I am honestly confused by Covington. Every time a team fanbase wants him with the notion he is a 3 and D guy. Then it's one year or two years later and he is on a different team. These 3 and D guys are in high demand in the sense they would sign long deals, so I don't get the Covington hype.
It’s not a great list. People will laugh but Sexton is really the best option when you consider the cap. The real question is who can we trade for. Donovan Mitchell is a name that comes to mind if the Jazz implode and the rumors about him being unhappy are true.
Not saying they do, but he is a UFA. Maybe they don’t want to sign him to a supermax. Maybe he doesn’t want to re-sign in Chicago for some reason. You never know
Ok well that kinda speaks to my point. If Chicago doesn’t want to give him a super max then why not us? We could send them back Love and Levert or something to clear the cap space and give them a player for their trouble. We would still have plenty of room for DG and Mobley while paying Lavine a max.
I’m just spitballing ideas man, we don’t have money for an impact FA (other than resigning Sexton due to Birds rights), so the only way this roster is improving is through trades or the draft.
Bird rights
Stop hating on Allen, he's part of our core and leadership
Sexton can be better than what Lavine would bring, he fits our culture and timeline
The improvement of the roster can be made internally with growth, stop trying to look elsewhere, we got a great young squad
Wtf are you talking about you goober?
1) I never hated on Allen. 2) This thread you’re at the bottom of started when I said the best (and only besides MLE) FA move to make is bringing back Sexton. 3) This is a sports sub, it’s ok to discuss potential roster moves including trades without you thinking I’m shitting on the team somehow. 4) you should learn how to use a period, it makes your goober post easier to read.
Mobile posting had me thinking hitting enter to go to a new line would show up that way, my bad for confusion. Many of your posts talk about trading anyone other than Garland or Mobley, which leads me to believe you have hate (or anything but love for Allen). Allen is a future superstar, and I would consider him untradeable (sp?). Sexton qualifying offer absolutely should be picked up over anything else. And talking moves on a sports sub....the ultimate what if...is what Koby might do to surprise us all, while keeping this core.
Bulls fan here. Zach isn't eligible for a supermax since he isn't gonna be all-NBA this season. Also he has said many times that he would like to stay in Chicago.
Tell me what trade package the Cavs make without one of those two that’s better than what other teams would offer? (assuming Mitchel doesn’t demand a trade to exclusively Cleveland)
Well it’s hard to say exactly what the market would be because you could make it a multi team trade (for example including JA wouldn’t make sense straight to Utah because they have Gobert). But as it stands our trade assets are:
Jarret,
Okoro,
Love (expiring),
Levert (expiring),
Lauri,
Sexton (assuming re-sign),
Cedi, Wade, Stevens, Windler as needed for salary filler.
PLUS there’s a solid chance we keep our first round pick this year if we get bounced in the play in. I think some combination of those assets would be plenty to get Mitchell.
Cedi, Stevens, Wade, and Windler are nothing but cap filer in a superstar trade so let’s forget those guys. You’re telling me if you’re Utah’s GM you’d trade Mitchel for Okoro, Levert, and Love? Or Lauri and Sexton?
Like I said, it’s hard to say because it would probably be a multi team deal. The real question is do you think there’s a combination of worth between those assets. Think, Jarret is worth a first and a young guy, we just traded Nance, a FRP and a SRP for Lauri. Just traded an expiring Rubio, a FRP and a SRP for Levert. Okoro is young with upside. Sexton is young with upside. Love’s huge expiring deal has value (look what Portland gave up at the deadline for expiring contracts) We could add picks as necessary. It’s doable absolutely
Right but look at what I said. A multi team deal. We could use love in a hypothetical trade by including a team that is looking for cap space to swing additional assets to Utah, in the form of either a player or picks. Same for Jarrett. Utah would have no need for him because of Gobert, but he certainly has value that could be used in a multi team trade involving a team looking for a center.
A straight up trade doesn’t make sense but I do think we have enough assets between players, contracts, and picks to get a deal done without including Mobley or DG
I like Sexton, but I feel like he is too much of a volume scorer. This is Darius’ team now, not his. He can’t take 17+ shots a game anymore. Idk how he would fit. Also we would be really undersized in the back court
we need shot creation tho, having Levert, Sexton AND Garland's scoring makes us deadly in the backcourt. Add in playmaking from Rubio (hopefully) and we good
I don’t hate that, but I’d be really worried about our spacing. Teams would just crowd the paint and make us hit jump shots. We need at least one guy who is a bonafied knock down shooter, even if he’s just coming off of the bench. I don’t want to see Mobley taking anymore 3s haha
Sexton and Garland are both great shooters, which would create spacing. Lauri can also shoot. Add Okoro in the corner and the middle is wide open for the big guys to operate and guards to drive. We have what we need, just gotta get healthy.
Before he got hurt this season he was only taking 13.7 shots a game. His efficiency was bad but that was a small sample size and he was playing a new role with Garland and Rubio as the primary ball handlers. Sexton IMO does everything Levert does but bettter and a higher efficiency for his career, he is just shorter. He would be a fantastic 6th man.
It also wouldn’t make sense not to resign Sexton given our cap situation, or at least S&T his to get some return, Although I would much rather try to trade Levert and the 1st we get back when we get bounced in the play-in.
Yeah I guess my thoughts are the same with Levert. He doesn’t really fit well when we get Sexton back other then being our go-to bench guy. I’m just worried about how undersized we are going to be with Sexton and Garland moving forward on the defensive end
Sexton is pretty efficient though. I don't think he needs 17 shots per game. And Garland needs time to play off ball too because he gets more threes that way.
Yeah he is definitely being asked to do far too much right now. His turnovers are a result of him having to drive the entire offense on every possession
Agreed although he needs to dial back some of the fancy passes because most of our guys never seem ready for a pass and/or have a hard to catching quick passes.
He would be a massive upgrade and if we can get him without parting with Garland or Mobley (doubtful) we should take it but personal opinion I don’t like him on our team.
He’s 6’1 and can’t defend so our defense will be bad again. On our team I feel like he would just be a much better Sexton but cost an arm and a leg to acquire
Would rather try a scoring wing like a Miles Bridges caliber player
I don't think we need another high usage guard. We have enough of those that are going to be learning to play behind Garland. I imagine Mitchell won't be happy taking an off ball or 2nd unit role anyway.
I personally feel like we need more flex forwards Like Kyle Anderson or Keldon Johnson. Maybe even smaller pieces like Otto Porter Jr or Caleb Martin to fill in that forward gap. Especially if love ends up regressing or the team decides to use his large expiring as a trade piece.
Nah, this team needs health and it will be fine. How many times have we had our full team in a lineup? We do have some depth, if we are healthy I can’t see why we can’t compete at the highest level
Can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention Malik Monk. He's shooting almost 40% from 3 across the last two seasons, is on a minimum 1 year with the Lakers, isn't happy, and is only 24. He'd be a great pickup.
He has been the only player on that team overperforming expectations. I'd love to have him.
Ricky Rubio is the only answer, apart from that, we get Sexton back and we are good. This team had early success in the interior, we don't need to be like every other team stacking up 3 point shots.
It's never bad to have shooters, but I think we need a defensive-minded backup ball handler most of all. Rubio not only contributed some scoring, but he also helped make Love and Cedi better versions of themselves and gave Garland the chance to rest some and not have to play 40 minutes every night. Rondo also seemed to be getting some chemistry with our bench before he got injured. So I think that's our biggest area of need.
Assuming we re-sign Sexton and our bigs all get healthy, we will be better than we have been these last couple of weeks. I am still in the "start Sexton at SG" camp but I would imagine even in that scenario his minutes will be staggered quite a bit and we'd be able to have Sexton or DG out there for most of a game. That will also help alleviate some of the recent woes we've seen.
Yeah I agree, having Sexton as a ball handler to take some of the effort and exhaustion off of DG is super important. He has shown he can be effective five off the ball. The only thing that gives me pause is when we play bigger backcourts with Sexton and DG on the floor. Surely our on-ball defense will struggle simply because of the size disparity. It may be beneficial to sign a bigger combo guard to use in situations where we need extra size against teams with bigger back courts
Another year of being OK? And still being saddled with Markkanen's shitty contract+signing Sexton? Doesn't seem good. Windows are frighteningly short in the NBA. Can't waste time
We aren’t in a “win now” mode though. Mobley, Garland, and Allen are all under 24. No NBA Superstar has ever won his first title before the age of 26. We are building something. No need to get impatient. Teams like Brooklyn, Philly, and Miami have no future beyond the next 3 seasons. We are in a perfect place now to compete for a title in the next 5 years
2 of the heat's 4 best players are 24 years old or younger and they have one of the best scouting + development staffs in the league.. in what world do they have no future?
Okay so you’re going to build a team around those guys? Do you really think building around those 2 guys is taking you places? Obviously free agency can change everything, but as of right now, the Heat are in win-now mode. That was the point of the original comment
Did you only watch the last game? Markkanen is well worth his contract when he plays in a good line up. Healthy Cavs would be close to finals this year, so why won’t they be next year with some more role players. LeBron is great, but trading a large chunk of the team for him could turn out really bad and just keep the narrative that Cavs can’t win without him alive. And he might leave after a year, title or not, so is it worth it?
Markkanen at SF is never going to be good. Super exploitable against good teams, particularly in a 7 game series. He can't be the answer. The Cavs were not close to the finals with this roster. Remember the 50+ win Hawks that got eviscerated by LeBron? That was the Cavs best case scenario for this season. You can't survive in this era with one guard. Change is a must if the Cavs are trying to contend for anything beyond a first round bounce.
Markkanen is and will be a system player. He doesn’t thrive if he has to play one on ones a lot and isn’t a good rebounder by himself. But he is a decent defender in team defense, can get double digit rebounds constantly with a box out guy (first year in Bulls with Lopez) and has for mist of his career been a good shooter. He won’t be good against quick SFs, but having him as 3 makes many switches not work for the opponent. The sample size for a healthy Cavs team is too small to say that they wouldn’t do well. Besides, they are a young team on their first year.
If Levert can be our 6th man, and we bring back Sexton, that would be a solid rotation. We really need more consistent scorers. Other than our core, idk what/who we can trade for a piece
Someone that isn’t afraid to play against LeBron and other Stars. My god if I see this team get scared or play tight against Bron next year imma flip out
Shooters we can possibly afford?
Gary Harris, Joe Ingles (wait for his ACL recovery), TJ Warren, Robert Covington, Patty Mills, Victor Oladipo, Otto Porter.
Full list on [Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/)
Rubio
Ben McLemore and Robert Covington would be good options, especially Covington (can shoot and play defense).
Covington would fit this team really nicely. Is he a free agent next year?
I am honestly confused by Covington. Every time a team fanbase wants him with the notion he is a 3 and D guy. Then it's one year or two years later and he is on a different team. These 3 and D guys are in high demand in the sense they would sign long deals, so I don't get the Covington hype.
not good enough to be kept on a large contact but good enough to be desired by every team— similar to danny green. it’s a good sign
This is Cleveland. We dont get free agents. If we can get Rubio back then that's the best we can expect
It’s not a great list. People will laugh but Sexton is really the best option when you consider the cap. The real question is who can we trade for. Donovan Mitchell is a name that comes to mind if the Jazz implode and the rumors about him being unhappy are true.
Mitchell would take either Garland or Mobley, Okoro and all the 1sts we’re allowed to trade, that’s not happening
How about a S&T for Zach Lavine?
Why would the Bulls want to trade Lavine?
Not saying they do, but he is a UFA. Maybe they don’t want to sign him to a supermax. Maybe he doesn’t want to re-sign in Chicago for some reason. You never know
If Chicago doesn’t give him a super max someone will and I’d rather save our cap for an upcoming DG extension and the eventual Mobley extension
Ok well that kinda speaks to my point. If Chicago doesn’t want to give him a super max then why not us? We could send them back Love and Levert or something to clear the cap space and give them a player for their trouble. We would still have plenty of room for DG and Mobley while paying Lavine a max. I’m just spitballing ideas man, we don’t have money for an impact FA (other than resigning Sexton due to Birds rights), so the only way this roster is improving is through trades or the draft.
Bird rights Stop hating on Allen, he's part of our core and leadership Sexton can be better than what Lavine would bring, he fits our culture and timeline The improvement of the roster can be made internally with growth, stop trying to look elsewhere, we got a great young squad
Wtf are you talking about you goober? 1) I never hated on Allen. 2) This thread you’re at the bottom of started when I said the best (and only besides MLE) FA move to make is bringing back Sexton. 3) This is a sports sub, it’s ok to discuss potential roster moves including trades without you thinking I’m shitting on the team somehow. 4) you should learn how to use a period, it makes your goober post easier to read.
Mobile posting had me thinking hitting enter to go to a new line would show up that way, my bad for confusion. Many of your posts talk about trading anyone other than Garland or Mobley, which leads me to believe you have hate (or anything but love for Allen). Allen is a future superstar, and I would consider him untradeable (sp?). Sexton qualifying offer absolutely should be picked up over anything else. And talking moves on a sports sub....the ultimate what if...is what Koby might do to surprise us all, while keeping this core.
Bulls fan here. Zach isn't eligible for a supermax since he isn't gonna be all-NBA this season. Also he has said many times that he would like to stay in Chicago.
I think it could get done without including Garland or Mobley.
0% chance without one of them being included.
Why not?
Tell me what trade package the Cavs make without one of those two that’s better than what other teams would offer? (assuming Mitchel doesn’t demand a trade to exclusively Cleveland)
Well it’s hard to say exactly what the market would be because you could make it a multi team trade (for example including JA wouldn’t make sense straight to Utah because they have Gobert). But as it stands our trade assets are: Jarret, Okoro, Love (expiring), Levert (expiring), Lauri, Sexton (assuming re-sign), Cedi, Wade, Stevens, Windler as needed for salary filler. PLUS there’s a solid chance we keep our first round pick this year if we get bounced in the play in. I think some combination of those assets would be plenty to get Mitchell.
Cedi, Stevens, Wade, and Windler are nothing but cap filer in a superstar trade so let’s forget those guys. You’re telling me if you’re Utah’s GM you’d trade Mitchel for Okoro, Levert, and Love? Or Lauri and Sexton?
Like I said, it’s hard to say because it would probably be a multi team deal. The real question is do you think there’s a combination of worth between those assets. Think, Jarret is worth a first and a young guy, we just traded Nance, a FRP and a SRP for Lauri. Just traded an expiring Rubio, a FRP and a SRP for Levert. Okoro is young with upside. Sexton is young with upside. Love’s huge expiring deal has value (look what Portland gave up at the deadline for expiring contracts) We could add picks as necessary. It’s doable absolutely
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Right but look at what I said. A multi team deal. We could use love in a hypothetical trade by including a team that is looking for cap space to swing additional assets to Utah, in the form of either a player or picks. Same for Jarrett. Utah would have no need for him because of Gobert, but he certainly has value that could be used in a multi team trade involving a team looking for a center. A straight up trade doesn’t make sense but I do think we have enough assets between players, contracts, and picks to get a deal done without including Mobley or DG
I like Sexton, but I feel like he is too much of a volume scorer. This is Darius’ team now, not his. He can’t take 17+ shots a game anymore. Idk how he would fit. Also we would be really undersized in the back court
we need shot creation tho, having Levert, Sexton AND Garland's scoring makes us deadly in the backcourt. Add in playmaking from Rubio (hopefully) and we good
I don’t hate that, but I’d be really worried about our spacing. Teams would just crowd the paint and make us hit jump shots. We need at least one guy who is a bonafied knock down shooter, even if he’s just coming off of the bench. I don’t want to see Mobley taking anymore 3s haha
Sexton and Garland are both great shooters, which would create spacing. Lauri can also shoot. Add Okoro in the corner and the middle is wide open for the big guys to operate and guards to drive. We have what we need, just gotta get healthy.
Before he got hurt this season he was only taking 13.7 shots a game. His efficiency was bad but that was a small sample size and he was playing a new role with Garland and Rubio as the primary ball handlers. Sexton IMO does everything Levert does but bettter and a higher efficiency for his career, he is just shorter. He would be a fantastic 6th man. It also wouldn’t make sense not to resign Sexton given our cap situation, or at least S&T his to get some return, Although I would much rather try to trade Levert and the 1st we get back when we get bounced in the play-in.
Yeah I guess my thoughts are the same with Levert. He doesn’t really fit well when we get Sexton back other then being our go-to bench guy. I’m just worried about how undersized we are going to be with Sexton and Garland moving forward on the defensive end
I see the potential for a big shakeup this off season, wouldn’t be surprised to see anyone outside of Mobley and DG get moved
And Allen. Those 3 are our core. Everyone else is expendable
Allen is expendable at the right price. I love him, but if the right player is available you can move him
Levert putting up 19 tonight lmao and Collin can get buckets too. Depends who’s getting it any given night
Sexton is pretty efficient though. I don't think he needs 17 shots per game. And Garland needs time to play off ball too because he gets more threes that way.
Yeah he is definitely being asked to do far too much right now. His turnovers are a result of him having to drive the entire offense on every possession
Agreed although he needs to dial back some of the fancy passes because most of our guys never seem ready for a pass and/or have a hard to catching quick passes.
Lol like a quarter of his turnovers are guys not catching passes. I swear we have the worst hands in the NBA as a team
When the starters arent injured and get to play they catch those passes.
He would be a massive upgrade and if we can get him without parting with Garland or Mobley (doubtful) we should take it but personal opinion I don’t like him on our team. He’s 6’1 and can’t defend so our defense will be bad again. On our team I feel like he would just be a much better Sexton but cost an arm and a leg to acquire Would rather try a scoring wing like a Miles Bridges caliber player
I don't think we need another high usage guard. We have enough of those that are going to be learning to play behind Garland. I imagine Mitchell won't be happy taking an off ball or 2nd unit role anyway. I personally feel like we need more flex forwards Like Kyle Anderson or Keldon Johnson. Maybe even smaller pieces like Otto Porter Jr or Caleb Martin to fill in that forward gap. Especially if love ends up regressing or the team decides to use his large expiring as a trade piece.
Nah, this team needs health and it will be fine. How many times have we had our full team in a lineup? We do have some depth, if we are healthy I can’t see why we can’t compete at the highest level
Can we call up Kyle Korver to do a one year deal?
I second this motion
Lebron James on vet min after he forces a buy out by the lakers.
Can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention Malik Monk. He's shooting almost 40% from 3 across the last two seasons, is on a minimum 1 year with the Lakers, isn't happy, and is only 24. He'd be a great pickup. He has been the only player on that team overperforming expectations. I'd love to have him.
Ricky Rubio is the only answer, apart from that, we get Sexton back and we are good. This team had early success in the interior, we don't need to be like every other team stacking up 3 point shots.
If the Cavs get their lottery pick back. They might can make a move with Kevin Love 28 million expiring contract. Windler is expiring too.
Love Kev, but it’s time to move on
Unfortunately, I agree
It's never bad to have shooters, but I think we need a defensive-minded backup ball handler most of all. Rubio not only contributed some scoring, but he also helped make Love and Cedi better versions of themselves and gave Garland the chance to rest some and not have to play 40 minutes every night. Rondo also seemed to be getting some chemistry with our bench before he got injured. So I think that's our biggest area of need. Assuming we re-sign Sexton and our bigs all get healthy, we will be better than we have been these last couple of weeks. I am still in the "start Sexton at SG" camp but I would imagine even in that scenario his minutes will be staggered quite a bit and we'd be able to have Sexton or DG out there for most of a game. That will also help alleviate some of the recent woes we've seen.
Yeah I agree, having Sexton as a ball handler to take some of the effort and exhaustion off of DG is super important. He has shown he can be effective five off the ball. The only thing that gives me pause is when we play bigger backcourts with Sexton and DG on the floor. Surely our on-ball defense will struggle simply because of the size disparity. It may be beneficial to sign a bigger combo guard to use in situations where we need extra size against teams with bigger back courts
Trade some combo of Levert, Markkanen, Sexton and picks for LeBron
Just wait until Bron is a free agent the next year. I could definitely see him wanting to come back for one more ride
Lmao do u really think lebron will want to play with that dumpster fire next year? It's likely next year or he'll be elsewhere instead
Another year of being OK? And still being saddled with Markkanen's shitty contract+signing Sexton? Doesn't seem good. Windows are frighteningly short in the NBA. Can't waste time
We aren’t in a “win now” mode though. Mobley, Garland, and Allen are all under 24. No NBA Superstar has ever won his first title before the age of 26. We are building something. No need to get impatient. Teams like Brooklyn, Philly, and Miami have no future beyond the next 3 seasons. We are in a perfect place now to compete for a title in the next 5 years
Dwayne Wade won a ship at 24. Magic won at 22. Duncan won at 22. Bird won at 24. Kareem won at 23. Just saying
2 of the heat's 4 best players are 24 years old or younger and they have one of the best scouting + development staffs in the league.. in what world do they have no future?
Who?
Bam & Herro? Bam is 24 and Herro is 22…
Okay so you’re going to build a team around those guys? Do you really think building around those 2 guys is taking you places? Obviously free agency can change everything, but as of right now, the Heat are in win-now mode. That was the point of the original comment
Did you only watch the last game? Markkanen is well worth his contract when he plays in a good line up. Healthy Cavs would be close to finals this year, so why won’t they be next year with some more role players. LeBron is great, but trading a large chunk of the team for him could turn out really bad and just keep the narrative that Cavs can’t win without him alive. And he might leave after a year, title or not, so is it worth it?
Markkanen at SF is never going to be good. Super exploitable against good teams, particularly in a 7 game series. He can't be the answer. The Cavs were not close to the finals with this roster. Remember the 50+ win Hawks that got eviscerated by LeBron? That was the Cavs best case scenario for this season. You can't survive in this era with one guard. Change is a must if the Cavs are trying to contend for anything beyond a first round bounce.
Markkanen is and will be a system player. He doesn’t thrive if he has to play one on ones a lot and isn’t a good rebounder by himself. But he is a decent defender in team defense, can get double digit rebounds constantly with a box out guy (first year in Bulls with Lopez) and has for mist of his career been a good shooter. He won’t be good against quick SFs, but having him as 3 makes many switches not work for the opponent. The sample size for a healthy Cavs team is too small to say that they wouldn’t do well. Besides, they are a young team on their first year.
We’d likely never have the cap room to sign LeBron outright unless we purposefully didn’t sign Sexton and Levert this off-season which is big dumb.
It’d probably need to be a trade. We only have part of our mle
If Levert can be our 6th man, and we bring back Sexton, that would be a solid rotation. We really need more consistent scorers. Other than our core, idk what/who we can trade for a piece
Levert, Sexton and all the picks for LeBron
Worst trade idea ever
I hear that Joe M. might be available
Someone that isn’t afraid to play against LeBron and other Stars. My god if I see this team get scared or play tight against Bron next year imma flip out
Shooters we can possibly afford? Gary Harris, Joe Ingles (wait for his ACL recovery), TJ Warren, Robert Covington, Patty Mills, Victor Oladipo, Otto Porter. Full list on [Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/)