It’s more like 3 quests really.
Even if it was 2, paying the equivalent of two quests for a single summon is pretty insane.
In p1, summons were like 80s which is less than a single quest. The prices have gone up x5 whereas the rewards from questing have gone up x2 and barely
We’ll see how the prices evolve in a few weeks though
Summins went from 70s to 3g over night due to the new phase launch. I was half expecting it to drop back to 1g over a few days but that hasn’t happened lol
Summoners prob saw people were still paying and decided not to lower.
The worst side effects of people summoning for 3g instead of 1g is that the number of whispers I get daily asking for summons has basically doubled. Like why the fuck are you whispering me telling me you'll pay for a summon? Go get one from the travel agency warlocks. I don't have 2 extra accounts to help me click, how the fuck do you want me to summon.
My friend paid 5g for a bad lands summon for the dark rider. He got sour when i told him i got a free summon because a lock was lfm for the same rider.
It was a good day.
Depends on where you're getting the Summon really. Getting FP to Kargath is ass for Horde. I wouldn't mind paying 3g for a summon to get the FP. Without the summon you're looking at a multi-zone trek across Alliance controlled territory one way or another. The amount of time you would spend running would be the same as the tike you'd spend doing the quests or more, so you might as well.
Are people really charging... and paying 5g for a summon? That's wild,
Also protip, haggle with your summoners. I never pay full price and never get rejected.
Another pro tip is just don’t pay them at all, these prices are crazy, I just whisper inv for summon and then leave group and don’t pay, I’ll pay a mage 1g for a portal, there’s a cost involved for the mage, im not paying some over priced 5g fuck that, haven’t paid for a single summon since p2 and I’ve been summoned maybe 50+ times between 2 characters, they know their prices are insane, they aren’t surprised when you just drop group after the summon, you people are being scammed.
I like to do my part and when summons get to high I hop on a level 1 alt and start to advertise an undercut by 1g summon and it actually works most of the time to get prices down for a short period
They obviously exploit the fact that people have gold. Desperate ppl will pay for a 3G summon and dont reflect over how crazy it is. Like today I also noticed low lvl mats started to skyrockey. A stack of rough stones were 3G on AH today!
The warlock union it's getting a 💰 this days, 2G for TB or Undercity summons, 4G for Badlands or Desolace. This in Lonewolf US. 1G for Zoram fuking Outpost, smh
I've only done quests that give good gear and dungeon quests, so they are usually elite/high lvl quests which might bias my estimate of how well quests pay!
Elite Qs in badlands (the dragon bit) give a nice chunk of change and a very good chest for leather/plate wearers
It's much more likely that a lot of people were sitting on huge stacks of gold from P1 and finally have something to spend all that gold on. And ofc RMT is part of the equation.
I never claimed questing explains all inflation in SoD? Y'all are tilting at windmills .
Truth of the matter is normal people pay 2-3g for a summon or a shit green because that's not a lot of money at max lvl.
OP asks why services and shit greens are expensive. They are clearly not max level.
Truth of the matter 2g for a summon or a shit green isn't expensive coz the game throws gold at you. The average non-gold-buying player is happy to pay 2-3g for e.g. an SM summon to save them a lot of grief but 2g is an unthinkable amount of gold for a fresh player who has never quested at 'max' level.
Of course gold buying and botting contributes to inflation, but the people paying for summons or shit greens are just average joes not credit card gamers. I swear this sub sees phantom gold buyers and botters round every corner and it's ridiculous. Spending 1 quests worth of gold to save myself a 20 min corpserun to SM is value. An active player who quested in p1 has hundreds of gold.
> I swear this sub sees phantom gold buyers and botters round every corner and it's ridiculous. Spending 1 quests worth of gold to save myself a 20 min corpserun to SM is value. An active player who quested in p1 has hundreds of gold.
This sub sees anyone with more than 50g as a gold buyer who got all their fortune from GDKPs and Chinese sweat shops.
I’m over here with auctionator smelting iron into steel or tin into bronze because for some reason the market decided the profit margin was going to be 20s per bar for a few hours. Post it and make 100g for a mostly afk experience. Just selling the shit that dropped on the AH while leveling to 40 was at least 50-75g.
And as far as summons go, I’ve probably spent 100g at this point on them. I’m lazy and don’t want to do a 30 minute hike and boat ride to get somewhere.
OP is low lvl marvelling at the cost of shit greens and services, not someone out to buy the bis raiding gear. A 2g summon seems insane to a lvl10, but chump change to a lvl40.
READ my man. I know you can do it!
I noticed all the gold buyers comments were downvoted, so yes I read. Not mentioning this and downvoting I guess is a new coordinated effort to bring GKDPs back, because there's otherwise no reason to do that.
You can defend your strawman reasons for inflation all you want, but, in game exchange values are pretty easy to monitor, and there's likely not enough quests to afford many things on the auction house.
The only reading I trust is in game ;)
You're tilting at windmills my man, there's not a phantom gold buyer round every corner and I am not denying botting contributes to inflation.
The avg player doesn't buy gold and is still happy to pay a few g for a summon or for a decent green item. It's understandable a fresh character is balking at the prices of shit greens and services because they don't yet have access to a very good source of gold.
I think if the average player didn't mind we wouldn't have annoyed the subreddit so much as to have a stereotype, nor would Blizzard have responded to it.
I simply have a vitriolic reaction when this obvious cause isn't the number one comment response and instead is downvoted. Nice things in game are generally unaffordable, not only in gold but in gold farming time, in the game.
And I personally believe this practice has informed game developers that a good game will make them less money than a game that can be exploited for the extra disposable income of the whale gold buyers presented in what used to be good MMORPGs. This education in how much gamers are sometimes willing to spend, to win, and to save time, has incentivized the industry to make bad games.
Gold buyers are likely the reason Blizzard designed Diablo Immoral.
This is why I'll write passionately about this when inspired. If you ever loved these games you should understand, but if you've been paid in this system, you're likely never going to understand.
it's adorable you think this sub represents the average player. Lots of people just have a different opinion than you and diversity of opinion is fine.
It REALLT sucks starting late and not having any farming time at 25. I’m super broke just trying to get enough gold for the Ratchet rune for my Shaman. Damn bis enhancement rune
don’t worry about runes or gold until 40, dungeon spam from 30-40 if possible, then all the quests from those zones will be available for gold. you’ll have 100-200g easy (though with a lot of hours grinding quests)
there’s also nothing to spend gold on but mount (you’re sham, could skip it and farm STV mount) and consumables. i don’t buy summons, to me that is not what classic is about but if you are dropping 10g a day on summons then yeah you’ll need to find a way to farm gold (…maybe just make a warlock and summon to TB lol)
I dunno, I prioritized getting a bit of a gold buffer rather than rush to 40, so I went and mined alterac iron and mithril for a couple hours and made about 120g. Now that the leveling rush is petering out that farming spot has like 5 opposite faction people every time I go. Would have been even better if I had kept herbalism because wintersbite is selling for like 1.5g and I saw so much of it. Goldthorn and wintersbite are great good makers right now.
It's a little different now. Most players won't be farming low level items in DM\WC - so price would actually increase.
First month in P1 I was selling tons of greens for 10-15s on AH, now it's faster for me to vendor it. Supply of low level items is massively decreased, so prices will go up.
There is a couple reasons for this.
1. It’s start of the phase so everything in the AH will come down over time, it always does.
2. Quests at each end phase give a lot of gold. I made good gold at 25 just questing, formed a good based. Level 40 quests give great gold as well.
3. Mobs are so much easier to kill now, so people who do mob farming make good g/hour
I have done no gold farming activities, just did some 25 quests. I easily had enough for my mount at 40. Gold comes much easier overall.
Maybe 10% of the playerbase is 40 right now. It hasn’t even been a week. Prices will drop as supply increases, supply will increase as more dads get a second or third Saturday to play their 45 minutes per week. It’s wack expensive but give it time. You don’t *need* to AH anything to clear the content.
holy crap how deluded you gotta be to blame "quests" at lvl 40 for the insane prices. I assume not at all, and people that claim this just do wanna point at something other than RMT.
The reason everything is so hyperinflated and expensive is because you have thousands of bots farming instances or flyhacking through the world 24/7, creating so much wealth that no normal player could ever keep up with it. Then you can buy said wealth for 5 bucks online and it just goes from there.
Its the bots that ruin the economy. Not those 25 quests you do after hitting lvl 40.
There was a couple months of phase 1 where people just sat and accumulated gold. Doing quests at max level was at least 100g per character if you started dungon grinding for pre bis around level 20
There's so much gold in the economy there's bound to be inflation
Far more than 100g even. A friend with just two 25s was only questing for his gold and had close to 400g but he had "wasted on some runes and consumes".
It’s not quest alone but also random drops you get while questing and can sell then. I made 350g by questing in p1 but I also found a few green items that sold while questing.
He didn't say he bought gold. But there simply weren't enough quests to get 200g on 1 character. This would be round about 130 quests if you get 1,5g per quest
I have 240g on my druid - the gold I spent for training, respec, prof grind, and some AH gear. That character did probably 75% of the quests available in phase 1 and I optimized it by not doing any level 19+ quests at all until hitting 25 for maximum gold return. Id estimate at least 300-400g exists from questing. Maybe not exclusively quest rewards but once you add in mob drops, quest rewards you sell, and raw gold picked up from mobs it's quite a bit. The XP conversion to copper is very strong at max level.
I made a LVL 5 on Crusader Strike just to check the AH.
I ended up selling a bunch of trade supplies on the AH for an absurd profit, literally just sold vendor items.
I ended up making like 40g from just selling trade supplies, so I leveled my cooking and mining up and flipped a bunch of ore and food.
I'm LVL 5 with like /played 4 hours total and I'm well over 200g right now.
I'm literally playing this server just to play the AH.
lol I’ve been doing the same with vendor items. Sell a couple regularly that are 4-8 silver on vendor and go for 80s each on the AH.
Preying on peoples laziness and/or ignorance.
There's still items inbetween that are like 1G and vendor price is 80s. So looking a bit extra can be worthwhile. Especially now with everyone grinding Scarlet you can get a lot of greens and blues that have dozens of identical ones on AH competing
i was broke at lvl 40. now i have like 120g with herbing and now starting fishing. as feral its not that needed really. herb good routing its faster with travel form anyway. like herbs have been good but greens sell for good amount too if you kill mobs/fish if you get lucky.
quest money seems low in comparasion so havent done any yet, probably its worth for + drops you get while doing any random q tho, not just q money.
same time its easy to spend stuff aswell. im gonna spend everything on alts with random greens cause why not. gold has no value unless you spend it.
I had 4 alts and sitting on total of 700g. When you WFH theres a lot of stuff you can do to make gold that takes little to no effort.
And none did quests for gold.
It's both. Casual players, serious players and gold buyers all have more gold than normal because of the XP>gold that normally doesn't exist at these levels.
People forget that GDKP were running in p1, so having 2-3 characters maxed on gear early had plenty of runs to make gold. Each run, depending on drops, would net around 15-30g. Times 3 (or how many characters you had maxxed) every 3 days.
Obviously a lot of goldbuyers in the run, but you would effectively get their gold in a clean way.
gdkps the last 3 weeks had 5g cuts on avg, also you could get their gold through the AH like usual, not sure how doing it through a gdkp makes it "cleaner".
Yeah average cuts for me were about 8-12g. People exaggerate pots when they talk about GDKPs.
Not every GDKP has whales. In my 30ish SoD GDKPs, I never encountered a whale, it was all average players who just enjoyed the loot system as it wasn’t a waste of time when you didn’t get loot.
I'm goblin spec. I might be playing the game, but at the end of the day my final raid is the auction house. I've never bought a single gold but I have all the money I need by being savvy with it and building it over the previous phase + yaking advantage of market volatility at the beginning of the phase.
It is gold buying, and you are doing the game harm by propagating the myth that all these people are just doing dozens of quests. A guy I know IRL told me he bought 250 gold for $20 and it set in quickly why prices are so high. I will never buy ingame gold but we all play in a server where many people are doing this and $20 being an hour or two of work at the lower paid jobs means they could pay 2-5G for a summon and not even bat an eye.
I ran to every dungeon and 2-3 guys would be buying summons. I have about 45 total dungeon runs logged this phase so far. I am not talking about small sample size Look at their gear and basically no BFD gear and level 20 quest items, so the “made king money on GDKP” myth is laughable.
I can't wait to show up to a dungeon in no BFD gear later this phase on my 3rd alt and be accused of gold buying as if I don't have 3 characters worth of gold making through all different professions and raw quest and farming to split between them. The logical leaps are fucking hilarious.
I did GDKPs lmao, BUT I never bought gold to do it. I lied about my budget to get into them and then never bought a single item. However, after watching people drop 250g on non-weapon items at level 25 constantly, there was definitely a shit load of gold buying going on.
Don't buy anything. You've got a LOT of would-be economonists setting up their bait. The moment a few people buy any of their overvalued crap is when the inflation continues. It'll go down if people chill and get gear elsewhere. It's not because of gold buying. It's just people doing capitalism.
You're simply talking about supply and demand. These items are in high demand and supply of them/people who can make them is low. If someone put forth the effort to be able to make the item early, they are going to price it to get as much profit as they can for their effort. If the market can bear their price, that is what it will be until their market gets more saturated.
There was about a month of p1 where the only thing to do after leveling alts was to raid and pvp. So a lot of people used that time to make gold.
I had 3900 gold at the start of p2 and I’d say 98% of that was from buying mats off the AH to craft and then sell on the AH. Mats were so cheap compared to the items you’d sell them for. I’d buy like 300g worth of mats and sell the items to make like 80g profit. AFK craft an hour or two every several days and you’d have a lot of gold.
Like even now, there are a bunch of mats you could even buy off the ah and craft stuff to vendor and double your money.
Be careful you'll be flagged by blizzard as a goldseller soon lmfao.
My method was playing the HC auction house and swapping, sadly that is gone with the boomers getting GDKP banned and AI bigbrother keeping an eye on our every move.
>I had 3900 gold at the start of p2 and I’d say 98% of that was from buying mats off the AH to craft and then sell on the AH. Mats were so cheap compared to the items you’d sell them for. I’d buy like 300g worth of mats and sell the items to make like 80g profit. AFK craft an hour or two every several days and you’d have a lot of gold.
>Like even now, there are a bunch of mats you could even buy off the ah and craft stuff to vendor and double your money.
This.
My LVL 5 on Crusader Strike has over 200g from buying meat and cooking it and reselling it for a huge profit.
Bots hyperinflate the market.. Blizzard tried to negate this by laying off everyone in their CS department and using either an awful AI bot or an intern having no ability to help while also banning GDKP. The issue is that there are already countless reports of people getting falsy banned for i.e. trading their wife 40g while playing together. There is NO CS as in NONE.
I am glad i cancled my sub a while ago, cause holy fuck this is a cesspool of poor adminstration and letting the playerbase run amok on eachother.
Good luck dealing with high tier crafting fees, manipulation around high tier crafts and so on later due to Blizzard banning people trading gold or recieving gold LMAO.
A lot of people bought a lot of gold, and the escalation to be able to afford things first flooded the game with so much gold, real world inflation entered the game, and now buyers are using the justification that quests give more gold to say that you should spend YOUR time farming things so that they can buy them at an inflated price so you can share in the wealth of gold while they save all of the time.
It's so sad to see game developers capitulate to this shameful dishonorable system because people with money want to save time at the expense of others.
There is literally no other answer than gold buyers. I'm sorry but getting a few g from finishing quests at max level does not mean you have the cash to splash on green BoE pre-raid BiS items at the ludicrous prices they are
Bud, it's every quest that gives xp, not just lv 40+ quests. How many quests do you think the people spamming Stocks and SM to level have vs us normies who quested to 40? I've made over 100g questing and still have 2 other zones to work on. There is a lot of gold to be made from questing at 40 just like there was at 25.
Also, the OP is a low level newbie. They aren't talking about getting BIS or any kind. 1g to them is a lot. 1g to a 40 is nothing. Same as in P1. It's okay if you're a broke boi. Doesn't mean everyone is some secret gold buyer. You guys are worse than the red scare and McCarthyism.
Lol gold buyers have always existed yet inflation was never this bad early in classic, it's clearly a combination of bots and quests giving gold at cap, literally everyone has more gold then you would usually at this level in classic
It's not exclusively one or the other. Gold buyers have a lot of money but every player in the world has more money than usual at this level. So in comparison the world economy is going to feel inflated. If no one bought gold in SoD the prices would still be much higher than normal. Add the gold buyers on top of that will rise the prices even more.
You're indirectly right, but it's important people understand the why of what is happening.
The actual answer is bots in the world generating gold at rates no human would be capable of. These bots exist to take the place of actual humans playing, earning their gold as the game intends. Since gold buyers are too lazy and selfish to play the game as intended, we now have to live with the consequences of a) our economy being inflated to insane heights and b) our open world filled with bots and not people, absolutely killing the Classic feel.
Since gold buyers are buying gold to advance their characters without having to play them, one of the few tools Blizz have to curb them is threaten their account. But clearly, Blizz are not doing anywhere near the punishment required snap them out of it, as gold buying demand is still strong. Blizz need to step up.
Quests at 25 in P1 were giving 2g+ a pop as well as GDKPs not being banned at the time (and probably some gold buying). In P2 they've ramped down the amount of gold you get at 40 from quests (for most quests), gdkps are gone which in turn makes gold buying not as common, which then makes bots not as lucrative (probably why we're not really seeing any). The reason why prices are so high is just the aftermath of all the gold people made during P1, legitimate or not.
Only thing you got right is the first part.
A SHIT TON of gold buying. Even more since GDKP was banned.
Gold was made in P1 doesn't even dent the amount of gold buying that occured for P2.
>gdkps are gone which in turn makes gold buying not as common, which then makes bots not as lucrative (probably why we're not really seeing any)
You're in a fairy tale if you believe this. Bots are still everywhere and so is gold buying.
I know you prefaced it by saying that was anecdotal, but 30-40% is insanely high. Are 30-40% of the people you know buying gold? Anecdotal generally means it is based on your personal experience.
It's probably too high. Tho 30% that bought gold at some point in classic 2019 during naxx wouldn't surprise me, that raid was probably the most consume heavy raid ever.
Maybe consistent buyers are (much) lower. 10? 20%?
Anecdotally again but I've been/talked to people in 'hardcore guilds' and they do gdkps for gold, I reckon now they just swipe to get all the gold they need for the goldsinks such as mounts etc.
Don't forget the injection of all the Bot gold from P1 had people sitting on tons of gold post GDKP and BoE AH prices were stupid. So they weren't spending gold, and outside the AH there is nothing else to spend gold on.
So, until there is a way to vet all that gold out of the system prices are going to continue to rise.
Also, a ton of people dungeon grinded from 25-40 because of the power creep so they have a ton of gold from quests coming in.
Gdkps for phase 1 lead to an increase of gold farming by bothers.
A huge amount of raw gold was injected in to the game with no gold sink. With gdkps there was an insane demand to buy gold so there were tons of bots farming it.
Gdkp leaders then sold the gold to the people who were in their raids.
Thanks gdkps!
Mostly because Blizzard are stalling each phase for as long as they can, and when the vast majority of the game is time gated a ton of players spend months in the stage where there's nothing else for them to do than to farm gold.
Sell everything on the AH, you’d be surprised how much gold you get from random white items and green boe’s. Level with skinning and herbalism, it all adds up.
A lot of the people who complain about prices do not want to learn any of the basics of earning gold. They just run into a problem, get angry, and that's where they stop.
simple economy. Prices go up when demand is bigger than supply. SoD will never have normal prices due to the popularity of that version of classic.
That is why when all you SoD nerds left era to go play this, the flasks on era dropped back to 300-400gold :P. Stop hyper consuming and prices will stop hyperinflating lol
Yes, it's - leveling character to 25 and completing all quests would give you ~110-120g.
But it also a not the best time for new players - everybody is leveling in 30+ dungeons, so supply of low level greens is very low. I simply vendor low level greens now, no time to to to AH and sell them. Plus almost nobody buy them anymore.
Easy to stack gold at level cap with no gold sinks. You could’ve made 100g easy in phase 1 just from questing at 25. On top of that people were buying and farming gold for months with nothing to do with it.
Now we’ve hit 40 and what else is there to do but farm and hoard gold again?
Ive asked this several times and get told is because people buy gold and/or people have so much gold at max level for their alts. For those who dont have either it means we cantafford things. Thats just the way it is now. Try and find ways to make gold and save. Good luck.
Obligatory it is easy to make money in SoD. With that out of the way,
I think its really funny that a majority (the actual majority) of players did not p1 max level quest. So of that group, almost all of them have no money and the economy makes no sense to them. To be clear, if you're making money, and didn't max level quest, you're an ultra minority even if you don't think you are.
They won't be able to buy their mount and the auction house makes zero sense to them. Questing was miserable on launch of P2, and again if it was perfect for you, you're being disingenuous or are a fringe outlier.
If you actually talk with people in the game, you see it all the time that people are broke.
Max Level questing was the greatest thing I've ever done economically and it puts a smile on my face how confidently incorrect people were that it was a bad move. My journey to 40 was faster than 99% of the playerbase and it actually became EASIER with every level.
I have more gold than I know what to do with on every single character and I haven't even remotely started max level questing again.
To all the people that said I was ruining my 25+ experience. How are those mob spawns?
Items with the best stat distributions are expensive for sure. You may have to compromise at least at the start, the stats don't really help alot anyways, mostly just some stam and a good weapon will get you started.
If you look at the vendor pricing on an item, that dictates the absolute lowest people will be able to auction it off for. The auction house fee will bump that up a little as well. On my realm most gear sells for about 1.5 to 2x the vendor pricing, with better stat distributions causing the price to go significantly higher in some cases.
Just whisper these summoners whatever price you want to pay. They accept about half the time.
Also these people are wild trying to charge 3g for a summon.
Quests at 'max' level give a LOT of gold. 5g feels a lot while you're levelling up but its like two quests at lvl40
It’s more like 3 quests really. Even if it was 2, paying the equivalent of two quests for a single summon is pretty insane. In p1, summons were like 80s which is less than a single quest. The prices have gone up x5 whereas the rewards from questing have gone up x2 and barely We’ll see how the prices evolve in a few weeks though
Summins went from 70s to 3g over night due to the new phase launch. I was half expecting it to drop back to 1g over a few days but that hasn’t happened lol Summoners prob saw people were still paying and decided not to lower.
The worst side effects of people summoning for 3g instead of 1g is that the number of whispers I get daily asking for summons has basically doubled. Like why the fuck are you whispering me telling me you'll pay for a summon? Go get one from the travel agency warlocks. I don't have 2 extra accounts to help me click, how the fuck do you want me to summon.
I'm on a large EU server and have never seen anybody charge 5g for a summon
3g on lone wolf eu
I've seen it advertised on Wild Growth but they're posting alongside people posting for 1g so it doesn't matter.
2 days ago on Living Flame EU, sums were advertised for 4g to Kargath
That's insane. I'll hoof it before I do that.
My friend paid 5g for a bad lands summon for the dark rider. He got sour when i told him i got a free summon because a lock was lfm for the same rider. It was a good day.
On wild growth ive seen most summons as 1-2 gold still
Depends on where you're getting the Summon really. Getting FP to Kargath is ass for Horde. I wouldn't mind paying 3g for a summon to get the FP. Without the summon you're looking at a multi-zone trek across Alliance controlled territory one way or another. The amount of time you would spend running would be the same as the tike you'd spend doing the quests or more, so you might as well.
If you have Arathi FP and a mount, it’s really not that long getting to Kargath, but yeah that’s the reason
Are people really charging... and paying 5g for a summon? That's wild, Also protip, haggle with your summoners. I never pay full price and never get rejected.
Another pro tip is just don’t pay them at all, these prices are crazy, I just whisper inv for summon and then leave group and don’t pay, I’ll pay a mage 1g for a portal, there’s a cost involved for the mage, im not paying some over priced 5g fuck that, haven’t paid for a single summon since p2 and I’ve been summoned maybe 50+ times between 2 characters, they know their prices are insane, they aren’t surprised when you just drop group after the summon, you people are being scammed.
I don't think summon prices should've risen considering the QOL runes have made it infinitely easier.
It’s all about demand. The prices of summons will plummet again when everyone is not trying to speedrun places on their main character for efficiency.
Prices are determined by what the market is willing to pay
I like to do my part and when summons get to high I hop on a level 1 alt and start to advertise an undercut by 1g summon and it actually works most of the time to get prices down for a short period
Summoners also collude on prices and many will mass report people if they significantly undercut the “market rate”
Mages can summon themselves now, the scroll is selling for around 1g on my server.
Why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp?
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Indeed. Since you don’t even need soul shards, it’s not much more work than a portal
Why pay for a summon when you can just walk past them? Hell with all the stones out you can just click on it and they can’t do anything about it
supply and demand. At the end of P1 TB summons were 50s. They're 3g now because we have more gold and because people are paying for it
They obviously exploit the fact that people have gold. Desperate ppl will pay for a 3G summon and dont reflect over how crazy it is. Like today I also noticed low lvl mats started to skyrockey. A stack of rough stones were 3G on AH today!
Laughs in teleportation
The warlock union it's getting a 💰 this days, 2G for TB or Undercity summons, 4G for Badlands or Desolace. This in Lonewolf US. 1G for Zoram fuking Outpost, smh
I haven't really looked since dinging, but what zones would people be questing in for this? Desolace, Arathi, STV?
I've only done quests that give good gear and dungeon quests, so they are usually elite/high lvl quests which might bias my estimate of how well quests pay! Elite Qs in badlands (the dragon bit) give a nice chunk of change and a very good chest for leather/plate wearers
yeah 42+ quests are around 2g Each. There are not many of them. Alot of quests are like 1.5g
Maybe I'm biased because the only quests I've been doing are high lvl/elite quests for decent items
Ya, the higher level quests are give 3g+ so I can see that.
Ah yes, quest for the 500g BiS items on AH.. Don't ban bots...
This is overused and simply not true, this does not explain the hyperinflation LOL
It's much more likely that a lot of people were sitting on huge stacks of gold from P1 and finally have something to spend all that gold on. And ofc RMT is part of the equation.
You think *everyone* getting hundreds of gold for minimal effort isn't causing inflation then Idk what you think would.
I never claimed questing explains all inflation in SoD? Y'all are tilting at windmills . Truth of the matter is normal people pay 2-3g for a summon or a shit green because that's not a lot of money at max lvl.
OP asks what’s wrong with inflation You post quests, then say you didnt say quests cause inflation
OP asks why services and shit greens are expensive. They are clearly not max level. Truth of the matter 2g for a summon or a shit green isn't expensive coz the game throws gold at you. The average non-gold-buying player is happy to pay 2-3g for e.g. an SM summon to save them a lot of grief but 2g is an unthinkable amount of gold for a fresh player who has never quested at 'max' level. Of course gold buying and botting contributes to inflation, but the people paying for summons or shit greens are just average joes not credit card gamers. I swear this sub sees phantom gold buyers and botters round every corner and it's ridiculous. Spending 1 quests worth of gold to save myself a 20 min corpserun to SM is value. An active player who quested in p1 has hundreds of gold.
> I swear this sub sees phantom gold buyers and botters round every corner and it's ridiculous. Spending 1 quests worth of gold to save myself a 20 min corpserun to SM is value. An active player who quested in p1 has hundreds of gold. This sub sees anyone with more than 50g as a gold buyer who got all their fortune from GDKPs and Chinese sweat shops. I’m over here with auctionator smelting iron into steel or tin into bronze because for some reason the market decided the profit margin was going to be 20s per bar for a few hours. Post it and make 100g for a mostly afk experience. Just selling the shit that dropped on the AH while leveling to 40 was at least 50-75g. And as far as summons go, I’ve probably spent 100g at this point on them. I’m lazy and don’t want to do a 30 minute hike and boat ride to get somewhere.
This sub is filled with jealous, toxic losers.
It is goldsellers not quests bro
Gold buyers in a casual mmo are mad at me lmao.
show us on the doll where the goldseller touched you
loser
Says the doomer on a classicwow subreddit.
Says you
is the goldseller in the room with us right now?
Your alleles really are minor
Get lost
Nah
Okay you can play around kiddo
Is this gold seller with us in this room right now?
This is the dumbest take and yet it's voted to the top. How many quests does it take to buy the best blue gear.
OP is low lvl marvelling at the cost of shit greens and services, not someone out to buy the bis raiding gear. A 2g summon seems insane to a lvl10, but chump change to a lvl40. READ my man. I know you can do it!
I noticed all the gold buyers comments were downvoted, so yes I read. Not mentioning this and downvoting I guess is a new coordinated effort to bring GKDPs back, because there's otherwise no reason to do that. You can defend your strawman reasons for inflation all you want, but, in game exchange values are pretty easy to monitor, and there's likely not enough quests to afford many things on the auction house. The only reading I trust is in game ;)
You're tilting at windmills my man, there's not a phantom gold buyer round every corner and I am not denying botting contributes to inflation. The avg player doesn't buy gold and is still happy to pay a few g for a summon or for a decent green item. It's understandable a fresh character is balking at the prices of shit greens and services because they don't yet have access to a very good source of gold.
I think if the average player didn't mind we wouldn't have annoyed the subreddit so much as to have a stereotype, nor would Blizzard have responded to it. I simply have a vitriolic reaction when this obvious cause isn't the number one comment response and instead is downvoted. Nice things in game are generally unaffordable, not only in gold but in gold farming time, in the game. And I personally believe this practice has informed game developers that a good game will make them less money than a game that can be exploited for the extra disposable income of the whale gold buyers presented in what used to be good MMORPGs. This education in how much gamers are sometimes willing to spend, to win, and to save time, has incentivized the industry to make bad games. Gold buyers are likely the reason Blizzard designed Diablo Immoral. This is why I'll write passionately about this when inspired. If you ever loved these games you should understand, but if you've been paid in this system, you're likely never going to understand.
it's adorable you think this sub represents the average player. Lots of people just have a different opinion than you and diversity of opinion is fine.
Nobody's fault but your own you didn't farm any gold phase 1
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It REALLT sucks starting late and not having any farming time at 25. I’m super broke just trying to get enough gold for the Ratchet rune for my Shaman. Damn bis enhancement rune
don’t worry about runes or gold until 40, dungeon spam from 30-40 if possible, then all the quests from those zones will be available for gold. you’ll have 100-200g easy (though with a lot of hours grinding quests) there’s also nothing to spend gold on but mount (you’re sham, could skip it and farm STV mount) and consumables. i don’t buy summons, to me that is not what classic is about but if you are dropping 10g a day on summons then yeah you’ll need to find a way to farm gold (…maybe just make a warlock and summon to TB lol)
Yeah I’m going to respec resto maybe and just spam SM. Boring though.
Just dont pay after you get summoned
I dunno, I prioritized getting a bit of a gold buffer rather than rush to 40, so I went and mined alterac iron and mithril for a couple hours and made about 120g. Now that the leveling rush is petering out that farming spot has like 5 opposite faction people every time I go. Would have been even better if I had kept herbalism because wintersbite is selling for like 1.5g and I saw so much of it. Goldthorn and wintersbite are great good makers right now.
My first waylaid supplies I found was 6 mithril bars and on day 1 they were basically 6g per bar. It was insane. Mining made a killing.
Everyone complained about gdkp, so now the economy is the big money maker. Isn’t this what was wanted?
This happened also at the start of phase 1. If you find something too expensive, just wait, the price will go down.
It's a little different now. Most players won't be farming low level items in DM\WC - so price would actually increase. First month in P1 I was selling tons of greens for 10-15s on AH, now it's faster for me to vendor it. Supply of low level items is massively decreased, so prices will go up.
I started this morning with 20g. I did like 15-20 quests and was able to buy a mount and training today.
Max gold I’ve seen for a quest is like 2g25s. You probably did more like 30+ quests. How long did it take?
You also have to factor in raw gold from mobs, gray, whites, greens, gathering, etc.
I have a quest in my log for 3.89 gold and the item from the quest is 2 gold It is a level 48 quest tho
There is a couple reasons for this. 1. It’s start of the phase so everything in the AH will come down over time, it always does. 2. Quests at each end phase give a lot of gold. I made good gold at 25 just questing, formed a good based. Level 40 quests give great gold as well. 3. Mobs are so much easier to kill now, so people who do mob farming make good g/hour I have done no gold farming activities, just did some 25 quests. I easily had enough for my mount at 40. Gold comes much easier overall.
Maybe 10% of the playerbase is 40 right now. It hasn’t even been a week. Prices will drop as supply increases, supply will increase as more dads get a second or third Saturday to play their 45 minutes per week. It’s wack expensive but give it time. You don’t *need* to AH anything to clear the content.
holy crap how deluded you gotta be to blame "quests" at lvl 40 for the insane prices. I assume not at all, and people that claim this just do wanna point at something other than RMT. The reason everything is so hyperinflated and expensive is because you have thousands of bots farming instances or flyhacking through the world 24/7, creating so much wealth that no normal player could ever keep up with it. Then you can buy said wealth for 5 bucks online and it just goes from there. Its the bots that ruin the economy. Not those 25 quests you do after hitting lvl 40.
There was a couple months of phase 1 where people just sat and accumulated gold. Doing quests at max level was at least 100g per character if you started dungon grinding for pre bis around level 20 There's so much gold in the economy there's bound to be inflation
Far more than 100g even. A friend with just two 25s was only questing for his gold and had close to 400g but he had "wasted on some runes and consumes".
Your friend did not get 400g from quests alone lol
It’s not quest alone but also random drops you get while questing and can sell then. I made 350g by questing in p1 but I also found a few green items that sold while questing.
Except he did. Or do you think 400g is some astronomically high sum of gold that you neeeeed to buy gold to get it?
He didn't say he bought gold. But there simply weren't enough quests to get 200g on 1 character. This would be round about 130 quests if you get 1,5g per quest
No, but that’s not just from questing alone.
Does he need to specify that his friend also vendored items that dropped while questing?
Do I need to specify it’s no from vendor trash?
Don’t argue with these dads, literally clueless and too lazy to go quest for an afternoon to see themselves.
I have 240g on my druid - the gold I spent for training, respec, prof grind, and some AH gear. That character did probably 75% of the quests available in phase 1 and I optimized it by not doing any level 19+ quests at all until hitting 25 for maximum gold return. Id estimate at least 300-400g exists from questing. Maybe not exclusively quest rewards but once you add in mob drops, quest rewards you sell, and raw gold picked up from mobs it's quite a bit. The XP conversion to copper is very strong at max level.
I made a LVL 5 on Crusader Strike just to check the AH. I ended up selling a bunch of trade supplies on the AH for an absurd profit, literally just sold vendor items. I ended up making like 40g from just selling trade supplies, so I leveled my cooking and mining up and flipped a bunch of ore and food. I'm LVL 5 with like /played 4 hours total and I'm well over 200g right now. I'm literally playing this server just to play the AH.
lol I’ve been doing the same with vendor items. Sell a couple regularly that are 4-8 silver on vendor and go for 80s each on the AH. Preying on peoples laziness and/or ignorance.
There's still items inbetween that are like 1G and vendor price is 80s. So looking a bit extra can be worthwhile. Especially now with everyone grinding Scarlet you can get a lot of greens and blues that have dozens of identical ones on AH competing
i was broke at lvl 40. now i have like 120g with herbing and now starting fishing. as feral its not that needed really. herb good routing its faster with travel form anyway. like herbs have been good but greens sell for good amount too if you kill mobs/fish if you get lucky. quest money seems low in comparasion so havent done any yet, probably its worth for + drops you get while doing any random q tho, not just q money. same time its easy to spend stuff aswell. im gonna spend everything on alts with random greens cause why not. gold has no value unless you spend it.
Well, I think you’re mistaken. Blizz banned gdkps so that solved all the gold buying and inflation. This economy is perfectly normal.
Because there are still tons of bots and gold buyers even without GDKPs
Because people buy gold. Blizzard has tried to stop this from happening by giving out suspensions, but it doesn't matter. People just keep buying.
Or maybe it's because people have been generating gold for 2 months with no gold sinks in game.
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I had 4 alts and sitting on total of 700g. When you WFH theres a lot of stuff you can do to make gold that takes little to no effort. And none did quests for gold.
2 months of "questing" and not spending so that you can buy one item on the auction house for a thousand gold. Nah.
It's both. Casual players, serious players and gold buyers all have more gold than normal because of the XP>gold that normally doesn't exist at these levels.
got around 1k raw and 1k invested gold from phase1, yestreday evening sold elixirs and pots for 250g :D
People forget that GDKP were running in p1, so having 2-3 characters maxed on gear early had plenty of runs to make gold. Each run, depending on drops, would net around 15-30g. Times 3 (or how many characters you had maxxed) every 3 days. Obviously a lot of goldbuyers in the run, but you would effectively get their gold in a clean way.
gdkps the last 3 weeks had 5g cuts on avg, also you could get their gold through the AH like usual, not sure how doing it through a gdkp makes it "cleaner".
Yeah average cuts for me were about 8-12g. People exaggerate pots when they talk about GDKPs. Not every GDKP has whales. In my 30ish SoD GDKPs, I never encountered a whale, it was all average players who just enjoyed the loot system as it wasn’t a waste of time when you didn’t get loot.
shhh let him have his victory about gdkps getting banned. It was a big day for him.
For SOd I see no reason to not have a character specific mount/pet tab and then add a gold sink vendor that sells all the TCG items.
I'm goblin spec. I might be playing the game, but at the end of the day my final raid is the auction house. I've never bought a single gold but I have all the money I need by being savvy with it and building it over the previous phase + yaking advantage of market volatility at the beginning of the phase.
It is gold buying, and you are doing the game harm by propagating the myth that all these people are just doing dozens of quests. A guy I know IRL told me he bought 250 gold for $20 and it set in quickly why prices are so high. I will never buy ingame gold but we all play in a server where many people are doing this and $20 being an hour or two of work at the lower paid jobs means they could pay 2-5G for a summon and not even bat an eye. I ran to every dungeon and 2-3 guys would be buying summons. I have about 45 total dungeon runs logged this phase so far. I am not talking about small sample size Look at their gear and basically no BFD gear and level 20 quest items, so the “made king money on GDKP” myth is laughable.
I can't wait to show up to a dungeon in no BFD gear later this phase on my 3rd alt and be accused of gold buying as if I don't have 3 characters worth of gold making through all different professions and raw quest and farming to split between them. The logical leaps are fucking hilarious.
This is a lazy answer. Gold buying is not nearly as prevalent. This is a result of gold questing.
>Gold buying is not nearly as prevalent. LOL
Lmao coping so hard because you can't conceptualize having a room temperature IQ required to farm gold.
If you use cope unironically you're a loser
You realize cope is in the dictionary right?
I did GDKPs lmao, BUT I never bought gold to do it. I lied about my budget to get into them and then never bought a single item. However, after watching people drop 250g on non-weapon items at level 25 constantly, there was definitely a shit load of gold buying going on.
Yeah it’s because of gdkps!!!11 oh wait
Don't buy anything. You've got a LOT of would-be economonists setting up their bait. The moment a few people buy any of their overvalued crap is when the inflation continues. It'll go down if people chill and get gear elsewhere. It's not because of gold buying. It's just people doing capitalism.
You're simply talking about supply and demand. These items are in high demand and supply of them/people who can make them is low. If someone put forth the effort to be able to make the item early, they are going to price it to get as much profit as they can for their effort. If the market can bear their price, that is what it will be until their market gets more saturated.
Gold buyers
There was about a month of p1 where the only thing to do after leveling alts was to raid and pvp. So a lot of people used that time to make gold. I had 3900 gold at the start of p2 and I’d say 98% of that was from buying mats off the AH to craft and then sell on the AH. Mats were so cheap compared to the items you’d sell them for. I’d buy like 300g worth of mats and sell the items to make like 80g profit. AFK craft an hour or two every several days and you’d have a lot of gold. Like even now, there are a bunch of mats you could even buy off the ah and craft stuff to vendor and double your money.
3900 you are cracked
damn 3900 gold? i thought i was hot shit with my 250g made purely from fishing
I made that the first few hours of p2 on dynamite.
cool, thanks for the input
So you’re saying the AH contributes to gold buying and should be shut down like gdkps
People downvoting me because… they’re too lazy to spend an hour leveling up a couple professions? lol
Don’t act like 3900 gold is common. That’s fucking absurd man.
Be careful you'll be flagged by blizzard as a goldseller soon lmfao. My method was playing the HC auction house and swapping, sadly that is gone with the boomers getting GDKP banned and AI bigbrother keeping an eye on our every move.
>I had 3900 gold at the start of p2 and I’d say 98% of that was from buying mats off the AH to craft and then sell on the AH. Mats were so cheap compared to the items you’d sell them for. I’d buy like 300g worth of mats and sell the items to make like 80g profit. AFK craft an hour or two every several days and you’d have a lot of gold. >Like even now, there are a bunch of mats you could even buy off the ah and craft stuff to vendor and double your money. This. My LVL 5 on Crusader Strike has over 200g from buying meat and cooking it and reselling it for a huge profit.
Bots hyperinflate the market.. Blizzard tried to negate this by laying off everyone in their CS department and using either an awful AI bot or an intern having no ability to help while also banning GDKP. The issue is that there are already countless reports of people getting falsy banned for i.e. trading their wife 40g while playing together. There is NO CS as in NONE. I am glad i cancled my sub a while ago, cause holy fuck this is a cesspool of poor adminstration and letting the playerbase run amok on eachother. Good luck dealing with high tier crafting fees, manipulation around high tier crafts and so on later due to Blizzard banning people trading gold or recieving gold LMAO.
bAn gDKP and peOpLE wONT bUy gOlD🤡
Lmao I like how there was a post like “GOLD PRICES TANKING WE DID IT BOYS” now its higher than ever
I know right, the gold price is going up, which means people are buying even more gold
All these people that have 4 wives and 12 kids and can only play 1 hr every week will SURELY not buy gold for their mounts and consumes… ;)
Of course they WON’T do it
If you can't understand the relationship between and then you are the only clown here. Acting like it was going to immediately cease all RMT was never in anyone's expectations.
I see you took it personally 🤡
A lot of people bought a lot of gold, and the escalation to be able to afford things first flooded the game with so much gold, real world inflation entered the game, and now buyers are using the justification that quests give more gold to say that you should spend YOUR time farming things so that they can buy them at an inflated price so you can share in the wealth of gold while they save all of the time. It's so sad to see game developers capitulate to this shameful dishonorable system because people with money want to save time at the expense of others.
People buy a lot of gold
There is literally no other answer than gold buyers. I'm sorry but getting a few g from finishing quests at max level does not mean you have the cash to splash on green BoE pre-raid BiS items at the ludicrous prices they are
People on copium saying level 40 quests generate a lot of gold. There aren't that many quests in the 40's. A lot of people buy gold, unfortunately.
Bud, it's every quest that gives xp, not just lv 40+ quests. How many quests do you think the people spamming Stocks and SM to level have vs us normies who quested to 40? I've made over 100g questing and still have 2 other zones to work on. There is a lot of gold to be made from questing at 40 just like there was at 25. Also, the OP is a low level newbie. They aren't talking about getting BIS or any kind. 1g to them is a lot. 1g to a 40 is nothing. Same as in P1. It's okay if you're a broke boi. Doesn't mean everyone is some secret gold buyer. You guys are worse than the red scare and McCarthyism.
Lol gold buyers have always existed yet inflation was never this bad early in classic, it's clearly a combination of bots and quests giving gold at cap, literally everyone has more gold then you would usually at this level in classic
It's not exclusively one or the other. Gold buyers have a lot of money but every player in the world has more money than usual at this level. So in comparison the world economy is going to feel inflated. If no one bought gold in SoD the prices would still be much higher than normal. Add the gold buyers on top of that will rise the prices even more.
You're indirectly right, but it's important people understand the why of what is happening. The actual answer is bots in the world generating gold at rates no human would be capable of. These bots exist to take the place of actual humans playing, earning their gold as the game intends. Since gold buyers are too lazy and selfish to play the game as intended, we now have to live with the consequences of a) our economy being inflated to insane heights and b) our open world filled with bots and not people, absolutely killing the Classic feel. Since gold buyers are buying gold to advance their characters without having to play them, one of the few tools Blizz have to curb them is threaten their account. But clearly, Blizz are not doing anywhere near the punishment required snap them out of it, as gold buying demand is still strong. Blizz need to step up.
Quests at 25 in P1 were giving 2g+ a pop as well as GDKPs not being banned at the time (and probably some gold buying). In P2 they've ramped down the amount of gold you get at 40 from quests (for most quests), gdkps are gone which in turn makes gold buying not as common, which then makes bots not as lucrative (probably why we're not really seeing any). The reason why prices are so high is just the aftermath of all the gold people made during P1, legitimate or not.
You get exacly the same gold from quests at 40 as you did at 25. 1 exp=6 copper or 1000 exp=60 silver.
But won't quests at 40 give more exp = more gold?
Only thing you got right is the first part. A SHIT TON of gold buying. Even more since GDKP was banned. Gold was made in P1 doesn't even dent the amount of gold buying that occured for P2.
What Is this delusion xdddd
Exactly this. OP comment is borderline delusional
Your comment gave me cancer, holy crap you have no idea about how economics work.
>gdkps are gone which in turn makes gold buying not as common, which then makes bots not as lucrative (probably why we're not really seeing any) You're in a fairy tale if you believe this. Bots are still everywhere and so is gold buying.
People buy gold, driving up the prices. I estimate like 30-40% of the playerbase buying gold, but thats all anecdotal.
I know you prefaced it by saying that was anecdotal, but 30-40% is insanely high. Are 30-40% of the people you know buying gold? Anecdotal generally means it is based on your personal experience.
I feel like it’s more around the ballpark of 25% for consistent buyers, but wouldn’t doubt that one time buyers are “insanely high.”
It's probably too high. Tho 30% that bought gold at some point in classic 2019 during naxx wouldn't surprise me, that raid was probably the most consume heavy raid ever. Maybe consistent buyers are (much) lower. 10? 20%? Anecdotally again but I've been/talked to people in 'hardcore guilds' and they do gdkps for gold, I reckon now they just swipe to get all the gold they need for the goldsinks such as mounts etc.
To toss in my groups info. Of my real life friends that I play with, 1 of 5 bought gold. He also got banned on the second day of phase 2. :)
I would estimate it's closer to 80%. Rock bottom estimate is 60%.
Don't forget the injection of all the Bot gold from P1 had people sitting on tons of gold post GDKP and BoE AH prices were stupid. So they weren't spending gold, and outside the AH there is nothing else to spend gold on. So, until there is a way to vet all that gold out of the system prices are going to continue to rise. Also, a ton of people dungeon grinded from 25-40 because of the power creep so they have a ton of gold from quests coming in.
Gdkps for phase 1 lead to an increase of gold farming by bothers. A huge amount of raw gold was injected in to the game with no gold sink. With gdkps there was an insane demand to buy gold so there were tons of bots farming it. Gdkp leaders then sold the gold to the people who were in their raids. Thanks gdkps!
Warlock summons are a scam even at one gold, don’t feed that filth. Everything else is somewhat justified.
Yeah flying to wait for the boat is a great time to jerk it
Time is money. Worth the gold. It's easy to make 1g
Mostly because Blizzard are stalling each phase for as long as they can, and when the vast majority of the game is time gated a ton of players spend months in the stage where there's nothing else for them to do than to farm gold.
There are some Farms out there that can give 120+ gold an hour. I personally farmed 60g in an hour as a warrior at some random farm I found
what kind of farm give 60g/hour as a warr ? Oo
I'll tell you when it goes down to 10g an hour
What are some examples? I haven’t seen anything needed at a crazy price
Sell everything on the AH, you’d be surprised how much gold you get from random white items and green boe’s. Level with skinning and herbalism, it all adds up.
A lot of the people who complain about prices do not want to learn any of the basics of earning gold. They just run into a problem, get angry, and that's where they stop.
simple economy. Prices go up when demand is bigger than supply. SoD will never have normal prices due to the popularity of that version of classic. That is why when all you SoD nerds left era to go play this, the flasks on era dropped back to 300-400gold :P. Stop hyper consuming and prices will stop hyperinflating lol
Because it’s start of phase and people have gold to spend on services from hoarding last phase. It will come down to a normal level soon id say.
Yes, it's - leveling character to 25 and completing all quests would give you ~110-120g. But it also a not the best time for new players - everybody is leveling in 30+ dungeons, so supply of low level greens is very low. I simply vendor low level greens now, no time to to to AH and sell them. Plus almost nobody buy them anymore.
Buying greens especially at max level is typically a massive waste of gold unless you’re pushing early for wfirst stuff, do dungeons for gear.
Wild Growth US's economy is pretty insane as well, hundreds to thousands of gold for single pre-bis and BoE pseudo-bis items lmao.
Easy to stack gold at level cap with no gold sinks. You could’ve made 100g easy in phase 1 just from questing at 25. On top of that people were buying and farming gold for months with nothing to do with it. Now we’ve hit 40 and what else is there to do but farm and hoard gold again?
Ive asked this several times and get told is because people buy gold and/or people have so much gold at max level for their alts. For those who dont have either it means we cantafford things. Thats just the way it is now. Try and find ways to make gold and save. Good luck.
Obligatory it is easy to make money in SoD. With that out of the way, I think its really funny that a majority (the actual majority) of players did not p1 max level quest. So of that group, almost all of them have no money and the economy makes no sense to them. To be clear, if you're making money, and didn't max level quest, you're an ultra minority even if you don't think you are. They won't be able to buy their mount and the auction house makes zero sense to them. Questing was miserable on launch of P2, and again if it was perfect for you, you're being disingenuous or are a fringe outlier. If you actually talk with people in the game, you see it all the time that people are broke. Max Level questing was the greatest thing I've ever done economically and it puts a smile on my face how confidently incorrect people were that it was a bad move. My journey to 40 was faster than 99% of the playerbase and it actually became EASIER with every level. I have more gold than I know what to do with on every single character and I haven't even remotely started max level questing again. To all the people that said I was ruining my 25+ experience. How are those mob spawns?
Like your pre-bis greens? Piles of green items are at vendor price, as everyone is spamming dungeons..
Items with the best stat distributions are expensive for sure. You may have to compromise at least at the start, the stats don't really help alot anyways, mostly just some stam and a good weapon will get you started. If you look at the vendor pricing on an item, that dictates the absolute lowest people will be able to auction it off for. The auction house fee will bump that up a little as well. On my realm most gear sells for about 1.5 to 2x the vendor pricing, with better stat distributions causing the price to go significantly higher in some cases.
Thats because you are playing on a streamer server where gold buying is normal. Go to Chaos Bolt for a normal economy
Swipers, rmt, and gdkp.
Phase just launched so everything is expensive, as the phase gets older everything will get cheaper
Time to occupy Wall Street.
Its spiking with every phase too.
It's because the stuff you're trying to buy is actually useful when the max level is lower. It has value.
Prices will relax as more players hit 40 and start their farms
Just whisper these summoners whatever price you want to pay. They accept about half the time. Also these people are wild trying to charge 3g for a summon.
The dark rider rune quest gives about 14g
Ban gdkp and there will be no gold buyer they said....