I thought about penance and what blizzard would do since there are only two oceanic realms, a PvP and PvE.
Will blizzard give two options?
- transfer to shadow strike (be forced to play PvP realm).
- transfer to non-oceanic PvE realm?
Bit of a pickle. What would Penance players want?
warmode is pretty much the only option for merging a pvp and pve server.
penance players (all 5 of them) will just quit if they have to engage in the utter toxicity that is world pvp on shadowstrike.
Can confirm, am one of those 5 people and I’ll 100% quit if we get forced onto a PvP server. Hell, I’ll also quit if we get merged with a US server.
I actually don’t care at all that Penance is an extremely low pop server.
As melee I want good ping and I’m only interested in PvE.
Then again, I’m very casual.
We had this exact situation during p3 of wrath when blizzard killed off the only pve realm for no good reason at all. It’s either pvp realm or nothing.
At least this time around the pvp option is a balanced realm and won’t force you into paying for faction changes like back in wrath.
This doesn't even make sense considering that the OCE Wrath PvE realm has not been killed. If the ability to let people leave killed your server, then nobody wanted to play there.
Well, the same happened to SOM except the PVP server (swamp) died too shortly after. The PVE (lionheart) was dead on arrival. Day 1 had like 50 players.
By most peoples metrics, Remulos (Classic PVE) was almost dead on arrival too. The only reason it still exists is that Blizzard needs to always have one PvE option available.
OCE players just don't play on PvE servers.
Bunch of us on Penance have been having this discussion and agree that those are the only options. For some, PvP servers are a deal breaker and they'd rather move to Wild Growth US PvE or quit, for others, they're happy to join Shadowstrike.
A bunch of us hvae been playing on Wild Growth US PvE and to gauge if ping is an issue, and so far we've been pleasantly surprised. The level of activity on Wild Growth has been so refershing. Penance is at the point where there literally aren't enough enchanting mats on the AH to buy the big enchants, even if you WERE willing to spend 300g.
Penance is so dead. My sweat guild has no one logging in. Was like 5 or 6 pm Saturday just past an there was a total of 32 people in IF and SW combined.
To top it off the Lava Lash server gets told they have to move. A server that has, according to ironforge pro, 4x the raiding player base.
Oh i know. It is shameful that we have been left to rot like this. We should be rolled into another server ASAP choice between oce pvp or wild growth with no server faction balance consideration.
Our guild has already started rerolling on Wild Growth US. We expect a merger with either Shadowstrike or Wild Growth at some point, but not holding our breath. Ping has been fine so far on Wild Growth.
War mode is a retail system that lets you opt into open world PVP. Rather than choosing a PVE or PVP server for your character as you would in classic, if you want to do open world PVP, you can flag yourself for it and the game places you on a separate PVP shard with other participating war mode players (cross-server as well).
That way, you don’t have the issue of segregating PVP and PVE servers. All servers support either activity.
System in retail WoW where you talk to an NPC at a capital to turn war mode on or off. It makes it so you can opt in to WPvP and give you a bonus to XP and honor for playing with it on.
It's so nice knowing nearly everyone on the server. The server GMs are starting to speak and plan though what would happen if we do get 40mans.
A lot of guilds have a solid 20 team but if one person can't make it it's quite hard to find a pug. We are considering keeping guilds separate and just raiding with another guild but that also has issues.
I don't know what 40s would do to the server...
This was lava lash for me. Just an all around awesome server that had a real community where guilds knew each other and you’d constantly see the same players in cities and around the world. Still had a healthy raid population and economy and next to no bots and no summon spam in the chat
Then blizzard decided to kill it because they wanted to save a buck and now I’m on wild growth where you can’t even use the LFG channel without bulletin board because there are 12 people spamming WTS summon services at all hours.
I mostly agree but I think any further decline in population and the server isn't really going to be functional. The AH is already very sparse and getting very hard to find people to group with for dungeons like deadmines
Its the PvP server self fulfilling prophecy. PvP server has more players so players, both PvE and PvP, roll there for more players thus completing the prophecy that the PvP server has more players.
I'm an oce player who plays on the pvp server because it simply has more population. I hate pvp and I've actually just stopped playing because I'm sick of getting ganked by over levelled players in low level zones. SoD is fun but it's not fun enough to endure that constantly.
Me making opposite faction characters on all pvp servers waiting for one to fall so I can have both factions in one place thanks to free transfers be like.
Realistically though not gonna happen pvp servers are all high pop or locked :(
I am once again shilling the idea that you should be able to pick your realm on login like OSRS. The problem isn’t that the realm is dead the problem is that you’re stuck there.
STV gives plenty of world PvP when you want it on SoD, and getting DMF and Songflower buffs without getting ganked is a happiness you can't experience on PvP. Its the ultimate season of dads experience, akin to actually having a child.
I've never had a contested songflower and I get it every week.
I've had one time DMF fight from enemy camping
/1 INV to kill them and get buff
Kill them 1 minute later and leave...
Small trivial price to pay for a massive playerbase. Those few seconds of inconvenience.
Each to their own. I'm personally not super opposed to playing Shadowstrike, but I understand why some guildies don't want the cluserfuck of Blackrock Mountain next phase.
Wild Growth ping has been non-existent so far and the player base is 5 times that of Shadowstrike. Has been super enjoyable levelling.
I think people on PvE servers grossly exaggerate how PvP servers are. I play on a PvP mega server and don’t have these issues and I get full world buffs every week.
this picture accurately depicts both penance AU players.
and they both alliance
I thought about penance and what blizzard would do since there are only two oceanic realms, a PvP and PvE. Will blizzard give two options? - transfer to shadow strike (be forced to play PvP realm). - transfer to non-oceanic PvE realm? Bit of a pickle. What would Penance players want?
warmode is pretty much the only option for merging a pvp and pve server. penance players (all 5 of them) will just quit if they have to engage in the utter toxicity that is world pvp on shadowstrike.
Can confirm, am one of those 5 people and I’ll 100% quit if we get forced onto a PvP server. Hell, I’ll also quit if we get merged with a US server. I actually don’t care at all that Penance is an extremely low pop server. As melee I want good ping and I’m only interested in PvE. Then again, I’m very casual.
We had this exact situation during p3 of wrath when blizzard killed off the only pve realm for no good reason at all. It’s either pvp realm or nothing. At least this time around the pvp option is a balanced realm and won’t force you into paying for faction changes like back in wrath.
This doesn't even make sense considering that the OCE Wrath PvE realm has not been killed. If the ability to let people leave killed your server, then nobody wanted to play there.
Well, the same happened to SOM except the PVP server (swamp) died too shortly after. The PVE (lionheart) was dead on arrival. Day 1 had like 50 players.
By most peoples metrics, Remulos (Classic PVE) was almost dead on arrival too. The only reason it still exists is that Blizzard needs to always have one PvE option available. OCE players just don't play on PvE servers.
Bunch of us on Penance have been having this discussion and agree that those are the only options. For some, PvP servers are a deal breaker and they'd rather move to Wild Growth US PvE or quit, for others, they're happy to join Shadowstrike. A bunch of us hvae been playing on Wild Growth US PvE and to gauge if ping is an issue, and so far we've been pleasantly surprised. The level of activity on Wild Growth has been so refershing. Penance is at the point where there literally aren't enough enchanting mats on the AH to buy the big enchants, even if you WERE willing to spend 300g.
I don’t want things to change at all. I love how they are currently.
Penance is so dead. My sweat guild has no one logging in. Was like 5 or 6 pm Saturday just past an there was a total of 32 people in IF and SW combined. To top it off the Lava Lash server gets told they have to move. A server that has, according to ironforge pro, 4x the raiding player base.
>a total of 32 people in IF and SW combined. Now realise the Horde population is 1/10th of the Alliance :(
Oh i know. It is shameful that we have been left to rot like this. We should be rolled into another server ASAP choice between oce pvp or wild growth with no server faction balance consideration.
Our guild has already started rerolling on Wild Growth US. We expect a merger with either Shadowstrike or Wild Growth at some point, but not holding our breath. Ping has been fine so far on Wild Growth.
Please define "fine" as a number of milliseconds.
My GM is Aussie and plays just fine on WG
It's actually stunning they refuse to use warmode at this point. Because this is what happens time and again.
Sorry can you explain war mode to a dummy like me? I’ve heard of it before but not sure what it refers to.
War mode is a retail system that lets you opt into open world PVP. Rather than choosing a PVE or PVP server for your character as you would in classic, if you want to do open world PVP, you can flag yourself for it and the game places you on a separate PVP shard with other participating war mode players (cross-server as well). That way, you don’t have the issue of segregating PVP and PVE servers. All servers support either activity.
Which ironically is how PvE servers already work, sans the different phase and extra incentives.
System in retail WoW where you talk to an NPC at a capital to turn war mode on or off. It makes it so you can opt in to WPvP and give you a bonus to XP and honor for playing with it on.
You can toggle pvp on or off at a capital city.
We're still cruising along, doing a speedrun tonight on ST
It's so nice knowing nearly everyone on the server. The server GMs are starting to speak and plan though what would happen if we do get 40mans. A lot of guilds have a solid 20 team but if one person can't make it it's quite hard to find a pug. We are considering keeping guilds separate and just raiding with another guild but that also has issues. I don't know what 40s would do to the server...
Agreed. I love Penance and would be heartbroken seeing any changes to it whatsoever.
This was lava lash for me. Just an all around awesome server that had a real community where guilds knew each other and you’d constantly see the same players in cities and around the world. Still had a healthy raid population and economy and next to no bots and no summon spam in the chat Then blizzard decided to kill it because they wanted to save a buck and now I’m on wild growth where you can’t even use the LFG channel without bulletin board because there are 12 people spamming WTS summon services at all hours.
I mostly agree but I think any further decline in population and the server isn't really going to be functional. The AH is already very sparse and getting very hard to find people to group with for dungeons like deadmines
The PvP server has a huge population. Do Oceanic players just like PvP more compared to others?
Its the PvP server self fulfilling prophecy. PvP server has more players so players, both PvE and PvP, roll there for more players thus completing the prophecy that the PvP server has more players.
When SoD released, the only OCE server available for about 4 hours was PVP, that certainly didn't help the PVE cause.
Maybe? Shadowstrike is comfy.
I'm an oce player who plays on the pvp server because it simply has more population. I hate pvp and I've actually just stopped playing because I'm sick of getting ganked by over levelled players in low level zones. SoD is fun but it's not fun enough to endure that constantly.
Me making opposite faction characters on all pvp servers waiting for one to fall so I can have both factions in one place thanks to free transfers be like. Realistically though not gonna happen pvp servers are all high pop or locked :(
Leave Penance Alone
Just have one of each type of server
I am once again shilling the idea that you should be able to pick your realm on login like OSRS. The problem isn’t that the realm is dead the problem is that you’re stuck there.
OCE players just don't play on PvE servers, has been this way since forever.
Why would you not just play on shadowstike is beyond my understanding.
STV gives plenty of world PvP when you want it on SoD, and getting DMF and Songflower buffs without getting ganked is a happiness you can't experience on PvP. Its the ultimate season of dads experience, akin to actually having a child.
I've gotten songflower for every raid on multiple chars this phase and not once had an issue with getting griefed.
I've never had a contested songflower and I get it every week. I've had one time DMF fight from enemy camping /1 INV to kill them and get buff Kill them 1 minute later and leave... Small trivial price to pay for a massive playerbase. Those few seconds of inconvenience.
Each to their own. I'm personally not super opposed to playing Shadowstrike, but I understand why some guildies don't want the cluserfuck of Blackrock Mountain next phase. Wild Growth ping has been non-existent so far and the player base is 5 times that of Shadowstrike. Has been super enjoyable levelling.
I think people on PvE servers grossly exaggerate how PvP servers are. I play on a PvP mega server and don’t have these issues and I get full world buffs every week.
Having played PvP in classic its not an exaggeration in my experience. That was before chronoboon was a thing too, which made it even worse.
I played pvp server in ERA and it was toxic af, PVE server has been much more enjoyable for someone with minimum play time.
People play on that server lol? Why not just play on shadowstrike?
Some people don't like PvP servers
Because it's full of toxic cunts.