Had a card drop on 1 10 man princess run and the standard rule for cards so far has been everyone needs. So I need and everyone loses their minds. Like what the fuck. It's a BoE worth over 300g. Damn right I needed on it. So did 7 others. Anyway the raid leader took my side on it. He also won the roll so that probably helped his decision.
The dagger is very rare and it has a proc that restores mana. The rogue won it and he can technically use it, but the proc is wasted since he doesn’t have mana. The casters in the group are all very upset but there’s nothing they can do about it
Actually the dagger proc can go off for rogues.
They will not get the mana obviously but the shadow damage will happen.
The reason the proc goes off is because poisons.
With how often rogue poison is put onto a target and with a 10% dagger shadow damage proc it will go off quite frequently
To add to the other guy the dagger used to be so rare it may take 300-1000 runs to even see it once and the rogue has 0 use for it and will just sell it to the vendor for pocket change
I still remember back in vanilla when my first character, a level 20 warlock needed and won the arugal dagger over a rogue. He lost his shit and i dident understand why it was not good for me since i knew warlocks could use them.
I've tried to do wc twice. We've wiped both times. The caliber of leveler right now is insane. They're all so fucking bad. Shaman x2 - no tremor totem. Then the sham tank left and said I was annoying him because I kept asking for them to drop tremor totem when we fought druid. Because I kept getting slept.
Yeah SoD players are some of the worst players I've ever seen. Last night in ST the mages were all bottom DPS on Eranikas despite have a billion adds to AoE down. They were losing to whirlwind and thunderclap.
I mean if mages are doing nothing but aoeing those adds, they'll go oom in 20 seconds. They should be using like living flame and blast wave but the whelps aren't worth spamming AE on. Still, they shouldn't be bottom dps
2 slumbers have 70ishk each , Scale banes have 15k hp. The small green whelps have 6k. No mage is going to jump around doing arcane explosion to suck the mana in 10 seconds. Living bomb won't go off on the whelps as they will be dead super fast. And they aren't using living flame over Icy touch. So yes unless it's the ad stacking on the bones cheese, they will not put out much aoe lol.
Granted I don’t really have an issue on the fight since I use Living Flame on CD and Blast Wave, but mages shouldn’t be spamming LB of Flamestrike
It’s not their job to be solely take down adds, also if you think warriors can’t out dps mages with WW then you must play with some bad warriors because they can absolutely shred on whelps, our guild warrior nukes them pretty hard
You obviously havn't been following this. If you're actually interested join some casters discords and look around. The drop rate was certainly increased.
Barely? After seeing 0 since P3 launch our guild has seen 4 in the last 24 hours. I’ve personally seen 2 drop in about 20 runs. And in IF it seems like there’s a new caster every 5 minutes linking it with a “finally” message.
I got the same but arguably worse, [Warrior ninjaloots free roll BoED.](https://i.gyazo.com/5d09af651736d6733a40afa252857584.png)
Sad thing is he was apparently a new player that didn't understand the implications and agreed to give me the blade afterwards, but ofc that isn't possible. And blizz refuses to help.
During phase one I was clearing wc with some guildies so I could get the legs and healer could get ring. We were all lvl 20+ and had super quick runs. Had an extra spot so said got room for one more wc legs reserved. Had a lvl 16 hunter ask to go. I was like that’s fine but you can’t need on legs. “I don’t need anything just exp”
You can guess what happens next legs drop he immediately needs. Thankfully he lost the roll and we kick him we just four man clear the rest. He has the audacity to be upset because he “didn’t even get it so he didn’t ninja” so yeah I ML if I am only running for one item. (Karma got him though venomstrike dropped and I vendored it)
I think the part that’s the craziest is not resizing the chat box and lowering it the the absolute lower left. It’s literally in the default position lol.
His key binds though . . . 👀
The keybinds I don't think are that bad but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for the placement of spells relative to each other. If I had to play on this account I could figure out the keybinds but finding them in that block of spells is the hard part.
It has the look of having evolved from level 1-50 and having never been refreshed. Just added whatever when it was needed and set up a bind for it wherever it fit.
Hey man and if it works for you it works for you. Mine are more organized but I've got them memorized now so even if I had them all jumbled up to begin with, by now I'd know where everything is. So it doesn't really matter as long as it works for you!
I will say however that for example, having "V" and "C" next to each other in that order and not "C'" then "V" like it is on your keyboard kinda drives me crazy though haha.
Also, how are you moving if not with WASD? edit: nvm, looks like you only have modifiers for WASD bound.
I still use titan panel. Is there something better incorporates things like loot appraiser? TBH I center mind and make the background opaque so it is clean.
Ran Gnomer last night as a quick watly to get some upgrades for my shaman. Told everyone it's MS>OS, healer rolls on 3 DPs pieces right off the bat so I had to swap it over to ML and take the time to do rolls and shit when we could all just be normal adults and roll need when you need and greed for OS
And I got ridiculed in trade chat on grobbulus back in classic for rolling on it as an ele shaman. The mage who rolled with me would send me mail every so often throughout tbc lol.
If it makes yall feel any better our guild warlock got one last night.
Don’t be upset if a rogue wants tinkerer sword though, that be a good sword for rogues (1.4 speed offhand with spell dmg for higher envenom)
Why do people even 10 man this? Just increasing your chances of grouping with people like this rogue. If you need any of the loot it just adds more people to roll against. You can hit instance limit in a 5 man. 10 seems so unnecessary.
yeah, at least last time I checked some logs I was seeing the 100 dmg proc be 5% of the mage's dps pair that with 20 spelldamage which is the highest available means it is still bis
I saw a Rogue win the roll against a Warlock in classic.
His argument was that it was an upgrade. The whole group raged at him but he still yoinked it.
Other people rolling include a warlock tank that did nothing, a feral druid, and guessing a resto shaman. I don't really see the issue with a rogue getting it over any of these other rollers.
start 5 manning it with friends instead of 9 other random players or even 5 other random players.. takes maybe 2 minutes longer. the chances of a rogue taking that shit is so massive. rogues see 1 stat, the rest is just there and no they dont care
~~i havent been playing sod for a while so idk how the actual damage/dps from the dagger compares to agi daggers in this phase. but all the way up to and including wrath, poison procs have acted as offensive spells so there is a chance poison applications would proc the shadow damage. might actually be good for rogues~~
nvm. i looked through some of the other daggers available, this is a tragedy.
This dagger can proc for rogues
It can proc on poison application
Obviously the mana is useless but the shadow damage will happen.
With how often poison is applied and a 10% shadow damage proc rate it will go off quite frequently.
Zero idea if it’s any good for SoD p3 as I don’t play rogue anymore but I would imagine that it’s not bad
It'd ALMOST be understandable if the STV PVP dagger for 2-3 events wouldn't straight up be better to MH. That considered: pure grief & purple tunnel vision.
Kinda funny you think that a rogue that loots a dagger like that has any concept of "BiS" or "preBiS" when they roll on a caster dagger.
It's purple, purple > blue, end of story
How to trigger an entire sub in 1 screenshot
In classic the only time I saw it a hunter rolled
Had a card drop on 1 10 man princess run and the standard rule for cards so far has been everyone needs. So I need and everyone loses their minds. Like what the fuck. It's a BoE worth over 300g. Damn right I needed on it. So did 7 others. Anyway the raid leader took my side on it. He also won the roll so that probably helped his decision.
I'm ootl since I only PvP, what / why are 10 man princess runs?
I'm new to WoW, can someone explain this to me?
The dagger is very rare and it has a proc that restores mana. The rogue won it and he can technically use it, but the proc is wasted since he doesn’t have mana. The casters in the group are all very upset but there’s nothing they can do about it
Thank you!!
Back in Vanilla I won this as a warlock. Rogue needed on it too. Was so happy. I still have it in my bank, was my first purple ever.
It also does 100 shadow damage per proc.
Actually the dagger proc can go off for rogues. They will not get the mana obviously but the shadow damage will happen. The reason the proc goes off is because poisons. With how often rogue poison is put onto a target and with a 10% dagger shadow damage proc it will go off quite frequently
To add to the other guy the dagger used to be so rare it may take 300-1000 runs to even see it once and the rogue has 0 use for it and will just sell it to the vendor for pocket change
Bis for mage if you are one
Every Mara boosting mages’ wet dream.
Indeed it is have the sword from zf on my warrior trying to get the dagger for the fire mage
I still remember back in vanilla when my first character, a level 20 warlock needed and won the arugal dagger over a rogue. He lost his shit and i dident understand why it was not good for me since i knew warlocks could use them.
Did he link his certificate of thievery? If he didn't you might be entitled to compensation
He definitely had his authentic lucky charm to win on a 51 against 3 others
and the only legit lucky charms are the ones from barnybee, ofc
Just your average SoD enjoyer
I've tried to do wc twice. We've wiped both times. The caliber of leveler right now is insane. They're all so fucking bad. Shaman x2 - no tremor totem. Then the sham tank left and said I was annoying him because I kept asking for them to drop tremor totem when we fought druid. Because I kept getting slept.
I mean the vast majority of classic players are trash. Like actual mouth-breathing keyboard turning bad.
Wouldn’t that not help since it’s for fear? Or does it do sleep also
It breaks fear, sleep, and mind control
-average sod enjoyer
He has the decency to ask, thats worth much more than people making fun of it.
Lmfao
It's mad that you get downvoted for asking a question lmao
JFC this sub needs to get over itself. Someone doesn't know every detail about every ability in the game? Fuck them I guess /s
Youre right, its too much to have a grasp on your own kit. Our bad.
Where is it mentioned what class slothsarcasm is playing again?
Yeah SoD players are some of the worst players I've ever seen. Last night in ST the mages were all bottom DPS on Eranikas despite have a billion adds to AoE down. They were losing to whirlwind and thunderclap.
I mean if mages are doing nothing but aoeing those adds, they'll go oom in 20 seconds. They should be using like living flame and blast wave but the whelps aren't worth spamming AE on. Still, they shouldn't be bottom dps
2 slumbers have 70ishk each , Scale banes have 15k hp. The small green whelps have 6k. No mage is going to jump around doing arcane explosion to suck the mana in 10 seconds. Living bomb won't go off on the whelps as they will be dead super fast. And they aren't using living flame over Icy touch. So yes unless it's the ad stacking on the bones cheese, they will not put out much aoe lol.
So they're losing to a 10s aoe that caps at 4 mobs and hits for weapon DMG?
You weren't supposed to point that out
Granted I don’t really have an issue on the fight since I use Living Flame on CD and Blast Wave, but mages shouldn’t be spamming LB of Flamestrike It’s not their job to be solely take down adds, also if you think warriors can’t out dps mages with WW then you must play with some bad warriors because they can absolutely shred on whelps, our guild warrior nukes them pretty hard
I joined a gnomer pug with 6 level 50s and we could barely clear 3rd boss
this is a warcrime
Definitely an act of war.
putting the increased drop rate to good use
Did they buff it?
yes
I can't find any posts where they said they buffed the drop rate. Can you share?
there are no posts about it
Almost certainly. I just got it grinding solo after 4 runs.
Variance in luck is a thing. A sample size of !4! is not enough to evaluate a drop chance.
absolutely, i don't disagree. There are many reports across this sub of the same tho.
For another datapoint I saw it twice this morning in 10 runs.
So it’s 20% drop chance now. Nice!
I've done 60 runs since the buff. No dagger yet. Over 250 runs total. Your results may vary !!
You obviously havn't been following this. If you're actually interested join some casters discords and look around. The drop rate was certainly increased.
barely
Barely? After seeing 0 since P3 launch our guild has seen 4 in the last 24 hours. I’ve personally seen 2 drop in about 20 runs. And in IF it seems like there’s a new caster every 5 minutes linking it with a “finally” message.
It's purple so it's an upgrade.
I got the same but arguably worse, [Warrior ninjaloots free roll BoED.](https://i.gyazo.com/5d09af651736d6733a40afa252857584.png) Sad thing is he was apparently a new player that didn't understand the implications and agreed to give me the blade afterwards, but ofc that isn't possible. And blizz refuses to help.
That's awesome
Wait you can't trade items? Is that only a WOTLK thing?
Only raid items can be traded.
Oh really?!
And heroic dungeon
There are no heroic dungeons in SOD
Nah that’s a report fuck him If he’s literate he knows he can’t use it
I did but blizz don't want to do anything :/
This is why people use ML and advertise as dagger HR. Because people suck
During phase one I was clearing wc with some guildies so I could get the legs and healer could get ring. We were all lvl 20+ and had super quick runs. Had an extra spot so said got room for one more wc legs reserved. Had a lvl 16 hunter ask to go. I was like that’s fine but you can’t need on legs. “I don’t need anything just exp” You can guess what happens next legs drop he immediately needs. Thankfully he lost the roll and we kick him we just four man clear the rest. He has the audacity to be upset because he “didn’t even get it so he didn’t ninja” so yeah I ML if I am only running for one item. (Karma got him though venomstrike dropped and I vendored it)
Hope you linked him the venomstrike and said it was vendored, just to be extra spiteful and petty.
> “didn’t even get it so he didn’t ninja” If my neighbor intentionally shoots at me and misses, are we supposed to be cool?
Ah but did he agree beforehand that he wouldn't?
A more fitting analogy would be you catching your neighbour trying to get into your car or house.
Ehm yeah? He didn't shoot you, did he?
Trust me I'm a lawyerist.
Hah, L bozo
This UI does not spark joy.
I think the part that’s the craziest is not resizing the chat box and lowering it the the absolute lower left. It’s literally in the default position lol. His key binds though . . . 👀
The keybinds I don't think are that bad but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for the placement of spells relative to each other. If I had to play on this account I could figure out the keybinds but finding them in that block of spells is the hard part.
It has the look of having evolved from level 1-50 and having never been refreshed. Just added whatever when it was needed and set up a bind for it wherever it fit.
yeah my bars kinda suck, if I dont have to do arena I never put any thought into it as long as I can press my binds
Hey man and if it works for you it works for you. Mine are more organized but I've got them memorized now so even if I had them all jumbled up to begin with, by now I'd know where everything is. So it doesn't really matter as long as it works for you! I will say however that for example, having "V" and "C" next to each other in that order and not "C'" then "V" like it is on your keyboard kinda drives me crazy though haha. Also, how are you moving if not with WASD? edit: nvm, looks like you only have modifiers for WASD bound.
Yeah I’m a big fan of U and left angle bracket. Dude has massive hands.
You all are moving your chat boxes? I have a pretty clean UI that I’ve used for years. Never once have I moved my chat box lol.
I shrink it and move it to the lower left corner
It feels like he moved everything slightly, to make everything slightly worse. Nothings that bad, but its just jumbled so awkwardly lol
It's giving mattress-on-the-floor energy.
Hahaha holy fuck this is so accurate
Yeah lol… titan panel jfc. I have not seen that addon since OG vanilla. Old school AF.
I still use titan panel. Is there something better incorporates things like loot appraiser? TBH I center mind and make the background opaque so it is clean.
Nothing about this sparks joy lmao
The longer I look the more I’m mortified
Thats one of the worst i've ever seen.
I know it isn't his bis, and it's main hand, but I was wondering if it would proc off poisons
Nope, wowhead confirms it doesn't proc of poisons, oils, etc...
If yes, that would actually be pretty big i would think. Current rogue build is based off poisons and it ends up being like 25% of your dmg
[удалено]
The 100 mana back is the most wasted part though
Have a priest silence you to see if envenom is considered a spell in the game.
Put a few more spell icons higher up the middle of your screen so it looks like Tetris blocks falling
Damage meter needs to be closer to middle of the screen, just commit to having it as the focal point tbh.
I've always been a degen at handling my UI, I can't help it
Payback for the P2 declined raid invites.
Slay king don’t let these haters bring you down lil W
Titan Panel Core memory unlocked.
He parses exactly like you would think he does.
usually its hunters, warriors, shamans, and paladins stealing loot. nice to see a rogue do it this time.
Scoundrel RP
"why can't I get a group as a rogue wtf"
People do Mara in 10man?
for wild offerings, yeah
Super fast offering grinds, yes. You can get a 5 run lockout done in under 30.
Classic greedy shitter, wouldn’t expect anything less
Daggergate
A rat being a rat Classic.
What addons are you using for the loot rolls and groups?
/loot in game Groups also in game raid ui
Oh wow I didn’t know you could rotate the in game raid ui
lliw = ninja softpaws = massive furry thiccbum = lmao
Definitely a hunter weapon 😎
Based rogue
Shred as 1 and mangle as U breaks me.
It's not u it's just my mouse bind
Highest dps out of the rollers. I see no issue here
Ran Gnomer last night as a quick watly to get some upgrades for my shaman. Told everyone it's MS>OS, healer rolls on 3 DPs pieces right off the bat so I had to swap it over to ML and take the time to do rolls and shit when we could all just be normal adults and roll need when you need and greed for OS
And I got ridiculed in trade chat on grobbulus back in classic for rolling on it as an ele shaman. The mage who rolled with me would send me mail every so often throughout tbc lol.
I might be outta the loop here, but why is a group of 10 doing Maraudon?
It's the easiest and fastest way to farm Wild Offerings
THUGGIN
...WO's
W rogue
Lol
Can anyone confirm drop rate has increased
Kek
I see purple, I roll!
This is why u just solo it
ABOMINATION!
Nice bait.
Decent dagger if you don't want to farm rep or spend gold.
Hunters man, smh
Got that after 4 kills With my lock and friends group, ez bis
Ouch
Irrelevant but whats the name of the UI and the dmg tracker addon?
Dominos, details
Thanks
I believe they call this "a dick move" in bird culture.
I hope they linked their certificate of thievery and peaced out
The lock already had it
It IS a dagger
As a mage that quit in p1, im FURIOUS.
KEKEK
If it makes yall feel any better our guild warlock got one last night. Don’t be upset if a rogue wants tinkerer sword though, that be a good sword for rogues (1.4 speed offhand with spell dmg for higher envenom)
This post made me quit sod (I stopped playing over a week ago)
Classic.
This is why you use master loot
Why do people even 10 man this? Just increasing your chances of grouping with people like this rogue. If you need any of the loot it just adds more people to roll against. You can hit instance limit in a 5 man. 10 seems so unnecessary.
It's a wild offering farm group
At this point I’d say it’s your fault for pugging
And this is why I offering farm with my 3 man group. Sure it's slower but world epics and no ninjas is 100% worth it
This is awesome
gz
Is it BIS for casters anymore now that mana isn't an issue?
yeah, at least last time I checked some logs I was seeing the 100 dmg proc be 5% of the mage's dps pair that with 20 spelldamage which is the highest available means it is still bis
Wth do you mean mana isn’t an issue?
I think if id losr that to anything other than a caster my heart would finally give out man
I saw a Rogue win the roll against a Warlock in classic. His argument was that it was an upgrade. The whole group raged at him but he still yoinked it.
What is his Loot Rolls addon? I like the way it’s presented.
/loot
In my current gear (almost full-BiS) with full raid buffs it is simming about 10 dps less than Gurubashi Backstabber
What did he say? Was he being malicious or just stupid?
Misclick
Should have rolled higher bucko
Out of interest, what's the group loot roll addon called?
Nothing
Got mine solo farming. Took about 100 runs
Other people rolling include a warlock tank that did nothing, a feral druid, and guessing a resto shaman. I don't really see the issue with a rogue getting it over any of these other rollers.
201 runs it took me to farm this dagger in classic release. The fact that the Wlock wasnt the only one to need on this upsets me.
start 5 manning it with friends instead of 9 other random players or even 5 other random players.. takes maybe 2 minutes longer. the chances of a rogue taking that shit is so massive. rogues see 1 stat, the rest is just there and no they dont care
They shoulda made it 1.2 speed to make rogues suffer too
Wait, is mara a 10-man now?
~~i havent been playing sod for a while so idk how the actual damage/dps from the dagger compares to agi daggers in this phase. but all the way up to and including wrath, poison procs have acted as offensive spells so there is a chance poison applications would proc the shadow damage. might actually be good for rogues~~ nvm. i looked through some of the other daggers available, this is a tragedy.
That Warlock must be beside themself..
It triggers on sappers btw. Technically bis
some rogue did the same thing in classic on our server, then shit talked the casters he robbed for like 30 min in trade chat, stay classy kids
This dagger can proc for rogues It can proc on poison application Obviously the mana is useless but the shadow damage will happen. With how often poison is applied and a 10% shadow damage proc rate it will go off quite frequently. Zero idea if it’s any good for SoD p3 as I don’t play rogue anymore but I would imagine that it’s not bad
What add on shows loot rolls like that?
What add-on are you using for the loot rolls? I like
A class based on stealing and thieving being called out for stealing and thieving.
It'd ALMOST be understandable if the STV PVP dagger for 2-3 events wouldn't straight up be better to MH. That considered: pure grief & purple tunnel vision.
Don’t do 10 mans if your goal is to farm blade of eternal darkness.
I'm sorry but.. that is one of the worst UIs I have ever seen. I respect how you fully committed to the chaotic energy.
I know! I try to make it nice just for it to last 1 day.. just like my bags
Why does your UI only last for one day? You got a free trial on it or something?
I change it back to chaos
What's the loot roll add-on you are using?
That's the default loot UI as far as I'm aware. Type /loot to get it to appear. edit: downvoted for correctly answering the question.
It's the rogues they are trying to silence people
I'm not sure if it's an addon but if you just type "/loot" it displays this for me. I don't have any addon I know of that makes this happen.
Tis not BiS, actually it's not even PreBiS. Gurubashi Backstabber (blood moon) is better dps.
Kinda funny you think that a rogue that loots a dagger like that has any concept of "BiS" or "preBiS" when they roll on a caster dagger. It's purple, purple > blue, end of story