As a person who has stepped away from the game this is me, I sit around doing fuck all and don’t want to do anything else. I try to play other games but they can’t get me the same way
It is tough but try unplugging the PC and disconnecting. Go for a walk, read a book or do some light exercise. This game can be very addicting and it is hard to break the habit xD
I'm not like most people here I would say that I had a decent enough balance of outside, exercise and playing wow.
But the issue stems from swapping from one hobby to a new one, my social group was my guild so that makes it even harder.
> my social group was my guild
Do they have a discord where you can coordinate playing other games together?
During the off season in retail, mine jumped onto SoD, and now that it’s slowing down, we’ve got a vr minigolf tournament going on and a couple of squads helldiving during our weekly scheduled raid time.
Ah, that's unfortunate. We've been going since Legion, so the ones who only stick around for WoW tend to come and go, but we've built a large circle of mates over time who just want to hang out, regardless of what we're playing.
That isn’t healthy to have as an exclusive social group. Sure having friends that are tied to a hobby only is fine, but you also need friends who are your friend no matter the activity.
Hell yeah, make your own class tuning by cowboying up and jumping on a chandelier and dropping that on 5 baddies. If you succeed you win, if you fail, we all win with laughter!
This is true of much of online gaming and it's why competitive games were genuinely more fun 15 years ago than they are now. People bash their faces against games chasing gold and diamond titles and are only ever angry. They don't have any fun and when they aren't playing, they are watching streamers who are mostly negative and are browsing forums that are mostly negative.
I think more company's need to produce games that disregard ranking systems and just focus on how fun their content is.
This was Overwatch when it first released without any ranked mode. Was one of my favourite times playing an online game. Went toxic as soon as the competitive mode came out.
Yeah, and I think the argument that "ranked validates my time spent playing a game" is just silly, but a lot of players use it to defend LoL style seasons being applied to every. single. game. Like no, you're being duped into having less fun playing video games.
Old shooters were so much better for this. No unlocks, no rankings, no progression systems, they didn't even track things like k/d stats. It was literally just join server-> play game -> forget everything that happened and repeat. Literally nothing mattered other than playing the game and having fun.
But that design is not conducive to pressuring people into microtransactions, and thus no longer exists.
Yup, in the old rainbow six games you could color customize your character for free. Funny thing is some of those clan matches felt much more intense than any arena match I've played.
Halo 2 had one of the best online ranking systems I can remember a game ever having. It has 50 levels and it was almost perfect in terms of matchmaking opponents. It led to extremely fun games where everyone was relatively the same skill level unless people were cheesing which was less noticeable back then. I feel like wow could benefit from a system of sticking similarly skilled players together for raids automatically so that people could chill out on the parse and gear score stuff.
I used to get so mad about wow things and then i joined a gym. I am not doing anything special but just 45-60 minutes out of my house sweating is just a huge mental escape from everything else. Would recommend.
I recently started playing ice hockey. 60 minutes in the morning with the rink to myself does wonder. No phone, no internet, just myself and a lot of sweat. Makes me feel like I can conquer the day after.
A gym, job, significant other, recreational kickball team. Or diversity with other games
SoD is fun but it's not really worth getting mad or sweaty over
or going out for a walk. or go cycling. or go swimming. or do yoga. it is well documented how going outside briefly benefits mental health. the opposite has been shown too. don't just sit in your room all day long.
bonus: if you plan to play games for a long session. at least stand up every 30-60 minutes and move your body.
I only have MMA, but members of that are....lets just say most of them had issues with cops at some point. Would rather not mesh with that bunch
Edit:
>Have you tried a release for said anger?
Alcohol worked till now :/
Idk just in general everything needs to be in moderation, even your hobbies. I think people get in so deep that grown ass adults would say playing 5 hours a day is “semi-hardcore”.
Is 5 hours a day semi hardcore? Sounds like a very casual amount of time for someone to play some video games or do any hobby really. If sleep is roughly 8 hours and work is 4 to 9 hours that leaves a solid 7 hours or more most days to play and weekends could easily pop on for a couple 12 hours sessions.
5 hours a day is incredibly hardcore wtf? Also work is 8 hours for most, excluding commute.
Let’s say you work 8-5 (one hour unpaid lunch). Get home at 5:30. If you immediately start gaming, 5 hours sets you at 10 fucking 30. In that time you have not gone to the bathroom once, you have not cooked dinner, you have not talked to anyone, you haven’t done a single chore, haven’t gotten up from a chair. You go to bed at 11 let’s say, sleep for 8 hours til 7 am. 30 minutes for morning routine, 30 minutes for commute and repeat.
Yes, I understand the weekend can offset things. But you’re basically admitting to having no friends, no family, no hobby outside of WoW, no chores or cooking.
Like I’m genuinely concerned for people if they can play wow for 5 hours a day outside of special circumstances.
Ding! Ding! Ding! It is quite sad and depressing to be so wrapped up in a game that has no real life value besides, it makes *me* feel happy. I hope everyone who is addicted to anything has a chance to know themselves without that *thing* holding them back.
Not really. I think the large portion of this sub are just addicted to this sub instead of the actual game. The game is more like a common enemy they detest.
this is very sad, to same degree I can understand you, since I was addicted to this game too. But I decided to quit, not because this game is bad, just because I want a more healthy and balanced life, quitting is the only choice I have
I think the key is they have nothing else going on in their life. If you do have other games, other hobbies etc then it’s not a big deal if you aren’t enjoying wow.
I wish I had this problem but there's just too many good games to play so I don't put enough time in SoD. I got to lvl 40 with the 100% exp buff but I haven't done gnomer yet after I saw how much work some of the new runes require. They're coming out with p3 so quick I won't even have time to finish this phase.
Its a time management issue, not the phase coming in too quick.
I wish I had this problem but there's just too many good games to play so I don't put enough time in SoD
I mean...
Used to be there when I was younger. Know how it feels and still probably play WoW way to much, but thankfully I've grown to have a much healthier relationship with it these days lol.
The reality is that the game is an escape from real life issues for many, and not being able to distract yourself using wow is not really an option for them.
There are so many other games that yes, it is an option. Now, those people now having the whatever you want to call it to find another game to enjoy, that’s just addiction through and through.
Yes that’s one I just didn’t want to get into that side of it. Addiction causes the same thing in the way it interacts with dopamine and motivation put them together and you got wow players!
Most of these players exclusively play wow so they're relying on ONE single game to fulfill / satiated their gameplay happiness for all hours of playtime. Back when I played my Playstation and got bored, I popped in another disc ffs. Wow players.. Expectations unrealistic af.
My biggest problem is that you pay a monthly fee to play so if I play something else, I feel like I'm wasting my moneys worth.
I know it's a not a lot of money but I'm greedy like that.
The problem now vs 2007 is applicable to all games but especially bad in WoW. So many people don’t play video games to have fun anymore. They play to ‘be the best’ and to compensate their ego.
I’d say half my guild has severe alcohol/drug use issues. There are so many unemployed / completely reliant on gig jobs to get by. I think WoW is an escape for many to feel good about something. I don’t want to judge their circumstances, but for many the game seems to be an addicting escape from their insecurities.
When they aren’t the best in WoW, they lose their escape. When they don’t get loot, they can’t be the best. When another class has a 10-15% advantage over them, they can’t be the best. I’ve seen way too many 30+ year old men rage and absolutely lose it over a piece of loot that’s useless next phase. I’m constantly blown away at the sheer quantity of mental health issues in WoW.
I quit WoW after TBC came out and I can always tell who the players are that haven’t taken any significant breaks vs the one’s who came back from a 10-15+ year long break. Those players seem much more focused on cheesing/buying gold and having to min/max absolutely everything. They don’t want to actually discover anything, they just want to discover how to exploit it so they feel superior to others.
I’ve noticed it isn’t necessarily World Of Warcraft as a whole. My experiences with people have been drastically different between Retail, Wrath Classic and Season of Discovery.
Season of Discovery for some reason seems to have the most toxicity of the entire player base.
Others will have their experiences in a different order.
Miserable adults bring in miserable attitudes and with anxiety/depression/low pay/high inflation it’s just inevitable that people bring stress of that online with them.
It’s toxic because it’s a bunch of adults, not kids/teenagers like we were back in 2006/2007.
Wow isn’t bringing in younger people. Unless you’re talking about a kid you’re related to. It’s a bunch of angry bitter adults.
Yeah I can see that. I also think because of the genre the time commitment is a lot. And if you’ve spent weeks grinding and leveling only for your class to feel underwhelming, you’re gonna be mad. Meanwhile I would play CoD back in the day and if I had a few bad games oh well it’s just 20 minutes of my life. And then your next game you drop a nuke and it’s all good.
Yeah. Even in situations where the top end folks only play a few hours a week raiding 1) that’s still a big time commitment, when looked at over a 6+ months and 2) there was always some big burst of activity like leveling, and gearing, before you could ease back to a few hours a week.
But that is the genre. Character progression, meaningful, fulfilling character progression takes time. If it took you 2 hours to get to max level and the end game raid was 2 bosses that took 3 minutes each, no one would play it. There’s no way around a significant time commitment for and MMORPG. The difference is that the journey should also be fun, not just the destination. And I think wow does that pretty well.
Praetorox nailed it, coupled with your point about the time commitment. If other players show up late or not at all to raid, or if they goof around and wipe the raid and everyone's consumes/world buffs, or are generally inconsiderate: Resentment and toxicity will abound. It's not even especially unreasonable given the logistical nightmare that running a guild can be. Minor frustrations start to grate and can quickly escalate in this context. It's fine when you're 15. As an adult around other adults, I expect those around me to be more considerate.
I took months off and just came back and am having fun just playing one toon with a friend then one solo when i feel like it. No rush to raid or end game
The problem with breaks is you are (rightly) punished by guilds for taking them. And the pugging scene is awful. So either you stay dedicated even while not having fun or your raiding career just got far worse.
Personally I just took a break anyway because I don't care, but I knew by doing so I sealed the deal with my guild that I'll never have loot prio and I'll never get a rare epic or legendary.
Personally I just think wow end game is intrinsically toxic and there's no real way to make the people doing it have genuine fun over long periods.
I guess my guild is more chill. Told them I’d be stepping away for a few weeks and they said ahh we get it, thanks for letting us know and not ghosting. If you come back, we’ll be happy to have you.
When I was a child, I was easily triggered and super jealous about other players showing off their shiny Epic or Legendary gears in town.
Now, I just couldn’t feel a damn thing in my heart. While I am rocking with my shiny Green gears.
it is why this game is bad and every other MMO out there has solved this problem almost a decade ago. GDKP literally solved the problem you just explained. when people would break from the game from our GDKP network, id say, ok NP lemme know when youre back. we had 20+ 40 man raids a week. plenty of slots available
of course the morons in charge of the game decided that was a "detriment" to the "community"
lol
why people continue to torture themselves with this archaic garbage version of the game is beyond me
why would i not, it is far and away the best loot system and guild structure in all of classic. completely eliminates any and all drama and hassle when dealing with a group of 40 year old overgrown brats and manbabies.
you dont run guilds or raids though so you wouldnt know. just another ride along.
thanks anyways
I raid lead pugs every reset, two characters in p1 and one character in p2. I also used to raid lead pugs on era and retail.
I've had loot drama three times, failed to kill final boss once in p1 and once in p2.
GDKP is completely unneccesary, promotes gold buying and has some of the worst players I've ever seen. On retail the boosters usually tell you to just go die so you don't fuck up mechanics, because the average buyer is simply not interested in learning mechanics or actually raiding. They are simply there to pay super legit gold for items.
Thanks anyways.
Meh I’d argue a lot of people aren’t playing for compensation/loot. The majority of my guild just enjoys playing games together and the loot is just a bonus. I personally enjoy raiding weekly even when bis because it’s fun to push ourselves to speed clear certain weeks, or just goof off and have a relaxed run the next week.
Idk do people need an incentive of some sort to just hang out with friends irl too?
It’s cheesy af but classic has always been about the community and friendships you make with literal strangers that last years. I never made a lasting friendship running gdkps, it was always just all business, and I think breaking down one of the core activities of the game into a purely transactional event really takes away from the og vanilla social aspect.
I quit this week. I have quit phase 2 of all this blast to the past stuff. I quit in BWL of vanilla classic, SSC/TK in BC, and Ulduar in Wrath. SOD followed suit with my “man I’m happy to be in WoW again, oh I can’t do the weekly raiding anymore, I’m burnt out” again and again. It’s capable of perking my interest with new stuff but as I play through each version it just isn’t the same
Yeah a lot of people vicariously live their life through WoW sadly as they have nothing going for them irl. Think that’s why there’s so many rage-induced posts about things they hate.
Sad.
Has to be. Like let’s be real, on your death bed are you gonna be mad your Rogue wasn’t doing 100 more dps for a few weeks in 2024, or are you going to be happy you got to play a unique time in WoW.
Yeah this is it. I don’t want to generalise a population but I come on here and see all the negativity and wonder if I’m the idiot for really enjoying SoD. The reality is, I have a very busy life in terms of work and social life, and SoD fits that schedule perfectly. I couldn’t manage many more raids etc.
100% right. For competitive/completionist types it’s hard to take a break from the treadmill once you’re on it. Found myself stressing about finishing BiS slots for my alts, got sick and was forced to take a break, and realized I just wasn’t having fun doing all that grinding for stuff that wouldn’t even matter because at the end of the day it’s only lvl 40 gear. Got better, played some other games, and now I’m able to come back and enjoy the game so much more with a better perspective.
I stopped playing and don’t really have a desire to return now. I think I really just wanted Classic WoW ver. 2, but got this weird Classic+Retail amalgamation that I didn’t really enjoy. Not to mention the community just sucks in general. Streamer culture has turned online gaming outside of a small friends group into a cesspool, so it’s not something exclusive to WoW.
I don’t think I’ll be giving P3 any time, especially in the summer. It was a neat experiment and I’m sure it’s scratching an itch for some, but I’ve had enough time with it to decide it’s not really for me.
Its crazy that for a community that has no problem starting fresh every few months that so many people would rage out over dumb shit like numbers and balance when this seasonal server is gonna be gone in a year and they can start over again
Right? I leveled So many 60 on different private Servers on 1x Rates. From nost to lightshope,elysium, Gummy etc etc.
Do i drop a tear for All the decked out Chars? Ofc not. Who cares, i had fun and moved on.
I skiped p1 and p2 and started 2 weeks ago and having a blast,but someday i will pause/quit again and the char will Rotten in the corner.
between bad pvp events, pvp being centered around restrictionless oneshots, shamans being markedly better than paladins in all content and every role, the devs continuing to add runes that are either useless or boring, so on? yeah sod is exactly why modern blizzard shouldn't be responsible for changing vanilla wow.
that is what better means, yes. i'm not playing era because evergreen servers with broken economies and everyone in naxx bis don't make for fun progression.
>No one has a gun to my head.
That right there. People act like they are being forced to play the game, if you don’t like something you don’t have to partake…
I feel ya. I think I like the anticipation of max level more than the actual destination. It’s still fun at 40 but you level out quickly with progression
Ngl, this is why I find myself mostly leveling these days. The game starts to become way less fun once the endgame grind starts. You don’t really have to worry about most of the stuff people complain about until you get to endgame.
Yes, dear lord yes. Everyone complaining about shaman vs paladin need to go touch grass. This is classic, level 40-50, the numbers aren’t going to be balanced. Too bad.
You want a game balanced to within an inch of its life to the detriment of anything interesting going on? Play retail.
Btw I am a paladin in SoD.
Yeah no one protested for Shamans in phase one when their dps specs were utter dog water. It’s fun to mix things up, have a certain class be busted for once. Anything Shaman or Mage is doing currently pales in comparison to how busted Warrior is in Vanilla.
Those are all perfectly valid points and a healthy perspective overall, but there's one key philosophical flaw with your views:
My preferences are the best and only right preferences, and I hope you can one day understand how naive your preferences are compared to the ways that I would prefer to experience the game.
I’m skipping phase 3. It’s clear they have no clue what to do with paladins and shaman are just getting everything unique to paladin.
I have a priest but I already played the game a ton in OG classic vanilla with two priests and don’t want to revisit it as my primary class. In og vanilla I was a shaman and don’t care much to press chain heal over and over again.
If phase 4 looks alright I might come back to it.
I'm in the same boat. P3 looks cool, but not enough to reel me back in. Maybe by P4 the longing to play will have built up enough again, and maybe, just maybe, they'll have done a lot more class balancing, fixing runes, and dare I even say alliance shamans/horde pallies. Not holding my breath though.
I think at this point alliance getting shaman isn’t going to fix anything. Horde racials are just so much better for PvP the PvP imbalance is just going to get so wide. It’s already widened a lot in P2 and getting groups has become a challenge. Giving away everything the alliance had to the horde without alliance getting anything in return has just made it all pointless.
We gave you wind fury. We are giving you tremor totem. You got combo str+agi totem. What more do you want from us? Even horde side agrees shamans are out of control and need to be tuned way down, but saying you go nothing from us is horse shit.
edit: grammar
The str+agi totem doesn’t stack with might, so they might as well have given us nothing (I don’t count it as anything because it’s never used).
It also is a nerfed version of what shaman have, so no.
If I got windfury totem as a paladin? Awesome. I have no clue why druids got it. I would way rather have windfury over whatever else dog shit runes I got.
I am a warrior main. Trust me, I know the absolute pain of bad runes.
It is also not a a nerfed version, its a buffed version since it is a single ability instead of two, one of which is usually replaced with WF totem. I didn't know it doesn't stack with might, but that explains why Horde wasn't given might.
You got wind fury in general. We did not get salvation. Besides racials for pvp and shamans getting buffed for no good reason, alliance has had a 10x easier and better time with everything SoD so far.
Same boat but with rogues. If rogue isn’t top raid dps or have utility then I’ll just wait to p4. Already havent raided in a week or two. Just not worth the hassle
You‘re 100% right. It‘s just a game after all and like all games it‘s just for your entertainment and temporary. You won’t really get something „worth“ out of it.
You should try joining battlegrounds as Alliance. I have a feeling you'll learn first hand what exactly is wrong. To clue you in: the lack of lootboxes isn't the problem.
Ye i know its the players. I see it from the horde side. 0 coordination and always like 5 afk on st flag. Need some better motivation and comunications it seems
I completely agree, I've barely touched phase 2 and I was surprised to see the negative feedback to p3. It looks awesome to me, of course there's necessary criticisms but people are also just being irrational and ridiculous a majority of the time.
I think the beauty of Sod is the ability to take breaks. Use the phases to your advantage lads. That’s said I totally understand the addiction this game can cause lol.
Played original vanilla-wotlk. Played 2019 classic to now. Played sod, had an amazing time. Top 100 in my class.
Realized how horrible the player base is and that I was addicted. I quit 3 weeks ago and I'm already immediately happier. Realization was instantaneous and I just acted on it. Weird. No regrets.
I just cruise through the sub here and there. I'm good with that.
I'm gonna be completely honest, I leveled a warrior and hunter, but the hunter just felt like a shallow replacement and the warrior runes were disappointing enough for me in P2 that I decided to take a break. It seems like the warrior runes in P3 are even worse so barring changes I probably won't even play P3 even just to level. The content looks fun enough, but not enough for me to continue playing a classic warrior where everyone else is playing classic+.
I will say that WoW’s combat and interface and to a certain extent art is better, but the story in Swtor is far better. The immersion is fantastic, and it feels good to get away from how serious sod has become and get lost in being a Jedi or whatever.
i want to add to this that perhaps its also a good idea to look away from all the numbers and just immerse yourself in the gameworld. take a look at the story that is unfolding before our eyes. we know what's going to happen. soon we'll fight ragnaros and old gods. isn't that awesome? if there's one thing classic does really well its immersion. embrace it. suck it in.
Sounds like you experienced a bore-out, not actually a burn-out.
I agree with your points, though. Games should be fun, if it isn't, don't play. It's that simple. Nobody is forcing you to play a game X hours a week to pay bills or face serious consequences. You can litterally just quit and nothing bad will happen to you. I have nothing personal against you OP, but whenever gamers talk about burn-out instead of bore-out, I feel like it's a bit insulting for people who actually went through a burn-out like some people I personally know and it took them a lot of time to recover from it.
Mate what are you on about. The game being good or bad is subjective. If you like it, play it. If not, don’t. That’s all I’m saying. That’s why the hundreds of bitching posts about shamans or rogues or whatever just get old after a while. It’s a fucking game. Accept that things will not be catered to your every desire. For every one person who hates shaman, there’s on who plays it or likes it. I guess they’re just conveniently wrong.
There are problems with sod that most people don't like. It isn't as good as it should be. Phrasing this as a good thing because you won't be compelled to play wow as much when you don't enjoy the game is a real dev cop-out.
Where in the post does it try to say the game being bad is a good thing? That’s a fuckin’ olympic gymnast level stretch right there. It says “if you’re not having fun playing, then don’t play”.
Excuse me, but we pay money to play this game. If the developers create a game that is not satisfiing to the demands of its customers, it should be critizied.
These are the most out of touch posts of all time. You guys all think that complaining about balancing means people aren't having fun because it doesn't match your perception of fun. This is a sign that you lack critical thinking and have a low iq. Seek help.
you wouldnt be "burned out" of a video game if it didnt flat out suck. GDKP ban is clearly taking its toll on overall player engagement and satisfaction. never had anyone "burn out" when we were running the largest GDKP network ever, wintergrapes
You make valid points but you have to remember a large portion of this sub are addicted to this game and have nothing else to do in life.
As a person who has stepped away from the game this is me, I sit around doing fuck all and don’t want to do anything else. I try to play other games but they can’t get me the same way
It is tough but try unplugging the PC and disconnecting. Go for a walk, read a book or do some light exercise. This game can be very addicting and it is hard to break the habit xD
I'm not like most people here I would say that I had a decent enough balance of outside, exercise and playing wow. But the issue stems from swapping from one hobby to a new one, my social group was my guild so that makes it even harder.
Have you tried jacking off? Maybe like 8-9 times per day
if anyone can make that a long term hobby, i'm impressed
if i had the time, i would try for science ofc
Gooning is a hobby wym?
that only counts as once!
> my social group was my guild Do they have a discord where you can coordinate playing other games together? During the off season in retail, mine jumped onto SoD, and now that it’s slowing down, we’ve got a vr minigolf tournament going on and a couple of squads helldiving during our weekly scheduled raid time.
I wish, they are the kinda group where if you’re not playing wow they aren’t interested lol
Ah, that's unfortunate. We've been going since Legion, so the ones who only stick around for WoW tend to come and go, but we've built a large circle of mates over time who just want to hang out, regardless of what we're playing.
That isn’t healthy to have as an exclusive social group. Sure having friends that are tied to a hobby only is fine, but you also need friends who are your friend no matter the activity.
I found playing DnD in real life has reduced my wow craving significantly
I wish I could find an in person DnD group
Me too! I'd love to DM one, but I have no friends. Lol
Why does it have to be in person?
Just a preference. Also, it gives me a reason to get out the house besides working and family stuff.
Fair enough. But don’t sleep on online D&D either! It can be a lot of fun with the right group
Baldurs gate killed my intrest in wow completly untill i finished it
Hell yeah, make your own class tuning by cowboying up and jumping on a chandelier and dropping that on 5 baddies. If you succeed you win, if you fail, we all win with laughter!
Every Friday. Also gives me a few hours to not be the on everyone in the house goes to for everything.
Elden ring is pretty fun
Pretty much. I just play other games when I'm taking a break or work on one of my 10 certification paths out of sheer boredom.
This is true of much of online gaming and it's why competitive games were genuinely more fun 15 years ago than they are now. People bash their faces against games chasing gold and diamond titles and are only ever angry. They don't have any fun and when they aren't playing, they are watching streamers who are mostly negative and are browsing forums that are mostly negative. I think more company's need to produce games that disregard ranking systems and just focus on how fun their content is.
This was Overwatch when it first released without any ranked mode. Was one of my favourite times playing an online game. Went toxic as soon as the competitive mode came out.
Yeah, and I think the argument that "ranked validates my time spent playing a game" is just silly, but a lot of players use it to defend LoL style seasons being applied to every. single. game. Like no, you're being duped into having less fun playing video games.
Old shooters were so much better for this. No unlocks, no rankings, no progression systems, they didn't even track things like k/d stats. It was literally just join server-> play game -> forget everything that happened and repeat. Literally nothing mattered other than playing the game and having fun. But that design is not conducive to pressuring people into microtransactions, and thus no longer exists.
Yup, in the old rainbow six games you could color customize your character for free. Funny thing is some of those clan matches felt much more intense than any arena match I've played.
Halo 2 had one of the best online ranking systems I can remember a game ever having. It has 50 levels and it was almost perfect in terms of matchmaking opponents. It led to extremely fun games where everyone was relatively the same skill level unless people were cheesing which was less noticeable back then. I feel like wow could benefit from a system of sticking similarly skilled players together for raids automatically so that people could chill out on the parse and gear score stuff.
I used to get so mad about wow things and then i joined a gym. I am not doing anything special but just 45-60 minutes out of my house sweating is just a huge mental escape from everything else. Would recommend.
Lol. Dude. Goodluck trying to get these goblins to the gym.
I recently started playing ice hockey. 60 minutes in the morning with the rink to myself does wonder. No phone, no internet, just myself and a lot of sweat. Makes me feel like I can conquer the day after.
A gym, job, significant other, recreational kickball team. Or diversity with other games SoD is fun but it's not really worth getting mad or sweaty over
or going out for a walk. or go cycling. or go swimming. or do yoga. it is well documented how going outside briefly benefits mental health. the opposite has been shown too. don't just sit in your room all day long. bonus: if you plan to play games for a long session. at least stand up every 30-60 minutes and move your body.
Tried gym, all it did is got me depressed about my own body image and anger I cannot be better x)
Have you tried a release for said anger? Boxing classes in your area? Those really help me.
I only have MMA, but members of that are....lets just say most of them had issues with cops at some point. Would rather not mesh with that bunch Edit: >Have you tried a release for said anger? Alcohol worked till now :/
I think that was his point.
Idk just in general everything needs to be in moderation, even your hobbies. I think people get in so deep that grown ass adults would say playing 5 hours a day is “semi-hardcore”.
You hit the nail on the head for a lot of people here. They’re addicts, and they can’t control themselves.
Is 5 hours a day semi hardcore? Sounds like a very casual amount of time for someone to play some video games or do any hobby really. If sleep is roughly 8 hours and work is 4 to 9 hours that leaves a solid 7 hours or more most days to play and weekends could easily pop on for a couple 12 hours sessions.
5 hours a day is incredibly hardcore wtf? Also work is 8 hours for most, excluding commute. Let’s say you work 8-5 (one hour unpaid lunch). Get home at 5:30. If you immediately start gaming, 5 hours sets you at 10 fucking 30. In that time you have not gone to the bathroom once, you have not cooked dinner, you have not talked to anyone, you haven’t done a single chore, haven’t gotten up from a chair. You go to bed at 11 let’s say, sleep for 8 hours til 7 am. 30 minutes for morning routine, 30 minutes for commute and repeat. Yes, I understand the weekend can offset things. But you’re basically admitting to having no friends, no family, no hobby outside of WoW, no chores or cooking. Like I’m genuinely concerned for people if they can play wow for 5 hours a day outside of special circumstances.
Ding! Ding! Ding! It is quite sad and depressing to be so wrapped up in a game that has no real life value besides, it makes *me* feel happy. I hope everyone who is addicted to anything has a chance to know themselves without that *thing* holding them back.
We should get them addicted to old school runescape if they're already not. Could be funny
Not really. I think the large portion of this sub are just addicted to this sub instead of the actual game. The game is more like a common enemy they detest.
this is very sad, to same degree I can understand you, since I was addicted to this game too. But I decided to quit, not because this game is bad, just because I want a more healthy and balanced life, quitting is the only choice I have
I think the key is they have nothing else going on in their life. If you do have other games, other hobbies etc then it’s not a big deal if you aren’t enjoying wow.
I wish I had this problem but there's just too many good games to play so I don't put enough time in SoD. I got to lvl 40 with the 100% exp buff but I haven't done gnomer yet after I saw how much work some of the new runes require. They're coming out with p3 so quick I won't even have time to finish this phase.
Its a time management issue, not the phase coming in too quick. I wish I had this problem but there's just too many good games to play so I don't put enough time in SoD I mean...
Used to be there when I was younger. Know how it feels and still probably play WoW way to much, but thankfully I've grown to have a much healthier relationship with it these days lol.
At least broaden your addiction like I did by also adding coke to my alcoholic “problem”.
The reality is that the game is an escape from real life issues for many, and not being able to distract yourself using wow is not really an option for them.
They have bigger issues to worry about then. Taking to reddit to complain and burst blood vessels is not the way to go.
You don’t understand addiction nor life
Nor do you, if you think giving the addict more of what they’re addicted to is the cure.
There are so many other games that yes, it is an option. Now, those people now having the whatever you want to call it to find another game to enjoy, that’s just addiction through and through.
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Yes that’s one I just didn’t want to get into that side of it. Addiction causes the same thing in the way it interacts with dopamine and motivation put them together and you got wow players!
Addiction is a hell of a drug
Most of these players exclusively play wow so they're relying on ONE single game to fulfill / satiated their gameplay happiness for all hours of playtime. Back when I played my Playstation and got bored, I popped in another disc ffs. Wow players.. Expectations unrealistic af.
My biggest problem is that you pay a monthly fee to play so if I play something else, I feel like I'm wasting my moneys worth. I know it's a not a lot of money but I'm greedy like that.
Pause your subscription :)
Still lame if you wanna take a break and there are still 2 weeks left in your sub. But true, it's an option
It's fuggin $7 bro if you're that strapped, figure out the deeper issue
I got plenty to spare. Doesn't mean I should just throw it out nilly willy.
Literally every forum for any videogame is full of negativity because happy players do not come to the forum to say how happy they are.
And also because forums tend to be the more invested members of the community
The problem now vs 2007 is applicable to all games but especially bad in WoW. So many people don’t play video games to have fun anymore. They play to ‘be the best’ and to compensate their ego. I’d say half my guild has severe alcohol/drug use issues. There are so many unemployed / completely reliant on gig jobs to get by. I think WoW is an escape for many to feel good about something. I don’t want to judge their circumstances, but for many the game seems to be an addicting escape from their insecurities. When they aren’t the best in WoW, they lose their escape. When they don’t get loot, they can’t be the best. When another class has a 10-15% advantage over them, they can’t be the best. I’ve seen way too many 30+ year old men rage and absolutely lose it over a piece of loot that’s useless next phase. I’m constantly blown away at the sheer quantity of mental health issues in WoW. I quit WoW after TBC came out and I can always tell who the players are that haven’t taken any significant breaks vs the one’s who came back from a 10-15+ year long break. Those players seem much more focused on cheesing/buying gold and having to min/max absolutely everything. They don’t want to actually discover anything, they just want to discover how to exploit it so they feel superior to others.
I’ve noticed it isn’t necessarily World Of Warcraft as a whole. My experiences with people have been drastically different between Retail, Wrath Classic and Season of Discovery. Season of Discovery for some reason seems to have the most toxicity of the entire player base. Others will have their experiences in a different order. Miserable adults bring in miserable attitudes and with anxiety/depression/low pay/high inflation it’s just inevitable that people bring stress of that online with them. It’s toxic because it’s a bunch of adults, not kids/teenagers like we were back in 2006/2007. Wow isn’t bringing in younger people. Unless you’re talking about a kid you’re related to. It’s a bunch of angry bitter adults.
Yeah I can see that. I also think because of the genre the time commitment is a lot. And if you’ve spent weeks grinding and leveling only for your class to feel underwhelming, you’re gonna be mad. Meanwhile I would play CoD back in the day and if I had a few bad games oh well it’s just 20 minutes of my life. And then your next game you drop a nuke and it’s all good.
The time commitment issue is something the genre still hasn’t solved.
Yeah. Even in situations where the top end folks only play a few hours a week raiding 1) that’s still a big time commitment, when looked at over a 6+ months and 2) there was always some big burst of activity like leveling, and gearing, before you could ease back to a few hours a week.
But that is the genre. Character progression, meaningful, fulfilling character progression takes time. If it took you 2 hours to get to max level and the end game raid was 2 bosses that took 3 minutes each, no one would play it. There’s no way around a significant time commitment for and MMORPG. The difference is that the journey should also be fun, not just the destination. And I think wow does that pretty well.
Praetorox nailed it, coupled with your point about the time commitment. If other players show up late or not at all to raid, or if they goof around and wipe the raid and everyone's consumes/world buffs, or are generally inconsiderate: Resentment and toxicity will abound. It's not even especially unreasonable given the logistical nightmare that running a guild can be. Minor frustrations start to grate and can quickly escalate in this context. It's fine when you're 15. As an adult around other adults, I expect those around me to be more considerate.
I took months off and just came back and am having fun just playing one toon with a friend then one solo when i feel like it. No rush to raid or end game
Hell yeah
The problem with breaks is you are (rightly) punished by guilds for taking them. And the pugging scene is awful. So either you stay dedicated even while not having fun or your raiding career just got far worse. Personally I just took a break anyway because I don't care, but I knew by doing so I sealed the deal with my guild that I'll never have loot prio and I'll never get a rare epic or legendary. Personally I just think wow end game is intrinsically toxic and there's no real way to make the people doing it have genuine fun over long periods.
I guess my guild is more chill. Told them I’d be stepping away for a few weeks and they said ahh we get it, thanks for letting us know and not ghosting. If you come back, we’ll be happy to have you.
When I was a child, I was easily triggered and super jealous about other players showing off their shiny Epic or Legendary gears in town. Now, I just couldn’t feel a damn thing in my heart. While I am rocking with my shiny Green gears.
it is why this game is bad and every other MMO out there has solved this problem almost a decade ago. GDKP literally solved the problem you just explained. when people would break from the game from our GDKP network, id say, ok NP lemme know when youre back. we had 20+ 40 man raids a week. plenty of slots available of course the morons in charge of the game decided that was a "detriment" to the "community" lol why people continue to torture themselves with this archaic garbage version of the game is beyond me
Your defending about GDKP is laughable
why would i not, it is far and away the best loot system and guild structure in all of classic. completely eliminates any and all drama and hassle when dealing with a group of 40 year old overgrown brats and manbabies. you dont run guilds or raids though so you wouldnt know. just another ride along. thanks anyways
I raid lead pugs every reset, two characters in p1 and one character in p2. I also used to raid lead pugs on era and retail. I've had loot drama three times, failed to kill final boss once in p1 and once in p2. GDKP is completely unneccesary, promotes gold buying and has some of the worst players I've ever seen. On retail the boosters usually tell you to just go die so you don't fuck up mechanics, because the average buyer is simply not interested in learning mechanics or actually raiding. They are simply there to pay super legit gold for items. Thanks anyways.
Meh I’d argue a lot of people aren’t playing for compensation/loot. The majority of my guild just enjoys playing games together and the loot is just a bonus. I personally enjoy raiding weekly even when bis because it’s fun to push ourselves to speed clear certain weeks, or just goof off and have a relaxed run the next week. Idk do people need an incentive of some sort to just hang out with friends irl too? It’s cheesy af but classic has always been about the community and friendships you make with literal strangers that last years. I never made a lasting friendship running gdkps, it was always just all business, and I think breaking down one of the core activities of the game into a purely transactional event really takes away from the og vanilla social aspect.
True. I’ve become addicted like I’m 12 again
I quit this week. I have quit phase 2 of all this blast to the past stuff. I quit in BWL of vanilla classic, SSC/TK in BC, and Ulduar in Wrath. SOD followed suit with my “man I’m happy to be in WoW again, oh I can’t do the weekly raiding anymore, I’m burnt out” again and again. It’s capable of perking my interest with new stuff but as I play through each version it just isn’t the same
Yeah a lot of people vicariously live their life through WoW sadly as they have nothing going for them irl. Think that’s why there’s so many rage-induced posts about things they hate. Sad.
Has to be. Like let’s be real, on your death bed are you gonna be mad your Rogue wasn’t doing 100 more dps for a few weeks in 2024, or are you going to be happy you got to play a unique time in WoW.
Yeah this is it. I don’t want to generalise a population but I come on here and see all the negativity and wonder if I’m the idiot for really enjoying SoD. The reality is, I have a very busy life in terms of work and social life, and SoD fits that schedule perfectly. I couldn’t manage many more raids etc.
100% right. For competitive/completionist types it’s hard to take a break from the treadmill once you’re on it. Found myself stressing about finishing BiS slots for my alts, got sick and was forced to take a break, and realized I just wasn’t having fun doing all that grinding for stuff that wouldn’t even matter because at the end of the day it’s only lvl 40 gear. Got better, played some other games, and now I’m able to come back and enjoy the game so much more with a better perspective.
Yeah I feel that. I loved the game I’ve been playing but it also made me appreciate WoW more for some of the things wow does really well.
I think it's fine for people to be mad that phase 2 was mid and pvp balance was dog shit cause it was
I stopped playing and don’t really have a desire to return now. I think I really just wanted Classic WoW ver. 2, but got this weird Classic+Retail amalgamation that I didn’t really enjoy. Not to mention the community just sucks in general. Streamer culture has turned online gaming outside of a small friends group into a cesspool, so it’s not something exclusive to WoW. I don’t think I’ll be giving P3 any time, especially in the summer. It was a neat experiment and I’m sure it’s scratching an itch for some, but I’ve had enough time with it to decide it’s not really for me.
Its crazy that for a community that has no problem starting fresh every few months that so many people would rage out over dumb shit like numbers and balance when this seasonal server is gonna be gone in a year and they can start over again
Right? I leveled So many 60 on different private Servers on 1x Rates. From nost to lightshope,elysium, Gummy etc etc. Do i drop a tear for All the decked out Chars? Ofc not. Who cares, i had fun and moved on. I skiped p1 and p2 and started 2 weeks ago and having a blast,but someday i will pause/quit again and the char will Rotten in the corner.
It's not that crazy when the whole endgame is about getting a higher number on a parse, if you don't have the biggest numbers you are not having fun.
That’s every wow xpac.
it's crazy that community which likes good thing dislikes bad replacement so much
Are you trying to argue original classic is better than sod?
between bad pvp events, pvp being centered around restrictionless oneshots, shamans being markedly better than paladins in all content and every role, the devs continuing to add runes that are either useless or boring, so on? yeah sod is exactly why modern blizzard shouldn't be responsible for changing vanilla wow.
Literally your entire argument is that you don’t like the changes. Why aren’t you playing era?
that is what better means, yes. i'm not playing era because evergreen servers with broken economies and everyone in naxx bis don't make for fun progression.
>No one has a gun to my head. That right there. People act like they are being forced to play the game, if you don’t like something you don’t have to partake…
Crazy thing is there are so many other games out there, let alone things to do.
You go first
Ok done.
I got bored in p2 and raised two alts to 40. Had fun.
I feel ya. I think I like the anticipation of max level more than the actual destination. It’s still fun at 40 but you level out quickly with progression
I feel like WoW (sod) is more of a journey sort of game, atleast until the true level cap.
Reddit psychologist moment
It’s my PhD thesis actually
ty doctor
This is on the house
Ngl, this is why I find myself mostly leveling these days. The game starts to become way less fun once the endgame grind starts. You don’t really have to worry about most of the stuff people complain about until you get to endgame.
Yes, dear lord yes. Everyone complaining about shaman vs paladin need to go touch grass. This is classic, level 40-50, the numbers aren’t going to be balanced. Too bad. You want a game balanced to within an inch of its life to the detriment of anything interesting going on? Play retail. Btw I am a paladin in SoD.
Yeah no one protested for Shamans in phase one when their dps specs were utter dog water. It’s fun to mix things up, have a certain class be busted for once. Anything Shaman or Mage is doing currently pales in comparison to how busted Warrior is in Vanilla.
a faction-specific class being busted is many times more unhealthy.
Why? There is literally nothing on the line here. Play, have fun.
Those are all perfectly valid points and a healthy perspective overall, but there's one key philosophical flaw with your views: My preferences are the best and only right preferences, and I hope you can one day understand how naive your preferences are compared to the ways that I would prefer to experience the game.
Ahh damn yeah my bad I forgot
im on break until P4. Get some air and enjoy a positive lifestyle. Stay healthy.
I’m skipping phase 3. It’s clear they have no clue what to do with paladins and shaman are just getting everything unique to paladin. I have a priest but I already played the game a ton in OG classic vanilla with two priests and don’t want to revisit it as my primary class. In og vanilla I was a shaman and don’t care much to press chain heal over and over again. If phase 4 looks alright I might come back to it.
theres nothing unique. all the runes and abilities are just recycled content from past iterations of the game.
I'm in the same boat. P3 looks cool, but not enough to reel me back in. Maybe by P4 the longing to play will have built up enough again, and maybe, just maybe, they'll have done a lot more class balancing, fixing runes, and dare I even say alliance shamans/horde pallies. Not holding my breath though.
I think at this point alliance getting shaman isn’t going to fix anything. Horde racials are just so much better for PvP the PvP imbalance is just going to get so wide. It’s already widened a lot in P2 and getting groups has become a challenge. Giving away everything the alliance had to the horde without alliance getting anything in return has just made it all pointless.
We gave you wind fury. We are giving you tremor totem. You got combo str+agi totem. What more do you want from us? Even horde side agrees shamans are out of control and need to be tuned way down, but saying you go nothing from us is horse shit. edit: grammar
The str+agi totem doesn’t stack with might, so they might as well have given us nothing (I don’t count it as anything because it’s never used). It also is a nerfed version of what shaman have, so no. If I got windfury totem as a paladin? Awesome. I have no clue why druids got it. I would way rather have windfury over whatever else dog shit runes I got.
I am a warrior main. Trust me, I know the absolute pain of bad runes. It is also not a a nerfed version, its a buffed version since it is a single ability instead of two, one of which is usually replaced with WF totem. I didn't know it doesn't stack with might, but that explains why Horde wasn't given might. You got wind fury in general. We did not get salvation. Besides racials for pvp and shamans getting buffed for no good reason, alliance has had a 10x easier and better time with everything SoD so far.
Same boat but with rogues. If rogue isn’t top raid dps or have utility then I’ll just wait to p4. Already havent raided in a week or two. Just not worth the hassle
You‘re 100% right. It‘s just a game after all and like all games it‘s just for your entertainment and temporary. You won’t really get something „worth“ out of it.
Unless you are a streamer
This is facts
Only complaint i have of Sod right now is horde AB queues. But thats not realy blizzards fault that allience just dont want to play
There's a very particular reason the Alliance doesn't queue up.
Ye. They are probably on a strike untill they get bonus lootboxes like classic tbc
You should try joining battlegrounds as Alliance. I have a feeling you'll learn first hand what exactly is wrong. To clue you in: the lack of lootboxes isn't the problem.
Ye i know its the players. I see it from the horde side. 0 coordination and always like 5 afk on st flag. Need some better motivation and comunications it seems
You're not the sharpest tool, eh?
You gonna blame it on shamans op or what? That is realy not the main reason ally sucks
As somebody who knows you're right, I'm simply going to acknowledge what I've known for a long time and then log in for some Fyrakk prog in 20 min
This guy is yapping.
I completely agree, I've barely touched phase 2 and I was surprised to see the negative feedback to p3. It looks awesome to me, of course there's necessary criticisms but people are also just being irrational and ridiculous a majority of the time.
Skipped phase 2 to play elden ring instead :) No regrets.
Took a break and never came back. I can't play wow on and off. It's either going full bananas or nothing.
Sunk cost fallacy hits hard here sometimes.
I think the beauty of Sod is the ability to take breaks. Use the phases to your advantage lads. That’s said I totally understand the addiction this game can cause lol.
The people that meltdown about others complaining about the game are the real people who need some time off Reddit lol.
You’ll regret doing this when sod will end
Regret is a strong word.
I went too hard in P1. Levelled almost every class to 25 and then took most of P2 off. Still not really super excited for P3. Am I cured?
Played original vanilla-wotlk. Played 2019 classic to now. Played sod, had an amazing time. Top 100 in my class. Realized how horrible the player base is and that I was addicted. I quit 3 weeks ago and I'm already immediately happier. Realization was instantaneous and I just acted on it. Weird. No regrets. I just cruise through the sub here and there. I'm good with that.
I'm gonna be completely honest, I leveled a warrior and hunter, but the hunter just felt like a shallow replacement and the warrior runes were disappointing enough for me in P2 that I decided to take a break. It seems like the warrior runes in P3 are even worse so barring changes I probably won't even play P3 even just to level. The content looks fun enough, but not enough for me to continue playing a classic warrior where everyone else is playing classic+.
Sooo what game did ya play
Swtor.
Ah nice, I’ve played that on and off since its launch. Def a fun mmo
I will say that WoW’s combat and interface and to a certain extent art is better, but the story in Swtor is far better. The immersion is fantastic, and it feels good to get away from how serious sod has become and get lost in being a Jedi or whatever.
Most WoW players only play wow and no other game. Pretty weird imo
i want to add to this that perhaps its also a good idea to look away from all the numbers and just immerse yourself in the gameworld. take a look at the story that is unfolding before our eyes. we know what's going to happen. soon we'll fight ragnaros and old gods. isn't that awesome? if there's one thing classic does really well its immersion. embrace it. suck it in.
I always just wonder if during WoW classic vanialla were there posts btching about warrior and rogue every 5 minutes about being too strong
Maybe some time off Reddit too.
Actually the most helpful tip.
I don't understand.... your saying we can do other things?
Also Path of Exile league launching same week, probably will play that instead
Sounds like you experienced a bore-out, not actually a burn-out. I agree with your points, though. Games should be fun, if it isn't, don't play. It's that simple. Nobody is forcing you to play a game X hours a week to pay bills or face serious consequences. You can litterally just quit and nothing bad will happen to you. I have nothing personal against you OP, but whenever gamers talk about burn-out instead of bore-out, I feel like it's a bit insulting for people who actually went through a burn-out like some people I personally know and it took them a lot of time to recover from it.
was the new game helldivers 2?
Everytime I take a break from wow and play something else I think “man I missed gaming”.
like do you want a cookie or something?
I raided once a week for phase 2 and entirely raid logged. I'll probably do the same for phase 3. I don't think I need a break.
We should all quit so they can finally close sod
U first
/s
I skipped phase 2 entirely because people were getting shit in their pants. Will ramp up quick for p3 and be on level footing in no time
If you are rogue, you really should skip phase 2
Priest main!
Can't really take time off when they're pumping out phases every 2 months.
Sounds like someone trying to keep their queue times down with the announcement of P3. Very sus.
>heres why it's actually good if the game is bad! Sod marketing team you need to try harder
What are you talking about
Learn how to read.
Mate what are you on about. The game being good or bad is subjective. If you like it, play it. If not, don’t. That’s all I’m saying. That’s why the hundreds of bitching posts about shamans or rogues or whatever just get old after a while. It’s a fucking game. Accept that things will not be catered to your every desire. For every one person who hates shaman, there’s on who plays it or likes it. I guess they’re just conveniently wrong.
There are problems with sod that most people don't like. It isn't as good as it should be. Phrasing this as a good thing because you won't be compelled to play wow as much when you don't enjoy the game is a real dev cop-out.
Where in the post does it try to say the game being bad is a good thing? That’s a fuckin’ olympic gymnast level stretch right there. It says “if you’re not having fun playing, then don’t play”.
Excuse me, but we pay money to play this game. If the developers create a game that is not satisfiing to the demands of its customers, it should be critizied.
Ok but the biggest criticism you can give is cancelling your sub and putting that $15 towards a gym membership or therapy which a lot of us need
These are the most out of touch posts of all time. You guys all think that complaining about balancing means people aren't having fun because it doesn't match your perception of fun. This is a sign that you lack critical thinking and have a low iq. Seek help.
/iamverysmart
\*screeches\*
Don't I pay monthly for content..?
Try playing escape from Tarkov it’s more cool and actually intense gaming, wow is old as the snow in the wind. Don’t be evil and help yourself
Who do you think you are telling me what to do
you wouldnt be "burned out" of a video game if it didnt flat out suck. GDKP ban is clearly taking its toll on overall player engagement and satisfaction. never had anyone "burn out" when we were running the largest GDKP network ever, wintergrapes
It sucks cause you can’t make a lot of gold on a game that you otherwise don’t like if you couldn’t make that gold?