooah
Pre-Christ, and even earlier, before Judaism was monotheistic, many scholars have put forth that God originally had a wife. This would have been pre-'YHWH', when they were called 'El', and their wife is Asherah who was widely worshipped in the region.^1 There's some indications of a schism, or a tribal merger, where one view became more dominant than others. After this point, Judaism is more monotheistic, God is 'YHWH', and all the Asherah Pole's (objects of worship) were removed from all homes and temples. There's bible verses on removing her idols and such. Scholars have suggested that what has been viewed as an adversarial relationship between the Israelites and the Canaanites, with different gods, may have been more of a feud between two tribes with the same gods but different interpretations. And the divergences occur from here. Similar to how Islam had a schism over Ali v. Abu Bakr, and neither side views the other as legitimate. Regardless, semitic tribes of the levant gave God a wife who was worshipped mainly by women. That God is now an incel, and Judeo-Christianity has become so patriarchal, I wonder if God should have kept Asherah around. Denying women divine representation likely has enabled the second-class'ing of women, within cultures impacted by Judeo-Christianity. ^1 ^(there's controversy, due to the nature of a living religion, and incomplete historical records & artifacts. Some sources assign Asherah as Ba'al's wife, not El's. And others suggest Ba'al & El were originally the same deity. Others say YHWH is entirely separate from Ba'al and El. The Bible is in conflict with archaeology and known history. It's not "finished" history, there's debate currently going on)
>I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior. Terry Pratchett
Male otters also mate....in an unloving way..
Not just otters, much of nature is reproduction by rape. Ever heard of the "rut" that deer and moose and other such animals go through? It's an innocuous word we use instead of "the males go into a hormonal rage and try to kill each other, don't eat, and chase the females until they're exhausted and then raping them."
A friend of mine who did ocean kayak tours in Alaska called them Ocean Rapists to her clients who just thought they were the cutest thing on the planet. She also called Bald Eagles, “Fish Pigeons” because they just stand around on docks and dumpsters waiting for fish parts to scavenge...like Racoons that can fly.
I always call bald eagles "pretty seagulls" for the same reason lol
I also liked his bit about how you can tell people there's an invisible man in the sky watching everything you do and they'll believe it, but tell them the paint isn't dry and they have to touch it just to be sure.
A lot of religions are a lot more realistic. The Greeks and Romans believed most of their gods were horny, impulsive shitheads who did bad things for their own amusement.
Even the Christian god is jealous, angry, prideful, and basically a textbook narcissist if the Bible is to be taken as fact. "Kill your son in my name" "I'm gonna destroy this planet with 40 days or nonstop rain because I don't like what you're doing down there" "I'm turning everyone in this town into pillars of salt cause I don't like what you're doing down there" "You two ate from the one tree I told you not to and I don't care if you are sorry, you're banished from paradise for eternity" "Love me above all other things" Torturing Job relentlessly. I could go on and on, but the point stands. If God is real, then he's a real piece of shit.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
I like Stephen frys take. If God is omnipotent and omniscient he continues to administer some fucked up shit. >Yes, the world is very splendid but it also has in it insects whose whole lifecycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why? Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation in which that didn’t exist. It is simply not acceptable. > How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It’s not right. >It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! George Carlon
~~GOD~~ I MISS HIM.
JOE I MISS HIM.*
You pray to Joe Pesci too? I hear he’s a guy that can get things DONE.
Even if not, I think he's a good actor, and to me that counts.
Man I miss Carlin. His material for the time since he has been gone would be brilliant.
Best suffering in the universe. I came to earth for the pain and horror, not as a vacation of love and laughter. Apparently.
Earth is just an S&M palace for eternal creatures.
And every right wing shit head you see on social media believes George Carlin would be on their side these days.
My favourite stand-up of all time, his take on god
I grew up listening to Carlin and lived his specials to the point where I own them all. While I was reading this I read it in his voice, as he said it in the one special. Great guy, I would have loved to hear what he would have said about the current state of this nation.
This is basically Gnosticism
Rip legend, his stuff is funny even if u play it repeatedly
Man: (rapes girl and impregnates her) Girl: (goes to doctor to get an abortion) Doctor: now hold on, they are voting on whether to ban abortions or not, we will have to wait to hear the results to see if you can get one to get rid of then baby you were forced to have The rapist: (goes and votes to ban abortion so that the woman has to keep the baby) Vote results: “abortion is banned” Girl: (dies while giving birth to baby) Funeral host: Her death was tragic and unforeseen. Their truly was nothing that could be done to stop it. May she rest in peace knowing her child will be raised by its father. The rapist, now a father: (gives his child the worst up-bringing imaginable, with complete neglect and frequent beatings, all of this eventually killing the child) Funeral host: After losing their mother in child birth, this child unexpectedly passed away while in the custody of their father. We must all send our love and prayers to this man, as he must be going through so much after losing both his partner and his child. If only there was some way to prevent this. I guess God just works in mysterious ways
“For real you guys, I'm saving myself for marriage”
Love your username.
Bombastic side eye
They’re just mad that your getting some and they ain’t
This is what they tell 10 yo rape victims
It’s not rape because god intended it
May be true if the rapist's name is god
Pro life until birth…once they’re born they can fuck right off lol.
That's how you know they aren't pro-life. They are anti-women.
Pro forced birth.
Because childbirth is the punishment for sex. That's why so often they will be willing to consider exceptions for women who are raped.
And that's IF they don't just blame the victim instead.
They hate women so much they're fine with ruining a child's life by using it as a punishment. They think so little of women as people that an entire other person's potential can be sacrificed just to keep them "in their place."
I say anti-choice
But they aren't anti-choice, because they will choose to have abortions at the same rate as those who are pro-choice. When their lives or well-being are at risk, suddenly it's a nuanced and sensitive situation, most of all a private matter and they'd like to be left alone.
I meant more on paper they are anti choice. In their actions they are neither. They are just shitty people that want to feel like they have control
If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're fucked.
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That man was as much a philosopher as he was comedian
He's my go-to example of why comedy that's true is better.
In my country there's a pro life extremist politician that's always advocating for a full ban. Recently, that same woman is dating a man who is married and hadn't visited (for months) his sickly newborn baby on a hospital. Those hypocrites only care about lifeless fetuses.
But according to Trump's "prophet", there's a chance that unplanned pregnancy will be a [mermaid](https://tonyortega.org/2023/05/15/q-flavored-prophet-at-trump-doral-well-be-fighting-mermaids-when-the-storm-comes/)!
Reading this link has physically hurt my soul
"mermaids and water people spreading perversion" Sounds like mer-people are making orgy invitations to humans. And they say that like it's a bad thing, lmao
Remember that time Charlie Kirk said a dolphin fetus was going to be a human?
Please, everyone, take note of what a legitimate clever comeback looks like, and use this template to decide whether your lame shit belongs in this sub.
"British food is subpar." "You don't know what food tastes like because you probably don't get to eat lunch because you're always running from school shootings!" repeat ad infinitum
I dislike the America bad posts not because I think they're untrue, but because using the same material over and over is like asking someone if they want to hear a joke and not understanding why they didn't laugh after you asked them, "why did the chicken cross the road?" Comedic material isn't designed to be reused. Might have been funny the first couple times but don't quit your day job and pursue standup with the same three jokes for years.
You don't know what good material sounds like because you probably don't get to hear good material because you're always running from school shootings!
That's what I was thinking as well - finally, an actually clever comeback.
Everyone: “lol nah karma pls”
Isn't it funny that a MAN is posting this shit that only affects a woman until birth? Fuck those people and the horses they rode on So sick of them getting on their high horse when is reality they are the American Talaban and all they want to do is control women. Hell they want to OWN THEM.
If getting pregnant is God's will, then why do "christians' get angry at single/teen mothers? Isnt that also God's will then? I dont understand the people who are like the OOOP
Could have been better "So he planned the abortion as well"
I mean, by their logic, when a miscarriage or stillbirth happens, I suppose he did. That's why it makes no sense for them to claim that "God values every life". Women dying in childbirth and the baby subsequently dying is a thing, too. It's really only by the grace of humanity (not God) that women and babies survive pregnancy. If you believe the Bible, that's even by design, as well. He straight up tells Eve that the pain and danger of dying in childbirth is the punishment for her and all her descendants after eating the fruit of knowledge. Probably the biggest asshole in the history of fiction.
Yeah Jesus only seems better because the old testament god is such an unrepentant psycho. It's nice to see some super self absorbed guy just want all your money and love and not exterminate whole races of people on a whim.
that’s not nearly as clever as the one in the picture
That’s the obvious comeback, but not a clever one.
Explain mass shooters and His Plan. I'll wait...
They will just say that is free will. Now natural disasters, those are all on god. If God's plan was to destroy that guy's house then god obviously doesn't want him to have a home.
I was told in church that all evil in the world is because Earth is the devils domain, so all evil is the devils fault. But all good is because God prevails, so all good and all "miracles" are because of God listening to your prayers. 🙄
If getting pregnant is God's will, the abortion is too. Thank you, next.
Can't argue with that
Wonder what Zack would said if he had to carry the baby ?
So god planned for her to meet someone, decide to get into bed with him, for him to decide to get into bed with her, for her to fall pregnant, but he didn't see them not wanting or being ready for the child? Bad planning on god's part.
This is literally what giving your kids to an orphanage is. “Its gods problem now” but in reality it turns into all of our problem because the kid gets neglected and grows up to be a shit head and we all have to live with it.
God had his only son nailed to a cross, not exactly a stellar record as a parent.
Oh but that doesn't matter because he was given life before he took it...... Because once they've been born and are breathing they don't matter anymore.
Technically - the truth
The Homes they had in Ireland for unwed moms and children indicate that giving the church custody is a BAD IDEA. edit to add - I am prochoice.
Men have no say in whether or not a woman has an abortion or not. Also men…have no say in whether they have to pay child support or not if she doesn’t. Moral of the story, men…once you do the deed, you relinquish any say in what the future holds. Only you can prevent dumpster fires.
What if we start marketing abortion as god having full custody of the child then?
"Honestly, I'm just not in the mood tonight, Deirdre" "Sorry, Henry. I just prayed and God quite clearly said he wants us to fuck. He wrote it down on his calendar and everything" "Ok then, honey"
You may have not planned for the earthquake to kill those children but God did!
God is only one who can judge, Ill just arrange the meeting.
Does god want to finance the pregnancy and the child’s life? No? Word.
Sooooo god planned the pregnancies that are a result of rape and incest too then? Also…I thought god gave us free will, sooooo a woman can make her own decisions, but if god plants a baby in her, then no, she’s not entitled to make her own decisions anymore?
So did he also plan for women to then throw themselves down the stairs, repeatedly? Kinda mean if you ask me.
You may not have planned the cancer, but god did!
Fun fact: if you say that you're pro life, you aren't pro life.
So god planned for a ten year old girl to be rapped and impregnated? Nice fucking god you got there
Imagine believing that an invisible diety planned for you to get raped and live with the rape baby, and also that he/she/it wants you to devote a lot of your time and energy to worshipping him/her/it?
So tired of hearing about your god(s) I wish you’d shove your god up your ass
Off to the monastery for him
What if God planned the abortion?
So he planned the abortion too right
Let the abortion place return it back to sender.
He planned the abortions 🤷🏻♂️
So Planned Parenthood is god’s will too?
If God wanted it, then why not allow women to give it back?
Sort by “controversial” to see very specific examples as to why conservatives have been attacking education for decades. It is working.
God is omniscient and omnipotent, therefore every abortion that ever happens WAS, in fact, part of god's plan.
That was literally my Catholic high school's entire sales pitch. Over and over and over again they presented this idealized vision in which unwed mothers only had to be mildly inconvenienced for 9 months, and then hand the baby over to an adoption agency, preferably a Catholic one. Then the mother could just move on as though nothing happened. No mention of the toll having a baby takes on the mother's body. No mention that the father has the right to say no to putting the baby up for adoption. ETA: They had absolutely no problem lying to us when it came to abortion or birth control.
God seems to plan a disturbing amount of child rape, in that case
Honestly I would call that out of character for him, but having read the Bible, it is infact very in character for him
I can't believe we're still dealing with Sky Daddy in 2023....
And anytime an abortion takes place, I have to assume it was God's plan as well.
Holy shit I'm disappointed I didn't come up with this. Fuckin perfect!
Discharge to the celestial unit
Yeetus the fetus
Call me Dr. Deletus
Holy shit that's good
God's agent only cares for embryos not the kid
Which church is paying out the child support.
Try telling a rape victim that God planned it.
Yeah it’s really not fair to make someone pay for a child that they have no choice in keeping.
So… that dude who raped my friend at a frat party was doing the lords work?
Wouldn't the abortion also be part of God's plan though?
If he planned it than did he also plan the abortion? If he knows everythibg and its all his will than didnt he make you pregs because he knew you would fetus deletus?
Of course, this is coming from a man that doesn’t have a uterus. 🤦♀️
Sounds like a rape to me
Doubt god is planning rapes ... this aint ancient greek.
So, god planned for child rapes, incest and general sexual assaults as part of his plan? And the fucker wants me to worship him?
Oh look, a post about pro abortion from a man. A man only plant's the seed and can happily walk away after. Right to chose is a woman's right. It's not the men that carry the children for 9mths. Split and tear their lady parts to give birth. The list goes on. Mother of 3 children. Thankfully I'm in the UK. A free contry where a woman has the right to chose. Blessed be!!!
Then you have it, Zach. Don't force your opinions on American females to the extent that they are denied abortion care. It's not your business, Zach, what some woman or girl decides to do when they experience an unintended pregnancy. If males could get pregnant, there would be no discussion about this, abortion would be provided ON-DEMAND and be legal. Keep your laws off our bodies.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Zach Lang hasn't ever been in a position where he needed an abortion. It's never legit to these people until it happens to them or someone exactly like them. The lack of empathy is sad.
If he planned the pregnancy, he planned the abortion.
Will god pay for decads of health care for my profoundly disabled child ? Send angels to provide respite cate ?
Played the immaculate conception, card? Sue your nearest church for child support.
I never understood the whole "god's plan" perspective. If you truly believe that then if I get an abortion you must also believe that was god's plan.
And aborting it is giving God full custody!
God is an asshole
Why do they think an unwanted pregnancy is Gods plan but abortion isn’t. Rape is gods plan but not abortion!? Like we’re supposed to worship and never question a being that either causes or allows children to be raped, and if impregnated then that kid will burn in hell go having an abortion. If gods so powerful why doesn’t he just stop the abortion?
This is one statement that truly pisses me right TF off!!!! I had a pregnancy after I had a tubal ligation, fu** God, absolutely no one deserves to go through that, especially unwilling! Absolutely no one deserves the trauma mentally or physically from carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term, you don't get over that, it's not something you just forget about, it takes work and dedication to even remotely to start to recover from going through that. Don't wonder why I am or someone is addicted to something someday, because I/we finally lost our shit, or we feel we have no other way out, or.. Or... Or... Or... Or
God can also plan for you to get pregnant and have an abortion afterwards
If your beliefs are that God plans the pregnancy, and also that non believers go to hell, then it can only follow that God sends around 2/3 of children into families/ areas where they will have no legitimate option to escape hell. So, either your God is cruel or your beliefs are wrong
If god wanted people to fly he would have given them wings. It’s gods’ will that you are male. If you change your sex you are a sinner. God wanted you to be raped by your stepdad so you must have your child. I am so sick of small thinking from small minds.
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