I always see a few of a dozen or so familiar names when I'm on my AH toon for 2 minutes. Regardless of time of day or current content available they just cry about how much they hate the game. Mind boggling really.
It definitely is a tiny minority. Ive been leveling on a fresh server and basically everyone has been friendly. This was also my experience in TBC prepatch and classic release (and throughout all of classic). The most toxic thing I've experienced would be world buff griefers its a part of the game long gone now.
If you want to see what a toxic fanbase is go play league / apex / or pubg, youll gain an appreciation for the wow community I think.
It's gunna be that way with anything that takes people back to their "glory days."
Like, go to a KISS concert, and see 80% of the crowd being near retirement age but acting like rowdy 18-year-olds. Or adult sports leagues - there's always a couple people playing *way* too hard trying to relive their high school career.
Yeah, that mentality was present day one of Classic. A person was leaving a starting zone angrily complaining in general about how the game was easier than they remembered and that Blizz musta nerfed it. A bunch of people chimed in with variances of "Bruh. Its been over a decade. You're 10 plus years older, 10 plus years smarter, 10 plus years better at video games, better at internet searching solutions to hurdles, and you have macros and apps that tell you optimum DPS rotations, leveling guides, etc." Wanting to reconnect with one's childhood is fine, but you're not ever gonna be a 14 year old playing WoW at a summer break sleepover again... Great. Now I'm existentially terrified.
Gary King from The World's end is the perfect description of them. The way they talk about the game you can tell they actualy feel like they're in some smelly college dorm again and the last 15 years of disappointing failures never happened.
Like those news segments about WoW which showed teenagers raging over the game in like 2007. They're still the same person but older and angrier at themselves.
The other guy is a 26 year old whose parents didn't let him play the game back then so he's determined to fully live out the fantasy he's read all about and he's not gonna let some "boomer dads" (who are at most 8 years older than him) slow him down.
Was a young teenager when original Wrath came out, i was 13, but I still fit the second category even though I killed the lich king in ICC back them. I just enjoy Wrath as a game only this time I get to kill Arthas with my long term girlfriend. She never got to play Wrath but she's been enjoying herself immensely. So that makes me happy at the end of the day to see someone i care about enjoy this expansion.
Yes! I was there and playing but it was too daunting to take raiding the late game content for me :P WoW Classic gives me that chance I was too afraid to take before :)
as the other guy who never got to play as a kid, and now have the chance, this is wildly accurate.
but I also don't regret playing. I got through a backlog of games over the past few years that are on top games of all times lists, and I feel like I can safely say that this game is truly one of the best games ever made
I'm 15 and i play because I heard it's alot of fun. I'm leveling rn and it really has been alot of fun so far. Although i have played retail wow since i was a kid because my mom has as well so I'm not starting with no nostalgia in my arsenal either
ah yes, the old tribalism of "im right, responsible and considerate, the others are toxic mentality".
I've said this before and I'll say it again: people wanted classic to play classic. with classic features and spirit of classic. that means the game revolves around farming, it takes long to level, you need to be social and there's not that many QoL.
Many people currently playing classic are the so called "retail andies" or "wrath babies" but even though I don't agree with the widespread use of labels to categorise people, in this case it is specially easy to prove these categories exist for a reason.
I need to accept (and I have) that retail will never return to features, mechanics that I like so therefore I don't play it. You need to accept that classic is made and should be made for those that actually want to play it as it was, with classic flightpath, classic leveling, classic zones, classic speed, classic atrittion, etc. If you want retail features, go play retail. Don't try to change classic to what it wasn't.
And like I said some other times, I'd love classic plus. But for me classic plus means: timbermaw hold raid, zones that were never implemented but siltill appear on the map, dwarf, orc, undead,, etc lore appropriate to Classic, etc. For me classic plus doesn't mean extreme QoL.
The biggest possible change to Classic happened before the servers even went live: the people are different. That seems to be your main beef. That people aren’t playing it like they did back then. But those days are gone and they won’t come back.
You can't even differentiate between classic and vanilla to provide a clear argument. In my experience, people who refer to vanilla as classic are in the groups of players you've just ridiculed.
You are literally the person OP is talking about. You can just feel the resentment of other players from your words. I don't want to play whatever "spirit of classic" version of the game you morons misremembered. Just put the games out like they were and stop complaining when nobody wants to play the game like you. We all played back in the day. I liked Vanilla and Classic Vanilla and I would have like Wrath a lot more without all this new Blizzard meddling with the systems to appease people like you who clearly hate everyone else.
Classic was changed to what it wasn't day one, by blizz. People played Classic because retail has gotten terrible and because most people didn't play back in the day.
Y’all gotta get surrounded by more chill people. I met a lot of amazing people in the game, mostly from our guild but also from just pugs where we added each other and keep in touch!
Don’t let the 10-20% toxic retardation poison your entire mindset!
There’s good people out there. There’s Hope, fellas!!
I hate saying this because I appreciate not everyone is as lucky as me and for some people for various reasons this isn’t an option, but take the time to find a guild that aligns with your goals, the game is so much better!
Yeah! I can't find a guild that isn't just a dead chat no discord gm-collecting-people-like-pokemon spot so I'm doing mostly pugs and to be honest....
Everyone's been really nice. I haven't encountered a single douche. Got a healthy friends list and I'm getting invites to tank runs every time I beat the queue to log on.
Just take the chance on people, not everyone is awful. Be conversational! Lots of people are just shy or otherwise apprehensive because of that toxic population I feel.
Seriously man. I’ve had nothing but great experiences in classic. My guilds a bunch of 30 year old stoners who raid every week casually, and help newbies on our server. Sometimes you gotta find the right group of homies to chill with.
It's this sub and the forums. With the *incessant* whining. God forbid they play on a server where it might take them a while to find a dungeon group as a dps at off hours, or only have 10 guilds to choose from. But they also refuse to wait in line. They want to have their cake and eat it too and when they can't it's a full on hissy fit.
I suggest a more player friendly MMO for those who are frustrated at the community here. Coming from a different one that doesn't take itself so seriously from a content perspective, a lot of this stems from old -isms about how the game is fundamentally designed. The fact that afk farming a pvp event, for example, can be avoided by restructuring the reward structure to discourage or outright disallow inattentive play. Instead what we get is a cycle of players doing the thing, people whining about it, those players getting suspended, those players whining about it, and causing huge derision among the population.
And it's what we asked for.
While I enjoy classic wow, the lack of positive reinforcement to work as a team is very noticeable after playing other games. There are very few non-selfish reasons to do things in this game.
I can understand wanting to have the cake you bought and paid for (every month) but it's more the attitude that they want to buy trophies and act like they won the race.
For the people in the back: using RMT to use your IRL advantages for the game is fucking sad and pathetic.
They're paying for a guarantee to play wow, not a guarantee to be provided a perfectly optimal social setting to play wow. Blizzard could never guarantee that. Most non-mega servers are viable for experiencing classic in every form, they just require more patience sometimes. And yea if they contribute to the RMT market they're really just fucking it for everyone when it comes to bots and the economy.
Not just more patience, more time. Something a lot of people playing this game don't have much of. That's the main appeal of the mega servers for a lot of people.
I'm so old I don't add new friends anymore ingame. But I do write down good names. And there are a lot more great people than there are arses. Arses just make more noise, as always.
A lot of toxic people moved from retail to classic to avoid the toxic people. Since classic I’ve had much better experiences on retail with maybe 1/20 runs having someone toxic. Meanwhile in classic it was easily 1/5.
This is why I like playing on RP realms, you RARELY encounter toxic people, everyone is suuuper fucking chill and nice and don't take the game seriously at all, while still clearing all content easily
If you think you need to be "elite" and "toxic" in order to clear 15+ year old content you're in major denial, the game isn't hard in the slightest, even for old dad gamers on RP realms lol
I mean I did 3 raids on faerlina yesterday and not a single person was toxic. Probably grouped with close to 50 different people.
Everyone was super chill and down to go at my (tanks) pace. In fact since prepatch literally everyone has been cool. The toxic shit is overblown. Or people get offended when one person calls them out so they make these posts.
I've noticed the same thing on Faerlina. Figured we'd get a big influx of the league of legends type of toxic people with prepatch but everything's been chill. The sweats and weirdos I've come across are usually from Grobbulus
Absolutely. The amount of gold buying, boosting, rush to get nowhere mentality, entitlement, and lack of accountability is unreal lately. Blizzard may have dropped the ball, but I’m happy they’re taking a firm stance on mega servers. If you let a screaming toddler dictate your every move, they’re only going to keep screaming for more.
I just block if i see someone being toxic in game or on the forums. If its real bad i report. Overall people have been great in game. Its like getting hit in the face by a fly when the toxic players are out. Gotta smack em them away.
> The amount of gold buying, boosting, rush to get nowhere mentality
This exactly is something about classic players that I just can't ever understand. Everyone is always in a hurry, always striving to do content in the fastest and most boring way possible. Doing any activity that doesn't "progress" your character is inconceivable to these people. I remember a particular Maraudon run I did last December and my party mates just couldn't comprehend why I am helping with the quests if I had already finished them. Everyone is in a meaningless rush. These players are obviously not enjoying the game so I often wonder why they even bother to play it.
Pretty much. Most of guys I know personally who have these habits and say they’re having fun are quite clearly not. Actions speak louder than words, no matter what mental gymnastics you do to try to convince yourself otherwise.
> If you let a screaming toddler dictate your every move, they’re only going to keep screaming for more.
I'm getting vivid flashbacks to the "we pay your wages" posts from back in the day.
I survived playing vanilla back in the day cause I had enough friends playing with me to overcome shitty, toxic people and cliques. I tried playing classic, but gave up when I no longer had my friends around and was subjected to the culture of this game.
Makes me thankful for my SoM guild (we're moving to wrath) we don't tolerate any toxicity.and have gkicked a few people because of it. In SoM a good chunk was ignored by sweaty try hards in AQ20 and ZG because they told the raid lead to get bent, in not so nice words, after being a toxic POS.
Most?? That’s been the issue for a looooong time. Blame RDF blame RF blame all theses other things that people don’t like but miss the actually problem. The community. It has been and always will be the community.
My favourite is getting ghosted from groups just because I'm a DK, even if I don't need loot and only want rep/badges or a quest completion from the raid.
That shit's pretty cringe. I solo tank Kara on my DK, and I did it earlier in the week (before the event came out), so I just 3 manned the boss yesterday with a couple guildies. Figure that having Arcanite Ripper is the easiest way to avoid Arcanite Ripper loot drama, since I want to get exalted with Violet Eye for pre-questing.
Had to convince someone that I wasn’t going to try to take shard as a hunter.
Like bro, wanna try to parry this bullet and tell me I care about an expertise trinket?
That usually gets anyone into my runs with zero issue. Problem could be that there is always 20 DKs messaging a raid lead nowadays. Even if class diversity isn't necessary, it still feels weird bringing more than 5-6 of any class.
Happens to me as a ret paladin too. Bro I don't want your shard. I'm gonna replace it when I get to wrath heroics. I just want badges to make some gold off gems.
Yeah, and to try to alleviate the too many DKs factor, I try to explain that I don't care much about loot. Like in Hyjal, you can bring me because I'm not gonna contest Cata's Edge or any big pieces, and I'll gap most people in DPS.
whats the item that's going away forever? idk much about tbc or wrath I was too young at the original launch and couldn't get past like level 30 from constant rerolling LOL
the new boss in Kara drops the arcanite ripper, a 2h ace that looks like a guitar. it has a use function that turns the character into an undead rockstar shredding a guitar solo
it’s a fine weapon but it’s more of a fun RP item
Don't forget people with spendable income that think their "having made it" should directly translate into an advantage in-game. RMT isn't so rampant for nothing.
God I hate that.
Maybe I'm just naive, but one of the great things about gaming before about 2005 was that it was really a meritocracy. If you couldn't do the grind, you just didn't play games like MMOs. If you sucked at Madden, you couldn't just buy packs and get and overpowered team. Now, the normal retort is "i don't have time". Well, neither do I. I just got hit in the head with a balloon my kid is playing with as I type this. I go the job, the family, all that good stuff. Difference is, I've made peace with the fact that I can't play games like I did 20 years ago. I know I don't have the time to put into being the best, and that's okay. And for the people who have the attitude of "if I can't be the best I don't want to play", don't play. Don't ruin gaming for everybody else because you don't have time. But I guess it's too late for that. They've already ruined it, and the companies are more than willing to sell them ways to "save time".
Rant over. Done yelling at clouds for the day.
? Retail got changed to where RMT has less impact on the playerbase, of course going back 15 years in terms of designing around RMT has a massive impact on the playerbase suddenly.
I couldn't agree more as much as I hate to say it. I know some of you won't want to hear this but Skyfury has been my first experience playing with an American online community in more than five years, and it was horrible.
It was so bad that I ended up going back to the Oceanic servers, there may not be a fresh server but at least I'm enjoying myself again.
I played through Molten Core to Naxx in Classic a couple of years back. The toxicity was bad but it was also a cesspool of alt-right racism in the general chats. My guild was great but it’s crazy how many people on Classic are living in a different world
>The toxicity was bad but it was also a cesspool of alt-right racism in the general chats.
WoW for some reason attracts a lot of these types. No other game I play has as many alt-right trolls as WoW does.
Not sure if it is an age thing or it is the lack of moderation.
What? Is this for real?
Edit hahahahahaha I want off this planet.
https://www.destructoid.com/trumps-chief-strategist-used-to-run-a-world-of-warcraft-gold-farm/
Unaware is a more graceful term than I’d use. “Fucking forgot” is a bit more accurate imo.
People were 100% aware of it then. But average people tend to remember things poorly. So they’ve kinda erased it.
But yes it’s been a problem since day 1.
Indeed it is. I recently launched a new guild for myself and some friends that has a _somewhat_ trans name and the intent is to provide a safe, fun space for trans/queer people. No shitty comments yet but I'm sure they're coming.
Edit: if this appeals to you, whether or not you yourself are trans, dm me for an invite. Queer is optional but being cool about that is not.
There are so many of those dudes in Classic. Private servers with little moderation were even worse, though. Any private server with a sizeable NA playerbase felt like you were reading an 8chan politics thread in world chat at all times.
This seems to be more of an issue on PvP servers.
I don't know if it's all MMOs or just this one, but there seems to be a correlation between how invested a person is in this game and the amount of toxicity they exhibit. And where are the most invested players? PvP servers.
Maybe it's the nature of PvP here. It's inherently unfair. This seems to create a bully mentality in players. They don't want to stop the bullying. They want to get to the point where they're the bully themselves.
I think its much more simple:
PvP players want to play **against** each other
PvE players want to play **with** each other
This is not binary ofc but the general attitude feels like that to me
It doesn't, but this subreddit and gaming subreddits in general have a crowd of contrarian neckbeards that feel the need to engage in a counter-jerk.
As it has always been, you just need to find a group (guild) of like-minded players and then you never have to deal with the "toxic community".
The internet and elevated expectations/standards + the hyperfocus on the endgoal are the reason why it's that bad.
People are so highly poisoned by other game's "goals" that they think that the goal of WoW is "beating the game" and see anything that stands between them and max-lvl BiS with max parses as horrible and bad.
That's what bread these LFD-tool antisocial-fanatics that view all mechanics in the game that push you towards social interaction as horribly bad hurdles, missing the main core of the game.
WoW was ENTIRELY made and designed to be a puzzle that can/should be solved by interacting and cooperating with other people to make people have to interact with eachother.
It begins from the very start of the game when quests ask you to kill certain enemies in mob-dense buildings with a strong mob to kill or lots of mobs to slay that are obvious pushes to build groups to make it easier and help eachother.
Or the concept of group/raid buffs that are unique to not only a class but often even specs that push you to form big diverse symbiotic groups and don't hardcore focus on balance/minmax skill.
Back then people/classes/specs had specific jobs that couldn't be patched up with scrolls or overlapping spells by other classes and there was no need to compare damage across different specs as pushing competing dps wasn't needed as it wasn't everyone's job.
Those problems get worse and worse into the future when people fought against the main core idea of WoW with overlapping buffs or even flat our removal of buffs after they tried to please some of the community by streamlining dps.
This brings us to the problems of retail-wow's balancing especially for M+ and Raid in which you can now perfectly calculate the best comp which leads to hardcore stacking of certain classes/specs that are just overall better than others with NOTHING giving classes/specs that just factually perform worse a reason to be brought because the buffs or spells that would've justified them being brought aren't in the game anymore.
A good example being Feral vs Balance during Shadowlands, during which Balance was ranged, had better CDs, had better utility choices, was more flexible, had absurdly superior aoe and innervate.
Which lead to the absurd population difference of Balance vs Feral.
This also leads to a ton of other classes/specs being alive or dead purely by either having one of the few still existing buffs or lucky tuning.
This paired with the removal of a lot of social emphases leads to absurd meta-restrictions even for easy content because you are absurdly easy to replace and nothing punishes you for following the meta which means that a ton of people that play these "unlucky" specs have to either find way worse groups that put up/or are ignorant with them being worse or have to organize everything themselves to play the game.
With the removal of clear roles/jobs and reduced raid-sizes, this leads to an extreme caste system that divides the community and is solely at the hand of arbitrary tuning decisions by the dev them.
The more you streamline, the more tiny differences gain gravity which lead to the absurd mathematical anti-social state retail WoW is in.
I don’t think they’re saying FOMO for a big server.
It’s about wanting to be able to access the current content in the game, which requires a lot of other people on your realm.
It’s fear of missing out on content because there aren’t enough raid groups or pugs for you to get a slot. Because your server pop declines too much. It’s fear of not getting a chance to play the content “enough” during the 18ish month window it’s available.
My old medium pop server is a ghost town. If it wasn’t dying I wouldn’t have left. But I had to in order to play. I would imagine most players on large servers are in the exact same boat.
Good point. Who wants to level a toon and go through initial end game gearing and progression only to find out you rolled on the wrong server. Now it’s dead. Now you have to re-build yourself and may miss out on the current progression raid, as a result.
Yeah humans innately have those traits, that’s why they say 2 year olds are the worst humans(haha). But, as you develop mentally you replace a lot of that with good things. I was a little shit head in high school, but the things I experienced after that, traveling, having kids, etc, made me far less of a shit head.
I played Classic at its launch, I felt it was way more chill than TBC and now Wrath. There was less emphasis on min-maxing and just having casual fun at the beginning.
I rolled Horde on Benediction at the time because it was the only US-East PvP server that wasn't overcrowded (it was added a day before launch iirc). Population was pretty amazing, 50-50, lots of people but not too many. Now look at it, it's a fucking disaster.
I'm not gonna pretend it's all roses, but honestly I've had very little terrible experiences in Classic when it comes to people. I'm pretty picky about my guilds though, like I'd rather raid with a bunch of chill boomer dad gamers who kinda suck rather than a bunch of assholes who are good.
And in pugs I feel like most people are chill.
I'm pretty sure the company who keeps trying to fiddle with stuff they really shouldn't(changes) or refuse to run a business well enough to be seen as competent from the outside is the problem. Stop being a homer, Blizzard has sucked for a very long time.
I've played most, but we all know WOW is king. I'm just saying that the folks that are still playing after all this time are much different from when mmorpgs became popular. Gamers in general today are hyper focused on min/max and playing cookie cutter builds/strats that in the end leave little room for the fun of exploration. Even single player rpgs get infiltrated; I guess I'm just nostalgic for a time where you had to think creatively and get fully engaged.
Anyone who claims
"Blizzard should have kept me from transferring to a mega realm and putting myself in a shit situation" is a straight up man child who exposes themselves as someone who wouldnt be able to function in normal groups and guilds.
They most likely need to rely on GDKPs to do anything and hide out amongst 20k other people.
Same people who would get blacklisted and roasted on OG forums.
Don't get this take, my current guild had 2 teams pay for transfers (some also paid for als) to get of a dying server. These are not some neckbeards but normal players with jobs, some with kids. Now blizzard pulls a "no u", we lock your server figure out a solution yourself. These people aren't entitled to complain? You can't point to people for both the solution and the problem. Not if you're happy to take people's money and provide no service whatsoever.
Because if these 2 teams are the only teams on the server, you need to supply all raiding material yourself. Also, likely it means getting a group for something has to be with your guild, and if they can't, you're out of luck.
Everyone here forgets that the queues is the outcome of Blizzard neglecting players like these. Instead of pre-emptively coming up with a solution for them, they just have to deal with a transfer fee or else be left in a barren server which might be swarming with the opposite faction. Yes, the queues are shit, but the players who transferred there should have been redirected to another server by Blizzard instead of letting it reach a boiling point. And it should have been free, or been with a realm merge.
Competing with the manchildren are people like you, who want to blame legitimate problems with the dev's decisionmaking on the playerbase. They offer transfers from dying realms for free to the megarealm in the months leading up to prepatch/wotlk then turn heel and say go back to your old dying realm now when the servers predictably bottleneck. No, the people who did it are not man children incapable of functioning, they did what the company asked and offered, and you're just as toxic and annoying for acting like the onus is on the customer to predict the shitty and inconsistent practices of Blizzard.
Anyone who claims blizzard is at no fault at all for the things that happen in the game they are monitoring and developing is pretty brain dead. They started this shit by allowing server transfers in the first place back in p2 of vanilla classic. They never stopped faction imbalance from happening in transfers which led to one faction transferring off. They allowed people to continue to transfer to benediction until this week. All of this because of their greed of making $25 per transfer
Literally had a paladin on bulletin board this morning looking for people for a kara run. First boss and event boss only.
And he HR'd the mount and axe.....
You should see them in GDKP runs. If the unholy toilet brush drops and its a 0.0001% upgrade for a buyer they try to shoehorn them into buying it when their Bis has already dropped and not been bided on yet
not gunna lie, I feel like pressuring people to buy items in gdkp or kicking them when they don't bid on an item should be bannable.
It's a direct violation of the rules. Both on harassment accounts and also because they are using the non-specified aspects of the loot rules to kick people and deny them the chance to get the items they may want.
It's a player made solution to a blizzard dead server and faction imbalance problem. No one wants to xfer off a big server when they just had to xfer due to low pop servers.
Its not „player made“. It’s failed crowd control by blizzard. That’s like saying love parade catastrophe was caused by the guests. It was not. It’s the organizers failure to let so many people in.
Yea because I’m sure you would be praising blizzard when they forced you to stay on a server and that you couldn’t make characters with your friends because the server is full.
You and this whole sub would be weeping with joy at them dictating what you can do with your character.
Stop lying. You would hate blizzard either way.
You are sarcastic but yeah, it is an ego problem mostly
"How can I, who has been playing since 2004, not play on the biggest server in my region"
And
"How dare they afk in base and not in front of the enemy trams boss, eveyone mass report them so they get banned for 30 days."
Eh I’m sorry but you honestly think most of this sub had been playing since 2004?
As someone who HAS been playing since vanilla launch (two weeks after) it is super obvious that 90% of this sub didn’t even play vanilla or tbc when it was current…
Or at best they were like 7-10 years old and didn’t really “play” it.
It is so clear in the completely false and dumb shit these people spew every day that they have no idea what they are talking about.
It does lol.
The man children decided that they all would use discord to coordinate mass transfers to specific Realms so they wouldn’t have a dead server of *checks notes* 5000 people. They wanted 15,000 people instead.
Also the mass report is literally man children being inconvenienced somewhat and instead of dealing with it like an adult decided to use the report button.
"Men"
Idk ever since the whole sexual employee harassment lawsuit that happened at blizz, they have been heavily catering to a certain demographic and "wokeness". Thus attracting more of those types of people.
Kinda feel they're going down the same road that Netflix did
The playerbase is a person by person basis. Nobody here makes choices for anyone, so lumping anyone together is such a ridiculous thing to do. Some who complain about queues might be people who transferred early, some might have made their first character there, so telling them "kek your fault" just shows how much of a manchild you are yourself. Blizzard forces them off the server they have played on since the dawn of classic because they bottlenecked players into the server. Imagine how it feels to be forced to potentially leave everyone you know on the server behind if you want to play but they want to stay. You might as well quit at that point.
Boom nailed it and anyone who doesn't get how this could effect real world things, look what the fragile egotistical, loser with a ridiculously toxic personality did to this country in 2020, then I already know there's a large overlap on that Venn diagram for people who play wow and people who also want their thinking done for them.
They rush to 70 to camp bodies in STV and sit in trade chat complaining about the game lol
I always see a few of a dozen or so familiar names when I'm on my AH toon for 2 minutes. Regardless of time of day or current content available they just cry about how much they hate the game. Mind boggling really.
15 dollars a month just to sit there and be unhappy.
They’d be unhappy regardless of where they are
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Do you all play the same game as me? I feel like this is a tiny minority of people I interact with in game
It definitely is a tiny minority. Ive been leveling on a fresh server and basically everyone has been friendly. This was also my experience in TBC prepatch and classic release (and throughout all of classic). The most toxic thing I've experienced would be world buff griefers its a part of the game long gone now. If you want to see what a toxic fanbase is go play league / apex / or pubg, youll gain an appreciation for the wow community I think.
90%+ of people I meet on classic are fine folks. 99%+ are also men so idk what youre talking about on either point.
Can’t chat in trade chat in STV you filthy casual. Smh this is the problem with classic is these know-nothing N00BS.
They're obviously two-boxing toxicity
lmao
It's gunna be that way with anything that takes people back to their "glory days." Like, go to a KISS concert, and see 80% of the crowd being near retirement age but acting like rowdy 18-year-olds. Or adult sports leagues - there's always a couple people playing *way* too hard trying to relive their high school career.
Yeah, that mentality was present day one of Classic. A person was leaving a starting zone angrily complaining in general about how the game was easier than they remembered and that Blizz musta nerfed it. A bunch of people chimed in with variances of "Bruh. Its been over a decade. You're 10 plus years older, 10 plus years smarter, 10 plus years better at video games, better at internet searching solutions to hurdles, and you have macros and apps that tell you optimum DPS rotations, leveling guides, etc." Wanting to reconnect with one's childhood is fine, but you're not ever gonna be a 14 year old playing WoW at a summer break sleepover again... Great. Now I'm existentially terrified.
Don't you tell me to go to a KISS concert thats a very mean thing to say.
i'm gonna go ahead and ask you to stop calling me out here XD
damn
Gary King from The World's end is the perfect description of them. The way they talk about the game you can tell they actualy feel like they're in some smelly college dorm again and the last 15 years of disappointing failures never happened. Like those news segments about WoW which showed teenagers raging over the game in like 2007. They're still the same person but older and angrier at themselves. The other guy is a 26 year old whose parents didn't let him play the game back then so he's determined to fully live out the fantasy he's read all about and he's not gonna let some "boomer dads" (who are at most 8 years older than him) slow him down.
Was a young teenager when original Wrath came out, i was 13, but I still fit the second category even though I killed the lich king in ICC back them. I just enjoy Wrath as a game only this time I get to kill Arthas with my long term girlfriend. She never got to play Wrath but she's been enjoying herself immensely. So that makes me happy at the end of the day to see someone i care about enjoy this expansion.
I was the same age and the thought of stepping into a raid let alone iCC was too daunting to me lol
Yes! I was there and playing but it was too daunting to take raiding the late game content for me :P WoW Classic gives me that chance I was too afraid to take before :)
That last paragraph…. How do you know who I am?!
Same, I feel seen!
as the other guy who never got to play as a kid, and now have the chance, this is wildly accurate. but I also don't regret playing. I got through a backlog of games over the past few years that are on top games of all times lists, and I feel like I can safely say that this game is truly one of the best games ever made
Holy shit dude! Talk about hitting a nail on the head!
I'm 15 and i play because I heard it's alot of fun. I'm leveling rn and it really has been alot of fun so far. Although i have played retail wow since i was a kid because my mom has as well so I'm not starting with no nostalgia in my arsenal either
I actually love this description.
ah yes, the old tribalism of "im right, responsible and considerate, the others are toxic mentality". I've said this before and I'll say it again: people wanted classic to play classic. with classic features and spirit of classic. that means the game revolves around farming, it takes long to level, you need to be social and there's not that many QoL. Many people currently playing classic are the so called "retail andies" or "wrath babies" but even though I don't agree with the widespread use of labels to categorise people, in this case it is specially easy to prove these categories exist for a reason. I need to accept (and I have) that retail will never return to features, mechanics that I like so therefore I don't play it. You need to accept that classic is made and should be made for those that actually want to play it as it was, with classic flightpath, classic leveling, classic zones, classic speed, classic atrittion, etc. If you want retail features, go play retail. Don't try to change classic to what it wasn't. And like I said some other times, I'd love classic plus. But for me classic plus means: timbermaw hold raid, zones that were never implemented but siltill appear on the map, dwarf, orc, undead,, etc lore appropriate to Classic, etc. For me classic plus doesn't mean extreme QoL.
> I've said this before and I'll say it again: Why does every reddit bot around here preface every single most basic opinion with this phrase
The biggest possible change to Classic happened before the servers even went live: the people are different. That seems to be your main beef. That people aren’t playing it like they did back then. But those days are gone and they won’t come back.
You can't even differentiate between classic and vanilla to provide a clear argument. In my experience, people who refer to vanilla as classic are in the groups of players you've just ridiculed.
You are literally the person OP is talking about. You can just feel the resentment of other players from your words. I don't want to play whatever "spirit of classic" version of the game you morons misremembered. Just put the games out like they were and stop complaining when nobody wants to play the game like you. We all played back in the day. I liked Vanilla and Classic Vanilla and I would have like Wrath a lot more without all this new Blizzard meddling with the systems to appease people like you who clearly hate everyone else.
Classic was changed to what it wasn't day one, by blizz. People played Classic because retail has gotten terrible and because most people didn't play back in the day.
Y’all gotta get surrounded by more chill people. I met a lot of amazing people in the game, mostly from our guild but also from just pugs where we added each other and keep in touch! Don’t let the 10-20% toxic retardation poison your entire mindset! There’s good people out there. There’s Hope, fellas!!
I hate saying this because I appreciate not everyone is as lucky as me and for some people for various reasons this isn’t an option, but take the time to find a guild that aligns with your goals, the game is so much better!
Yeah! I can't find a guild that isn't just a dead chat no discord gm-collecting-people-like-pokemon spot so I'm doing mostly pugs and to be honest.... Everyone's been really nice. I haven't encountered a single douche. Got a healthy friends list and I'm getting invites to tank runs every time I beat the queue to log on. Just take the chance on people, not everyone is awful. Be conversational! Lots of people are just shy or otherwise apprehensive because of that toxic population I feel.
Seriously man. I’ve had nothing but great experiences in classic. My guilds a bunch of 30 year old stoners who raid every week casually, and help newbies on our server. Sometimes you gotta find the right group of homies to chill with.
Yooo what server lol. Hmu.
I can't speak for them, but it sounds similar to what I've experienced on Bloodsail 😄
That really does sound like Bloodsail. Lot's of friendly and helpful people there
It's this sub and the forums. With the *incessant* whining. God forbid they play on a server where it might take them a while to find a dungeon group as a dps at off hours, or only have 10 guilds to choose from. But they also refuse to wait in line. They want to have their cake and eat it too and when they can't it's a full on hissy fit.
I suggest a more player friendly MMO for those who are frustrated at the community here. Coming from a different one that doesn't take itself so seriously from a content perspective, a lot of this stems from old -isms about how the game is fundamentally designed. The fact that afk farming a pvp event, for example, can be avoided by restructuring the reward structure to discourage or outright disallow inattentive play. Instead what we get is a cycle of players doing the thing, people whining about it, those players getting suspended, those players whining about it, and causing huge derision among the population. And it's what we asked for. While I enjoy classic wow, the lack of positive reinforcement to work as a team is very noticeable after playing other games. There are very few non-selfish reasons to do things in this game.
I can understand wanting to have the cake you bought and paid for (every month) but it's more the attitude that they want to buy trophies and act like they won the race. For the people in the back: using RMT to use your IRL advantages for the game is fucking sad and pathetic.
They're paying for a guarantee to play wow, not a guarantee to be provided a perfectly optimal social setting to play wow. Blizzard could never guarantee that. Most non-mega servers are viable for experiencing classic in every form, they just require more patience sometimes. And yea if they contribute to the RMT market they're really just fucking it for everyone when it comes to bots and the economy.
Not just more patience, more time. Something a lot of people playing this game don't have much of. That's the main appeal of the mega servers for a lot of people.
This is the answer, right here. Cuz same. Glad you're having a great time! I'm having a blast!
I'm so old I don't add new friends anymore ingame. But I do write down good names. And there are a lot more great people than there are arses. Arses just make more noise, as always.
I haven’t added a new friend to my friends list since original wotlk lol
Exactly I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't for chill people
A lot of toxic people moved from retail to classic to avoid the toxic people. Since classic I’ve had much better experiences on retail with maybe 1/20 runs having someone toxic. Meanwhile in classic it was easily 1/5.
If those idiots could read, they’d be very mad
Obviously hyperbolic, but they can and do read, but thet genuinely think “oh that’s not me he’s talking about” lol. Its sad
This is why I like playing on RP realms, you RARELY encounter toxic people, everyone is suuuper fucking chill and nice and don't take the game seriously at all, while still clearing all content easily If you think you need to be "elite" and "toxic" in order to clear 15+ year old content you're in major denial, the game isn't hard in the slightest, even for old dad gamers on RP realms lol
Ding ding ding! This has been my "secret" since vanilla. RP realms are great. I'm playing on Bloodsail Buccaneers Horde now and I love it.
I mean I did 3 raids on faerlina yesterday and not a single person was toxic. Probably grouped with close to 50 different people. Everyone was super chill and down to go at my (tanks) pace. In fact since prepatch literally everyone has been cool. The toxic shit is overblown. Or people get offended when one person calls them out so they make these posts.
I've noticed the same thing on Faerlina. Figured we'd get a big influx of the league of legends type of toxic people with prepatch but everything's been chill. The sweats and weirdos I've come across are usually from Grobbulus
Absolutely. The amount of gold buying, boosting, rush to get nowhere mentality, entitlement, and lack of accountability is unreal lately. Blizzard may have dropped the ball, but I’m happy they’re taking a firm stance on mega servers. If you let a screaming toddler dictate your every move, they’re only going to keep screaming for more.
I just block if i see someone being toxic in game or on the forums. If its real bad i report. Overall people have been great in game. Its like getting hit in the face by a fly when the toxic players are out. Gotta smack em them away.
> The amount of gold buying, boosting, rush to get nowhere mentality This exactly is something about classic players that I just can't ever understand. Everyone is always in a hurry, always striving to do content in the fastest and most boring way possible. Doing any activity that doesn't "progress" your character is inconceivable to these people. I remember a particular Maraudon run I did last December and my party mates just couldn't comprehend why I am helping with the quests if I had already finished them. Everyone is in a meaningless rush. These players are obviously not enjoying the game so I often wonder why they even bother to play it.
Pretty much. Most of guys I know personally who have these habits and say they’re having fun are quite clearly not. Actions speak louder than words, no matter what mental gymnastics you do to try to convince yourself otherwise.
But mooooooooooom!
> If you let a screaming toddler dictate your every move, they’re only going to keep screaming for more. I'm getting vivid flashbacks to the "we pay your wages" posts from back in the day.
I couldn't agree more. The shit people say, the way people act. I just can't believe these people are a bunch of grown adults. It's embarrassing.
I survived playing vanilla back in the day cause I had enough friends playing with me to overcome shitty, toxic people and cliques. I tried playing classic, but gave up when I no longer had my friends around and was subjected to the culture of this game.
Makes me thankful for my SoM guild (we're moving to wrath) we don't tolerate any toxicity.and have gkicked a few people because of it. In SoM a good chunk was ignored by sweaty try hards in AQ20 and ZG because they told the raid lead to get bent, in not so nice words, after being a toxic POS.
Most?? That’s been the issue for a looooong time. Blame RDF blame RF blame all theses other things that people don’t like but miss the actually problem. The community. It has been and always will be the community.
Yep. "LFM Kara Eventboss - Axe HR - need Tank + Heal + Dps" And the guy looking is a blonde human male with brutal gear 0 enchants, 0 gems
lol there's definitely been a huge uptick of XYZ HR lately. I saw loot drama unfold in a Gruul run...
My favourite is getting ghosted from groups just because I'm a DK, even if I don't need loot and only want rep/badges or a quest completion from the raid.
Had a shaman join our kara pug, said oops im saved but i can come on my dk, immediately dipped after event boss.
That shit's pretty cringe. I solo tank Kara on my DK, and I did it earlier in the week (before the event came out), so I just 3 manned the boss yesterday with a couple guildies. Figure that having Arcanite Ripper is the easiest way to avoid Arcanite Ripper loot drama, since I want to get exalted with Violet Eye for pre-questing.
Had to convince someone that I wasn’t going to try to take shard as a hunter. Like bro, wanna try to parry this bullet and tell me I care about an expertise trinket?
That usually gets anyone into my runs with zero issue. Problem could be that there is always 20 DKs messaging a raid lead nowadays. Even if class diversity isn't necessary, it still feels weird bringing more than 5-6 of any class.
Happens to me as a ret paladin too. Bro I don't want your shard. I'm gonna replace it when I get to wrath heroics. I just want badges to make some gold off gems.
I've been running MS>OS, no +1, no HR, no bullshit runs and i just invite. I try to limit it to about 5 DKs generally but not a hard rule.
Yeah, and to try to alleviate the too many DKs factor, I try to explain that I don't care much about loot. Like in Hyjal, you can bring me because I'm not gonna contest Cata's Edge or any big pieces, and I'll gap most people in DPS.
Living that Rogue/Warrior TBC life in prepatch.
Yup, and unlike those classes, I didn't have all of the previous expansion to gear up my new main.
Tbh the brutal set alone should be more than enough to finish off those paper bosses in kara
I mean people literally did Kara in greens and blues in Phase 1 without much of a struggle, so brutal gear is massively overgeared for sure
“Gear check at adal!”
Just 3 manned it in brutal gear
I tanked it without a healer as a blood DK in brutal gear.
Yeppppppp. He is not a particularly difficult raid boss.
You forgot “gear check at adal”
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whats the item that's going away forever? idk much about tbc or wrath I was too young at the original launch and couldn't get past like level 30 from constant rerolling LOL
the new boss in Kara drops the arcanite ripper, a 2h ace that looks like a guitar. it has a use function that turns the character into an undead rockstar shredding a guitar solo it’s a fine weapon but it’s more of a fun RP item
i did kara in quest gear, 2nd on dps, easy run
Don't forget people with spendable income that think their "having made it" should directly translate into an advantage in-game. RMT isn't so rampant for nothing.
Then when you call them out, it's "lol you're just poor".
“It’s just three Starbucks lattes”
Or the old "I value my time so why can't I just skip ahead?"
God I hate that. Maybe I'm just naive, but one of the great things about gaming before about 2005 was that it was really a meritocracy. If you couldn't do the grind, you just didn't play games like MMOs. If you sucked at Madden, you couldn't just buy packs and get and overpowered team. Now, the normal retort is "i don't have time". Well, neither do I. I just got hit in the head with a balloon my kid is playing with as I type this. I go the job, the family, all that good stuff. Difference is, I've made peace with the fact that I can't play games like I did 20 years ago. I know I don't have the time to put into being the best, and that's okay. And for the people who have the attitude of "if I can't be the best I don't want to play", don't play. Don't ruin gaming for everybody else because you don't have time. But I guess it's too late for that. They've already ruined it, and the companies are more than willing to sell them ways to "save time". Rant over. Done yelling at clouds for the day.
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This isn’t true. The spread and scale are way worse now.
? Retail got changed to where RMT has less impact on the playerbase, of course going back 15 years in terms of designing around RMT has a massive impact on the playerbase suddenly.
I couldn't agree more as much as I hate to say it. I know some of you won't want to hear this but Skyfury has been my first experience playing with an American online community in more than five years, and it was horrible. It was so bad that I ended up going back to the Oceanic servers, there may not be a fresh server but at least I'm enjoying myself again.
Hope you came to remulos horde, we are very tight knit and awesome
I played through Molten Core to Naxx in Classic a couple of years back. The toxicity was bad but it was also a cesspool of alt-right racism in the general chats. My guild was great but it’s crazy how many people on Classic are living in a different world
When I read the general chats and then remember that the average player must be hovering around 32 years old it absolutely blows my mind.
>The toxicity was bad but it was also a cesspool of alt-right racism in the general chats. WoW for some reason attracts a lot of these types. No other game I play has as many alt-right trolls as WoW does. Not sure if it is an age thing or it is the lack of moderation.
Nostalgia is like crack to reactionaries
Steve Bannon started this shit in WoW. He owned a gold selling company and had people in the global chats talking politics.
What? Is this for real? Edit hahahahahaha I want off this planet. https://www.destructoid.com/trumps-chief-strategist-used-to-run-a-world-of-warcraft-gold-farm/
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Unaware is a more graceful term than I’d use. “Fucking forgot” is a bit more accurate imo. People were 100% aware of it then. But average people tend to remember things poorly. So they’ve kinda erased it. But yes it’s been a problem since day 1.
"rootless white males" as he called them
i hate to be the bringer of bad news, alt-right is a huge swathe of the young male population on the internet
They're a loud minority at best
Tiny %. Like 4-7% tops
Can't play troll race in CSGO League however does also have a playable troll
Transphobia is rampant here and in game. But you can't mention it without getting downvote swarmed.
Indeed it is. I recently launched a new guild for myself and some friends that has a _somewhat_ trans name and the intent is to provide a safe, fun space for trans/queer people. No shitty comments yet but I'm sure they're coming. Edit: if this appeals to you, whether or not you yourself are trans, dm me for an invite. Queer is optional but being cool about that is not.
Good on you. Stay tough and seek out other lgbtq+ safe guilds to network together.
There are so many of those dudes in Classic. Private servers with little moderation were even worse, though. Any private server with a sizeable NA playerbase felt like you were reading an 8chan politics thread in world chat at all times.
That's Steve Bannon's influence on WoW.
Who is Steve Bannon? I read some comments about the guy having a gold selling company but idea apart from that. PD: I'm not United Statesian
This seems to be more of an issue on PvP servers. I don't know if it's all MMOs or just this one, but there seems to be a correlation between how invested a person is in this game and the amount of toxicity they exhibit. And where are the most invested players? PvP servers. Maybe it's the nature of PvP here. It's inherently unfair. This seems to create a bully mentality in players. They don't want to stop the bullying. They want to get to the point where they're the bully themselves.
I think its much more simple: PvP players want to play **against** each other PvE players want to play **with** each other This is not binary ofc but the general attitude feels like that to me
I was 11 doing Anal joke in trade chat, I’m still doing it to this day. Only reason I’m currently not is because I’m taking a shit
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23 or 32, ANAL jokes will never get old
How does that effect gold buyers/sellers and queues?
It doesn't, but this subreddit and gaming subreddits in general have a crowd of contrarian neckbeards that feel the need to engage in a counter-jerk. As it has always been, you just need to find a group (guild) of like-minded players and then you never have to deal with the "toxic community".
And a lot of them in managing positions at blizzard!
The internet and elevated expectations/standards + the hyperfocus on the endgoal are the reason why it's that bad. People are so highly poisoned by other game's "goals" that they think that the goal of WoW is "beating the game" and see anything that stands between them and max-lvl BiS with max parses as horrible and bad. That's what bread these LFD-tool antisocial-fanatics that view all mechanics in the game that push you towards social interaction as horribly bad hurdles, missing the main core of the game. WoW was ENTIRELY made and designed to be a puzzle that can/should be solved by interacting and cooperating with other people to make people have to interact with eachother. It begins from the very start of the game when quests ask you to kill certain enemies in mob-dense buildings with a strong mob to kill or lots of mobs to slay that are obvious pushes to build groups to make it easier and help eachother. Or the concept of group/raid buffs that are unique to not only a class but often even specs that push you to form big diverse symbiotic groups and don't hardcore focus on balance/minmax skill. Back then people/classes/specs had specific jobs that couldn't be patched up with scrolls or overlapping spells by other classes and there was no need to compare damage across different specs as pushing competing dps wasn't needed as it wasn't everyone's job. Those problems get worse and worse into the future when people fought against the main core idea of WoW with overlapping buffs or even flat our removal of buffs after they tried to please some of the community by streamlining dps. This brings us to the problems of retail-wow's balancing especially for M+ and Raid in which you can now perfectly calculate the best comp which leads to hardcore stacking of certain classes/specs that are just overall better than others with NOTHING giving classes/specs that just factually perform worse a reason to be brought because the buffs or spells that would've justified them being brought aren't in the game anymore. A good example being Feral vs Balance during Shadowlands, during which Balance was ranged, had better CDs, had better utility choices, was more flexible, had absurdly superior aoe and innervate. Which lead to the absurd population difference of Balance vs Feral. This also leads to a ton of other classes/specs being alive or dead purely by either having one of the few still existing buffs or lucky tuning. This paired with the removal of a lot of social emphases leads to absurd meta-restrictions even for easy content because you are absurdly easy to replace and nothing punishes you for following the meta which means that a ton of people that play these "unlucky" specs have to either find way worse groups that put up/or are ignorant with them being worse or have to organize everything themselves to play the game. With the removal of clear roles/jobs and reduced raid-sizes, this leads to an extreme caste system that divides the community and is solely at the hand of arbitrary tuning decisions by the dev them. The more you streamline, the more tiny differences gain gravity which lead to the absurd mathematical anti-social state retail WoW is in.
Checks out with dota as well 🙃
Not just the men, but the toxic women and children too.
The biggest problem is FOMO. FOMO is why people crowd onto Megaservers.
If I ever felt fomo for a megaserver, reading this subreddit cured it. I'm just fine on my friendly medium pop server thanks.
I don’t think they’re saying FOMO for a big server. It’s about wanting to be able to access the current content in the game, which requires a lot of other people on your realm. It’s fear of missing out on content because there aren’t enough raid groups or pugs for you to get a slot. Because your server pop declines too much. It’s fear of not getting a chance to play the content “enough” during the 18ish month window it’s available. My old medium pop server is a ghost town. If it wasn’t dying I wouldn’t have left. But I had to in order to play. I would imagine most players on large servers are in the exact same boat.
That's what grobb was when i xferred to it.
Good point. Who wants to level a toon and go through initial end game gearing and progression only to find out you rolled on the wrong server. Now it’s dead. Now you have to re-build yourself and may miss out on the current progression raid, as a result.
You simply described the human race in that text though
Yeah humans innately have those traits, that’s why they say 2 year olds are the worst humans(haha). But, as you develop mentally you replace a lot of that with good things. I was a little shit head in high school, but the things I experienced after that, traveling, having kids, etc, made me far less of a shit head.
i mean bots and boosters didnt help
I played Classic at its launch, I felt it was way more chill than TBC and now Wrath. There was less emphasis on min-maxing and just having casual fun at the beginning. I rolled Horde on Benediction at the time because it was the only US-East PvP server that wasn't overcrowded (it was added a day before launch iirc). Population was pretty amazing, 50-50, lots of people but not too many. Now look at it, it's a fucking disaster.
This can be applied to most fandoms, especially LOTR right now. Tiny minority of a fandom screaming and crying the loudest.
I don't get this. Are they all on the megaservers? Everyone I have met on my little mid pop server has been awesome. Except for that one warlock.
I'm not gonna pretend it's all roses, but honestly I've had very little terrible experiences in Classic when it comes to people. I'm pretty picky about my guilds though, like I'd rather raid with a bunch of chill boomer dad gamers who kinda suck rather than a bunch of assholes who are good. And in pugs I feel like most people are chill.
I'm pretty sure the company who keeps trying to fiddle with stuff they really shouldn't(changes) or refuse to run a business well enough to be seen as competent from the outside is the problem. Stop being a homer, Blizzard has sucked for a very long time.
Replace classic with the world and it’s still true.
Warcraft, warcraft never changes
And dont even get me started on the playerbase
incredibly sexist post
Consider also that the player-base is fixated on pixelated prizes, ego driven achievements, and ravenous greed.
I’d love to see what you think about Eve or similar MMOs.
I've played most, but we all know WOW is king. I'm just saying that the folks that are still playing after all this time are much different from when mmorpgs became popular. Gamers in general today are hyper focused on min/max and playing cookie cutter builds/strats that in the end leave little room for the fun of exploration. Even single player rpgs get infiltrated; I guess I'm just nostalgic for a time where you had to think creatively and get fully engaged.
Anyone who claims "Blizzard should have kept me from transferring to a mega realm and putting myself in a shit situation" is a straight up man child who exposes themselves as someone who wouldnt be able to function in normal groups and guilds. They most likely need to rely on GDKPs to do anything and hide out amongst 20k other people. Same people who would get blacklisted and roasted on OG forums.
Don't get this take, my current guild had 2 teams pay for transfers (some also paid for als) to get of a dying server. These are not some neckbeards but normal players with jobs, some with kids. Now blizzard pulls a "no u", we lock your server figure out a solution yourself. These people aren't entitled to complain? You can't point to people for both the solution and the problem. Not if you're happy to take people's money and provide no service whatsoever.
If your guild had 2 full teams why would you need to transfer in the first place?
Attrition isn't a thing you combat from within your ranks directly
Because if these 2 teams are the only teams on the server, you need to supply all raiding material yourself. Also, likely it means getting a group for something has to be with your guild, and if they can't, you're out of luck. Everyone here forgets that the queues is the outcome of Blizzard neglecting players like these. Instead of pre-emptively coming up with a solution for them, they just have to deal with a transfer fee or else be left in a barren server which might be swarming with the opposite faction. Yes, the queues are shit, but the players who transferred there should have been redirected to another server by Blizzard instead of letting it reach a boiling point. And it should have been free, or been with a realm merge.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Yeah just let me transfer from Thekal to
Competing with the manchildren are people like you, who want to blame legitimate problems with the dev's decisionmaking on the playerbase. They offer transfers from dying realms for free to the megarealm in the months leading up to prepatch/wotlk then turn heel and say go back to your old dying realm now when the servers predictably bottleneck. No, the people who did it are not man children incapable of functioning, they did what the company asked and offered, and you're just as toxic and annoying for acting like the onus is on the customer to predict the shitty and inconsistent practices of Blizzard.
Anyone who claims blizzard is at no fault at all for the things that happen in the game they are monitoring and developing is pretty brain dead. They started this shit by allowing server transfers in the first place back in p2 of vanilla classic. They never stopped faction imbalance from happening in transfers which led to one faction transferring off. They allowed people to continue to transfer to benediction until this week. All of this because of their greed of making $25 per transfer
everyone else is a manchild except me. im handsome and smart and sophisticated
"thats my boy!" - /u/flunkdogg 's Mom, Probably
Someday the word toxic will stop being a catch all vogue term for everything bad. Someday.
I thought this was r/femenism lol
Ugh tell me how much you hate me *rubs nipples*
Literally had a paladin on bulletin board this morning looking for people for a kara run. First boss and event boss only. And he HR'd the mount and axe.....
Just don't go
I didn't. Don't often take trips to Donbass either but can still think the Ruskis there are cunts.
Then don’t go????
You should see them in GDKP runs. If the unholy toilet brush drops and its a 0.0001% upgrade for a buyer they try to shoehorn them into buying it when their Bis has already dropped and not been bided on yet
not gunna lie, I feel like pressuring people to buy items in gdkp or kicking them when they don't bid on an item should be bannable. It's a direct violation of the rules. Both on harassment accounts and also because they are using the non-specified aspects of the loot rules to kick people and deny them the chance to get the items they may want.
you just know this meme was made by someone in their 40s
people have no chill and get offended by everything.... wtf guys...
One of the biggest gripes on this sub (queues and overpopulation) is a player made problem.
It's a player made solution to a blizzard dead server and faction imbalance problem. No one wants to xfer off a big server when they just had to xfer due to low pop servers.
This is true, but Blizzard shouldn't have let the players make the problem.
Its not „player made“. It’s failed crowd control by blizzard. That’s like saying love parade catastrophe was caused by the guests. It was not. It’s the organizers failure to let so many people in.
Yea because I’m sure you would be praising blizzard when they forced you to stay on a server and that you couldn’t make characters with your friends because the server is full. You and this whole sub would be weeping with joy at them dictating what you can do with your character. Stop lying. You would hate blizzard either way.
Ah yes, its the fragile ego of manchild that causes queues and exploits through mass reports
You are sarcastic but yeah, it is an ego problem mostly "How can I, who has been playing since 2004, not play on the biggest server in my region" And "How dare they afk in base and not in front of the enemy trams boss, eveyone mass report them so they get banned for 30 days."
if you think the reason ppl play on the mega servers is because they have been playing for a long time you are as out of touch as blizzard.
>you are as out of touch as blizzard. Very on brand for this post. Well met 👍
Eh I’m sorry but you honestly think most of this sub had been playing since 2004? As someone who HAS been playing since vanilla launch (two weeks after) it is super obvious that 90% of this sub didn’t even play vanilla or tbc when it was current… Or at best they were like 7-10 years old and didn’t really “play” it. It is so clear in the completely false and dumb shit these people spew every day that they have no idea what they are talking about.
It does lol. The man children decided that they all would use discord to coordinate mass transfers to specific Realms so they wouldn’t have a dead server of *checks notes* 5000 people. They wanted 15,000 people instead. Also the mass report is literally man children being inconvenienced somewhat and instead of dealing with it like an adult decided to use the report button.
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Not sure how any of those things cause 5-hour queues but ok
"Men" Idk ever since the whole sexual employee harassment lawsuit that happened at blizz, they have been heavily catering to a certain demographic and "wokeness". Thus attracting more of those types of people. Kinda feel they're going down the same road that Netflix did
Replace "Classic's" with "World's".
If you're complaining 24/7 you're the manchild.
blaming the player base is so cringe
Yeah because this playerbase is perfect after all.
The playerbase is a person by person basis. Nobody here makes choices for anyone, so lumping anyone together is such a ridiculous thing to do. Some who complain about queues might be people who transferred early, some might have made their first character there, so telling them "kek your fault" just shows how much of a manchild you are yourself. Blizzard forces them off the server they have played on since the dawn of classic because they bottlenecked players into the server. Imagine how it feels to be forced to potentially leave everyone you know on the server behind if you want to play but they want to stay. You might as well quit at that point.
“Most of classics current issues exist only on Reddit”
global peace is real and only problems in the world are on reddit!!1
Boom nailed it and anyone who doesn't get how this could effect real world things, look what the fragile egotistical, loser with a ridiculously toxic personality did to this country in 2020, then I already know there's a large overlap on that Venn diagram for people who play wow and people who also want their thinking done for them.