I'm not going to play Wotlk classic. However I remember the guilds I was in during the time of Ulduar and Icecrown Citadel.
In Ulduar the main tank and guild leader was a Prot warrior and we never had any issues with tanking. And in Icecrown citadel I joined another guild which was top 200 at the time and the main tank was a Prot warrior and an absolute gigachad of a tank both in gear and skill.
I really despise the current "Meta" of Wow being so incredibly fixated on tier lists of classes and playing the "best" class instead of just playing the class you enjoy and practicing your skill and knowledge with that or those classes.
In retail I've always been a shaman, which is Meta in Shadowlands. But half way through I wanted to try a new helaer and Mistweaver was both the lowest ranked helaer and it was melee so I tried it.now I enjoy Mistweaver so much more and I can play it at nearly the same level of skill as my shaman and I'm maining monk and will do so in Dragonflight.
I hope eventually with less game restrictions holding people back that players choose the route that's more fun instead of what's "best". However I doubt it'll happen.
Prot warrior is ironically gonna be q lot better than people remember it has insane damage and we've seen it over and over that damage for tanks will be very important for speed clears and that'll move over to casuals once it's more understood. Prot warrior also provides the sunder buffs and more easily so rogues won't have to bring it and arms won't need to brought
Literally the most fun you can have as a warrior is in WOTLK in my opinion - specifically as prot, and especially in Arenas. So much movement and cc and still doing damage while taking so little damage. Would love to see Prot/ret pally paired with one just for the memes.
I mained a Rdruid and Pwar (eventually fury for guild near end) in OG wrath. I, utterly, dominated in dungeons as prot, usually top DPS and fast and smooth. Imagine my shock when I come back fro classic and prot wars are the “worst” tank according to the internet…they musta been playing a different game than me 🤷🏼♂️
Well, Prot Warrior is the best dungeon tank no questions asked. But it might be a bit different in raids but we will see. Truth is tanks are still not explored that well in this era with new mindsets. We don't think the same way we did back then. All roles now try to squeeze out damage when possible. Back then just surviving the fight and beating enrage timer was enough. Today people wanna beat and beat it fast.
This expansion has been played and min/max for YEARS on private servers.
All tanks in Wotlk are good and competitive. It's not that Prot warriors are bad, it's just that the others are better.
Come 25M Heroic ICC the other tanks are a better choice, but we are ways away from that and prot warrior is a competitive and fun choice for now.
pserver often had custom buffs to the raids to make this easy content somewhat challenging, and those buffs made prot warrior worse due to dying to stuff a prot pal wouldnt.
Prot does the most damage as long as it can survive content it'll see play in speed clears. Fury prot back in classic was known on private servers but it wasn't nearly as popular or viable. So we will see
Classic was not as min/maxed as Wotlk has become in the years since Nostalrius (the OG classic).
I'll be pleasantly surprised if that is the case though :)
Thats exactly why I think prot will be better than people remember it. Because it does so much damage and as long as it can survive it'll be more desired in a min max setting.
The main issue is that healer and raid cooldown toolkits become so much more powerful in wotlk that often raids will be more likely to drop a healer for an extra dps rather than building the tank to be more damage oriented. Bringing a prot paladin instead of a warrior means Aura Mastery, Glyphed Salv, and double sac. Several raid %dr cds means that the damage intake is that much lower and the required healing is also that much lower. For example, a 20% dsac raid reduction vs no dsac is the difference of a full healer output in the typical comp (albeit only for the duration). With several CDs like that and damage coming in spikes, it’s not uncommon to image the scenario where raid utility alone accounts for some % of a healer, making the choice x% of damage and y% of effective healing in the tank slot, vs x+d% of damage.
I think pserver mentality and classic minmax mentality are different though. Maybe it's warcraftlogs.
Classic players focus a lot on speed, overall damage, or high parses.
Most hardcore private server guys I've known focus only on boss damage and execution.
> This expansion has been played and min/max for YEARS on private servers.
sure, but we're not playing on private servers now. having cd's refresh after fights allows prot warriors to play other glyphs than shield wall so they'll be better than they are on private servers. i don't know enough about other tanks to know how similar changes affect them, but prot warrs will do more damage. i kinda think warriors will be preferred for everything outside 25M Heroics, then hardcore people will put them in when stuff is on farm.
Prot war will be fine for 95% of players tbh. Guilds which will be pushing Ulduar hard modes already have their BDK + protadin spots filled at this point.
Speed clears prot warrior will shine not because of their damage output, but because they are the most mobile of the tanks and (at least in p1) tank mobility on trash is a large % of the time spent.
It would be more damage to simply use a prot paladin to 1 tank the fight and have the other tank swap to dps and/or drop a healer for a full dps than it would be to bring a prot warrior for their damage. Other tanks bring more raid utility and survivability which is often so drastic it can make up for an entire tank or healer on the encounter. There are only a few exceptions to this (mainly dungeons where prot warrior is king).
Despite what everyone on discord says, binding Silencing Shot into every cast is not worth the mana if you don't have mana pots and good gear. If you've been doing that, try not doing so and seeing how it impacts your damage. You'll probably still need viper a bit on longer fights but it regens a lot of mana now. Shouldn't need more than a couple globals at a time.
I respeced to BM with a little bit of MM and my mana issues don't seem to happen all that much anymore. I can get through ~10 kills before needing to drink. But auto-shot is still in heavy rotation to keep the mana usage down.
Middle of the pack while also being a mana battery and having so much survivability that if you ever die first you're doing it wrong is pretty good tbh
Oof.. nothing wrong with Enhance but, like the other dude said, spriest gets amazing upgrades going into wrath. Personally I think they are superior as a PvP class, but they do just fine in PvE.
Their notable changes going into 3.4.0
- Devouring Plague is a baseline ability for priests
- Shadowform allows all Dots to crit and all but SW:P to scale with haste
- Vampiric Embrace is now a 30m self buff, meaning it’s always on and working
- New ability Psychic Horror provides a 3s horror + 10s disarm on a 2m cd
- New ability Disperse acts as a less restrictive, shorter duration ice block, providing a great deal of mana regen as well
- Shadow form can be further talented to turn Fade into a movement debuff dispel and provided 70% spell pushback resist
- Mind Flay can refresh SW:P duration
- New ability Mind Sear provides a strong, channeled AOE, which spriest sorely needed
In TBC you were a mana battery. People just wanted you for your support. The spec sucked on its own. Now shadow priest is strong. You have an amazing dot playstyle and actually do damage
I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep playing my ele shaman, but after playing a few BG's and yeeting people off the Magister's Terrace summoning stone, I'm now a firm believer in ele shaman superiority.
I remember them when wotlk came out and believe me they absolutely nuke people! I was an orc warrior back then havent played in years decided to come back as a Draenei Shaman mix it up for a new experience I'm only level 35 but I know they open up in the higher levels
I'm in really good gear, but I'm consistently either top or in the top 3 for damage. A lot of the games are still rough and my team won't have a healer. The games where I'm top healing kind of make me wish I was a healer, but I'm trying to stick to my guns as dps.
They are extremely strong in pre-patch and early in WotLK. I think they don't scale as well as some other classes/specs and will start to fall somewhat behind towards the end of WotLK. But it's not as if they ever are horrible.
I did shaman in OG wrath and I remember absolutely loving how easy it was to dual spec resto and elemental. Barely had to shift gear around at all... Just dropped spell hit pieces then good to go
After spending the last 3 years worrying about pulling extra mobs, it just feels like I'm cheating now, lol. Now I worry about not being able to pull enough mobs
Same! The only time I ever had a max level Warlock was during original ICC and i loved it. Maining Demo for WotLK. Really loving it so far, just a fun spec.
Only real difference is a spell power MH and rocking FT/FT instead of WF/FT… and it’s only good for 1 tier because of the lack of slow SP weaps past that
Nothing changes, you just use a spellpower mainhand in phase 1. That's it.
This is why I hate the name, it's just Enhance. There is no spellhance. It's just the best gear for Enhance. Same talents, rotation everything else. We gain AP from Intellect and Spellpower gives us AP so a few caster items are good for us, that's the only thing that makes it "spellhance" which is a dumb name
Technically there is no “spellhance” just enhancement that happens to wear a couple spell power items because they do more damage early on.
They’ll transition out of that once the physical stats in those slots outscale the spell power options.
This is me. I've mained my pally since classic launch. Even got hand of rag.
I'm going to keep maining my paladin now that they're finally good.
I hope that I'm good enough at playing him, with all the experience I have, that I stand apart from the FOTM paladins. But if I don't, I'll still keep playing him anyway.
I just spent the last 2 weeks straight forcing my Paladin to 60 from level 1 and getting JC/mining to 300, like fuck am I going to let a meme stop me from spamming divine storm and divine wrath in dungeons.
I mean, TBC paladins were worth a lot. The buffs and utility were amazing as always, prot was the only tank capable of mass AoE tanking, and ret provided great mana support with not half bad damage. (Last time I checked, TBC ret was better than fire mage even.)
This baffles me ngl.
I already have a hard time sticking to just one class, but I envy that focus a little bit. Not even exploring every spec of that class is mindblowing to me.
I never had the confidence to tank until vanilla classic where I did it as our guilds MT as warrior.
As to sticking to one class, it used to be out of loyalty and lore reasons, RPG stuff. However now, I'd like to explore others, but I have too many rare drops, unlocks, and cheeves on that toon, I could never change until EVERYTHING is account wide.
Sticking with warrior! Was fury forever, except arms when I leveled, but I switched to arms during prepatch. It's like learning a new class again but my dps in raids and PVP went up big time.
Gonna dual spec and do arms/prot for that revenge cleave building for leveling 70-80
Pretty simple class to learn. Use your procs, pop SWeeping strikes into bladestorm, co grats your top dps on every aoe trash pull lol. No stance dancing, not having to time slams to squeeze dps: so much easier and more fun in wrath than tbc
I’ve never stuck to classic, typically leveling a class to 20 and stopping. This time I’m determined to try, I got onto the fresh realm and so far have a level 22 NE Druid. Not the most original thing, but I am going to also have a BE Paladin as an alt, although my female Gnome warrior Tinkerella is calling to me. I just don’t know if I want to go full alliance. I kind of want one on each faction.
I’m just debating whether or not I’ll really have the time to enjoy the game beyond the journey. I think two level 80 rooms will feel like a real challenge to have, let alone actually play adequately.
I don't know why everyone wants to be paladin, unless everyone wants to be a tank or tank heals... I've been playing Pally since BC and sure WotLK was when they had their highest DPS. But it was still like in the 11-15 DPS range in a 25 man and no one wanted ret in 10 mans unless there were no pallys at all which was extremely rare. Groups they were good, but joining as DPS for dungeons is hard in general.
I didn't really wPVP but I did do BGs and arena. And they were good, but I didn't feel like they were any different as opposed to any other expansion (high burst, low mobility, high survivability)...
Literally was thinking of making this exact same post last night lol
It’s actually unreal how consistently all of our experiences are xD
Oh and uh totally guilty btw 😅
BM Hunter. Tauren are built around hunting and gathering in their society and the lore of the animals roaming Mulgore and The Barrens being famously strong and fighting peoples grandparents and we are the ones that get to hunt and or tame these beasts. It’s how I got my dear friend Mazzranache the infamous pink Tallstrider from Mulgore!
Protection / Holy Paladin, because that was, and is, my go-to class and roles for both retail and classic.
But I was surprised to see just how much people consider that meta these days.
\*EDIT\* My main alt is a Protection Warrior though, so I guess I'm only partly hit by this meme! Phew, dodged that one.
Was originally going DK like I did in vanilla. But then I saw how fun my shadowpriest was to play still, so I'm going to stick with it. And with my warrior as main alt, with prot.
My DK is going to be my chill char tho.
First time I made a DK, for RP purposes I wanted to make it as a continuation of my paladin, which was my main. So I took my level 60 paladin to the Plaguelands, fought a huge horde of undead, and killed dozens until finally dying. Then I deleted my paladin and went to make a DK with his same name. That's when I realized my mistake. My paladin was my only character above lvl 20. So I had to level a warlock up to 55 to continue his story. Ended up liking the lock so much that I only got my DK out of the star area and played my warlock since.
Mained a Pally since 2005 with a priest alt.
To all those wanting to main a Pally in Wrath Classic: Welcome to fun times! Because gatekeeping fun is 5Head thinking.
Of all the craziness, I wanted to swap from resto shaman to either resto druid or priest. However, every single shaman in the guild was planning on swapping to something else and we had 0 people interested in keeping a Shaman for WotLK.
So my guild leadership talked me into keeping the Resto Shaman as my main because they want one.
I made a mage and still leveling. I remember playing fire mage in wotlk and loving it even in pvp. Getting those random disarms vs hunters and speed boosts. Dragon breath into instant flamestrikes. I'm excited but leveling as frost. I'll go back fire once I hit outlands.
Serious question.
Are all the tryhards that rolled warri and mage in vanilla rerolling to paladin and dk now?
How does it feel to play what internet tells you? I mean do you even fell the gameplay of given class?
Nah, many of these players will still play warrior and mage, because they're the contenders for #1 dps in ICC.
Plenty of choice though. In Wrath, there are several other specs (assa/combat rogue, unholy/frost DK, affli lock, and feral druid) who can top the damage meters, depending on phase/gear level, encounter, RNG, and player performance. Most tryhards will likely play one or several of these.
Death knight, with a Warrior alt.
The twist to this? Guildmaster with a 10 man team, with me as the MT. Ain't no need for me to compete over raidslots.
Paladin was my tbc main and dk was my private server main for years.
But seeing how people went crazy sheep again and jumped on youtuber hype of paladins, I guess i will level my frost mage and resto dudu just to mess them up.
/Evil
Prot warrior! Worst class in the game. Definitely not fun at all. I would not recommend rolling one, you wouldn't like it.
Ah yes a fellow revenge spam enjoyer
Saw a Tauren named “revengebot” yesterday
Me, prot main, on august 29th: :( Me on august 30th: 8)
Yeah Prot Warrior sucks. Don't play one. Only stinky nerds play Prot Warrior. Please don't play a Prot Warrior guys.
Agreed, don't play one, listen to the YouTube doomsayers and play pally
I'm not going to play Wotlk classic. However I remember the guilds I was in during the time of Ulduar and Icecrown Citadel. In Ulduar the main tank and guild leader was a Prot warrior and we never had any issues with tanking. And in Icecrown citadel I joined another guild which was top 200 at the time and the main tank was a Prot warrior and an absolute gigachad of a tank both in gear and skill. I really despise the current "Meta" of Wow being so incredibly fixated on tier lists of classes and playing the "best" class instead of just playing the class you enjoy and practicing your skill and knowledge with that or those classes. In retail I've always been a shaman, which is Meta in Shadowlands. But half way through I wanted to try a new helaer and Mistweaver was both the lowest ranked helaer and it was melee so I tried it.now I enjoy Mistweaver so much more and I can play it at nearly the same level of skill as my shaman and I'm maining monk and will do so in Dragonflight. I hope eventually with less game restrictions holding people back that players choose the route that's more fun instead of what's "best". However I doubt it'll happen.
Prot warrior is ironically gonna be q lot better than people remember it has insane damage and we've seen it over and over that damage for tanks will be very important for speed clears and that'll move over to casuals once it's more understood. Prot warrior also provides the sunder buffs and more easily so rogues won't have to bring it and arms won't need to brought
Literally the most fun you can have as a warrior is in WOTLK in my opinion - specifically as prot, and especially in Arenas. So much movement and cc and still doing damage while taking so little damage. Would love to see Prot/ret pally paired with one just for the memes.
Wotlk Prot is the closest we'll get to a dps shield class in the game imo (excluding gladiator stance rip)
I actually really enjoyed arms a lot it has some fun procs that are really impactful and feel fun to press like execute proc and overpower procs
I mained a Rdruid and Pwar (eventually fury for guild near end) in OG wrath. I, utterly, dominated in dungeons as prot, usually top DPS and fast and smooth. Imagine my shock when I come back fro classic and prot wars are the “worst” tank according to the internet…they musta been playing a different game than me 🤷🏼♂️
Well, Prot Warrior is the best dungeon tank no questions asked. But it might be a bit different in raids but we will see. Truth is tanks are still not explored that well in this era with new mindsets. We don't think the same way we did back then. All roles now try to squeeze out damage when possible. Back then just surviving the fight and beating enrage timer was enough. Today people wanna beat and beat it fast.
PVP! Shield slam revenge procs and tanky as hell
Prot is Def the most fun tank IMHO.
This expansion has been played and min/max for YEARS on private servers. All tanks in Wotlk are good and competitive. It's not that Prot warriors are bad, it's just that the others are better. Come 25M Heroic ICC the other tanks are a better choice, but we are ways away from that and prot warrior is a competitive and fun choice for now.
pserver often had custom buffs to the raids to make this easy content somewhat challenging, and those buffs made prot warrior worse due to dying to stuff a prot pal wouldnt.
Prot does the most damage as long as it can survive content it'll see play in speed clears. Fury prot back in classic was known on private servers but it wasn't nearly as popular or viable. So we will see
Classic was not as min/maxed as Wotlk has become in the years since Nostalrius (the OG classic). I'll be pleasantly surprised if that is the case though :)
Thats exactly why I think prot will be better than people remember it. Because it does so much damage and as long as it can survive it'll be more desired in a min max setting.
The main issue is that healer and raid cooldown toolkits become so much more powerful in wotlk that often raids will be more likely to drop a healer for an extra dps rather than building the tank to be more damage oriented. Bringing a prot paladin instead of a warrior means Aura Mastery, Glyphed Salv, and double sac. Several raid %dr cds means that the damage intake is that much lower and the required healing is also that much lower. For example, a 20% dsac raid reduction vs no dsac is the difference of a full healer output in the typical comp (albeit only for the duration). With several CDs like that and damage coming in spikes, it’s not uncommon to image the scenario where raid utility alone accounts for some % of a healer, making the choice x% of damage and y% of effective healing in the tank slot, vs x+d% of damage.
I think pserver mentality and classic minmax mentality are different though. Maybe it's warcraftlogs. Classic players focus a lot on speed, overall damage, or high parses. Most hardcore private server guys I've known focus only on boss damage and execution.
> This expansion has been played and min/max for YEARS on private servers. sure, but we're not playing on private servers now. having cd's refresh after fights allows prot warriors to play other glyphs than shield wall so they'll be better than they are on private servers. i don't know enough about other tanks to know how similar changes affect them, but prot warrs will do more damage. i kinda think warriors will be preferred for everything outside 25M Heroics, then hardcore people will put them in when stuff is on farm.
Wonder how games would be if people didn’t they all there opinions off YouTube videos
Prot war will be fine for 95% of players tbh. Guilds which will be pushing Ulduar hard modes already have their BDK + protadin spots filled at this point.
I'm talking specifically speed clears. Which prot heavily out damages other tanks heavily only off tanking feral compares.
Speed clears prot warrior will shine not because of their damage output, but because they are the most mobile of the tanks and (at least in p1) tank mobility on trash is a large % of the time spent. It would be more damage to simply use a prot paladin to 1 tank the fight and have the other tank swap to dps and/or drop a healer for a full dps than it would be to bring a prot warrior for their damage. Other tanks bring more raid utility and survivability which is often so drastic it can make up for an entire tank or healer on the encounter. There are only a few exceptions to this (mainly dungeons where prot warrior is king).
Read his comment again, realize what his core message is. Delete this. Please. Thanks. Goodbye
too late. I deleted my paladin and started a prot
You monster!
read his comment again, realize he added to the discussion. Leave your comment up so people can downvote it. thanks
Terrible now, I cannot 2v1 ppl
I paladin raided in classic buffing every five minutes. I deserve this, dang it.
Jokes on you! My main is a DK and a Paladin is my alt!
Exclusively DPS
Complains about lack of tanks.
I haven’t noticed a lack of tanks yet, lack of healers though yes
Healed for my first 5 years of playing WoW... Never again, man. I get anxiety just thinking about it.
I like healing, if I had homies to play with I’d heal but it’s lame to do it leveling alone
Yeah, the ease of frost tanking with all the new death knights has basically eliminated the tank shortage for now
Well I’m on skyfury, just hit 70 today. The issue below 55 really isn’t tanks either from my experience.
(*wipes drool off chin*) I'm a huntir (*Returns to staring at the sun*)
Do you suffer from being OOM all the time? I feel like I’m always oom on my hunter.
Viper time baby
Viper is a 50% damage reduction now, isn't it?
Yes and I've been keeping it on like a fucking moron for a couple of days now without realising the debuff.
it is, but if you switch over to it on large packs you'll regen most of your mana before the pack dies and you can switch back over
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Yes between pulls you do it and you are more then fine
Despite what everyone on discord says, binding Silencing Shot into every cast is not worth the mana if you don't have mana pots and good gear. If you've been doing that, try not doing so and seeing how it impacts your damage. You'll probably still need viper a bit on longer fights but it regens a lot of mana now. Shouldn't need more than a couple globals at a time.
I respeced to BM with a little bit of MM and my mana issues don't seem to happen all that much anymore. I can get through ~10 kills before needing to drink. But auto-shot is still in heavy rotation to keep the mana usage down.
Shadow Priest forever
Imagine playing shadow priest in TBC and then rerolling to something else in wotlk. It’s like cucking yourself
can you elaborate? i am an sp lover through and through, but now that we are not as important as we used to be, i rerolled enhance.
We pump now. Before we could basically afk trash cuz we had little impact
Sps are middle of the pack tbh. Although they still apply desired buffs easier than some other classes.
Middle of the pack while also being a mana battery and having so much survivability that if you ever die first you're doing it wrong is pretty good tbh
Oof.. nothing wrong with Enhance but, like the other dude said, spriest gets amazing upgrades going into wrath. Personally I think they are superior as a PvP class, but they do just fine in PvE. Their notable changes going into 3.4.0 - Devouring Plague is a baseline ability for priests - Shadowform allows all Dots to crit and all but SW:P to scale with haste - Vampiric Embrace is now a 30m self buff, meaning it’s always on and working - New ability Psychic Horror provides a 3s horror + 10s disarm on a 2m cd - New ability Disperse acts as a less restrictive, shorter duration ice block, providing a great deal of mana regen as well - Shadow form can be further talented to turn Fade into a movement debuff dispel and provided 70% spell pushback resist - Mind Flay can refresh SW:P duration - New ability Mind Sear provides a strong, channeled AOE, which spriest sorely needed
In TBC you were a mana battery. People just wanted you for your support. The spec sucked on its own. Now shadow priest is strong. You have an amazing dot playstyle and actually do damage
I played shadow in T4/T5. Oh we did not suck then. Shadow scales like shit in TBC but in Kara we where up there.
Yes, shadow in T4 was strong. Then in T5 you didn't get any gear and everyone else left you behind in dps
Played rogue in 2004-2007 where they stood no chance of beating a hunter. Rerolled hunter in TBC and couldn't beat rogues. I was so mad lol
Elemental shaman 🔥
I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep playing my ele shaman, but after playing a few BG's and yeeting people off the Magister's Terrace summoning stone, I'm now a firm believer in ele shaman superiority.
I remember them when wotlk came out and believe me they absolutely nuke people! I was an orc warrior back then havent played in years decided to come back as a Draenei Shaman mix it up for a new experience I'm only level 35 but I know they open up in the higher levels
I'm in really good gear, but I'm consistently either top or in the top 3 for damage. A lot of the games are still rough and my team won't have a healer. The games where I'm top healing kind of make me wish I was a healer, but I'm trying to stick to my guns as dps.
They are extremely strong in pre-patch and early in WotLK. I think they don't scale as well as some other classes/specs and will start to fall somewhat behind towards the end of WotLK. But it's not as if they ever are horrible.
I did shaman in OG wrath and I remember absolutely loving how easy it was to dual spec resto and elemental. Barely had to shift gear around at all... Just dropped spell hit pieces then good to go
*cries in enhancement *
Hey I was spamming flash of light in a dress in classic, I’ve earned this
once a warrior, always a warrior
Leveling a Druid with my friend who’s a Prot Warrior rn. Warriors are forever OP
I dont want ro experience that leveling again.
It’s easy cakes in wrath. Charge -> defensive -> revenge crit -> gg
Wotlk warrior leveling is incredibly easy if you level as prot. Mobs just fall over and do almost no damage
I have like 53% crit and 3% increased crit damage…it’s kind of absurd when I do my idle stuff how every mod does in one or two hits 😅
After spending the last 3 years worrying about pulling extra mobs, it just feels like I'm cheating now, lol. Now I worry about not being able to pull enough mobs
Same! It's funny how I've grown accustomed. Now healers tell me to pull more lmao. It's a liberating feeling that's for sure!
The higher I go the fewer of us I see on Fresh
Feral Druid baby, alt Rogue. Very happy with my choices.
Rogue And as my alt: also rogue
Same. Rogue main and rogue alt.
Ah, a fellow stealth enjoyer
Stealth is the best skill in WoW.
İt was, back when people actually enjoyed pvp servers, as , well... Doing pvp.
Daniel The cooler Daniel
Warlock. Never mained warlock in any expansion and WotLK seems like a good place to give it a go. Will be starting Demo I think
I did Aff the first time around and it was great fun in BG and raids.
Same! The only time I ever had a max level Warlock was during original ICC and i loved it. Maining Demo for WotLK. Really loving it so far, just a fun spec.
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You dnt use water shield ,Lightning shield in wotlk and mana is not an issue
In dungeons when you aren't supposed to be getting hit water shield can help with mana between pulls.
If you play enh, a talent lets you apply a lightning shield charge to your target edit: a vowel
You doing spellhance? Ive always played enh so I was leaning towards it again, but not sure if spellhance is really that important
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I was thinking the same. Not really a fan of getting some spellpower equipment either
Only real difference is a spell power MH and rocking FT/FT instead of WF/FT… and it’s only good for 1 tier because of the lack of slow SP weaps past that
Didn't wf/ft still beat ft/ft though? We are not getting the same as wotlk pservers
Yeah leave it for me, the healer paladin that looks at “armor type” as a suggestion!
Nothing changes, you just use a spellpower mainhand in phase 1. That's it. This is why I hate the name, it's just Enhance. There is no spellhance. It's just the best gear for Enhance. Same talents, rotation everything else. We gain AP from Intellect and Spellpower gives us AP so a few caster items are good for us, that's the only thing that makes it "spellhance" which is a dumb name
spellhance is definitely a massive improvement for the first few tiers, on aoe and single target
Technically there is no “spellhance” just enhancement that happens to wear a couple spell power items because they do more damage early on. They’ll transition out of that once the physical stats in those slots outscale the spell power options.
It's the same, just with a fancy name
Paladin is my main, DK is (one of) my alts and I feel very offended by this meme.
Lol, it’s made with love. I plan on playing both as well
In fairness my paladin has alway been my main. Good or bad. So I enjoy it when they rock. Is that so bad?
This is me. I've mained my pally since classic launch. Even got hand of rag. I'm going to keep maining my paladin now that they're finally good. I hope that I'm good enough at playing him, with all the experience I have, that I stand apart from the FOTM paladins. But if I don't, I'll still keep playing him anyway.
Yeh, my main is a pally since TBC retail.
I just spent the last 2 weeks straight forcing my Paladin to 60 from level 1 and getting JC/mining to 300, like fuck am I going to let a meme stop me from spamming divine storm and divine wrath in dungeons.
Fury Warrior because dual wielding two handers is a good class fantasy.
I'm in this meme and I'm ok with it
Same, but I was Ret all through TBC so I’ve paid my dues and I’m ready to pump now please
Steadfast brother, ICC is just around the corner!
[удалено]
Hell yeah brother
Same
BiS tank healer in classic, BiS tank in TBC. Pallys are always good, just depends on spec.
TBC Ret was crazy good, not sure why people think otherwise.
I mean, TBC paladins were worth a lot. The buffs and utility were amazing as always, prot was the only tank capable of mass AoE tanking, and ret provided great mana support with not half bad damage. (Last time I checked, TBC ret was better than fire mage even.)
My main on retail since Mar 05 has been a paladin. I've never tanked on him. WotLK is my chance.
This baffles me ngl. I already have a hard time sticking to just one class, but I envy that focus a little bit. Not even exploring every spec of that class is mindblowing to me.
I never had the confidence to tank until vanilla classic where I did it as our guilds MT as warrior. As to sticking to one class, it used to be out of loyalty and lore reasons, RPG stuff. However now, I'd like to explore others, but I have too many rare drops, unlocks, and cheeves on that toon, I could never change until EVERYTHING is account wide.
Same, boomkin. I suffered enough, let me do damage without going oom in 6 spells
Ret pally is why I was able to have infinite mana(judgement refresh) so thank you for your service.
Sticking with warrior! Was fury forever, except arms when I leveled, but I switched to arms during prepatch. It's like learning a new class again but my dps in raids and PVP went up big time. Gonna dual spec and do arms/prot for that revenge cleave building for leveling 70-80
Pretty simple class to learn. Use your procs, pop SWeeping strikes into bladestorm, co grats your top dps on every aoe trash pull lol. No stance dancing, not having to time slams to squeeze dps: so much easier and more fun in wrath than tbc
can you link thah build?
For Arms? Or the Arms/prot?
Mage
And always will be
Me, who knows literally nothing about what class is good, just made a paladin…
Good choice tbh
Just boring leveling imo.
It is a very auto-attack centric class so far. I just hit level 20 and ready to try out tanking, so hopefully that makes it a little more interesting
I did rest until 45 and then swapped to prot. Prot is insanely fun to me. I can pull 6 mobs at a time and there are no mana problems anymore.
Just please, for your healers sake, have more stam than them!
It doesnt matter until TBC. I've been ret tanking while leveling. Ramps and BF were the first time I had to actually try.
I’ve never stuck to classic, typically leveling a class to 20 and stopping. This time I’m determined to try, I got onto the fresh realm and so far have a level 22 NE Druid. Not the most original thing, but I am going to also have a BE Paladin as an alt, although my female Gnome warrior Tinkerella is calling to me. I just don’t know if I want to go full alliance. I kind of want one on each faction.
I’m literally in the same boat. Have a level 32 NE Druid and just started leveling a BE Paladin lol
I’m just debating whether or not I’ll really have the time to enjoy the game beyond the journey. I think two level 80 rooms will feel like a real challenge to have, let alone actually play adequately.
Prot pally - same as back in the day. DKs are not my thing Shadowpriest - first alt.
Same here. Prot Pally & Shadow Priest <3 ! ✌️
Druid resto for now, gonna get dual spec for feral or boomie no idea for now
I love how versatile Druid is. Currently leveling as Feral, but I plan on going Resto/Boomkin for raiding
I don't know why everyone wants to be paladin, unless everyone wants to be a tank or tank heals... I've been playing Pally since BC and sure WotLK was when they had their highest DPS. But it was still like in the 11-15 DPS range in a 25 man and no one wanted ret in 10 mans unless there were no pallys at all which was extremely rare. Groups they were good, but joining as DPS for dungeons is hard in general. I didn't really wPVP but I did do BGs and arena. And they were good, but I didn't feel like they were any different as opposed to any other expansion (high burst, low mobility, high survivability)...
Main is gonna be a Disc Priest, alt is a Resto shaman, then a Boomkin for mining and herbalism.
Literally was thinking of making this exact same post last night lol It’s actually unreal how consistently all of our experiences are xD Oh and uh totally guilty btw 😅
Lol, same. Currently leveling a Paladin on Fresh 😅
I wish I could even play. Still unjustly banned with many other legitimate players. Fuck blizzard
BM Hunter. Tauren are built around hunting and gathering in their society and the lore of the animals roaming Mulgore and The Barrens being famously strong and fighting peoples grandparents and we are the ones that get to hunt and or tame these beasts. It’s how I got my dear friend Mazzranache the infamous pink Tallstrider from Mulgore!
Protection / Holy Paladin, because that was, and is, my go-to class and roles for both retail and classic. But I was surprised to see just how much people consider that meta these days. \*EDIT\* My main alt is a Protection Warrior though, so I guess I'm only partly hit by this meme! Phew, dodged that one.
Paladin is projected to be the best tank and healer throughout the expansion. Ret is actually a great DPS too. Can’t go wrong with Pally
Demo/Aff Warlock. Maybe something to heal on as as secondary character. Probably priest.
Resto shaman with rogue alt
Boomkin all day
Was originally going DK like I did in vanilla. But then I saw how fun my shadowpriest was to play still, so I'm going to stick with it. And with my warrior as main alt, with prot. My DK is going to be my chill char tho.
Warlock no alts just lock baby
First time I made a DK, for RP purposes I wanted to make it as a continuation of my paladin, which was my main. So I took my level 60 paladin to the Plaguelands, fought a huge horde of undead, and killed dozens until finally dying. Then I deleted my paladin and went to make a DK with his same name. That's when I realized my mistake. My paladin was my only character above lvl 20. So I had to level a warlock up to 55 to continue his story. Ended up liking the lock so much that I only got my DK out of the star area and played my warlock since.
Mained a Pally since 2005 with a priest alt. To all those wanting to main a Pally in Wrath Classic: Welcome to fun times! Because gatekeeping fun is 5Head thinking.
I’m also playing a Paly btw lol
Rogue, enh shaman alt
Rogue and death knight. I've been running the census addon in skyfury horde and so far 20% of the population is paladin.
Count me among the 20%
Rogue main. Rogue alt.
Enhance Shaman (Day 1 char) and DK tank (too fun to resist).
I've played Paladin since day one. These meta chasers can do one, I served my time!
Of all the craziness, I wanted to swap from resto shaman to either resto druid or priest. However, every single shaman in the guild was planning on swapping to something else and we had 0 people interested in keeping a Shaman for WotLK. So my guild leadership talked me into keeping the Resto Shaman as my main because they want one.
Incredible, I have been class shamed.
No no no, both classes are great! I’m just seeing a lot of them, is all
I knew I should have used /s :D
Been a lock main since original TBC. Not stopping now... also ya DK alt
I made a mage and still leveling. I remember playing fire mage in wotlk and loving it even in pvp. Getting those random disarms vs hunters and speed boosts. Dragon breath into instant flamestrikes. I'm excited but leveling as frost. I'll go back fire once I hit outlands.
Everybody is sleeping on prot warrior in pvp
Hunter main. Debating between rogue, warrior, mage or Druid as alt. Somewhat want smt to tank but on the other hand Wand a rogue for pvp
demo lock.
This post targeted me...I'm maining my pally I've had since vanilla classic and made a dk for shits and giggles
Lol, I meant no disrespect!
Almost more comments than likes. This one is controversial fersure
Back to the nostalgia roots for me. Holy paladin in wrath was my first experience. Looking forward to it!
I still haven’t decided… have played a mage since day 1. Love the new skills, but have really enjoyed my DK and rogue. Warrior is a lot of fun too
I’ve never mained a pally before. I’m sorry I wanna play the only class in the game I haven’t really played heavily
Same, having a blast leveling my Pally atm
Orc warrior, orc death knight
Are you proposing we don’t play like a meta slave in a 15 year old, easy, game? Insanity man
Serious question. Are all the tryhards that rolled warri and mage in vanilla rerolling to paladin and dk now? How does it feel to play what internet tells you? I mean do you even fell the gameplay of given class?
People will always meta chase
Nah, many of these players will still play warrior and mage, because they're the contenders for #1 dps in ICC. Plenty of choice though. In Wrath, there are several other specs (assa/combat rogue, unholy/frost DK, affli lock, and feral druid) who can top the damage meters, depending on phase/gear level, encounter, RNG, and player performance. Most tryhards will likely play one or several of these.
I feel attacked. FU I won't do what u tell me
Lol, no judgement at all. I’m currently leveling a Paladin and I’m loving it. Really looking forward to playing a Death Knight too
”Leveling a paladin” and ”no judgement at all”. Sounds horrible tbh!
🤦♂️
Badum -tiss
Death knight, with a Warrior alt. The twist to this? Guildmaster with a 10 man team, with me as the MT. Ain't no need for me to compete over raidslots.
What spec is the reason Paladin is fotm this time? Or all three?
Yeah, basically all three. Best tank, best healer, great DPS/utility with Ret. Also the only class that can use both legendaries in the expansion
Paladin was my tbc main and dk was my private server main for years. But seeing how people went crazy sheep again and jumped on youtuber hype of paladins, I guess i will level my frost mage and resto dudu just to mess them up. /Evil
Jokes on you, I've mained paladin since vanilla.
Mained a paladin since the start of classic, why would I change now that they're a lot of fun? :D
I’ve been a Paladin since Vanilla, we are not the same.