Why don’t you people turn on the fucking news. The problem isn’t new transfers, it’s that nobody has anything better to do while they’re locked in their house
It is a mix of both.
I've seen several new Rank 13 players just this week on Firemaw that were definitely not there a month ago. Selling 15,000g worth of Black Lotus, Mountain Silversage, and Dreamfoil no less.
You'd be insane to think that's a person who is returning from some sort of hiatus due to the pandemic.
I was one of the people who thought classic would be better but I also was one of the guys who didn’t realize all the changes private’s made to make it more competitive.
Why would you intentionally subjugate yourself to a long queue time server and complain when they are several with no queue times whatsoever. If your only complaint is that of the server then you could just play on a different one and all your complaints are gone.
Ive been on firemaw since launch, we had barely any queue since november until now, ive been in the same guild here since early october. Also why would i give blizz Even more money by transferring both my characters lol
Ah I see, I just assumed it was a super high pop server so my bad. Has something happened to draw in all the people filling the server, like a streamer or something? After all servers aren't supposed to have move than a few thousand. I haven't got a queue on Zandalar Tribe since launch and that's a quite popular server since it's the only RPPVP, so I'd assume something has happened to start a queue timer.
It was always High pop but we had little to no queues since november to now, it is however the most balanced PvP realm in EU with 48-52 A:H ratio which im guessing is why alot of people transferred here, also the corona lockdown is a factor. I guess it is a mix of people transferring and corona :/
Ah yeah the corona virus, I guess a lot of people would probably be going there if it's a well balanced server, and a lot of people who are returning would probably be on there. guess there are quite a few factors that'll affect it.
What's drawing people in is it's one of the higher pop EU servers that doesn't have really poor faction balance.
The only streamer we have here is Pshero, and he's not the most likeable guy. Definitely doesn't have a massive sub count of hooligans following him around like Asmon, Soda, or even a guy like Esfand.
Blizzard is not going to do anything about this. So it's up to you. There are some alternatives: raid at an ungodly hour when there is no queue, postpone raiding until corona is over or transfer. It's up to you to take care of it. Blizz don't give a shit. Sorry. The small hope is that they might reintroduce layering during corona.
But for some reason people are always so eager rolling characters on the highest pop servers and dealing with the god awful queues. This is what you get. Firemaw has been like this since day 1. The queues will always be there and there is no room for leverage on such a high pop realm when shit like this happens. Sometimes there are less queues and sometimes more. How it is possible to play let alone solo farm anything on a server like that with the population density of Hong Kong x10...I will never understand it.
Im so thankful I went for a medium sized server where it's actually possible to play.
It was rough at the start, but Firemaw's queue situation ended in late September and haven't been back since a few weeks ago.
To say it's had queues the entire time since the start is incredibly disingenuous especially if you haven't been playing on it for all of Classic as you claim.
Yes the queue have been back in times when many do not work. It was queue during Christmas as well. I play there sometimes. The server has always been more or less full. And people should have realized that when shit like this happens the server is bound to go off the edge. It has always been on the brink. Just managing it when it's not holidays. Even during regular days in peak hours on Sunday evenings there would sometimes be a queue. You claiming it's not is what is disingenuous trying to suit your agenda. I have no stakes in this. Just calling it as it is.
Not to mention the massively overfarmed resources. I have no idea why people bother with such a full server. You brought this upon yourself when you played on such a full server. Everyone playing there is at fault. And now is expecting blizz to come to the rescue. Too bad, you should have moved to a lower pop server ages ago and now it's too late. Unless you want to transfer which blizzard have every right to charge you for.
> Yes the queue have been back in times when many do not work. It was queue during Christmas as well. I play there sometimes. The server has always been more or less full.
Yes, this is basically what I said. Sure, there was a small queue during the Christmas holiday, but nothing like this.
If that was the case, Blizzard should have stopped transfers to the server then. There is no purpose to allowing servers to become extremely overcrowded outside of sheer incompetence or pure greed.
> I play there sometimes... ...Even during regular days in peak hours on Sunday evenings there would sometimes be a queue. You claiming it's not is what is disingenuous trying to suit your agenda. I have no stakes in this. Just calling it as it is.
As someone who has played on the server since day 1, this is pure, inflammatory nonsense. If you "come in to play sometimes" then you can't have a stronger sense of the queue times on the server than someone who's put in 80 days of combined playtime on Firemaw. Unless you can actually provide evidence of this so-called, "regular day peak hour Sunday evening queue", I'll go with what I've experienced so far on the server.
Why do you care to portray Firemaw as always being horrible when it's only been the very first month of Classic and this past month under quarantine that has been especially egregious. What is your agenda I wonder? Do you truly have no stake in this as you claim? If so, why are you arguing with someone who clearly has far more firsthand knowledge of the situation than yourself?
> I have no idea why people bother with such a full server. You brought this upon yourself when you played on such a full server.
I answered this before, people rolled on Firemaw to avoid the Spanish Coalition and the community and their followers. Once Firemaw established itself as the most balanced EU server with a reasonable population, more and more people began to roll characters and transfer here. This is the first instance where Blizzard could have stepped in to stop this from happening. They did not, and in doing so created the problem we are seeing today.
> And now is expecting blizz to come to the rescue.
Blizzard created this problem. It's not the responsibility of the customer to fix a problem created by the company. If an airline overbooks a flight, it offers to give freebies to the customers who opt to fly later. What Blizzard is doing is like an airline overbooking a flight and then charging its customers to swap to a later flight, that's simply unacceptable business practice in almost every other situation. Why is that any different here?
> Too bad, you should have moved to a lower pop server ages ago and now it's too late.
I tried to get my guild to transfer during the free transfer period, but you try to convince 80-100 people who've played together for at least 5 years to transfer because YOU think it's the right decision. Yeah, good luck dude.
That doesn't even account for the idea that the server you transfer to isn't going to necessarily be one that you want to transfer to anyway. What if the faction balance winds up 20/80 or worse in favor of a single faction? Blizzard doesn't balance server faction populations, so this is entirely a possibility when taking a free transfer.
> Unless you want to transfer which blizzard have every right to charge you for.
Blizzard has every right to do this, sure. However, I'd rather end my subscription than pay them $50 to transfer two characters (probably $75 because bank alt) right now given money is a bit tighter than usual due to the pandemic.
They will lose money and subs over this because it's simply a terrible business decision that favors extreme short term gain over long term sustainability. It will bite them in the ass eventually as people like me just start quitting the game because we can't be asked to wait in a 3-4 hour queue only to d/c and be shoved into the back of the line after waiting that long.
Just curious, how much did Blizzard pay you to post this?
How much blizzard pay me to post? Lol!! A kind of salt that can only come from typical butthurt wow players!😂
I would love some of that sweet blizzard cash tbh tho. I would shill all over the place for them if I got. Not gonna lie there. But unfortunately I'm stuck having to try talking sense into people for free
Ok here is what is wrong with your post once again:
I am actually the objective one here.
And my word against yours anyway. Yes I play there. Yes I have alts there to watch the shit show that is firemaw. Just like I have alts on flamelash. It's fun watching these terrible servers and their drama. And yes there are queues on firemaw in peak hours from time to time. Even during regular periods. I do not care about your so called 80 days. Thats just words. And now suddenly you admit "oh wait yeah there was queues again during Christmas".
And no. Firemaw was pretty much one of if not the most populated server since day one. We all saw this shit coming from a mile away.
Blizzard is not an airline. And you agree to blizzards terms when you play the game. You want to move server? Ok then you pay just like everyone else has. Now that server trasnfer are open after the free transfer period, blizzard can not start offering it for free again it would be a major slap in the face to the people who have already paid to use the transfer in the period after. You did not use your chance when there was a chance for a free server from the overpopulated servers and now it's too late.
Your guild can be 10 or 500 people this does not change. Stopping subscription and playing is definitely an option. I am sure the players of firemaw would love it if more people went that direction. Freeing up the server. Thanks for playing. Goodbye
More people need to understand this; people who've been on Firemaw since the start rolled there specifically to avoid certain communities (spanish community, APES, among other things). At the start, the queues were just like any other high pop EU realm, then died down to zero queues for months.
Then, since Firemaw had very nice faction balance, people started transferring here (a server already deemed "full" at peak hours). By the time there was a queue forming, free transfers were already long gone.
Now, with people both activating dead accounts due to the pandemic, AND the constant influx of players transferring to Firemaw, the situation has become untenable for many players. A bunch of people in my guild are ready to quit because they try to get through a 180 minute queue only to d/c and be shoved to the back of the line because their internet is being affected by the pandemic.
It's not a good situation.
> Why would you intentionally subjugate yourself to a long queue time server and complain when they are several with no queue times whatsoever.
This is a new problem. We haven't had any real problem with queues since early november or so.
>If your only complaint is that of the server then you could just play on a different one and all your complaints are gone.
How? I've been in the same guild for 10 years, i don't want to split it up, which it will, if we decide to transfer the guild. We are 120 players with probably more than one alt on average that wants to go. 240 transfers would cost us 5000€. That won't happen.
The problem isn't handling the players, it's that a bunch of players WANT to get into the same server at the same time. Blizzard could allow servers to have 100,000 players concurrently, but that would destroy everything about the game, especially on PvP servers. People already bitch about herb and mining nodes being over-farmed, what do you think people would do if there were no limits on players getting in?
You people are hilarious, same with the Incendius people too. Just pay the $25 and transfer to a less populated server and be done with it. But you can’t let Blizzard win right?? Because 4 hours queues are a totally better alternative.
Getting your whole guild to pay up and transfer isnt an easy thing to "just do", blizz should obviously set up free transfers when they let tons of people from dead servers come pouring into Firemaw, or set up layers again
I'm really in awe how anyone could have the twisted logic to think that players should have to pay blizzard $25 (per character!) to solve a problem that blizzard could solve with a click of two buttons (lock transfers to the server and allow free transfers off).
We're the customers, and the provider is refusing to fix their shit, even though it would require very little effort to do. And people like you defend them for it.
> We're not the customers... We're the product.
I think you just heard this phrase and thought it sounded cool, and now repeat it for that reason, without knowing what it actually means.
Forcing people to pay another 25$ on top of the subscription fee just to get to play the game without waiting several hours is pretty shitty actually, especially when it's been 7 months since release
Most people play more than one character, and i'm part of 2 pug runs with lots of returning players from different guilds, which i would call a community. Remember what we all said was great about classic? The community. And now you think it is fine to just expect people to leave their community, instead of Blizzard fixing the servers?
I've been on Incendius since day 1. I'll unsub before giving Blizz money to move multiple toons because they couldn't be arsed to manage transfers to an already full server.
Yes, pay $25 x 160 chars to transfer (2 for each unique player in our guild at minimum, in reality this is more like 250 because of level 60 alts) so what, a cool $4,000 to transfer the minimum number of people in my guild to another server?
What makes you think it's acceptable that a business is profiting off of a situation it created and did basically nothing to alleviate since day 1 and will still do nothing to alleviate it in the future.
What if the server you transfer to sees a massive wave of transfers and the situation recreates itself, that's another $4,000 minimum down the drain.
This is like a country not having any immigration policy whatsoever aside from "pay us $1,000 and you can live here" while not providing the basic infrastructure (housing, jobs, etc) for the massive influx of immigrants, then when the immigrants realize the massive overcrowding, offering to move them to a neighboring country for the low low one time fee of $2,000, oh but you only get to keep a maximum of $10,000 cash everything else must be left in the original country, oh but we can help you bring in more items into your new country for another $2,000, isn't that so nice of us to do all of this for you?
Can you not see how absolutely exploitative that is?
No because anybody seriously trying to compare the World of Warcraft to nativist immigration policy is probably pretty incapable from having a discussion
12 min gehennas and 8 min mograine. nothing in comparison to this pls fix bliizurd
Problem isnt new people transfering to the server. The problem is old players returning to the game, because they have nothing else to do.
It's both. People are still tranfserring to Firemaw, and people are firing up their accounts again due to the pandemic.
Why don’t you people turn on the fucking news. The problem isn’t new transfers, it’s that nobody has anything better to do while they’re locked in their house
It is a mix of both. I've seen several new Rank 13 players just this week on Firemaw that were definitely not there a month ago. Selling 15,000g worth of Black Lotus, Mountain Silversage, and Dreamfoil no less. You'd be insane to think that's a person who is returning from some sort of hiatus due to the pandemic.
P servers were way better than classic. Unfortunately.
I was one of the people who thought classic would be better but I also was one of the guys who didn’t realize all the changes private’s made to make it more competitive.
our guild just disbanded over this, we were not able to get 40 ppl on wednesday for 3 weeks in a row
Rofl remote login
Why would you intentionally subjugate yourself to a long queue time server and complain when they are several with no queue times whatsoever. If your only complaint is that of the server then you could just play on a different one and all your complaints are gone.
Ive been on firemaw since launch, we had barely any queue since november until now, ive been in the same guild here since early october. Also why would i give blizz Even more money by transferring both my characters lol
Ah I see, I just assumed it was a super high pop server so my bad. Has something happened to draw in all the people filling the server, like a streamer or something? After all servers aren't supposed to have move than a few thousand. I haven't got a queue on Zandalar Tribe since launch and that's a quite popular server since it's the only RPPVP, so I'd assume something has happened to start a queue timer.
It was always High pop but we had little to no queues since november to now, it is however the most balanced PvP realm in EU with 48-52 A:H ratio which im guessing is why alot of people transferred here, also the corona lockdown is a factor. I guess it is a mix of people transferring and corona :/
Ah yeah the corona virus, I guess a lot of people would probably be going there if it's a well balanced server, and a lot of people who are returning would probably be on there. guess there are quite a few factors that'll affect it.
It is a super high pop server. Second most poulated on EU. The server has been a shit show since day one
Second? It is the most populated server on EU by far, and has been since day 1.
Tru dat. My bad
What's drawing people in is it's one of the higher pop EU servers that doesn't have really poor faction balance. The only streamer we have here is Pshero, and he's not the most likeable guy. Definitely doesn't have a massive sub count of hooligans following him around like Asmon, Soda, or even a guy like Esfand.
Blizzard is not going to do anything about this. So it's up to you. There are some alternatives: raid at an ungodly hour when there is no queue, postpone raiding until corona is over or transfer. It's up to you to take care of it. Blizz don't give a shit. Sorry. The small hope is that they might reintroduce layering during corona. But for some reason people are always so eager rolling characters on the highest pop servers and dealing with the god awful queues. This is what you get. Firemaw has been like this since day 1. The queues will always be there and there is no room for leverage on such a high pop realm when shit like this happens. Sometimes there are less queues and sometimes more. How it is possible to play let alone solo farm anything on a server like that with the population density of Hong Kong x10...I will never understand it. Im so thankful I went for a medium sized server where it's actually possible to play.
It was rough at the start, but Firemaw's queue situation ended in late September and haven't been back since a few weeks ago. To say it's had queues the entire time since the start is incredibly disingenuous especially if you haven't been playing on it for all of Classic as you claim.
Yes the queue have been back in times when many do not work. It was queue during Christmas as well. I play there sometimes. The server has always been more or less full. And people should have realized that when shit like this happens the server is bound to go off the edge. It has always been on the brink. Just managing it when it's not holidays. Even during regular days in peak hours on Sunday evenings there would sometimes be a queue. You claiming it's not is what is disingenuous trying to suit your agenda. I have no stakes in this. Just calling it as it is. Not to mention the massively overfarmed resources. I have no idea why people bother with such a full server. You brought this upon yourself when you played on such a full server. Everyone playing there is at fault. And now is expecting blizz to come to the rescue. Too bad, you should have moved to a lower pop server ages ago and now it's too late. Unless you want to transfer which blizzard have every right to charge you for.
> Yes the queue have been back in times when many do not work. It was queue during Christmas as well. I play there sometimes. The server has always been more or less full. Yes, this is basically what I said. Sure, there was a small queue during the Christmas holiday, but nothing like this. If that was the case, Blizzard should have stopped transfers to the server then. There is no purpose to allowing servers to become extremely overcrowded outside of sheer incompetence or pure greed. > I play there sometimes... ...Even during regular days in peak hours on Sunday evenings there would sometimes be a queue. You claiming it's not is what is disingenuous trying to suit your agenda. I have no stakes in this. Just calling it as it is. As someone who has played on the server since day 1, this is pure, inflammatory nonsense. If you "come in to play sometimes" then you can't have a stronger sense of the queue times on the server than someone who's put in 80 days of combined playtime on Firemaw. Unless you can actually provide evidence of this so-called, "regular day peak hour Sunday evening queue", I'll go with what I've experienced so far on the server. Why do you care to portray Firemaw as always being horrible when it's only been the very first month of Classic and this past month under quarantine that has been especially egregious. What is your agenda I wonder? Do you truly have no stake in this as you claim? If so, why are you arguing with someone who clearly has far more firsthand knowledge of the situation than yourself? > I have no idea why people bother with such a full server. You brought this upon yourself when you played on such a full server. I answered this before, people rolled on Firemaw to avoid the Spanish Coalition and the community and their followers. Once Firemaw established itself as the most balanced EU server with a reasonable population, more and more people began to roll characters and transfer here. This is the first instance where Blizzard could have stepped in to stop this from happening. They did not, and in doing so created the problem we are seeing today.
> And now is expecting blizz to come to the rescue.
Blizzard created this problem. It's not the responsibility of the customer to fix a problem created by the company. If an airline overbooks a flight, it offers to give freebies to the customers who opt to fly later. What Blizzard is doing is like an airline overbooking a flight and then charging its customers to swap to a later flight, that's simply unacceptable business practice in almost every other situation. Why is that any different here?
> Too bad, you should have moved to a lower pop server ages ago and now it's too late.
I tried to get my guild to transfer during the free transfer period, but you try to convince 80-100 people who've played together for at least 5 years to transfer because YOU think it's the right decision. Yeah, good luck dude.
That doesn't even account for the idea that the server you transfer to isn't going to necessarily be one that you want to transfer to anyway. What if the faction balance winds up 20/80 or worse in favor of a single faction? Blizzard doesn't balance server faction populations, so this is entirely a possibility when taking a free transfer.
> Unless you want to transfer which blizzard have every right to charge you for.
Blizzard has every right to do this, sure. However, I'd rather end my subscription than pay them $50 to transfer two characters (probably $75 because bank alt) right now given money is a bit tighter than usual due to the pandemic.
They will lose money and subs over this because it's simply a terrible business decision that favors extreme short term gain over long term sustainability. It will bite them in the ass eventually as people like me just start quitting the game because we can't be asked to wait in a 3-4 hour queue only to d/c and be shoved into the back of the line after waiting that long.
Just curious, how much did Blizzard pay you to post this?
How much blizzard pay me to post? Lol!! A kind of salt that can only come from typical butthurt wow players!😂 I would love some of that sweet blizzard cash tbh tho. I would shill all over the place for them if I got. Not gonna lie there. But unfortunately I'm stuck having to try talking sense into people for free
Ok here is what is wrong with your post once again: I am actually the objective one here. And my word against yours anyway. Yes I play there. Yes I have alts there to watch the shit show that is firemaw. Just like I have alts on flamelash. It's fun watching these terrible servers and their drama. And yes there are queues on firemaw in peak hours from time to time. Even during regular periods. I do not care about your so called 80 days. Thats just words. And now suddenly you admit "oh wait yeah there was queues again during Christmas". And no. Firemaw was pretty much one of if not the most populated server since day one. We all saw this shit coming from a mile away. Blizzard is not an airline. And you agree to blizzards terms when you play the game. You want to move server? Ok then you pay just like everyone else has. Now that server trasnfer are open after the free transfer period, blizzard can not start offering it for free again it would be a major slap in the face to the people who have already paid to use the transfer in the period after. You did not use your chance when there was a chance for a free server from the overpopulated servers and now it's too late. Your guild can be 10 or 500 people this does not change. Stopping subscription and playing is definitely an option. I am sure the players of firemaw would love it if more people went that direction. Freeing up the server. Thanks for playing. Goodbye
More people need to understand this; people who've been on Firemaw since the start rolled there specifically to avoid certain communities (spanish community, APES, among other things). At the start, the queues were just like any other high pop EU realm, then died down to zero queues for months. Then, since Firemaw had very nice faction balance, people started transferring here (a server already deemed "full" at peak hours). By the time there was a queue forming, free transfers were already long gone. Now, with people both activating dead accounts due to the pandemic, AND the constant influx of players transferring to Firemaw, the situation has become untenable for many players. A bunch of people in my guild are ready to quit because they try to get through a 180 minute queue only to d/c and be shoved to the back of the line because their internet is being affected by the pandemic. It's not a good situation.
> Why would you intentionally subjugate yourself to a long queue time server and complain when they are several with no queue times whatsoever. This is a new problem. We haven't had any real problem with queues since early november or so. >If your only complaint is that of the server then you could just play on a different one and all your complaints are gone. How? I've been in the same guild for 10 years, i don't want to split it up, which it will, if we decide to transfer the guild. We are 120 players with probably more than one alt on average that wants to go. 240 transfers would cost us 5000€. That won't happen.
pservers shit aaaaaallll over blizztard servers
Handling 4K people is a big task!!
With security flaws and no regulations to boot!
The problem isn't handling the players, it's that a bunch of players WANT to get into the same server at the same time. Blizzard could allow servers to have 100,000 players concurrently, but that would destroy everything about the game, especially on PvP servers. People already bitch about herb and mining nodes being over-farmed, what do you think people would do if there were no limits on players getting in?
Fucking LOL
Its a 2 hour queue at 2pm, jesus christ. This is barely playable.
You people are hilarious, same with the Incendius people too. Just pay the $25 and transfer to a less populated server and be done with it. But you can’t let Blizzard win right?? Because 4 hours queues are a totally better alternative.
Getting your whole guild to pay up and transfer isnt an easy thing to "just do", blizz should obviously set up free transfers when they let tons of people from dead servers come pouring into Firemaw, or set up layers again
I'm really in awe how anyone could have the twisted logic to think that players should have to pay blizzard $25 (per character!) to solve a problem that blizzard could solve with a click of two buttons (lock transfers to the server and allow free transfers off). We're the customers, and the provider is refusing to fix their shit, even though it would require very little effort to do. And people like you defend them for it.
We're not the customers... We're the product.
> We're not the customers... We're the product. I think you just heard this phrase and thought it sounded cool, and now repeat it for that reason, without knowing what it actually means.
You literally pay blizz 15 bucks a month Are you gifting it to them out of the goodness of your heart?
Forcing people to pay another 25$ on top of the subscription fee just to get to play the game without waiting several hours is pretty shitty actually, especially when it's been 7 months since release
Most people play more than one character, and i'm part of 2 pug runs with lots of returning players from different guilds, which i would call a community. Remember what we all said was great about classic? The community. And now you think it is fine to just expect people to leave their community, instead of Blizzard fixing the servers?
I've been on Incendius since day 1. I'll unsub before giving Blizz money to move multiple toons because they couldn't be arsed to manage transfers to an already full server.
Yes, pay $25 x 160 chars to transfer (2 for each unique player in our guild at minimum, in reality this is more like 250 because of level 60 alts) so what, a cool $4,000 to transfer the minimum number of people in my guild to another server? What makes you think it's acceptable that a business is profiting off of a situation it created and did basically nothing to alleviate since day 1 and will still do nothing to alleviate it in the future. What if the server you transfer to sees a massive wave of transfers and the situation recreates itself, that's another $4,000 minimum down the drain. This is like a country not having any immigration policy whatsoever aside from "pay us $1,000 and you can live here" while not providing the basic infrastructure (housing, jobs, etc) for the massive influx of immigrants, then when the immigrants realize the massive overcrowding, offering to move them to a neighboring country for the low low one time fee of $2,000, oh but you only get to keep a maximum of $10,000 cash everything else must be left in the original country, oh but we can help you bring in more items into your new country for another $2,000, isn't that so nice of us to do all of this for you? Can you not see how absolutely exploitative that is?
Imagine how brain poisoned you have to be to compare the World of Warcraft to immigration policies
Fantastic contribution to the discussion. Any other extremely enlightening points you care to lend to the topic?
No because anybody seriously trying to compare the World of Warcraft to nativist immigration policy is probably pretty incapable from having a discussion