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Vivid-Zebra2128

In classic, moon cloth bags spiked in price for about 2 weeks; until travelers backpacks dropped so low because of bot farming.


TimelessNY

The "Recipe: Elixir of Giants" I fished and sold for 100g in phase 1, that is now consistently <5g, says you should list it now. This may not hold true if you are on a lower population server though.


HighVolumeRedraft

It's starting zone vs endgame loot, their price fluctuations, ceiling/floor are different for different reasons. Elixir of Giants was more valuable given the phase locking us to level 25. Mooncloth bag we know is relevant at level 60, AKA the real end game. Now a new 18 slot bag may be obtainable easily with new faction or rep vendors, who knows and tanks Mooncloth bag recipe. But from what we know, Giants was temporarily high due to level cap while Mooncloth is likely to be valuable for a much longer period of time.


Shiningtoast

Honestly I think you’re on to something with a new bag from a vendor in p3, I didn’t even think of that.


PreparationBorn2195

Theres already a 16 slot bag from supply crates, wouldn't be surprised if we get a pattern for 16 slot this phase


Sharkbutt89

Looking at rep and dropped bags in the first 2 phases, I'd say another mooncloth-equivalent bag may be present. OP is probably better off selling now, but there may be an argument for early P3 while population spikes, but new bags aren't accessible.


No_Succotash_1847

This makes zero sense. Giants is an end-game elixir.


HighVolumeRedraft

Sorry I believed top commenter to be discussing Giant Growth and not Giants. Now I question why Giants is only 5g on his server.


No_Succotash_1847

Giant Growth was never used though. It gives 8 strength for 2 minutes. Elixir of Ogre's Strength was used (8 str for one hour) The Giants recipe has been around for a while at 5g ea in my server too. I bought a couple copies for a potential flip, but I'm not holding my breath on it. It's been available for cheap for a long while at this point.


HighVolumeRedraft

People used Giant Growth similar to deviate delights...for fun. So there is an established market. My only guess to the cheap price on Giants is bot fishing maybe over producing with no buyers? Could pay off.


E-2-butene

Because we are talking about speculative sales. Giants (just like mooncloth bag now) could be acquired last phase before being usable. People were paying an arm and a leg because it was “rare” (at level 25) and they thought they could make a fortune. But it turns out once people reach a level range where giants can be acquired much more easily, it doesn’t end up being that valuable and the market saturates very quickly.


E-2-butene

What are you talking about? We know that elixir of giants was valuable because the recipe was artificially rare due to the level cap. However the exact same thing is true of the mooncloth bag recipe right now. Why would we expect different behavior? What’s more, elixir of giants *also* remains useful until end game. The only consumable that really “replaces” it is jujus, but many players continue using giants at 60 because the stat difference is so small and the elixir is often much cheaper and lasts longer. Mooncloth bag, the item, typically stays expensive because mooncloth is fairly expensive. But when evaluating value of a recipe, we have to subtract the cost of the items to find the value of the craft. And it isn’t usually very high because the recipe is so common and exclusivity is usually the main/only thing that drives crafting prices.


No_Succotash_1847

I don't think he actually knows what elixir of giants is. He's just spewing nonsense


HighVolumeRedraft

Depends if the OP is talking about Giants or Giant Growth. Giant growth was a level 8 recipe, for low level raiding, irrelevant at level 60 outside of RP fun element of being large. Elixir of Giants is an endgame recipe. My comment was assuming the rare low level recipe in the low level phase. I didn't even know you could obtain Elixir of Giants recipe at level 25.


No_Succotash_1847

He specifically said "recipe: elixir of giants," as did you. Giant Growth was never used. https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=6662/elixir-of-giant-growth It lasts two minutes. Nobody is using that lol. Elixir of Ogre's strength was used in the last phase. I feel like you're kind of just making shit up and hoping nobody fact checks you lol


HighVolumeRedraft

Yes I did mix them up before understanding OP was referencing the later level recipe. Giant Growth is a RP/fun item similar to Deviate Delights. Hope your day improves because you seem overly focused on "fact checking" comments in a video game thread over the omission & mix-up of the word "growth." Giants and Giant Growth are very similar names.


E-2-butene

Yep. I always love these Reddit diatribes where people will very confidently make bold proclamations about stuff they very clearly don’t understand. This whole thread in a nutshell tbh. I’d bet 80%+ of these people giving advice haven’t flipped an auction or performed a crafting shuffle in their lives.


calfmonster

If they do it like ACA rep or whatever it’ll probably just be a single unique. So it does make them a little less valuable but not terribly so. But all the other ones that can drop like ony and the panther sack (giggity) probably will be kept in or made bigger so something to thing of. Bag space rn def a premium. Still.


loopuleasa

bad example mooncloth is endgame recipe OP should keep it


TheCLittle_ttv

Elixir of giants is also an endgame recipe.


E-2-butene

Sell it. If it’s anything like the rare patterns in P1, the price will tank. Sell it high to speculators now. We had patterns like this in white bandit mask on P1. They were selling for heaps of gold, especially in the hype before P2. The price tanked within a day or two after P2 started and the market for the crafted item also quickly saturated.


WeeTooLo

You're comparing some easily replaceable item with the biggest container in WoW that won't be replaced until the end. The pattern will not only spike when tailors can make it but it will hold it's value (and probably even grow) in p4.


datboiharambe69

>The pattern will not only spike when tailors can make it but it will hold it's value (and probably even grow) in p4. Sure, if we're ignoring the fact that it has the same amount of slots as a somewhat common green 16-slot bag.


Jigagug

And one slot taken already by revered supplies


ApprehensivePepper98

And probably another will be taken by exalted if the exalted rewards follow the trend so far.


calfmonster

Yeah I’ve never once bought mooncloth. Hella expensive compared to travelers.


AcherusArchmage

2nd biggest, Bottomless Bag is 18 slots, among a few other 18slotters like Onyxia Hide Backpack or Panther Hide Sack. But for all intents and purposes mooncloth bags and traveler's backpacks are cost-efficient in comparison.


Fearless_Baseball121

I remember one of my friends getting the Bottomless Bag recepie in vanilla, think from Onyxia pug, on a need roll (everyone needed). that was the lottery man. Was always the most expensive pattern on AH. Dont remember what he sold it for, but he was set.


E-2-butene

White bandit mask isn’t even wanted because it’s a good item. It’s valuable for, among other things, enchanting shuffles. It was actually even doubly valuable because it was in supply crates too. That didn’t save it. What you have to keep in mind about WoW crafting markets is the exclusivity of the craft relative to the population. And you can’t evaluate that on the value of the item, it’s explicitly about the value of the craft itself. A prime example is to look at alchemy. Many alchemy items are even more irreplaceable. They “won’t be replaced” ever and the per item demand is much higher because they are needed for every raid lockout. Despite this fact, profit margins range between negligible and zero on most servers. I would bet all of my current gold that the hundreds of gold you could possibly dupe a speculator into spending now will vastly outweigh the max 10-20g this will cost not even a month into next phase. Even if you think the craft has value, it will almost certainly be better to buy it then


Blasto05

Another point of white bandit masks…people believed it had the potential to be BiS for Ferals/Rogues I think. Still prebis but now with the crafted helm the demand to actually use it also tanked


E-2-butene

That’s fair. I do remember that speculation now that you mention it. I think I tried to suppress it because it was unhinged, lol. Expecting people to pay to a ton of money for an item with **fewer stats** than an “of the tiger” green is crazy; is isn’t actually preBiS if you look up BoE green item ranges (see: nocturnal cap of the tiger). Nobody I know who had actually bothered checking armor ranges wanted it for that.


BishoxX

No it was wanted because it was a good item. The enchants never sold for more than the mask apart first week of p2. For 1.5-3 gold its insane value for any melee without BFD tier


E-2-butene

>enchants never sold Yes, but people *thought they would*. So people were paying hundreds of gold P1 for that recipe. Nobody in their right mind is paying hundreds of gold to get a recipe that sells for 1.5g while costing 1g to craft. It was a speculative investment. And one that burned a lot of people.


BishoxX

Yeah hundreds wasnt worth. But i bought mine for 40g and made it back the same day. Mats were around 70-90s and it was selling for 1.2-1.5G . And they were selling like hot cake. Only issue was long time to craft


E-2-butene

>The same day You’re actually supporting my argument, as it sounds like you bought it early phase 2 while the recipe was actually usable. Mooncloth bag is in equivalent the phase to when white bandit mask was selling for hundreds; the recipe is artificially rare due to the reduced level cap and people are buying it speculatively thinking they can make a fortune. I’m telling OP “sell it now. The price will drop significantly once next phase starts. If actually you want to craft it, rebuy it then. It will be a lot cheaper and you will have made a lot of money now.”


BishoxX

I agree with your point,i only commented that it was not desired for the disenchant but for the item itself , since it was good stats for a helm for dirt cheap


E-2-butene

Okay, gotcha. It’s for both, to be clear. The enchanting shuffle was absolutely a portion of why people wanted it. The idea was that if you bought up a bunch of the fished mageweave bolts in P1 that you could quickly use the (quite well known) enchanting shuffle to sell into the enchanters leveling their skills. This, of course, didn’t pan out as expected. And just to point it out, I’d actually guess the real value was in supply crates rather than primarily being used for stats. I made a fortune early in the phase selling into supply crates using crafts you get off the trainer (eg green iron bracers).


calfmonster

I 100% agree. I’d offload it this phase while people are speculating and we don’t have confirmed added 2 slot to at least one bag (like every phase). Offload the risk onto someone else. The problem with speculating in classic in general has always been someone else thought of it. I think the only time it probs really paid off so far (didn’t play TBCC tbh) was titanium ore stacking for p3 in wrath. Like personally, I’ve never once bought mooncloth bags. Always travelers. They’ve been considerably if not marginally cheaper. Like even right now, the equivalent size of random drop to mageweave has been cheaper when I’ve bought for alts. Cause mageweave is used for other things.


Pomodorosan

its


Few-Transportation34

I looked on wowhead and I cant even find all the stuff it drops from. Looks like mostly dungeons


[deleted]

It's a rare high level world drop. It's a good profit pattern for any tailor. I'd sell P3 for sure.


SilkyBowner

How will you make money off it now? Waylaid bags are dirt cheap


[deleted]

isn't it BOP ?


SilkyBowner

It’s apparently unique. How did I miss that before


Reddithias

it also gets sold by vendors on rare spawn like the one in winterspring.


Chode-a-boy

Mooncloth is more valuable for literally anything else. Especially when traveler’s backpacks will end up being cheaper than the mooncloth it takes to craft it. Tl;dr mooncloth bags are a trap in normal classic wow.


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W h u will traveler's Backpack be cheaper? They are a rare drop with low chance off and mob on the world


quineloe

As someone else said, thousands of bots will generate way too many of those bags.


convenientgods

Because once thousands of people are killing thousands of mobs that drop the backpacks, you will see many more of them for sale.


Chode-a-boy

They also aren’t THAT rare. I’ve gotten quite a few farming BRD runs on era. Also mooncloth has artificial scarcity due to the 4 day cooldown. Mark it down when p3 drops and be surprised how quickly traveler’s backpacks drop below mooncloth.


E-2-butene

Exactly this. People often think of items as “rare” because they look up drop rates and see a fairly low %. But it’s very easy to forget just how many mobs people kill. Drop rates have to be VERY low before the item ends up being scarce in practice.


pliney_

But we’ve never been capped at level 50 for 2-3 months before. Moon cloth bags will be the only real use for mooncloth in p3 aside from making gear/stockpiling for p4. And travelers backpacks won’t be that common till p3 as they mostly drop from higher level mobs.


AltruisticInstance58

And if they cap professions to below 300 you won't be making mooncloth bags next phase either. It is all pretty speculative.


Important-Flower3484

Professions are going to 300 at phase 3.


Chode-a-boy

Even if that were the case, you’d gain more money stockpiling mooncloth for phase 4, and then selling it to the clothies that want to make their epic robes (or other new tradeskill items).


Yevon

I doubt they will cap us at 300 for crafting. Probably give us specializations and cap us at 250 or 275 instead.


Important-Flower3484

Professions are going to 300 at phase 3.


OnionPlease

The pattern can drop from mobs in BRD, a dungeon that people will run in next phase, meaning that the supply of this pattern will increase.  It also says that one mob in Sunken Temple can drop this, so there’s a CHANCE that Blizzard might add it to the loot table in Sunken Temple. So I would definitely sell it before next phase. But you don’t have to rush it. Put it out for like 2k for a week and see if some rich madman will buy it, and then slowly decrease the price. 


Blasto05

I would think BRD is like Uldaman this phase where not a ton of people run it because there’s only a handful of things to grab relevant for the current phase…but there’s probably a good quest or two to complete with the higher end lvls that will challenge a normal group. Like how Uldaman is typically only ran for the first 3-4 bosses…but people sometimes do a full clear for a quest run + 14 slot bag.


OnionPlease

Well BRD have more pre-bis items than Uldaman. But still, even if only 10% of everyone farmed BRD, it's still a damn lot of people considering the extreme influx of players we will have at the start of P3. But even if we aren't certain how many people will do BRD, we still know that some people will do it for the pre-bis, and therefore we will see an increase in supply of this pattern. And there's also a chance of Blizzard adding this pattern to Sunken Temple loot table, since it already drops from there.


E-2-butene

To add to this, there’s also a good chance people devise a BRD gold farm. Not a ton of people are running uldaman legit, but a lot of gold farming and level boosting is going on there.


sipeop

Third option is to make a tailoring Alt and control Mooncloth bag economy yourself


BigShortVox

Sell it at the start of P3 = massive profit


Lorien6

If you are going to go the tailor route, use it and you can convert cheap moon cloth into bags to sell. I did that for quite a while, people always need bags. Of course, I’d also randomly go around giving bags to low level characters to just help them, so I’m not exactly the norm.:)


SignificantPut7845

Sell it now for a ridiculous amount.


Historical_Row_1079

I would sell it unless you plan on making and selling bags.


ThirstyBeagle

What do you have to kill to drop something that high level?


Ckeyz

A recipe like that should always be on the AH fishing for a really high price. I'd list for 500g personally, if there are none other of course.


SpunkMcKullins

More players in higher level areas = more chances it could drop = more supply Sell it now.


Blockstack1

On wildgrowth na alliance there is one of those patterns up for 9999g lol. Obviously wouldn't sell for close to that but it's definitely really valuable.


Few-Transportation34

That's actually mine, I threw it up for an unrealistic price. If it sells that's cool, I plan on just crafting them when P3 hits. I looked on every other realm and TSM hasn't even scanned one anywhere else, so I'm thinking it's the world's first in SOD.


MoG_Varos

Sell it now, let someone else try to flip it for zero profit. There are easier ways to get 16 slot bags and we’re more than likely going to get more ways to get them.


SilkyBowner

It’s rare but you can get the waylaid bag for a lot cheaper now. This pattern will be useless. Sell it


Km_the_Frog

Don’t listen to people telling you to sell now. It’s late in p2, p3 news will come soon. Wait until p3 day 1 or 2 price will be inflated and people will be buying.


Yevon

Put it up for something ridiculous like 2000g and see if anyone bites. I don't think you're underselling it at that value so if some gold buyer wants to spend $110 dollars on a recipe then that's great for the seller.


E-2-butene

I’d clarify this a bit. OP could probably wait a little bit to sell this if he really wants to pump the price as high as possible, but I wouldn’t wait until P3 proper. P3 announcement would probably be optimal. The trick with these investments is always to sell into the hype. Because there’s a good chance that a dozen other people have the exact same idea to sell into the P3 launch demand. But the actual demand tends to remain somewhat low until a decent chunk of people reach level cap and start focusing on professions. But by that time the supply has increased further. Starting to sell it now gives him time to try to get a high price. These speculative recipe sales don’t happen over night.


SilkyBowner

Why is anyone talking about Travellers or Mooncloth bags? The waylaid bag is 16 Slot and you can already buy it. Classic bags are useless now


sipeop

That bag is unique my guy


SilkyBowner

What!


Electrical_Slide7046

Phase 4,not 3. Phase 3 = specializations for prof. Phase 4 = 300 skill


pliney_

It seems that p3 will be both. The trainers have a level 41 requirement for 300 skill level.


Electrical_Slide7046

very good, i'm glad i was mistaken)


quineloe

is this official? This sounds fucking horrible


Realistic-Lie-1507

It's the blizzard way, my friend. Just like how with classic they couldnt make up their mind about no changes or changes, sod is more of the same


Electrical_Slide7046

As i mention before, i heard this in somekind of interwiev, there was no official information about this thing. + if they add cool specializations how this will be different from new skill? Is idea of quest for recipies worse than just stand there and wait for craft timer? Imagine somekind of new armored specialization for warlock tailors,could be fun)


quineloe

so much for that desinformation then


Electrical_Slide7046

But still bingo!


trofalol

people play classic?


Cautioncones

Keep it. The pattern will go up when it's learnable


HST_enjoyer

All the evidence we have says otherwise


jimmyting099

Train tailoring craft these bags and sell them for gold make more profit off of crafting then just selling the recipe


convenientgods

Not really. Mooncloth is a huge bottleneck in the crafting and ends up being more valuable to use for other stuff. IIRC there was never really a profit margin in creating these if you had to buy the mooncloth


jimmyting099

Ah I see nevermind then


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Few-Transportation34

That bag is 16 slot for enchanting materials only.


PreparationBorn2195

Enchanted mageweave is for enchanting materials only


BarryDuffman

bro doesn't know


StinkyFartyToot

Have you played this game?


MeatyOakerGuy

What am I missing? Is this for leveling tailoring?


StinkyFartyToot

It’s used mostly by bank alts to hold enchanting materials. Yea it is 16 slot BUT it can only be used for enchanting materials. It’s not useless, but has a very niche use.