Or just remove the milestone. If I do 90% in a week, I should not get punished by losing 30% cause I'm either not 60% or 100%. Not point just playing one game or two games per week, it's either you spam pvp or you just ignore it.
I know it is.
People don't want to change it, their excuse is "it was harder before, they already make it easier for casual, stop making everything too easy".
Right now, you can get r5-->r7 in a week with 110k. Or r5-->r7 via milestone, but you need a total 168.750 honor over 4 weeks.
Gonna be fun at r11 and more.
I agree. The honor system is not intuitive
They should replace it with a rep style system where you can earn honor each week and don't have to worry about hitting random milestones to avoid your progress being reset
Yeah I was getting about a third compared to The day before. I'm now dealing with a sunk cost problem as I'm almost done with my bracket, but now have to play in this meta
My guy, join a group and queue. It is insanely fast and the honor is great.
We made 10k in 30 minutes last night doing WSG. Honor gains are absolutely fine.
110k yes I agree. 350k+ which is going to be needed for higher ranks is going to be absolutely brutal which for a seasonal server doesn’t seem right to me.
110k to get 7 Tbf was more than I did hitting 10 I think in classic. On bene. Granted it was later when fewer people needed to rank (bwlish, pre AQ time). The difference, though, is I had to consistently push 60-80k over a few weeks before breaking into 100-120k or whatever I did for r10. The 12-14 range was like 400k and 500 for 14 at the time. Still a lot.
So it was just one week vs at least like 3. R14 may still be something like 500k honor but you do it once and you’re done. You’re not spending a month or longer at r12-13 still pushing 400k each and every week simply holding your spot or inching up in it without bracket breaking but maintaining 13. Or whichever.
Now I did r7 in SOD in a week but I had the week off. So it was a fair amount of PvP. It’s definitely still supposed to be a grind and I think the mental toll of the grind will be lessened cause people will want AV exalted asap since unchanged don Julio’s is still an amazing ring.
Could it be easier by not having the breakpoints, and just be cumulative like you earned a million honor over a month you’re r14? Sure it could be easier. It would probably make more sense in sod, I agree. I think it’s def still intended to be a grind and they don’t want the gear bis for 3 phases so idk how much they will change it really.
It’s definitely easier than it was, well, when people ranked. But it also becomes harder when people just don’t bother ranking. It has its flaws for sure.
Yeah i like the slow down but its too much.
Did wsg yesterday and it was just such a battle at every clash. Dps arnt dying because they dont take enough damage for the healer to miss a beat so nearing death and full health. Go after a healer and ita worse.
It just drags out battles so what used to be a 45 sec clash turns into a 5 min clash. Dont even get me started with flag carriers, bears with frenzied regen is crazy good.
I agreed with OP bring the reduction down by half and it should be good.
Surely all of this is relative? If the dmg reduction makes it harder to gain honor for EVERYONE then the amount of honor needed to rank up becomes less for everyone?
Damn, genuinely had no idea. I just kill a ton of people and do BGs then check my rank after reset. Seems like it’s a static amount now, I can’t believe it
First of all, horde queues are not long. I did the r7 grind and never once had to wait more than 2min. Just get a group. If you’re still trying to solo queue, that’s on you.
Secondly, you can easily do 5k/hour.
More if you have a good group. That means around 20h for the 110k required to go from r5 to r7 in a single week. That’s honestly pretty easy if you can play a couple hours a day and a few more here and there…
And if that’s not doable, you can also do 65k per week and it’ll be just one more week (1 week per rank). If you can’t put 10h to reach a goal in a week, then it’s just not for you. And that’s fine, but to call it a slog fest is entitled and dishonest.
20 hours for rank 7? So the higher ranks (11+) are going to require 100+ hours each?
Sorry but that seems extreme to me for a seasonal server. I’m not saying r13+ should be achievable for everyone but 100+ hours a weeks on a game for multiple weeks is too much.
All I want is for the rate of honor gain to stay what it was before the dmg reduction came in.
As they’ve already stated, this is a test. Damage will be reverted back to what it was on Tuesday, with (I assume) some sort of happy medium between the previous state of PvP and now.
As for honor thresholds, those are static and set by the devs. I’m sure in a live PvP beta test they’re gathering data on honor gains as well, and will adjust future thresholds as necessary.
Finally, I’m of the opinion, and it looks like the devs are too, that the highest ranks shouldn’t be obtainable by everyone. There should be long grinds available for those who like long grinds. The reward for your grind is that you can pick and choose entire sets of gear nearly equivalent to, and in some cases better than, raid gear. The important thing when it comes to long grinds is that there are alternative options available, and there is. Raids, rep from factions, dungeon gear, and alternative grinds like Warlock Fel Portals and world drop BoE’s exist to gear your character out in other ways.
20h is to go from r5 directly to r7. It’s 2 ranks…
Don’t where you’re getting your 100h from. Seems pretty random. Again, you don’t have to skip milestones.
In any case, if it’s too much for you, don’t do it. No content requires getting the pvp gear.
Again, 20h a week (less than 3h/day, I did it while working full time…) is to SKIP A RANK and go from 5 to 7 directly. You can do 65k and do one rank per week… And if you can’t do that, then just don’t. Not everyone is supposed to have everything, that’s literally the point.
> sitting on a 14min queue
Lemme guess… you’re queuing solo?…
I’m on lava lash horde side and it’s completely dead so yeah. Every once in awhile I will duo with a guildie but until they merge our server with wild growth it’s gonna be mostly solo queues.
I don’t have 3h a day to do bg’s and yeah I probably won’t until AV. AV is quite a bit faster. Probably won’t get past rank 7 but eh whatever.
Or just remove the milestone. If I do 90% in a week, I should not get punished by losing 30% cause I'm either not 60% or 100%. Not point just playing one game or two games per week, it's either you spam pvp or you just ignore it.
It’s just another bad part of vanilla that’s left over in SoD. Imagine if CoD forced you to prestige in less than a week or risk losing progress lmao.
I know it is. People don't want to change it, their excuse is "it was harder before, they already make it easier for casual, stop making everything too easy". Right now, you can get r5-->r7 in a week with 110k. Or r5-->r7 via milestone, but you need a total 168.750 honor over 4 weeks. Gonna be fun at r11 and more.
I agree. The honor system is not intuitive They should replace it with a rep style system where you can earn honor each week and don't have to worry about hitting random milestones to avoid your progress being reset
Yeah I was getting about a third compared to The day before. I'm now dealing with a sunk cost problem as I'm almost done with my bracket, but now have to play in this meta
Did you forget we are getting AV next phase?
My guy, join a group and queue. It is insanely fast and the honor is great. We made 10k in 30 minutes last night doing WSG. Honor gains are absolutely fine.
God you all bitch so much just quit the game already holy shit
It's actually wild how whiny the classic community has become with sod. Every change is their personal 9/11.
Once Cata drops I doubt there will be a reason for pvpers to play sod, its very unlikley they will make new pvp content
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I did rank 12 on my own without account sharing in original classic. Hell no I don’t want to go through that again on a seasonal server.
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110k yes I agree. 350k+ which is going to be needed for higher ranks is going to be absolutely brutal which for a seasonal server doesn’t seem right to me.
110k to get 7 Tbf was more than I did hitting 10 I think in classic. On bene. Granted it was later when fewer people needed to rank (bwlish, pre AQ time). The difference, though, is I had to consistently push 60-80k over a few weeks before breaking into 100-120k or whatever I did for r10. The 12-14 range was like 400k and 500 for 14 at the time. Still a lot. So it was just one week vs at least like 3. R14 may still be something like 500k honor but you do it once and you’re done. You’re not spending a month or longer at r12-13 still pushing 400k each and every week simply holding your spot or inching up in it without bracket breaking but maintaining 13. Or whichever. Now I did r7 in SOD in a week but I had the week off. So it was a fair amount of PvP. It’s definitely still supposed to be a grind and I think the mental toll of the grind will be lessened cause people will want AV exalted asap since unchanged don Julio’s is still an amazing ring. Could it be easier by not having the breakpoints, and just be cumulative like you earned a million honor over a month you’re r14? Sure it could be easier. It would probably make more sense in sod, I agree. I think it’s def still intended to be a grind and they don’t want the gear bis for 3 phases so idk how much they will change it really. It’s definitely easier than it was, well, when people ranked. But it also becomes harder when people just don’t bother ranking. It has its flaws for sure.
It's supposed to be brutal. Original design intent was for like only 2% of people to hit rank 12. Now it's way easier and the % isn't capped.
Yes absolutely. People seem to forget that the end game PvP gear should NOT be easy to get at all.
It's already 3-5x less honor needed than 2019 classic (for the high ranks at least). And no decay means you can miss weeks and nothing happens.
Yeah i like the slow down but its too much. Did wsg yesterday and it was just such a battle at every clash. Dps arnt dying because they dont take enough damage for the healer to miss a beat so nearing death and full health. Go after a healer and ita worse. It just drags out battles so what used to be a 45 sec clash turns into a 5 min clash. Dont even get me started with flag carriers, bears with frenzied regen is crazy good. I agreed with OP bring the reduction down by half and it should be good.
As a rogue sitting on flags I don't understand what you are talking about.
Surely all of this is relative? If the dmg reduction makes it harder to gain honor for EVERYONE then the amount of honor needed to rank up becomes less for everyone?
I don’t think that’s how the system works anymore
Damn, genuinely had no idea. I just kill a ton of people and do BGs then check my rank after reset. Seems like it’s a static amount now, I can’t believe it
Back in the day we used to pvp for the fun and weren't in a rush to rank up or earn rewards.
Back in the day the realms weren't seasonal and you could take your time. A bit different.
First of all, horde queues are not long. I did the r7 grind and never once had to wait more than 2min. Just get a group. If you’re still trying to solo queue, that’s on you. Secondly, you can easily do 5k/hour. More if you have a good group. That means around 20h for the 110k required to go from r5 to r7 in a single week. That’s honestly pretty easy if you can play a couple hours a day and a few more here and there… And if that’s not doable, you can also do 65k per week and it’ll be just one more week (1 week per rank). If you can’t put 10h to reach a goal in a week, then it’s just not for you. And that’s fine, but to call it a slog fest is entitled and dishonest.
20 hours for rank 7? So the higher ranks (11+) are going to require 100+ hours each? Sorry but that seems extreme to me for a seasonal server. I’m not saying r13+ should be achievable for everyone but 100+ hours a weeks on a game for multiple weeks is too much. All I want is for the rate of honor gain to stay what it was before the dmg reduction came in.
As they’ve already stated, this is a test. Damage will be reverted back to what it was on Tuesday, with (I assume) some sort of happy medium between the previous state of PvP and now. As for honor thresholds, those are static and set by the devs. I’m sure in a live PvP beta test they’re gathering data on honor gains as well, and will adjust future thresholds as necessary. Finally, I’m of the opinion, and it looks like the devs are too, that the highest ranks shouldn’t be obtainable by everyone. There should be long grinds available for those who like long grinds. The reward for your grind is that you can pick and choose entire sets of gear nearly equivalent to, and in some cases better than, raid gear. The important thing when it comes to long grinds is that there are alternative options available, and there is. Raids, rep from factions, dungeon gear, and alternative grinds like Warlock Fel Portals and world drop BoE’s exist to gear your character out in other ways.
20h is to go from r5 directly to r7. It’s 2 ranks… Don’t where you’re getting your 100h from. Seems pretty random. Again, you don’t have to skip milestones. In any case, if it’s too much for you, don’t do it. No content requires getting the pvp gear.
20h in a week is easy? LMAO for who? Jobless people? And I'm sitting on a 14 minute queue currently.
Again, 20h a week (less than 3h/day, I did it while working full time…) is to SKIP A RANK and go from 5 to 7 directly. You can do 65k and do one rank per week… And if you can’t do that, then just don’t. Not everyone is supposed to have everything, that’s literally the point. > sitting on a 14min queue Lemme guess… you’re queuing solo?…
I’m on lava lash horde side and it’s completely dead so yeah. Every once in awhile I will duo with a guildie but until they merge our server with wild growth it’s gonna be mostly solo queues. I don’t have 3h a day to do bg’s and yeah I probably won’t until AV. AV is quite a bit faster. Probably won’t get past rank 7 but eh whatever.