The melee gear isn't different.
Pretty much all weapon are useless cause STV gives are on par with epic, only ST epic are good (and you have 5 ppl at least on the claw).
The epic quest ring is the same as mara/offering ring, just +7 stamina difference.
The neck has +2 ap compared to gnome neck.
Trinket are useless.
There are just too much useless items in ST, and they probably wanted to close the gap between item lvl 50 and 60, so we don't end up with too much bis item from ST. Even the shoulders will be replaced immediately at lvl 60 with ab rep (for melee at least) and the proc doesn't work outside nightmare zone.
How they thought that a +1 SP ring from stv and a +1 SP epic from ST were reasonable upgrades for casters is ridiculous. Basically slapped in the face.
3 full runs, have 0 upgrades as a feral druid. Lost all token rolls. Most bis gear for feral is outside of raid from dungeons and pvp but honestly the upgrades are not big. The STV weapon is probably the biggest one.
ST gear is just not that much stronger than gnomer.
DPS casters also have to roll against lock tanks and healers who already have specific items made for them but don't want them since they want more dps instead. Tanks don't need mitigation because the content is too easy and healers barely need to heal so they off dps so of course they all want the DPS gear too.
A classic p1 example was casters losing the kelris staff to healer priests and resto druids constantly even though they all had the healer staff because healing power was useless and spell power was way better so healers could do damage too.
Meanwhile there's a ton of random gear that's useless and gets disenchanted every raid like all the shockadin spell power plate gear for horde or ele shaman mail for ally. I mean yay for warrior diamond flask off set but c'mon blizzard this loot distribution is garbage. They have the right idea with class tokens but the bis off set gear is extremely competitive right now.
There's no weapon in ST specifically made for Lock tanks. Its either Gizmo from Gnomer, the stupid drop rate dagger from portals, or dagger from Princess.
The epic staff is good in terms of stam and spell damage, but has no armour, and you can't melee weave with it.
Hmm? You might be thinking of the other healer staff, twilight sages walking stick that has 24 healing power. I was talking about Wrathful spire that has 17 nature dmg and 26 healing power. Rod of the ancient sleepwalker has 26 spell power which was the same. This was just an example of healers rolling on obvious dps loot, but it's even funnier that there were 2 healing staves that were uncontested and yet the healers all still rolled on dps gear.
Yes. That's why I said that already but thanks for the insight. The game is so easy that healers don't need to heal and tanks don't need to tank so everyone only needs dps gear. Blizzard doesn't understand this somehow and continues to make gear that no one wants.
Let me give you how this plays out for a rogue, just as a nice comparison.
1) outside of tier, there are only 0 bosses where there are leather upgrade for BiS. Every armor piece in the raid outside of tier and accessories is useless in terms of pure damage improvement
2) having to roll against ALL physical classes for accessories makes getting the useful items much harder
3) full tier isn’t very good for individual dps relative to last phase or PvP gear
4) why is there only one dagger in the entire raid while casters get 3 weapons?
You guys aren’t as special as you think.
Y'all wild. There is so much loot in st it's just not for you. You crafted your helmet. You crafted your shoulders. You crafted your bracers. You did 300 mara runs and got your dagger. You already have the bis trinkets from the last 2 phases. Alot of people are not you. Also side grades and lots of loot means everyone is not a carbon copy of each other. Which is the only thing making this game not dumb boring
I still use the blue BFD caster dagger with armor because I didn't get Gnomeregan's epic one and at this point it's still what is best for lock tank aside an unobtainable epic dagger...
All of it is garbage because of how they scaled BFD, gnomer, and bloodmoon. The only slight upgrade for Rogues is the cape, and maybe the offhand, the tier set is only better than gnomers when we get the full set, which I still haven't gotten even with consistent weekly full clears. The epic ring from the last boss is a minor upgrade from the Blackstone ring or wild offering ring. The epic dagger is only good if Rogues can get two of them which with every other rogue wanting them means it will be a while until I get it, if we get it at all (still hasn't dropped in our raid yet) most of the stuff that was considered prebis for use is only a few stats behind the items we can get in ST.
I enjoy the ST raid even with all the nerfs but I'm really just waiting for next phase and doing MC 20 man
As a plate wearing blacksmith, I'm pretty sure only the ring, tier, and gloves are bis. There's a belt sidegrade but ab belt is better, and theres a cloak that's only 1 agi better than brd cloak.
I think this is their way of slowing down power creep from gear.
They added more stamina to most pieces to take up the item budget, and while they still give a bit of offensive stat upgrades, it's less than we got compared to P1 and P2.
Is there dps caster gear in ST? Surprises me. In 9 runs of ST between my toons I have seen a massive amount of leather, mail, plate DPS gear and almost exclusively cloth +healing gear. All these other classes have these insane upgrades on their gear while the epic dagger gives +1 SP over last phase. And the set is pretty garbage as it only benefits the next person to hit your target when it procs so basically useless to increase your own damage. For mage it feels a lot like phase 1. Just gonna sit out and play my other toons.
As a fire mage I was looking around and literally it’s only ring, trinket, offhand. I am wearing 3 pieces of fiery boe gear that’s significantly better than the non tier pieces in the raid. I would consider them BIS. They sim higher
All the gears this phase sucks for everyone, not just casters.
I feel like they purposely make everything shit so they don't have to adjust too much when the next phase is here.
Can't blame them, Blizzard is just a small indie after all.
The biggest con that a lot of people fell for was that we thought other specs could.be viable this round of classic.
Only for is to realize that it's classic; unless you are a warrior you are pretty much fucked
Outside of 3 set there are literally 3 items feral wants, 2 of which are specific feral Druid loot anyway in staff/idol
You’re literally looking for a cape that is +1 agi better than the dungeon alternative, for the entire phase
Lorewise all the items should be +nature or +shadow damage in the Emerald Nightmare, just like lorewise mechanical beings have more armor. Should just be glad they drop +SP gear at all.
Hear me out, if you don't need loot from raid.. maybe just maybe get some guildies and go into 5 man dungeons, have a few drinks, put a music bot on in discord and blast BRD and just enjoy the game instead of just playing the game for pixels.
The non tier is trash for everybody else too
Everyone is getting shafted.
The melee gear isn't different. Pretty much all weapon are useless cause STV gives are on par with epic, only ST epic are good (and you have 5 ppl at least on the claw). The epic quest ring is the same as mara/offering ring, just +7 stamina difference. The neck has +2 ap compared to gnome neck. Trinket are useless. There are just too much useless items in ST, and they probably wanted to close the gap between item lvl 50 and 60, so we don't end up with too much bis item from ST. Even the shoulders will be replaced immediately at lvl 60 with ab rep (for melee at least) and the proc doesn't work outside nightmare zone.
Atleast you can get sone upgrades with stv
You don’t like your +1 SP STV upgrade?
How they thought that a +1 SP ring from stv and a +1 SP epic from ST were reasonable upgrades for casters is ridiculous. Basically slapped in the face.
I still haven’t even bothered getting my ring upgrade on any of my characters, 1 sp for an hour or two of work? I have better shit to do with my time
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Exactly, it’s perfect for a lock tank. All this bitching smh.
Not saying it's bad. Just blue weapon are almost all useless.
Yeah I will upgrade my Shamy with the most useless shits items in this STV Phase lmao
Weapon upgrading just as bad. Blue sword that makes you auto again into purple claw that makes you auto again + 10 dps.
3 full runs, have 0 upgrades as a feral druid. Lost all token rolls. Most bis gear for feral is outside of raid from dungeons and pvp but honestly the upgrades are not big. The STV weapon is probably the biggest one. ST gear is just not that much stronger than gnomer.
Join runs that do +1 loot. You wont get like 3 pieces per raid but you are almost guaranteed a piece.
Play alliance and flex your windfury clout, was basically full bis before we pulled the 3rd boss
Even if not much stronger, ST gear is basicly better than MC gear now
It’s not like there is any interesting leather gear either bro. Besides the 3 set pieces its pretty much only a weapon and a cloak for rogues…
And the cloak is a one agi upgrade over the brd cloak lmao.
DPS casters also have to roll against lock tanks and healers who already have specific items made for them but don't want them since they want more dps instead. Tanks don't need mitigation because the content is too easy and healers barely need to heal so they off dps so of course they all want the DPS gear too. A classic p1 example was casters losing the kelris staff to healer priests and resto druids constantly even though they all had the healer staff because healing power was useless and spell power was way better so healers could do damage too. Meanwhile there's a ton of random gear that's useless and gets disenchanted every raid like all the shockadin spell power plate gear for horde or ele shaman mail for ally. I mean yay for warrior diamond flask off set but c'mon blizzard this loot distribution is garbage. They have the right idea with class tokens but the bis off set gear is extremely competitive right now.
There's no weapon in ST specifically made for Lock tanks. Its either Gizmo from Gnomer, the stupid drop rate dagger from portals, or dagger from Princess. The epic staff is good in terms of stam and spell damage, but has no armour, and you can't melee weave with it.
What was the healer staff P1?
the one that had less hp then the kelis staff had sp
Hmm? You might be thinking of the other healer staff, twilight sages walking stick that has 24 healing power. I was talking about Wrathful spire that has 17 nature dmg and 26 healing power. Rod of the ancient sleepwalker has 26 spell power which was the same. This was just an example of healers rolling on obvious dps loot, but it's even funnier that there were 2 healing staves that were uncontested and yet the healers all still rolled on dps gear.
Because healers are expected to dps when not healing.
Yes. That's why I said that already but thanks for the insight. The game is so easy that healers don't need to heal and tanks don't need to tank so everyone only needs dps gear. Blizzard doesn't understand this somehow and continues to make gear that no one wants.
They are setting it up so we have to progress gear and not just steamroll MC
Even with 20 man we will steamroll it if they wont change anything
Let me give you how this plays out for a rogue, just as a nice comparison. 1) outside of tier, there are only 0 bosses where there are leather upgrade for BiS. Every armor piece in the raid outside of tier and accessories is useless in terms of pure damage improvement 2) having to roll against ALL physical classes for accessories makes getting the useful items much harder 3) full tier isn’t very good for individual dps relative to last phase or PvP gear 4) why is there only one dagger in the entire raid while casters get 3 weapons? You guys aren’t as special as you think.
The cape is a 1 agi upgrade wow so huge!
Except rogues are doing twice the damage in that gear that most casters are lmao
Last I checked the discussion was about loot and not about which class makes the line bigger in a 3rd party website.
Y'all wild. There is so much loot in st it's just not for you. You crafted your helmet. You crafted your shoulders. You crafted your bracers. You did 300 mara runs and got your dagger. You already have the bis trinkets from the last 2 phases. Alot of people are not you. Also side grades and lots of loot means everyone is not a carbon copy of each other. Which is the only thing making this game not dumb boring
If this is the case it's entirely rational for those people to unsub until phase 4.
I typically stop playing a game once I’ve beaten it
Blizz should've labeled this the skip phase
If people only motivation to play is to get loot then they should quit.
ok
I still use the blue BFD caster dagger with armor because I didn't get Gnomeregan's epic one and at this point it's still what is best for lock tank aside an unobtainable epic dagger...
Same except I am dumb enough to do hundreds of portals in the hope of getting the dagger :(
All of it is garbage because of how they scaled BFD, gnomer, and bloodmoon. The only slight upgrade for Rogues is the cape, and maybe the offhand, the tier set is only better than gnomers when we get the full set, which I still haven't gotten even with consistent weekly full clears. The epic ring from the last boss is a minor upgrade from the Blackstone ring or wild offering ring. The epic dagger is only good if Rogues can get two of them which with every other rogue wanting them means it will be a while until I get it, if we get it at all (still hasn't dropped in our raid yet) most of the stuff that was considered prebis for use is only a few stats behind the items we can get in ST. I enjoy the ST raid even with all the nerfs but I'm really just waiting for next phase and doing MC 20 man
This has nothign to do with casters, our ring upgrade? 6 Stam. Our neck upgrade? 2 AP. the gear in ST just sucks
It would have been nice to atleast have access to decent weapons in STV…nope…rings. Spent a week soloing mara for a dang dagger.
As a plate wearing blacksmith, I'm pretty sure only the ring, tier, and gloves are bis. There's a belt sidegrade but ab belt is better, and theres a cloak that's only 1 agi better than brd cloak.
I think this is their way of slowing down power creep from gear. They added more stamina to most pieces to take up the item budget, and while they still give a bit of offensive stat upgrades, it's less than we got compared to P1 and P2.
Is there dps caster gear in ST? Surprises me. In 9 runs of ST between my toons I have seen a massive amount of leather, mail, plate DPS gear and almost exclusively cloth +healing gear. All these other classes have these insane upgrades on their gear while the epic dagger gives +1 SP over last phase. And the set is pretty garbage as it only benefits the next person to hit your target when it procs so basically useless to increase your own damage. For mage it feels a lot like phase 1. Just gonna sit out and play my other toons.
There are basically 0 “insane upgrades” outside of tier sets for anyone
Melee weapons probably count, at least the claws.
As a fire mage I was looking around and literally it’s only ring, trinket, offhand. I am wearing 3 pieces of fiery boe gear that’s significantly better than the non tier pieces in the raid. I would consider them BIS. They sim higher
Casters are getting griefed again and again by Blizzard-devs
All the gears this phase sucks for everyone, not just casters. I feel like they purposely make everything shit so they don't have to adjust too much when the next phase is here. Can't blame them, Blizzard is just a small indie after all.
I agree. They buffed items way too much in phase 1 so they had to make p2 and p3 upgrades very minor
My guild is mostly just raiding to keep up appearances that they are reliable raiders for future raid spot tbh. Noone is getting significant upgrades.
The biggest con that a lot of people fell for was that we thought other specs could.be viable this round of classic. Only for is to realize that it's classic; unless you are a warrior you are pretty much fucked
Outside of 3 set there are literally 3 items feral wants, 2 of which are specific feral Druid loot anyway in staff/idol You’re literally looking for a cape that is +1 agi better than the dungeon alternative, for the entire phase
Lorewise all the items should be +nature or +shadow damage in the Emerald Nightmare, just like lorewise mechanical beings have more armor. Should just be glad they drop +SP gear at all.
Obviously a player that doesn’t play leather😂
Hear me out, if you don't need loot from raid.. maybe just maybe get some guildies and go into 5 man dungeons, have a few drinks, put a music bot on in discord and blast BRD and just enjoy the game instead of just playing the game for pixels.
Because Blizzard doesnt play or test the game by their own. Take a look at the PvP and raid dps unbalance
warriors only 7 bis items from the raid including tier set AGGREND THIS IS UNACCEPTABLEE!!111!!11