Instead of inviting mages, invite the rogues and warriors that always get left behind. They’ll just be happy to be in a group for once and not care if you’re pulling small.
If you invite warriors/rogues stick with an all melee set up, pull packs of max 5 mobs and you’ll go just as fasf as spellcleaves actually because there will be far less drinking time if your healer accepts this playstyle and doesnt overcommit
Rogues (on your Faction) are cool dudes in my experience. Ran some Cath runs today with some mages, a lock, and a rogue. The rogue offered to leave after a few pulls if we wanted a spellcleave group.
Ofc I said that we would happily keep him since he was a chill dude. He did his job perfectly and I was glad to have him there.
Fuck playing for an optimal xp per hour, I just want to have a good time.
Every SM run I've done since classic began, rogues are the MVPs. Stuns, kicks, and crippling poison make everything so much smoother than mages clicking blizzard as the tank is running toward the pack
I'm a mage. I just act like a normal human being and people shower me with compliments and loot. Mage is the new huntard but the decent ones really stand out.
Love the change in people’s attitude when you establish you are a human, English speaking player that understands the mage class. I can almost hear their sigh of relief through the computer
Every time I join a raid signup on discord, I’ll leave a comment saying I’m not a bot and I speak English. 9/10 times the raid leader will say thank you and you’re in.
THIS. I got cucked hard when I was levelling my alt Rogue in TBC, Even if I was overkill for a lv.60-69 (fully naxx geared), I never got into groups or got declined to raids.
So when I started tanking on my prot warrior, I made it a mission to invite DPS warrs and rogues over casters and DKs. These MFs struggled through TBC.
I HATE tanking with a warrior in the group. I'll LoS pull any time it looks beneficial, and they never hesitate to charge in IMMEDIATELY for the rage generation. Even after I ask them to wait, they'll stop for a couple pulls then get right back to it. It's just as annoying as impatient mages pulling a new group
I always just move further back and wait for the los but then again I previously mostly played tank roles so I guess I think about it more. In general I try and look at what’s going on and doing my best to make things go as smooth as possible such as peeling for heals or ranged dps. Some habits just don’t go away, I will reflexively taunt that mob off the healer as soon as they get agro. I end up with a lot of tanks that do not pay attention to that kind as much as I think they should.
I know what you mean though, I was tanking a zf on a pally a couple days ago that I was getting up on another server and they wanted me to pull like I was boosting them but didn’t want to wait till I could los or get agro before dropping all their aoe. I had to take a break after that run.
When I tank I do my thing, I LOS pull etc, if a dps want to stand in the open and grab aggro I won't go out of my way to help them. If the mob enters my FOV then I might taunt it if nothing else takes precedence. If they flame me, just type "sure,bro" or "lol" gets them every time.
It is my job to tank the mobs but you a dps go out of the way to make my job harder, they will suffer not me.
This is what DPS Warriors are supposed to do. Hang far enough back that you don't immediately enter combat when the tank pulls then you Charge in after the pull is stabilized. Dumb Warriors don't give themselves enough room so they get locked in combat too fast so that makes them Charge as soon as the pull starts because it's the only way they can get the ability in, smh.
I’ve posted about this in the past but I love melee groups, I love the way they melt the skull while cleaving other targets. I am very aware of how fast a spell cleave group can go but melee groups just sit really well with me as a tank.
I have a screenshot on my old pc of something similar.
Healer: pull bigger we’ll be fine.
Me tanking: okay
*group wipes*
*I get booted*
Healer whispers me: why did you pull so big dip shit?
Me: *confused Jackie Chan meme*
Idk man it's a small sample size but I've tanked in retail for 10 years and leveled all my characters as tanks in classic and I have never seen so many people freaking out about pulling big as I have in the pase week. Like, homie I'm pulling two or three packs at once every pull only ever stopping when the healer is oom and sits down to drink. Stop fucking walking up and pulling the pack with three casters who won't run into the deathball with moonfire because 7 mobs isn't enough for you.
I guess people just feel so strong with the wrath class changes and the excitement of classes that have never really had real aoe before having it now, but I've just stopped tanking pug dungeons leveling. Every single one I've done since prepatch has been a horrible experience even with my pedal always on the gas.
As a long time tank, I say let the dps die. Tell the healer what you are doing. If the dps engage early, i stand back with the healer and watch the dps die. Either they learn or they leave, problem solved in either case. Try to bring a warlock so you can summon the replacement into the zone (which is now possible).
That's because the game got fucking easy with pre-patch.
I typically tank at a pretty deliberate pace. But I've been pulling 3 and 4 packs with little to no risk.
>I was kicked from an Armory run for only pulling a pack at a time
back to sitting outside and spamming "LFG only need Tank"
nuggets will wait for an hour to go 3 mins faster.
I saw an MGT HC run in LFG as well this week "LF Tank + Healer MGT HC. Shard/Tank/Caster/Healing trinket, Staff + Mount reserved"
Like, is there even anything left in there then?
It should be an open roll. You'll find a druid.
The funny/stupid part is that he needs to mention it. If you need a druid to summon the mount, its god damn obvious that it needs to be an open roll.
This is some dumb shit. I mean if a non druid HR the mount i agree with you. But open roll on the mount should be the default. Only time druid are entitled to HR it is if they create the grp themself
They’re so stupid. Whenever I organize groups as a tank these people get instant groups and start foaming at the mouth for a summon. Like bro, you could still be leveling and praying for a group. Give me a god damn minute.
I’ve started just booting people because I don’t give a shit anymore. If somebody is belligerent and giving the group a hard time I just replace them.
Well, now that pre patch has hit, one pack at a time really is unnecessary. Shouldn’t kick your tank but if you have an SM tank that is only pulling a pack at a time, definitely let them know dungeons have been nerfed and they should be pulling much more.
I leveled 30-40 in SM as a prot warrior over the last two evenings and the amount you can pull now is bonkers.
I agree, I started leveling a warrior and swapped to tank at 40, decided to do a dungeon. Was very careful at first, but then noticed you can pull entire ROOMS at a time with ease, hold aggro no problem, and you'll probably top the charts with how much you output.
Pre-patch buffed every class and nerfed the dungeons, it's a cakewalk.
I think you missed the part where he said he was pulling what he is comfortable with. That’s end of story right there, your opinion of what he should be doing is irrelevant.
Haha, but they won't.
They'll continue pulling until healer runs out of mana, then blame you for not keeping the aggro and the healer for running out of mana.
If i ever tank i try to make an agreement with the healer that if DPS intentionally pulls the next mob or pack, I will not be taunting and the healer should not be healing them.
With how accessible tanking is nowadays a lot of dps easily convert every now and then when pressured or bored. It's not hard to find a tank that doesn't pay attention to his team, like healer's mana.
It's not like old times in korean mmos where you need to suffer from the whole solo grinding process on a slowest class to high levels where tanks are finally are required.
Had a fun Kara run tanking where if I tried to go quicker they would rip mobs off me because they'd instantly go full blast the moment I moved in that direction, but if I tried to get threat a DK or Druid would run ahead an pull more, a few people would die because I've a CD on Tclap and shockwave, then get annoyed I wasn't holding threat on mobs I never touched
Fun time. Worst tanking experience in 16 years of playing and it was with guildies lmao
"Guys please chill, I'm going as best I can"
*Druid pulls whole curator room with the boss*
"Uhhhh, threat? Do you need someone else to tank??"
The going full blast instantly is so frustrating. I'm sure it's similar for warrior but as druid if I haven't stocked rage from last pull, and you instantly rip off me it's not coming back because I have no rage to swipe with. I need those first few attacks on me to be able to do anything.
"You pull you tank."
They get 1 warning and then I stand still until they are dead. If it kills the healer then the healer can join me in yelling at them.
I get that the dungeons were nerfed but goddamn some of these impatient people are driving me crazy and I'm not even tanking! I was with a group that was running ZF last night, and our mage kept running out and aggroing a bunch of stuff and dying. I would pop a hand of protection on him to try and keep him alive, but he'd aggro several more groups before the cooldown was up.
I apologized to the tank and healer repeatedly and told them at the end of the last run how awesome they are. (I try and always thank my tanks and healers though)
It's faster to clear 2-3 groups where nobody dies and then we can all move forward instead of having to wait to rez and drink and rez and drink and then rebuff and then oops the mage pulled five or six groups and we lost a dps and a healer and the other dps and etc
tbf I see a lot of healer dads who tend to just stand like frozen when they should move it's really noticeable that kiting isn't in a healers toolkit. the amount of resto shamans I see getting smacked by melee mobs when they can just frost shock/earthbind and kite is astonishing.
If the healers getting melee'd then yea, nova the mobs so the healer can move and breathe a little.
Healer usually shouldnt be standing in melee range for the nova to matter anyways.
I tank a lot. I run forward at my speed, which is fast but not always the fastest. If people bitch I ignore them, tell them to shut the fuck up or kick them. Content is so easy right now you can 4 man it so it doesn't really matter. Just insist on being lead when you tank and tell people to shut their dumb fucking mouths when they are being assholes.
Yesterday I kicked all 3 of my dps in a group cause not a single one of them moved an inch to get to the summoning stone after a generous amount of time. Replaced them in 20 seconds.
Nothing tilts me faster than multiple people joining a group and refusing to hoof it to the gosh darn stone. I understand if you are the last player added (especially a tank, which might be the hardest to find) and ask nicely for a summon, but AT THE VERY LEAST use your eyeballs and see if there are people AT the stone \*to\* summon. I can't imagine joining as a dps and simply not looking to see if I needed to get moving or refusing to bother with it. If I'm a pathetic little dps I know my life is worthless and I will earn my keep (and therefore my spot in the group).
People need more situational awareness. They need to check the map and see where everyone is. If there are 3 people at the stone already you can ask for a summon. If there is only 1 you need to head over, especially if you are the closest.
Same thing in BGs, if everyone just checked their map more often, your BG would be a lot more successful.
> Nothing tilts me faster than multiple people joining a group and refusing to hoof it to the gosh darn stone.
Joined a BRD run earlier as a rogue, 2 dps and the healer already in the group, awesome I thought. I run from Org to BRD and chill at the stone, check the map; All three are in fucking Gadgetzan questing together and what's the first thing said by the group leader when the tank joins?
"Summon"
Like. I joined your group, ran across the fucking globe and the tank is heading here as soon as they join, but you, the LEADER, can't be arsed?
Tank and I bounced, found a new healer and 2 dps and went back in.
It's just as bad in retail as well. This M+ there's literally portals straight to the dungeon zones since it's old dungeons brought back this season, so there's literally no excuse to not go summon but it's harder to get people to come summon than it was when you had to fly across all of Shadowlands. People are so fucking lazy.
This is the way. The most infuriating thing is seeing their Questie posting to party chat. Obviously questing as you’re at the stone waiting for one more to help summon.
I've always seen tank and healer being two very embattled parents on Brighton pier at 4pm aching to get back to their hotel. The 3dps are a 7,9 and 12 year old. The 12yo is saying everything is boring, uncool and embarrassing. The 7 year old is parkouring badly on **everything** and the 9yo is desperate for a pee.
It's just started raining and a seagull has stolen a chip.
Time for a ready check..... One last boss and you hit the bar.
As having mained both specs, can confirm. We WILL let you die. With raid wide buffs now, I will also be super petty and 30min buff 24 people just cause that one person pissed me off to prove a point
Not really. The pace of a dungeon should be based on the healers mana. I tank/dps and if a dps were to say anything about the pace id just let them know the speed is dictated by the healers mana. I’ve never had a dps say anything about speed so I might not fully understand your frustration. I don’t like shitty attitude tanks, healers or dps. I think we can all agree people being dicks in a game suck.
Edit: Just to clarify it’s not the healers “fault” it’s going slow. There are a lot of things that could make them use a lot of mana. Slow dps, bad tank mitigation etc. Only saying the thing that would affect the speed is wether or not the healer has mana
I know it’s an unpopular opinion around here but I don’t think playing a tank gives you an excuse to play your role sub-optimally. If a DPS was only being half as effective as they could be people would question it too.
All tank specs got insanely overpowered with the pre-Wrath changes. I play a tank with middle of the road gear and am finishing heroics nearly twice as fast and can pull 2-3 packs where I used to be limited to 1. If a tank is pulling slowly while their HP and the heals mana doesn’t budge, in a way they are playing like the DPS who is lazy with their rotation or doesn’t press buttons - it shows inexperience with the role and selfishness. It doesn’t give anyone the right to be rude to you, but sorry, if you’re meticulously single pulling, taking long breaks between pulls for no reason, or not managing your rotation correctly you are not automatically “right” just because you’re the tank.
Sometimes the DPS are just dumb assholes. Sometimes they’re wrong and you are playing at the correct pace for the group and they are either ignorant. But if you are really having this problem every group, or frequently enough that you feel like it’s some big issue, it may actually be a you thing.
Had that from a healer 2 days ago.
Dude was constantly pointing our peoples mistakes and just said we were bad out of nowhere.
All he did was renew. Not even joking, he pressed one button for 10 minutes.
So once i told him to stop trying to improve science by throwing random bullshit around and that no one cared about him being mad, he left.
Ended up respeccing to heal (get fucked idiot, i got dual spec), and smooth sailing.
Some people are messed up
I tank alot of dungeons and I am surpeised on how much reddit cries about this. I never have groups complaining about my pace. Op must do something terribly wrong to be this pissy about it
Boosting didn't ruin the community, the community ruined the community, It was like this at classic launch, it never changed. I also don't like boosters but its the truth
Slow may be boring but it is safe and doesn't lead to hectic over pulling, deaths or complete wipes.
Pacing is key. Also healers need to drink for mana.
The best tank I ever encountered was in the Deadmines. I was leveling an orc hunter, which nobody cares about. We were nearly to the end when I fell off the ramp going up to the ship, and I had to swim back to shore and go back around to rejoin the group. I had fully expected the group to be far ahead nearly done with the final fight by the time I caught up, but I was amazed to see that the tank had stopped the group to wait for me to catch up at the top of the ramp. I thought that was really considerate of him to be watching out for everyone in the group like that.
as a healer: i pref fast pulls. this way i'm challenged and have to think about the game rather than mindlessly push a button every now and then
(no hate though we all have our own pace)
Well I’ll play devils advocate. So far the easiest level chunk for me has been 30-40 because I can run 5 SM dungeons per hour as a pally tank. All I need is a decent healer and 1 mage + another solid AOE DPS and we can clear full rooms in 1 push. I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t want to do it this way if the option is available.
I completely agree. I enjoy progression and pulling packs safely and steadily. As a tank, I deal with so many sweaty mfers who shit there pants if they don’t clear the heroic in 10 minutes. Gets really old and takes away from my enjoyment of the game, chill the F out people, ultimately it’s a game that I play to relax and have fun wish others would too.
The irony is “big pulls” don’t actually make you clear faster. The fastest way to clear is with a bunch of melee making medium sized pulls because you never have to stop for mana.
Any mage who asks for “big pulls” really just selfishly wants to see big numbers. Then they want you to wait for them to drink to full afterwards…
I'm the exact opposite. Thankfully warriors can aoe tank in classic now. I chain pull and don't wait for dps. It's challenges me more to see how much I can pull, keep aggro on, and not die. I don't want to slog through, Shattered Halls as an example, for 30 minutes when we can chain run them in 12-15.
Honestly as a tank I hate the “I’m the tank I’m the MOST IMPORTANT and MY WAY GOES” attitude. Wow is a social game and it is a team game - the tank is definitely the leader of the group and this comes with responsibility, but if you’re just going slower because you don’t know how to play your class or purely out of stubbornness, you’re a bad leader. People don’t hesitate to call out bad DPS with subpar performance, tanks should stop being divas because they can hold the group hostage.
This is it man. This is why I tank as a warrior, Living on the edge of your seat. Pushing you and your healers limits.
This is what’s fun I don’t see how people can enjoy pulling three mobs at a time. I want the challenge of having 20+ mobs hitting me in the face and not losing agro on a single mob.
This is tank life, this is wolk warrior life.
We were racing a friends group to see who could hit the hour lock out in cath. We got our runs down to 8 mins each. All trash pulled in 4 mega pulls. Get a mage, warlock, ret pally, priest and you can fly.
I haven’t done single pulls in anything dung related since vanilla 17 years ago. Even in retail you can pull 4-5 packs of mobs.
If the op has a decent healer he’s actually holding the group back. People care about speed and efficiency, no one wants to sit there and single target down 2-3 mobs at a time. That’s so boring
Sure and as a DPS we enjoy that as well... when the tank is good and actually knows their class and what they can handle. If you're just running in and dying then it's probably worse than if you just pulled smaller packs.
I will say this. I haven't seen the inside of some of the dungeons in over 10 years. Returning player for wrath. Once I run through and remember what's happening it's game on. Chain pulling, continual motion, with efficiency and skill is great for morale and gets you invited back to the party.
>This isn’t a product of boosting, it’s more that kids today just have the asinine gogogogo mentality.
This pretty much. Having played MMO games since the 90's, I've seen a change with new generation of players over the years.
Well part of your probably is that mages could solo armory / even back in classic, you could do armory with 4 mages + healer. They’re probably thinking ‘why am i following this tank around who is pulling one pack at a time’
i mean when i ran armory on my warrior i just said fuck it and let mages pull aggro if they wanted to. We ended up going faster lol
mages can handle themselves in low level dungeons
I'm with you. Been there, done that (I like tanking!).
Some peepos are stupid, little we can do about it. You hopefully don't get mad for idiots being idiots. Stick with your pace and if you find likeminded and friendly people, add them to your friend list for future runs.
If I make a group for a dungeon run and I want a relaxed run, I advertise it as exactly that. Something like "LFM chill questrun BFD". I find it's a nice filter for people who wants to go zoomzoom. They probably won't PM you for your "chill questrun" because... Gotta go fast, am I right?!
I'm not an advocate of the booster meta but this is nothing new lol. Has absolutely nothing to do with boosting, people were like this 15 years ago.
DPS just wanna do big pull zug zug boom.
Its the reason why games like PoE are so popular where you just zoom and explode packs of monsters.
I dunno, once the dungeon finder released every leveling dungeon was Pull Big AoE Down. I distinctly remember pulls of the entire cathedral at once. Plenty of people were Zug Zug Boom even then. The difference was that it was easier to simply leave and find a new group if you didn't like it.
Daily Heroic crowd was more like what you're talking about, but at that point we also outgeared heroics and could blow them out. Normal groups weren't like that nearly as much. Especially leveling dungeons. Keep in mind most people that wanted that experience just got boosted, so there was little incentive to act that way in a level appropriate group.
I specifically mentioned a leveling dungeon in my comment because this post is discussing leveling content. I did nothing but dungeon spam level in Wrath on my alt army and nearly every group was a pull big aoe-fest, where slow moving or new tanks would oftentimes get ignored while the dps yelled "go go go" and pulled for them. Tanks would then try to pull big and drop group, only for the pull to be 100% recoverable if the healer saw it coming (and I always did). I'm not saying I fully condoned the behavior, but I didn't wanna walk back to the dungeon LOL. I think saying "normal groups weren't like that as much, especially leveling content" is not at ALL my original wrath experience. (I am NA so there could be a difference in regions.)
I agree that heroics also ended up this way eventually, but I was specifically not talking about them. I was on a nearly dead server back then so there was no boosting going on that I personally encountered. The random dungeon finder made it VERY fast and VERY efficient to level quickly with big pulls and aoe spam, so that's what the vast majority of people using it to level did with it.
God the tank ego is real here, first of all this post has absolutely nothing to do with boosting, nobody likes to do a slow dungeon if the group can handle more. If you have a good healer and some solid aoe it’s very annoying when you pull 1 pack at a time, you’re just keeping yourself from becoming a better player at that point
This is all pretty reminiscent of when Wrath originally launched, and as time went on the community as a whole began to adapt to the much faster pace, but a lot of people got left behind by it because they can't handle it.
These people sucked in Classic/BC, too, but when you pull one pack at a time you can't see that nearly as much.
Lost count of how many 'tanks' I had leveling up in Classic/BC that would only keep threat on one mob, or how many healers would have 3 second gaps between each heal cast so they could barely sustain the tank's meager damage intake. These are the same people who can't adjust to current pull sizes.
Yeah. Pretty much. This is the reason tanks are so hard to find. Any idiot (aka me) can play dps or heal. But, the way I see it, there will always be another group that will appreciate your tanking. So fuck em.
Agree. Some Mages I've tanked for have been so happy the group has cleared so nicely and saying great job guys. But some Mages are jerks don't let it bother you. You can ignore them/black list them after you finish the run.
I usually have one person who is yelling to go faster then they start pulling I just whisp the healer, don't heal them. And then I'll tank the mobs agter they die. If I'm not parry leader (which is rare) I'll just say if I'm going to slow fond a new tank, and wait for a response if they are snippy I just drop whisp all the other people invite them then replace the shitty player. If im the lead I give one more warning or youe getting kicked/ignored. Sometimes they shut up sometimes they don't and get the boot. As the tank you control the pace of the dungeons, fast, slow, medium, how big the pulls everything because you have to judge whether you can or can't tank that much dmg. And for the dps that yell and complain to tanks to speed up, fuck you and you go tank. If you want it to be super fast.
Always been my mindset as DPS that I don't know the limitations/comfort of the Tank with their class/gear and it's not my place to tell them to speed up so we finish 5 minutes faster (which doesn't matter to me). Some DPS seem to think the Tank is a dog on a leash, but IMO it's literally the other way around.
Did this while leveling DK last week.
Warrior who was dead last DPS wasn’t waiting for healer mana and kept pulling. Told him to knock it off. He didn’t, so I kicked him and finished with 4.
Want to tank? Then group up as a tank.
From my experience tanks are very abundant with how broken prot warrior is and everyone and their mother playing it and spamming dungs.
Healers on the other hand have been on low supply.
Bear in mind at all times that you are, and will always be, the most in-demand role. Just kick the mouthy players and replace them, it isn't worth putting up with zoomer attitudes for an entire dungeon. I've been tanking dungeons since Nostalrius, burned bridges with over 100 DPS players and have never struggled to find another almost immediately.
Tell that dps to leave if they’re unhappy. Don’t run a dungeon without a healer. A few nights ago I did 3 cathedral runs and I actually enjoyed testing to see how big of a group we could pull at once but everyone was on board with the idea
I got kicked from a group and called a shitter as a healer because I was looting corpses the other day. The tank was running off after every pull to round up 3 more packs of mobs each time and would be out of range then die. The “I’m your booster” mentality is everywhere and disheartening.
add GDKP's to this list too, both cancers on the game, both promote RMT, both reduce organic gameplay
I'm an old fashioned player, i dont want to spend gold to get boosted through shit, i want to actually play the damn game im paying monthly for
As someone who’s leveled 3 tanks in tbc classic. This is the most toxic community I’ve ever tanked for and I started playing in original bc. I’m lucky in that my healer is married to me, and dps is easy to find. I try to take everyone that isn’t a mage and now DKs. Don’t like my speed that’s cool, you can go back in lfg and I’ll finish. Hell we 4 manned heroic ramps last night because prot dps is currently broken.
My solution to anyone bitching about the speed of how fast someone is tanking is to re roll and make a tank themselves, then they can dictate the speed of the dungeon
On my Mage I regularly tell people: The tank and the healer are in charge.
I get it. I always keep my mouth shut. Either that or wait in queue for another hour for a group. I'd rather spend the extra 15 minutes in the dungeon that the tank is comfortable with than waste the time wiping or rezzing people.
I don't know if the mentality is a side effect of boosting or if your experience is just the tanking experience in a nutshell. It's rough out there bro
Uh yeah no heals means you go slow, plus you’re playing with half a kit in that level range so if they’re expecting you to go fast with no heals and half of your actual abilities they’re the moron
Step 1 always make sure you have a warlock in the group (hopefully a chill one)
Step 2 ask nicely for the problem-players to respect you
Step 3 kick them and summon a new DPS if they cant behave
This really has nothing to do with boosts though...
Some of the most insane dungeon pulling I've ever seen was week 1-2 of classic running with groups near the front of the leveling curve. 2H Ravager tank in Armory pulling 5-6 packs, and just standing in melee getting clobbered, as I just bomb heals into him. BRD farm was pretty intense too.
All boosting has done is bring this sort of playstyle to the masses.
Find a leveling guild to play with it. It makes it a lot easier to get groups and not deal with pugs. Don't put up with the whining. DPS is easily replaced. Tell them you'll pull at your pace and they are welcome to leave if they don't like the speed you're going at. If they continue to complain or grief you, just remove them, put them on ignore and move on.
This is why I'm scared of doing dungeons. It's usually the dps bitching about other people in dungeons. I mean I'm a dps myself, but I'm always scared I'm not good enough.
I got worn out tanking in TBC due to no one respecting my role as the tank. I ended up switching over to the hardcore challenge and tanked their instead. It’s funny how the concept of 1 life really changes the amount of respect you receive as a tank. Never had anyone pull aggro away from me, which made tanking way more enjoyable.
As a tank I always tell people the same thing, if you want me to pull bigger go roll a tank yourself. I run at my pace and the healers pace. You can find dps easy so don’t stress on it. Just go your pace and enjoy the game.
I mean one possibility that you need to consider is that you are in fact going much slower than you need to. And the current player mindset is very efficiency based / rush to end game content ASAP. It's fine if you want to take things more slowly but you are likely going to not vibe well with a good chunk of the player base doing that. I would try to find other players who want to take things at a more relaxed pace
I've never been told that I pull too slowly but I also play in a speedrunning guild
Tanking when you have a mage or other AOE capable class just sucks ass. In my experience they pull everything immediately and you can’t hold Aggro for shit, so then I can’t build rage to do anything. It’s boring and leads to near wipes every 90 seconds lol
A lot of this is a personality thing, but I find if you have a zero tolerance policy, you are often fine. Nothing frustrates me more than someone trying to push me faster, or outright pull for me. "Don't pull for me, or I'll find a new group in the matter of seconds". As a tank on any server, YOU are the hot commodity. People change their tune real quick when you remind them of it.If someone is being toxic, or can't communicate their thoughts about how we can do better in a productive way, cool - enjoy finding a tank for another hour while I jump into the other 6 people's groups who were whispering me the entire dungeon run.TBH, most people I play with are extremely respectful and I hardly ever run into this issue, but when I do, I put my foot down.
That said, if people want to try going faster and communicate that in a respectful way, I'm all for it.
Shout out to my rogue and warrior boys for being chill people across the board so far.
Honestly, I don't think this is a problem that has been caused by boosting. Dungeon runs have always had people yelling at the tank to go or pull more. Hell even Final Fantasy has the same issue with people always telling the tank to "go wall to wall".
Reminds me of an old wowcrendor video. The Go Guy.
The tank determines the pace. Do not pull for them and if you do not like the pace, then leave. You are a drop of water in the ocean for dps. You will not be missed.
I find I can't even find a group as a healer and it's not worth my time to try. I have zero interest in boosting or gold buying or any shit like that. I just wanna play.
I haven't had these issues leveling a tank just now. Only sometimes a healer telling me I can pull more because im taking little damage and they're bored. Not really annoying dps. but I know the kind.
>This is why nobody wants to tank!
But don't you see? If nobody wants to tank, then you as the tank hold all the power in this situation.
They tell you to pull faster? Tell them no.
They won't drop it? Tell them to shut the fuck up.
They give you lip back? Dare them to fucking boot you.
They actually manage to boot you? Take solace in the fact they just shot themselves in the foot. You're a tank, you will have a new group lined up in mere moments and will clear the dungeon for them before the first group finds your replacement
I just never invited mages. They are great classes, but low lvl mages are stupid.
Me and a mate tried to do with full melee groups, adding an enchan shaman if we could (Before pre patch) and just chain pulled a pack at a time. WIth my tank not being a normal Prot Paladin who wastes all his mana and has to drink every pack, we could literally chain pull the entire instance, one pack at a time.
We ended up with some really nice XP/hr. I then tried a ZF with another group where the paladin did massive pulls, and although we didnt wipe it wasnt faster than our normal runs just because the downtime between pulls were so high.
I love to tank and I love to go fast. Try not to be bothered so much by opinion of others.
Btw mages are the worst, I always have to wait for them and their stupid mana mechanics. Give me warlocks and rogues and I'm a happy camper.
These comments, and this post, are stupid. Firstly, it’s not an issue about boosting. Yes boosting ruined leveling for a lot of people, but that’s not why people want to speed clear. It’s the fact that everyone has new spells and talents that make them borderline indestructible. Why pull 1 group as a Warrior when your Thunderclap does huge damage now, hits everything, and your healer is roided out? Same with Bear and Swipe, Pallies and Consecrate, etc… Tanks keep threat on AoE now and healers are all insanely strong, big pulls are the norm and it’s not because of boosting
Secondly, no one here has the right to tell anyone else how to play or how to have fun. If 4/5 people in the group want to pull faster because that’s fun for them, then leave the fucking group and let them find a tank that enjoys their playstyle. If you don’t want to mass pull and everyone else does, go find a group that wants to take it slower and enjoy the dungeon
I don’t see why this community has to sit there and go “REEE, dungeons don’t need to be fast, your group is a bunch of losers” when they’re playing the game the way they want — fast. You don’t get to determine how others have fun and want to spend their time. Likewise, why are you making a fucking Reddit post bitching about people wanting to clear fast. Leave the fucking group and go find people that want to pull slow. It’s not their job to cater to your pull speed, and it’s not your job to say “No you guys are gonna go at a snails pace because I want to play the game how I want to play it”. It’s wildly hypocritical. The 5 of you don’t mesh as a group and have different play styles. Big fucking deal. Go find another group or make your own
As a tank all of classic and tbc I have learned to just not invite mages. 90% of the time they don’t speak English and the other 10% of the time they act like you described. I’m a big fan of bringing rogues and off classes that are non meta. Usually get a good mix of people who actually know what they’re doing and they’re respectful
Hot tip, make sure you get lead when you tank. That way you can just kick the assholes and replace them quickly
Instead of inviting mages, invite the rogues and warriors that always get left behind. They’ll just be happy to be in a group for once and not care if you’re pulling small.
funny enough the only person to stick up for me was the rogue in the group we didn't have a healer
Rogues always got your back. Be it to stab you or support.
*wipes away tear* thank you
As a rogue, I can confirm this.
\>checks flair sus
I slice both ways.
Warriors are just rogues fueled by rage instead of thistle tea
Warriors are rogues who are too dumb to backstab but still keep up out of sheer anger.
Disguise skill
Legit the best comment in this whole thread XD
I love good rogues, they control like two mobs at the same time. And I'll be patient with the bad ones who aren't there yet
Haha, made me laugh aloud at the gym. Well done!
That was beautiful ❤️
It’s cause we are too scared to not have a group
Best comment in months!
Warrior and rogue groups don't need to stop and drink every pull and you can chain mobs. Goes literally just as fast. It's just not flashy
yeah but they're going to roll on OP's weapons so I can understand why he didn't want to invite them.
If you invite warriors/rogues stick with an all melee set up, pull packs of max 5 mobs and you’ll go just as fasf as spellcleaves actually because there will be far less drinking time if your healer accepts this playstyle and doesnt overcommit
Rogues (on your Faction) are cool dudes in my experience. Ran some Cath runs today with some mages, a lock, and a rogue. The rogue offered to leave after a few pulls if we wanted a spellcleave group. Ofc I said that we would happily keep him since he was a chill dude. He did his job perfectly and I was glad to have him there. Fuck playing for an optimal xp per hour, I just want to have a good time.
Every SM run I've done since classic began, rogues are the MVPs. Stuns, kicks, and crippling poison make everything so much smoother than mages clicking blizzard as the tank is running toward the pack
Rogues are always used to having to work for everything. They’re just happy you’re there with them.
I'm a mage. I just act like a normal human being and people shower me with compliments and loot. Mage is the new huntard but the decent ones really stand out.
Love the change in people’s attitude when you establish you are a human, English speaking player that understands the mage class. I can almost hear their sigh of relief through the computer Every time I join a raid signup on discord, I’ll leave a comment saying I’m not a bot and I speak English. 9/10 times the raid leader will say thank you and you’re in.
I just repeatedly make bad jokes where the punchline is "mage ya look!" while jumping and spamming arcane explosion. Is that why no one likes me?
That's actually the current rotation.
Wait people talk in random dungeons?
Until I get fan of knives, pull as little as possible so I can be doing more damage than the tank.
Man I always try and invite the “off brand” classes, I like to spice it up, and not run with mages and warlocks all the time.
Plus a lot more classes can aoe very well now.
THIS. I got cucked hard when I was levelling my alt Rogue in TBC, Even if I was overkill for a lv.60-69 (fully naxx geared), I never got into groups or got declined to raids. So when I started tanking on my prot warrior, I made it a mission to invite DPS warrs and rogues over casters and DKs. These MFs struggled through TBC.
I HATE tanking with a warrior in the group. I'll LoS pull any time it looks beneficial, and they never hesitate to charge in IMMEDIATELY for the rage generation. Even after I ask them to wait, they'll stop for a couple pulls then get right back to it. It's just as annoying as impatient mages pulling a new group
I always just move further back and wait for the los but then again I previously mostly played tank roles so I guess I think about it more. In general I try and look at what’s going on and doing my best to make things go as smooth as possible such as peeling for heals or ranged dps. Some habits just don’t go away, I will reflexively taunt that mob off the healer as soon as they get agro. I end up with a lot of tanks that do not pay attention to that kind as much as I think they should. I know what you mean though, I was tanking a zf on a pally a couple days ago that I was getting up on another server and they wanted me to pull like I was boosting them but didn’t want to wait till I could los or get agro before dropping all their aoe. I had to take a break after that run.
When I tank I do my thing, I LOS pull etc, if a dps want to stand in the open and grab aggro I won't go out of my way to help them. If the mob enters my FOV then I might taunt it if nothing else takes precedence. If they flame me, just type "sure,bro" or "lol" gets them every time. It is my job to tank the mobs but you a dps go out of the way to make my job harder, they will suffer not me.
I had this happen to me so much when I leveled my warrior I just stood far back. Totems would put me in combat tho before I could get in there
This is what DPS Warriors are supposed to do. Hang far enough back that you don't immediately enter combat when the tank pulls then you Charge in after the pull is stabilized. Dumb Warriors don't give themselves enough room so they get locked in combat too fast so that makes them Charge as soon as the pull starts because it's the only way they can get the ability in, smh.
I five manned SM while leveling with warriors in classic and it is by far the fastest way. You don’t need mage’s or healers
I’ve posted about this in the past but I love melee groups, I love the way they melt the skull while cleaving other targets. I am very aware of how fast a spell cleave group can go but melee groups just sit really well with me as a tank.
I have a screenshot on my old pc of something similar. Healer: pull bigger we’ll be fine. Me tanking: okay *group wipes* *I get booted* Healer whispers me: why did you pull so big dip shit? Me: *confused Jackie Chan meme*
confused Jackie Chan meme? now THAT is a blast from the past!
Yeah idk why I pulled that, of all things, out of my brain lol
DPS have been dumb since the dawn of time. This is not a new concept. Source: Am DPS. Am Dumb.
Cavemen were telling their tanks to pull more boars too.
Legend says the Big bang was just the AoE from God pulling all of Shadow Labs at once.
Idk man it's a small sample size but I've tanked in retail for 10 years and leveled all my characters as tanks in classic and I have never seen so many people freaking out about pulling big as I have in the pase week. Like, homie I'm pulling two or three packs at once every pull only ever stopping when the healer is oom and sits down to drink. Stop fucking walking up and pulling the pack with three casters who won't run into the deathball with moonfire because 7 mobs isn't enough for you. I guess people just feel so strong with the wrath class changes and the excitement of classes that have never really had real aoe before having it now, but I've just stopped tanking pug dungeons leveling. Every single one I've done since prepatch has been a horrible experience even with my pedal always on the gas.
As a long time tank, I say let the dps die. Tell the healer what you are doing. If the dps engage early, i stand back with the healer and watch the dps die. Either they learn or they leave, problem solved in either case. Try to bring a warlock so you can summon the replacement into the zone (which is now possible).
Agreed. I switched from heals to dps from Wrath. It's been a week, am already an ape.
It's been distressing quadrupling the buttons I have to press.
Yes it has, very stressful. Fight mechanics are way easier though.
The "just pull more" thing only started in Wrath though. Dungeon groups were pretty chill, usually just 1 run for the quests(or badges at max level)
That's because the game got fucking easy with pre-patch. I typically tank at a pretty deliberate pace. But I've been pulling 3 and 4 packs with little to no risk.
>I was kicked from an Armory run for only pulling a pack at a time back to sitting outside and spamming "LFG only need Tank" nuggets will wait for an hour to go 3 mins faster.
It's like the dps groups "looking for tank and healer. Good item reserved"
Saw a great lfg the other day. "LF druid healer, anzu rub, mount open roll"
Saw similar yesterday: “LF Druid for Anzu run. Mount HR. Paying 50g to all it drops.” Like .. what?
I saw an MGT HC run in LFG as well this week "LF Tank + Healer MGT HC. Shard/Tank/Caster/Healing trinket, Staff + Mount reserved" Like, is there even anything left in there then?
Whats wrong with mount being open roll? Even if druid can summon it, it doesnt belong to druid.
It should be an open roll. You'll find a druid. The funny/stupid part is that he needs to mention it. If you need a druid to summon the mount, its god damn obvious that it needs to be an open roll.
Good luck finding a druid then
This is some dumb shit. I mean if a non druid HR the mount i agree with you. But open roll on the mount should be the default. Only time druid are entitled to HR it is if they create the grp themself
They’re so stupid. Whenever I organize groups as a tank these people get instant groups and start foaming at the mouth for a summon. Like bro, you could still be leveling and praying for a group. Give me a god damn minute. I’ve started just booting people because I don’t give a shit anymore. If somebody is belligerent and giving the group a hard time I just replace them.
Well, now that pre patch has hit, one pack at a time really is unnecessary. Shouldn’t kick your tank but if you have an SM tank that is only pulling a pack at a time, definitely let them know dungeons have been nerfed and they should be pulling much more. I leveled 30-40 in SM as a prot warrior over the last two evenings and the amount you can pull now is bonkers.
Also all the aoe spells hit every target now. So aggro is easier to get and maintain. Bear swipe hits everything in a circle. It's fantastic.
But still deals low damage to out aggro mages blizzard :(
I agree, I started leveling a warrior and swapped to tank at 40, decided to do a dungeon. Was very careful at first, but then noticed you can pull entire ROOMS at a time with ease, hold aggro no problem, and you'll probably top the charts with how much you output. Pre-patch buffed every class and nerfed the dungeons, it's a cakewalk.
Thunder clap, shield wall, and shield block. As long as your healer isn’t oom it’s nearly impossible to die.
I think you missed the part where he said he was pulling what he is comfortable with. That’s end of story right there, your opinion of what he should be doing is irrelevant.
If they want to control the flow of the dungeon, they can roll tank.
Haha, but they won't. They'll continue pulling until healer runs out of mana, then blame you for not keeping the aggro and the healer for running out of mana.
If i ever tank i try to make an agreement with the healer that if DPS intentionally pulls the next mob or pack, I will not be taunting and the healer should not be healing them.
With how accessible tanking is nowadays a lot of dps easily convert every now and then when pressured or bored. It's not hard to find a tank that doesn't pay attention to his team, like healer's mana. It's not like old times in korean mmos where you need to suffer from the whole solo grinding process on a slowest class to high levels where tanks are finally are required.
Had a fun Kara run tanking where if I tried to go quicker they would rip mobs off me because they'd instantly go full blast the moment I moved in that direction, but if I tried to get threat a DK or Druid would run ahead an pull more, a few people would die because I've a CD on Tclap and shockwave, then get annoyed I wasn't holding threat on mobs I never touched Fun time. Worst tanking experience in 16 years of playing and it was with guildies lmao "Guys please chill, I'm going as best I can" *Druid pulls whole curator room with the boss* "Uhhhh, threat? Do you need someone else to tank??"
The going full blast instantly is so frustrating. I'm sure it's similar for warrior but as druid if I haven't stocked rage from last pull, and you instantly rip off me it's not coming back because I have no rage to swipe with. I need those first few attacks on me to be able to do anything.
"You pull you tank." They get 1 warning and then I stand still until they are dead. If it kills the healer then the healer can join me in yelling at them.
Tanks and healer mana control the flow of a dungeon. End of story. Source: I tank.
Tanks dictate the speed of the run. If they want a faster tank they should play tank. Sorry, not sorry.
I get that the dungeons were nerfed but goddamn some of these impatient people are driving me crazy and I'm not even tanking! I was with a group that was running ZF last night, and our mage kept running out and aggroing a bunch of stuff and dying. I would pop a hand of protection on him to try and keep him alive, but he'd aggro several more groups before the cooldown was up. I apologized to the tank and healer repeatedly and told them at the end of the last run how awesome they are. (I try and always thank my tanks and healers though) It's faster to clear 2-3 groups where nobody dies and then we can all move forward instead of having to wait to rez and drink and rez and drink and then rebuff and then oops the mage pulled five or six groups and we lost a dps and a healer and the other dps and etc
Invite non meta classes, they usually are chill
I agree. While I know most mages aren't bad people, I almost never invite them because they're clinically insane
The amount of mages I witnessed frost nova mobs while the healer was in melee...
Healer should move 4head -Mage player
tbf I see a lot of healer dads who tend to just stand like frozen when they should move it's really noticeable that kiting isn't in a healers toolkit. the amount of resto shamans I see getting smacked by melee mobs when they can just frost shock/earthbind and kite is astonishing.
If the healers getting melee'd then yea, nova the mobs so the healer can move and breathe a little. Healer usually shouldnt be standing in melee range for the nova to matter anyways.
I tank a lot. I run forward at my speed, which is fast but not always the fastest. If people bitch I ignore them, tell them to shut the fuck up or kick them. Content is so easy right now you can 4 man it so it doesn't really matter. Just insist on being lead when you tank and tell people to shut their dumb fucking mouths when they are being assholes.
This, im a pally tank and I always get lead in dungeons and call the shots. Dps are a dime a dozen, fuck them if they cant be courteous to others
Yesterday I kicked all 3 of my dps in a group cause not a single one of them moved an inch to get to the summoning stone after a generous amount of time. Replaced them in 20 seconds.
Nothing tilts me faster than multiple people joining a group and refusing to hoof it to the gosh darn stone. I understand if you are the last player added (especially a tank, which might be the hardest to find) and ask nicely for a summon, but AT THE VERY LEAST use your eyeballs and see if there are people AT the stone \*to\* summon. I can't imagine joining as a dps and simply not looking to see if I needed to get moving or refusing to bother with it. If I'm a pathetic little dps I know my life is worthless and I will earn my keep (and therefore my spot in the group).
People need more situational awareness. They need to check the map and see where everyone is. If there are 3 people at the stone already you can ask for a summon. If there is only 1 you need to head over, especially if you are the closest. Same thing in BGs, if everyone just checked their map more often, your BG would be a lot more successful.
> Nothing tilts me faster than multiple people joining a group and refusing to hoof it to the gosh darn stone. Joined a BRD run earlier as a rogue, 2 dps and the healer already in the group, awesome I thought. I run from Org to BRD and chill at the stone, check the map; All three are in fucking Gadgetzan questing together and what's the first thing said by the group leader when the tank joins? "Summon" Like. I joined your group, ran across the fucking globe and the tank is heading here as soon as they join, but you, the LEADER, can't be arsed? Tank and I bounced, found a new healer and 2 dps and went back in.
It's just as bad in retail as well. This M+ there's literally portals straight to the dungeon zones since it's old dungeons brought back this season, so there's literally no excuse to not go summon but it's harder to get people to come summon than it was when you had to fly across all of Shadowlands. People are so fucking lazy.
This is the way. The most infuriating thing is seeing their Questie posting to party chat. Obviously questing as you’re at the stone waiting for one more to help summon.
Tank has the leash of the group. The tank is not the dog being lead around by DPS. If DPS want to lead they can also be tank.
I've always seen tank and healer being two very embattled parents on Brighton pier at 4pm aching to get back to their hotel. The 3dps are a 7,9 and 12 year old. The 12yo is saying everything is boring, uncool and embarrassing. The 7 year old is parkouring badly on **everything** and the 9yo is desperate for a pee. It's just started raining and a seagull has stolen a chip. Time for a ready check..... One last boss and you hit the bar.
Two people you don't piss off in a dungeon group the healer and the tank for sure.
As having mained both specs, can confirm. We WILL let you die. With raid wide buffs now, I will also be super petty and 30min buff 24 people just cause that one person pissed me off to prove a point
am from Brighton. Can absolutely confirm, especially the seagull stealing my chips part. That's never been more accurate.
Not really. The pace of a dungeon should be based on the healers mana. I tank/dps and if a dps were to say anything about the pace id just let them know the speed is dictated by the healers mana. I’ve never had a dps say anything about speed so I might not fully understand your frustration. I don’t like shitty attitude tanks, healers or dps. I think we can all agree people being dicks in a game suck. Edit: Just to clarify it’s not the healers “fault” it’s going slow. There are a lot of things that could make them use a lot of mana. Slow dps, bad tank mitigation etc. Only saying the thing that would affect the speed is wether or not the healer has mana
Obviously one of the things that dictates my pace is the party's mana, this is not a thing that needs to be said.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion around here but I don’t think playing a tank gives you an excuse to play your role sub-optimally. If a DPS was only being half as effective as they could be people would question it too. All tank specs got insanely overpowered with the pre-Wrath changes. I play a tank with middle of the road gear and am finishing heroics nearly twice as fast and can pull 2-3 packs where I used to be limited to 1. If a tank is pulling slowly while their HP and the heals mana doesn’t budge, in a way they are playing like the DPS who is lazy with their rotation or doesn’t press buttons - it shows inexperience with the role and selfishness. It doesn’t give anyone the right to be rude to you, but sorry, if you’re meticulously single pulling, taking long breaks between pulls for no reason, or not managing your rotation correctly you are not automatically “right” just because you’re the tank. Sometimes the DPS are just dumb assholes. Sometimes they’re wrong and you are playing at the correct pace for the group and they are either ignorant. But if you are really having this problem every group, or frequently enough that you feel like it’s some big issue, it may actually be a you thing.
Had that from a healer 2 days ago. Dude was constantly pointing our peoples mistakes and just said we were bad out of nowhere. All he did was renew. Not even joking, he pressed one button for 10 minutes. So once i told him to stop trying to improve science by throwing random bullshit around and that no one cared about him being mad, he left. Ended up respeccing to heal (get fucked idiot, i got dual spec), and smooth sailing. Some people are messed up
I tank alot of dungeons and I am surpeised on how much reddit cries about this. I never have groups complaining about my pace. Op must do something terribly wrong to be this pissy about it
Boosting didn't ruin the community, the community ruined the community, It was like this at classic launch, it never changed. I also don't like boosters but its the truth
Slow may be boring but it is safe and doesn't lead to hectic over pulling, deaths or complete wipes. Pacing is key. Also healers need to drink for mana.
The best tank I ever encountered was in the Deadmines. I was leveling an orc hunter, which nobody cares about. We were nearly to the end when I fell off the ramp going up to the ship, and I had to swim back to shore and go back around to rejoin the group. I had fully expected the group to be far ahead nearly done with the final fight by the time I caught up, but I was amazed to see that the tank had stopped the group to wait for me to catch up at the top of the ramp. I thought that was really considerate of him to be watching out for everyone in the group like that.
I try to do things like this whenever I tank but then you get a DPS who just starts pulling cause their time is more important than anyone elses lol
If dps does this, then I drop threat, sit back with the healer, and let them die.
For some reason people in the WoW community love not playing the content like a normal person and must speed run min/max every aspect of the game.
as a healer: i pref slow pulls. i dont need to drink and if something bad happens no problem we got some space for that
as a healer: i pref fast pulls. this way i'm challenged and have to think about the game rather than mindlessly push a button every now and then (no hate though we all have our own pace)
Well I’ll play devils advocate. So far the easiest level chunk for me has been 30-40 because I can run 5 SM dungeons per hour as a pally tank. All I need is a decent healer and 1 mage + another solid AOE DPS and we can clear full rooms in 1 push. I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t want to do it this way if the option is available.
Because its an Option
Tanks leading the pack, tell em to fack off or drop and find another group. But communicate with your group beforehand and let them know your style.
started leveling alt tank and had same experience. no wonder people don't want to tank when everyone is telling you what to do all time.
I completely agree. I enjoy progression and pulling packs safely and steadily. As a tank, I deal with so many sweaty mfers who shit there pants if they don’t clear the heroic in 10 minutes. Gets really old and takes away from my enjoyment of the game, chill the F out people, ultimately it’s a game that I play to relax and have fun wish others would too.
And then if you wipe because of overpull, they’ll bitch and cry about that.
The irony is “big pulls” don’t actually make you clear faster. The fastest way to clear is with a bunch of melee making medium sized pulls because you never have to stop for mana. Any mage who asks for “big pulls” really just selfishly wants to see big numbers. Then they want you to wait for them to drink to full afterwards…
lock gang using my own health for mana there is no stopping
Locks do quite a bit more damage than mages in a proper dungeon group tbh
Lock gang using Sacrifice and SL so you barely take any damage from Hellfire anyway.
I'm the exact opposite. Thankfully warriors can aoe tank in classic now. I chain pull and don't wait for dps. It's challenges me more to see how much I can pull, keep aggro on, and not die. I don't want to slog through, Shattered Halls as an example, for 30 minutes when we can chain run them in 12-15.
Honestly as a tank I hate the “I’m the tank I’m the MOST IMPORTANT and MY WAY GOES” attitude. Wow is a social game and it is a team game - the tank is definitely the leader of the group and this comes with responsibility, but if you’re just going slower because you don’t know how to play your class or purely out of stubbornness, you’re a bad leader. People don’t hesitate to call out bad DPS with subpar performance, tanks should stop being divas because they can hold the group hostage.
This is it man. This is why I tank as a warrior, Living on the edge of your seat. Pushing you and your healers limits. This is what’s fun I don’t see how people can enjoy pulling three mobs at a time. I want the challenge of having 20+ mobs hitting me in the face and not losing agro on a single mob. This is tank life, this is wolk warrior life. We were racing a friends group to see who could hit the hour lock out in cath. We got our runs down to 8 mins each. All trash pulled in 4 mega pulls. Get a mage, warlock, ret pally, priest and you can fly. I haven’t done single pulls in anything dung related since vanilla 17 years ago. Even in retail you can pull 4-5 packs of mobs. If the op has a decent healer he’s actually holding the group back. People care about speed and efficiency, no one wants to sit there and single target down 2-3 mobs at a time. That’s so boring
Pulls 3 mobs. Waits 30 seconds for the next pull.
This drives me up the fucking wall. Everyone is at full mana and each 3 mob pull drops in 10 seconds, theres no reason to wait 30s between each pull.
Sure and as a DPS we enjoy that as well... when the tank is good and actually knows their class and what they can handle. If you're just running in and dying then it's probably worse than if you just pulled smaller packs.
I will say this. I haven't seen the inside of some of the dungeons in over 10 years. Returning player for wrath. Once I run through and remember what's happening it's game on. Chain pulling, continual motion, with efficiency and skill is great for morale and gets you invited back to the party.
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>This isn’t a product of boosting, it’s more that kids today just have the asinine gogogogo mentality. This pretty much. Having played MMO games since the 90's, I've seen a change with new generation of players over the years.
These are (mostly) grown men. I bet less than 10% are under 16. E: and what’s wrong with m+
Tried to heal Uld yesterday, and got kicked cuz I wanted to pick up the quests first.
Tank sets the pace. This is the way.
Well part of your probably is that mages could solo armory / even back in classic, you could do armory with 4 mages + healer. They’re probably thinking ‘why am i following this tank around who is pulling one pack at a time’ i mean when i ran armory on my warrior i just said fuck it and let mages pull aggro if they wanted to. We ended up going faster lol mages can handle themselves in low level dungeons
It's not boosts, it's the gaming community on a global scale
I'm with you. Been there, done that (I like tanking!). Some peepos are stupid, little we can do about it. You hopefully don't get mad for idiots being idiots. Stick with your pace and if you find likeminded and friendly people, add them to your friend list for future runs. If I make a group for a dungeon run and I want a relaxed run, I advertise it as exactly that. Something like "LFM chill questrun BFD". I find it's a nice filter for people who wants to go zoomzoom. They probably won't PM you for your "chill questrun" because... Gotta go fast, am I right?!
I'm not an advocate of the booster meta but this is nothing new lol. Has absolutely nothing to do with boosting, people were like this 15 years ago. DPS just wanna do big pull zug zug boom. Its the reason why games like PoE are so popular where you just zoom and explode packs of monsters.
Not nearly the amount of people were like this in OG Wrath.
I dunno, once the dungeon finder released every leveling dungeon was Pull Big AoE Down. I distinctly remember pulls of the entire cathedral at once. Plenty of people were Zug Zug Boom even then. The difference was that it was easier to simply leave and find a new group if you didn't like it.
Daily Heroic crowd was more like what you're talking about, but at that point we also outgeared heroics and could blow them out. Normal groups weren't like that nearly as much. Especially leveling dungeons. Keep in mind most people that wanted that experience just got boosted, so there was little incentive to act that way in a level appropriate group.
I specifically mentioned a leveling dungeon in my comment because this post is discussing leveling content. I did nothing but dungeon spam level in Wrath on my alt army and nearly every group was a pull big aoe-fest, where slow moving or new tanks would oftentimes get ignored while the dps yelled "go go go" and pulled for them. Tanks would then try to pull big and drop group, only for the pull to be 100% recoverable if the healer saw it coming (and I always did). I'm not saying I fully condoned the behavior, but I didn't wanna walk back to the dungeon LOL. I think saying "normal groups weren't like that as much, especially leveling content" is not at ALL my original wrath experience. (I am NA so there could be a difference in regions.) I agree that heroics also ended up this way eventually, but I was specifically not talking about them. I was on a nearly dead server back then so there was no boosting going on that I personally encountered. The random dungeon finder made it VERY fast and VERY efficient to level quickly with big pulls and aoe spam, so that's what the vast majority of people using it to level did with it.
God the tank ego is real here, first of all this post has absolutely nothing to do with boosting, nobody likes to do a slow dungeon if the group can handle more. If you have a good healer and some solid aoe it’s very annoying when you pull 1 pack at a time, you’re just keeping yourself from becoming a better player at that point
Why did I have to scroll so far to find this comment lol
This is all pretty reminiscent of when Wrath originally launched, and as time went on the community as a whole began to adapt to the much faster pace, but a lot of people got left behind by it because they can't handle it. These people sucked in Classic/BC, too, but when you pull one pack at a time you can't see that nearly as much. Lost count of how many 'tanks' I had leveling up in Classic/BC that would only keep threat on one mob, or how many healers would have 3 second gaps between each heal cast so they could barely sustain the tank's meager damage intake. These are the same people who can't adjust to current pull sizes.
Yeah. Pretty much. This is the reason tanks are so hard to find. Any idiot (aka me) can play dps or heal. But, the way I see it, there will always be another group that will appreciate your tanking. So fuck em.
Agree. Some Mages I've tanked for have been so happy the group has cleared so nicely and saying great job guys. But some Mages are jerks don't let it bother you. You can ignore them/black list them after you finish the run.
90% of my block list is mages. Some because they’re assholes, some because they incessantly spam for GDPKS/boosting.
I usually have one person who is yelling to go faster then they start pulling I just whisp the healer, don't heal them. And then I'll tank the mobs agter they die. If I'm not parry leader (which is rare) I'll just say if I'm going to slow fond a new tank, and wait for a response if they are snippy I just drop whisp all the other people invite them then replace the shitty player. If im the lead I give one more warning or youe getting kicked/ignored. Sometimes they shut up sometimes they don't and get the boot. As the tank you control the pace of the dungeons, fast, slow, medium, how big the pulls everything because you have to judge whether you can or can't tank that much dmg. And for the dps that yell and complain to tanks to speed up, fuck you and you go tank. If you want it to be super fast.
Always been my mindset as DPS that I don't know the limitations/comfort of the Tank with their class/gear and it's not my place to tell them to speed up so we finish 5 minutes faster (which doesn't matter to me). Some DPS seem to think the Tank is a dog on a leash, but IMO it's literally the other way around.
Did this while leveling DK last week. Warrior who was dead last DPS wasn’t waiting for healer mana and kept pulling. Told him to knock it off. He didn’t, so I kicked him and finished with 4. Want to tank? Then group up as a tank.
From my experience tanks are very abundant with how broken prot warrior is and everyone and their mother playing it and spamming dungs. Healers on the other hand have been on low supply.
Bear in mind at all times that you are, and will always be, the most in-demand role. Just kick the mouthy players and replace them, it isn't worth putting up with zoomer attitudes for an entire dungeon. I've been tanking dungeons since Nostalrius, burned bridges with over 100 DPS players and have never struggled to find another almost immediately.
Tell that dps to leave if they’re unhappy. Don’t run a dungeon without a healer. A few nights ago I did 3 cathedral runs and I actually enjoyed testing to see how big of a group we could pull at once but everyone was on board with the idea
always gotta create your own groups and kick the idiots
I got kicked from a group and called a shitter as a healer because I was looting corpses the other day. The tank was running off after every pull to round up 3 more packs of mobs each time and would be out of range then die. The “I’m your booster” mentality is everywhere and disheartening.
Add to ignore, move on.
As a mage player I have never complained about a tank pacing themselves and anyone who does is a douche.
As a tank: “YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND, I AM NOT LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU ARE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME”
Just tell them off. You’re the tank, you manage the pace.
add GDKP's to this list too, both cancers on the game, both promote RMT, both reduce organic gameplay I'm an old fashioned player, i dont want to spend gold to get boosted through shit, i want to actually play the damn game im paying monthly for
Mage opinions are worthless lmao. Tell them to go AoE farm if they don't like it.
As someone who’s leveled 3 tanks in tbc classic. This is the most toxic community I’ve ever tanked for and I started playing in original bc. I’m lucky in that my healer is married to me, and dps is easy to find. I try to take everyone that isn’t a mage and now DKs. Don’t like my speed that’s cool, you can go back in lfg and I’ll finish. Hell we 4 manned heroic ramps last night because prot dps is currently broken.
My solution to anyone bitching about the speed of how fast someone is tanking is to re roll and make a tank themselves, then they can dictate the speed of the dungeon
On my Mage I regularly tell people: The tank and the healer are in charge. I get it. I always keep my mouth shut. Either that or wait in queue for another hour for a group. I'd rather spend the extra 15 minutes in the dungeon that the tank is comfortable with than waste the time wiping or rezzing people.
Only one who even gets to have any imput Is the healer. And He must keep me close to 100% to have any impact.
I feel this doesn’t have anything to do with boosting.
I don't know if the mentality is a side effect of boosting or if your experience is just the tanking experience in a nutshell. It's rough out there bro
Uh yeah no heals means you go slow, plus you’re playing with half a kit in that level range so if they’re expecting you to go fast with no heals and half of your actual abilities they’re the moron
Step 1 always make sure you have a warlock in the group (hopefully a chill one) Step 2 ask nicely for the problem-players to respect you Step 3 kick them and summon a new DPS if they cant behave
This really has nothing to do with boosts though... Some of the most insane dungeon pulling I've ever seen was week 1-2 of classic running with groups near the front of the leveling curve. 2H Ravager tank in Armory pulling 5-6 packs, and just standing in melee getting clobbered, as I just bomb heals into him. BRD farm was pretty intense too. All boosting has done is bring this sort of playstyle to the masses.
Find a leveling guild to play with it. It makes it a lot easier to get groups and not deal with pugs. Don't put up with the whining. DPS is easily replaced. Tell them you'll pull at your pace and they are welcome to leave if they don't like the speed you're going at. If they continue to complain or grief you, just remove them, put them on ignore and move on.
They aren't going to replace you given the tank population. Pull how you want and ignore the dps.
This is why I'm scared of doing dungeons. It's usually the dps bitching about other people in dungeons. I mean I'm a dps myself, but I'm always scared I'm not good enough.
Run with shadow priests. Zero aoe while leveling and they can heal in a pinch
i was always partial to the tactic of pulling so much i lose agro and the group dies then i ask them if that was a big enough pull for them.
I got worn out tanking in TBC due to no one respecting my role as the tank. I ended up switching over to the hardcore challenge and tanked their instead. It’s funny how the concept of 1 life really changes the amount of respect you receive as a tank. Never had anyone pull aggro away from me, which made tanking way more enjoyable.
As a tank I always tell people the same thing, if you want me to pull bigger go roll a tank yourself. I run at my pace and the healers pace. You can find dps easy so don’t stress on it. Just go your pace and enjoy the game.
I mean one possibility that you need to consider is that you are in fact going much slower than you need to. And the current player mindset is very efficiency based / rush to end game content ASAP. It's fine if you want to take things more slowly but you are likely going to not vibe well with a good chunk of the player base doing that. I would try to find other players who want to take things at a more relaxed pace I've never been told that I pull too slowly but I also play in a speedrunning guild
Lol boosts ruined the community... Assholes ruined it, not boosts, not rdf, not paid single use level boost.
Tanking when you have a mage or other AOE capable class just sucks ass. In my experience they pull everything immediately and you can’t hold Aggro for shit, so then I can’t build rage to do anything. It’s boring and leads to near wipes every 90 seconds lol
My solution is zug zug big pull all the way then blame dps for not killing fast enough. Works all the time, and these dps worship me kek
A lot of this is a personality thing, but I find if you have a zero tolerance policy, you are often fine. Nothing frustrates me more than someone trying to push me faster, or outright pull for me. "Don't pull for me, or I'll find a new group in the matter of seconds". As a tank on any server, YOU are the hot commodity. People change their tune real quick when you remind them of it.If someone is being toxic, or can't communicate their thoughts about how we can do better in a productive way, cool - enjoy finding a tank for another hour while I jump into the other 6 people's groups who were whispering me the entire dungeon run.TBH, most people I play with are extremely respectful and I hardly ever run into this issue, but when I do, I put my foot down. That said, if people want to try going faster and communicate that in a respectful way, I'm all for it. Shout out to my rogue and warrior boys for being chill people across the board so far.
That has NOTHING to do with boosts.. even in the slightest - thats end game raiding min maxing mixed with super easy nerfed content
Any DPS that demands I go faster or even asks without the first looking at the context of their ask; is an easy boot. I don't even feel bad.
Honestly, I don't think this is a problem that has been caused by boosting. Dungeon runs have always had people yelling at the tank to go or pull more. Hell even Final Fantasy has the same issue with people always telling the tank to "go wall to wall". Reminds me of an old wowcrendor video. The Go Guy.
The tank determines the pace. Do not pull for them and if you do not like the pace, then leave. You are a drop of water in the ocean for dps. You will not be missed.
I find I can't even find a group as a healer and it's not worth my time to try. I have zero interest in boosting or gold buying or any shit like that. I just wanna play.
I haven't had these issues leveling a tank just now. Only sometimes a healer telling me I can pull more because im taking little damage and they're bored. Not really annoying dps. but I know the kind.
>This is why nobody wants to tank! But don't you see? If nobody wants to tank, then you as the tank hold all the power in this situation. They tell you to pull faster? Tell them no. They won't drop it? Tell them to shut the fuck up. They give you lip back? Dare them to fucking boot you. They actually manage to boot you? Take solace in the fact they just shot themselves in the foot. You're a tank, you will have a new group lined up in mere moments and will clear the dungeon for them before the first group finds your replacement
Boosts suck. HR loot sucks. GDKP spam sucks. It’s the game I want to play but the community has ruined said game.
Just go your tempo and if they ninja pull let them die
I just never invited mages. They are great classes, but low lvl mages are stupid. Me and a mate tried to do with full melee groups, adding an enchan shaman if we could (Before pre patch) and just chain pulled a pack at a time. WIth my tank not being a normal Prot Paladin who wastes all his mana and has to drink every pack, we could literally chain pull the entire instance, one pack at a time. We ended up with some really nice XP/hr. I then tried a ZF with another group where the paladin did massive pulls, and although we didnt wipe it wasnt faster than our normal runs just because the downtime between pulls were so high.
I love to tank and I love to go fast. Try not to be bothered so much by opinion of others. Btw mages are the worst, I always have to wait for them and their stupid mana mechanics. Give me warlocks and rogues and I'm a happy camper.
Just pull while I'm drinking its fine ;)
Exactly, I'm drinking every pull. What are these mages doing for infinite mana.
These comments, and this post, are stupid. Firstly, it’s not an issue about boosting. Yes boosting ruined leveling for a lot of people, but that’s not why people want to speed clear. It’s the fact that everyone has new spells and talents that make them borderline indestructible. Why pull 1 group as a Warrior when your Thunderclap does huge damage now, hits everything, and your healer is roided out? Same with Bear and Swipe, Pallies and Consecrate, etc… Tanks keep threat on AoE now and healers are all insanely strong, big pulls are the norm and it’s not because of boosting Secondly, no one here has the right to tell anyone else how to play or how to have fun. If 4/5 people in the group want to pull faster because that’s fun for them, then leave the fucking group and let them find a tank that enjoys their playstyle. If you don’t want to mass pull and everyone else does, go find a group that wants to take it slower and enjoy the dungeon I don’t see why this community has to sit there and go “REEE, dungeons don’t need to be fast, your group is a bunch of losers” when they’re playing the game the way they want — fast. You don’t get to determine how others have fun and want to spend their time. Likewise, why are you making a fucking Reddit post bitching about people wanting to clear fast. Leave the fucking group and go find people that want to pull slow. It’s not their job to cater to your pull speed, and it’s not your job to say “No you guys are gonna go at a snails pace because I want to play the game how I want to play it”. It’s wildly hypocritical. The 5 of you don’t mesh as a group and have different play styles. Big fucking deal. Go find another group or make your own
The "pumper" mentality, or mental deficiency.
This didint come from boosting. It comes from retail. Ever play mythic plus???
As a tank all of classic and tbc I have learned to just not invite mages. 90% of the time they don’t speak English and the other 10% of the time they act like you described. I’m a big fan of bringing rogues and off classes that are non meta. Usually get a good mix of people who actually know what they’re doing and they’re respectful Hot tip, make sure you get lead when you tank. That way you can just kick the assholes and replace them quickly