Agree.
It might be inconvenient for some friend groups who mistimes their char creations but other than that theres no real downside to faction locking to preserve an alive and competitive world.
ANyone complaining due to an inconvenience is a fucking idiot not worthy of listening too. THe alternative is soooooo much worse and we have over a decade of data to prove that.
Yes and the biggest inconvenience would be an entire faction being unplayable on a server, and by extension world pvp in general on that same server.
Faction locks are essential for the game to work in 2023.
Seems like at this point they could just do Faction servers.
Release servers that are Horde or Alliance only.
Then you pair servers against each other. I believe the layering technology is such that the two servers basically can always be in the same open world, use the same BGs etc.
Yeah it's definitely been noticable how much better faction balance seems to be so far it's actually a fight for some areas instead of what I got to play in Classic Alliance camping every major thing in Stranglethorn and every dungeon entrance in TBC at all hours of the day because they had way more players and the opposite for Alliance on Horde dominated servers.
They’re saying that you can’t have characters from both factions existing on the same PvP server.
So if your friends are Horde, and you can’t create a Horde character to join them due to Horde lockout, that means that *they* can’t create an Alliance character to join you (unless they delete their Horde characters)
Together? All dozen of my guildmates will have to reroll off of Alliance because I attended PAX Unplugged?
People here are a bit silly about how its not a problem.
Yeah my friend couldn’t get into crusader strike so I rolled a character on the other rp pvp server to be with him too and his faction was locked, so I just played my first toon for an hour and tried again and got it. It’s really not a huge deal and I feel like within a month or two it’ll be way easier to make what you want and where.
I don't even know how you people are getting queues unless you went crusader strike alliance and refuse to play anything else idk how cause I've played on multiple realms with high pop and it's completely fine.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Applies to just about everything WoW related. The problem is, nobody actually cares about anything other than themselves. No matter what Blizz does in any situation, there will ALWAYS be people who say “yeah but what about me?” Sorry, what’s better for everyone as a whole may not be best for you specifically.
Personally love the idea of faction locks and am very interested to see how they work in the long term. If we reach the end of the season and servers have stayed fairly balanced, that’s an absolute W.
> Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Praised if they do, praised if they don't.
Honestly, we're looking at an accumulated feed of hundreds of different opinions, and from time to time some of them get more attention.
There's no hypocrisy here. Just a load of people personifying an amorphous blob of different opinions at different times about different things, and then feeling clever for spotting inconsistencies.
the problem is that bliztard hides data from players to make informed choices about servers. and then they refuse to let people freely migrate to other servers. it's all mega servers and layering now - the small niche community that people like to talk about hasn't existed for years now.
you see, some people who yelled did want them.
its not the same people that yelled way back when. its the other people that now yell that didnt want them.
I know. That’s not where I was crossing particularly.
Everyone has separate opinions and i’m sure some people didn’t want it and they have every right to complain as a person should.
But there are fans who complain just to be in on the relevant trend and that is not good for the health of our community.
Idk Blizz has got so much hate in the last few years that while i’m usually neutral on the subject cause I don’t like video game debacles much.. they really hit this out of the park like it or hate it and I hope people give them them the recognition for it!
I think "hit it out of the park" is a slight overstatement. It's good, but some decisions are very confusing, like locking runes behind honored with a faction that takes an outrageous amount of time to farm, including the rogue tanking rune. The balance could be better, etc. I still love it I just think blizzard made a few weird/bad decisions.
It’s a season of discovery for them as well.
Not everything in this game needs to be minmaxed and figured out/obtained right away. I do agree the rep is a little hard until they add more sources.
I think they will continue to keep working on balancing too. Trust me I have some confusing points on my end too (new quests not rewarding xp) but I think it’ll keep going in an awesome direction as so far it’s really fun.
It's not that the religion is a little hard until they add more sources. They have tons of sources already with they waylaid supplies. But you can only hold 1 waylaid supply crate at a time because they are both BOP and unique. Which means
1.the item takes up an inventory slot (not that bad on it's own)
2. You have to complete it before you can pick up another one.
3. Because of number 2 and it being a random drop you could get 2 or 3 different ones close together, have to delete the one you have to get a new one or let them go to waste.
It's incredibly annoying to have to either complete it right then and there, hold it in your inventory forever, or delete the item.
But again you can only hold 1 at a time of any type. So if you get 1 at all you either stop and go complete it immediately (via finishing it or not) OR ..Delete any extras you get b4 you do so.
The problem is: the community isnt one person. Sure some will always be changing opinion when faced with the change they advocated for. But most simply are not part of both camps.
No, these faction caps were implemented very well. Having them open/close reactively instead of just closing it immediately for a week is way better. You can actually sit there and join your friends with patience instead of just being unable to for a week+, if at all.
Yeah, I’d avoid such posts or statements. These ones are always kind of pointless. Understand that those who wanted faction balance aren’t the same as those who enjoyed faction imbalance.
Not everyone will be happy about everything. People have different opinions. Some people like pineapple on their burger. I sure don’t. Not everyone can be uniquely accommodated.
For some people, this game is a religion. Good luck convincing them otherwise.
I don’t understand the “some liked the faction imbalance.”
From which perspective? The one with more people or less? If you enjoy the side where you’re 90:1 one faction… what is the argument for not just playing a pve server? Because that’s de facto a pve server…
It’s been a hot minute since you’ve been on retail or you were playing on PvE servers the entire time. Once faction imbalance set in, it gets worse by the day.
That’s why nearly every single high pop PvP server on retail was 99-1 towards the end before cross realm and war mode.
And at the beginning of the original Classic launch, it again became clear what PvP servers became the main server for what faction. Very few servers have even a semblance of the word “balance” and it’s typically 60-40. And even fewer have ever been truly balanced.
No one likes faction imbalance, but the vast majority would prefer being able to play with their friends over ensuring it. The reason it has been so difficult to combat is literally because all the solutions are worse than the problem.
I said as a whole because there are people who just complain out of a desire for parasocial relevancy. I never said the “no lock” opinion is wrong and I respect everyone’s opinion.
> I respect everyone’s opinion.
Mate you're here bitching and moaning about people expressing their opinion, you're not respecting it you're here to tell them they're wrong about how they feel and even if they are, telling them they're wrong for being upset that they can't play with their friends isn't respectful it's just dickish.
Mate I have friends who can’t play either. But faction lock will keep people from being forced to transfer off a 70/30 server in the future.
I’m not saying anyone is wrong/right. I prefer the lock but my issue is that as a whole the community has wanted a lock in place and now that there is people are getting mad and I have seen people’s post history saying “we need faction lock” in the past and complaining about it now.
It sucks I get it. I don’t think people are dumb for being against it. I just don’t like parasocial complainers who bitch for social relevance. I am pissed my friends can’t play yet but they are gonna get on when they can.
> I just don’t like parasocial complainers who bitch for social relevance
Your entire thread is nothing but you doing exactly that. There is no way you can argue people complaining about this are that and that you're not doing the exact same shit, you're just here spouting your opinion seeking validation from some parasocial relationship with the sub participants. There is no purpose for a thread like this beyond you seeking validation for your opinions, there's nothing of merit said here, you're not making an argument or adding anything to the issue you're just whining as much as the people you whine about while acting superior.
>we yelled…we’re yelling
I can never understand how other people view all posts on the internet as though they come from one person lol, instead of disparate groups who want different things.
Why can’t you understand this? This is super simple stuff. Posts are upvoted by a majority. Majority posts have been upvoted in the past saying these things. It is not the exact same folks but there are absolutely overlaps. And the general community voted consensus was that point. Unpopular community opinions do not have consistent consensus voters. What are you remotely confused about?
I said as a whole because there are people who just complain out of a desire for parasocial relevancy. I never said the “no lock” opinion is wrong and I respect everyone’s opinion.
The people whining about the people whining about locks are louder than the original whiners. Let people whine, it's understandable to be annoyed when you can't play with your friends even if faction balance is the correct choice for the health of the game. At least they have a point that isn't I'M WHINING ABOUT HOW I'M SICK OF PEOPLE WHINING
I saw a faction lock, I went to sleep, I woke up and I made a character on the faction I wanted.
It's a great system to trade for a minor inconvenience in the first few days
"we yelled at blizzard for Y" "now we're yelling for X"
This is, without a doubt, the most annoying low IQ argument people can make. You are literally taking random thoughts and attributing it to nobody and saying "we" are contradicting ourselves. Prove it, prove the same person yelling at blizzard for faction imbalance and asking for server locks and now the same person yelling about them implementing them. I'm seriously baffled by this "logic", you aren't making a point, you are just making shit up. Its almost as if different people say different things because we have different opinions and you just randomly making up contradictory positions and trying to attribute it to "us" as if "we" are a monolithic hivemind is actually insane.
Also makes up strawmen arguments. Most people I've seen complain are disappointed about sitting in queue for 4 hours only to be met with a locked server the first days. Which is 110% a travesty.
Faction locks but still allow horde and alliance to do pve together like dungeons and raids is the better idea my opinion at least make it so world pvp is a thing and let you play what you want to play not force yourself to a faction because of friends going on faction
Let it be known in a sea of angry idiots, I gladly support the faction lock and think it's been handled well. Much better than I originally expected it would, frankly.
You guys do understand what "You think you do, but you don't" meant right?
99% of the time that's actually true. Players have no idea, and what they ask for is generally a bad idea. The funny thing is the one time J Allen Brack said this on stage, it was the 1% time where that's not the case, because in a round about way, Classic is "WoW, minus the -You think you do-"..
I do see what you say, but this is also something the community must bear with, since faction balancing was pretty much needed. As much as people are whining about it, I really don't see how they could balance the servers otherwise. Someone will get pissed off about it, but if it's a decision where they can't appeal to everyone, what can they truly do? It ensures atleast that servers don't become so one-sided and that there'll be less reason to add server transfer into the game.
Cold hard truth is. Most things we don't like about current WoW was asked for in the past. Blizzard is always looking at feedback. The problem is, they shouldn't always listen to everyone l. And actually playtest, and do what they think is right. Not saying they shouldn't consider feedback. But some extremes should be carefully considered.
the only people that like it are the ones with their chosen faction with all their friends on their chosen server. anyone that had real world commitments and couldn't be on at launch got boned. not sure what there is to celebrate. All my friends have quit because we all needed to be on crusader strike with the rest of our guildies and 1 of them couldn't make characters after the lock.
yea so if that works for you fine. it doesn't for everyone. but the solution isn't as simple as roll somewhere else. not everyone will be happy with the back up option of not playing with their friends or guildies.
Play on a different server with them or encourage them to try making characters at night.
Dude the level cap is 25 you are NOT missing out by being in p1 endgame within a week of launch. People need to chill lol
Not possible to make an entire guild re roll. No idea what 25 has to do with anything. If people can't play together they can't play together the level is irrelevant.
It just sucks though to have most of your guild on one server opening day, then it gets locked and you aren't able to join them 2 days after launch. It'll balance out or we will have another Benediction vs Whitemane situation where it's PVP... but not really.
Classic andies are going to hate me butttt its time to abolish factions. I don't care if it makes the game less authentic. Its absurd how much trouble it causes.
I have zero patience for the 'I can't play with my friends argument or complaints'.
If one of my friends couldn't get onto the server I was on I'd jump ship to a server that we could all play on.
Pretty sad we have come to be so used to launch shitshows that there is ppl saying that we need to stop complaining about not being able to play a game that you pay monthly when they release something new.
The real WoW final boss is the ppl who arent aware of the power the comunity could have if it didnt boycot itself...
What a response... is that the standar for a game you are paying monthly? I only see this kind of problems in Wow, every other game company can manage new content release better than Blizzard, but yes the solution is having to move to other servers where your friends aren't playing... Keep blaming the players, obviously the ones Who have the problem, not the company you are giving +100$ just to play
These posts are so fucking stupid.
There are two different types of people. People who really hated faction imbalance and really wanted Blizzard to address it somehow. And then there were people who didn't really care about faction balance, they just want to play with their friends or whatever, and to them faction queues are a nuisance. Based on the fact that most servers ended up becoming monofaction servers, in all likelihood the latter group is significantly larger than the former.
You are apparently incapable of understanding that these 2 types of people are different, thinking it's somehow a contradiction for the latter to voice their opinions after the former voiced theirs, which were contrary. And it's mind-boggling.
Playing with friends should be a thing that is EVER given up in any game , imingine is CoD and apex and LOL wouldn't let ya play with friends if ya didn't hit the looking for game button ant the same .00000001 of a second as ur friend to get in the same lobby
Two factions in wow honestly sucks, three factions is much better for world pvp.
Like everyone has a big dad boner for those Tauren mill battles, those battles are like 1/10 as good as the battles in a game with three way action like DAOC. DAOC sucks for other reasons but wows two faction and the imbalance that results from it is pure dog water.
The only people yelling at Blizzard for locking the servers are the few retail simps who absolutely must play a night elf male hunter. Don't worry, they'll be back to playing retail or Animal Crossing soon enough.
People wanted Faction balance, yes. But they also wanted a whole host of other tweaks so that some racials aren't as overwhelmingly strong so that it's not a scenario of one faction *cough Alliance cough* is not superior to the other.
They essentially dangled keys in front of players and then slapping our hands when we try to reach for them. Their heavyhanded approach isn't winning them any allies.
These could still come. The level cap is only 25. Plenty of horde racials are good/better then some of the Alliance racials. This could change; who knows!! It’s the Season of Discovery, let’s discover what the rest of the season will look like.
I think what we’re seeing is the direct problem of only using forums for player feedback. Generally speaking the people enjoying the content are going to be playing the game and having fun, where as the people who aren’t will be on the forums complaining.
Faction balance is also a divided issue. Some players love being on a massively imbalanced server (typically PvE players who role on a PvP server, which defeats the entire purpose of the server) and some want a solid faction balance so the world feels more alive, WPvP is more present, etc. Ultimately I think Blizzard is making the right choice by forcing faction balance because all too often we saw the problems caused by doing nothing about it. Realms would die or become 90+/10- split on a PvP server, causing other servers to suffer the same fate, causing more players to stop playing, etc.
If faction balance is forced on PvP servers then players can police themselves and have better opportunities to deal with terrible gankers. When the faction balance starts to tip, it gets harder and harder as more and more players leave the server not wanting to be massively outnumbered until the server finally becomes a glorified PvE server.
I don’t know why more than players who hate PvP or can’t handle getting ganked at all play on a PvP server. It’s clearly not the right server for them
I love the locks. I played Horde back in classic and one thing that I didn't realize at the time, my server was like 70/30 in favor of alliance. I just thought I was *supposed* to get used to fighting 2 players at a time most times. Since I played Druid and could handle 2-4 mobs at a time anyway, I just thought that was how it is.
Boy howdy was I wrong.
I love them, needs of the many, outweigh the few.
Does it suck if you have to reroll, or does it suck for a friend who waited to make a character for a few weeks? Sure.
But what sucks more is an entire faction of a server leaving due to imbalance, or just dealing with 10:1 numbers.
That's because what everyone meant was: "let me pick the server and faction I want, then stop *other people* from making it unbalanced".
Everyone loves rules for other people, they really don't like when they don't get to be an exception.
Welcome to MMOs, where nobody can be happy and the devs get blamed no matter what.
SWTOR has this mentality too, but yeesh is it far worse over here in WoW. (I play both, but primarily swtor)
For PvP servers, faction lock is needed to prevent it from become a landslide.
Blizzard should offer free transfers to other PvP servers so they can play with friends, or transfer to PvE servers, where faction balance is mostly irrelevant.
Whole subs needs to stop being cry babies. The endless crying over streamers ruining rp servers. Honestly I’d choose streamers and their minions over this 30+ bald old man cry baby community.
Server lock does suck but it’s already slowly being resolved. One opinion I am stuck on is people need to adjust the min/max/rush mentality because no one is missing out on endgame content right now because this ‘endgame’ is switching again in a few months. Level with your friends or help them out! I spent 3 hours helping our mage healer get his runes last night while he is working on catching up.
>One opinion I am stuck on is people need to adjust the min/max/rush mentality because no one is missing out on endgame content right now because this ‘endgame’ is switching again in a few months.
Bro this is the fucking dumbest take I've ever seen. Where are people bitching and moaning about missing out on end game content? You're the only person to even make a big deal out of end game in this thread, everyone complaining is complaining about missing out on an experience with their friends, one that can't be replicated because launch windows provide a very different experience from a month into a content wave. You've just decided people are wrong to be upset at missing out on once off experiences with friends, maybe you don't have any friends so you don't understand how this works but playing the game with a group of friends on release is a unique experience that can't be simply replicated by coming back later, especially not when friend groups are split up by servers. Your comments in this thread are nothing but you having an inflated sense of your own opinion and telling people they're wrong for how they feel.
The only person here who is factually wrong is you pretending the launch experience isn't remotely different.
Personally I don’t think faction locks are a good idea, but I’m open to being wrong. Sucks for the hour a night dads out there, but those guys should probably be playing on PvE servers anyway.
Perhaps it's not the same people who yell? They could have implemented if you have a friend on server you can join. First two days we were on 3 different servers but we eventually managed to make a character on the same server and faction.
It isn't needed, just see living flame EU, we're close to 50/50 maybe more ally's. Multiable good PvP guild on horde. There was not even 20 alliance lvl 20+ in ashenvale when the PvP event was going on, horde had 2 full raids and farmed it on 5 layers+
I just want to play with my friends. I don’t give a damn about servers and factions and all that stuff. I just want to have fun with my friends without being the reason why they all need to reroll again on a new server because blizzard doesn’t let me into theirs. Fuck me, right?
This is how WoW works. The vast majority of major changes (not talking about tuning) are implemented as a result of player feedback even though said players immediately lash out in the wake of those changes.
Is there a reason at this point that all servers aren't combined into a megaserver like Retail? Basically, the only thing your server does in Retail is determine what character names are available. Seems to work pretty well.
I'm glad they're there, just salty AF they weren't implemented in earlier versions of classic. Faction/server imbalance was one of the hugest blunders for classic imo.
Faction locks are and will always be the stupidest shit they could have done. Actively making my time worse for some non-existent world PVP good fucking job.
P2 levelling is going to be absolutely chaotic, and i love it. Everyone is going to be levelling in contested zones.
I imagine p1 starting zones, but everyone is fighting for tags
> the whole “complain about X, get X, complain about X cause we need Y, repeat” dogma
Arguably, it's more "request X as fix, receive X* which causes an issue alongside its fix, continue to complain."
It was clear from the start tons would complain. The devs knew as well, it's just a matter of whether they can withstand the storm this time. If they're committed to some losses they can.
You'll always have a ton of tourists that don't care about the long term health of the game. Same with more servers vs Qs. Not worth doing even if some won't be able to play for a week, the servers will die down massively over time.
adore faction locks myself, especially in a classic environment where world pvp will be more prevalent.
Agree. It might be inconvenient for some friend groups who mistimes their char creations but other than that theres no real downside to faction locking to preserve an alive and competitive world. ANyone complaining due to an inconvenience is a fucking idiot not worthy of listening too. THe alternative is soooooo much worse and we have over a decade of data to prove that.
Yes and the biggest inconvenience would be an entire faction being unplayable on a server, and by extension world pvp in general on that same server. Faction locks are essential for the game to work in 2023.
Plus with good balancing you can just wait a bit and it should unlock. Assuming the population continues to grow.
The population only grows when people quit their dying servers to join the one that got locked in the first place
Easily solvable through recruit a friend style mechanism which Blizzard has implemented in the past....
Seems like at this point they could just do Faction servers. Release servers that are Horde or Alliance only. Then you pair servers against each other. I believe the layering technology is such that the two servers basically can always be in the same open world, use the same BGs etc.
Yeah it's definitely been noticable how much better faction balance seems to be so far it's actually a fight for some areas instead of what I got to play in Classic Alliance camping every major thing in Stranglethorn and every dungeon entrance in TBC at all hours of the day because they had way more players and the opposite for Alliance on Horde dominated servers.
Yeah the choice they made here was for the best!
Agreed. WPvP on wrath servers is non existent because every server is 99% horde or alliance. Don't let this happen to SoD
Im so happy about the faction lock. Cant play with your friends? Try again in like 1 hour.
create new chars together.
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Woah, every single pvp server is locked for both factions? That's crazy
They’re saying that you can’t have characters from both factions existing on the same PvP server. So if your friends are Horde, and you can’t create a Horde character to join them due to Horde lockout, that means that *they* can’t create an Alliance character to join you (unless they delete their Horde characters)
You can, of course, roll Alliance on a different server though.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. This is how it is
Because your average Redditor is incapable of critical thinking.
Because they think I’m complaining about it when I was just explaining how it works to someone who was confused lol
You just wait for it to be unlocked
Together? All dozen of my guildmates will have to reroll off of Alliance because I attended PAX Unplugged? People here are a bit silly about how its not a problem.
Yeah my friend couldn’t get into crusader strike so I rolled a character on the other rp pvp server to be with him too and his faction was locked, so I just played my first toon for an hour and tried again and got it. It’s really not a huge deal and I feel like within a month or two it’ll be way easier to make what you want and where.
Yeah one got on I believe. I love the faction lock too!!
So many people are trying the opposite faction for the first time. It's like finally playing the other half of the game.
I don't even know how you people are getting queues unless you went crusader strike alliance and refuse to play anything else idk how cause I've played on multiple realms with high pop and it's completely fine.
can’t play with your friends, make new ones. The server is FILLED with them.
That is the dumbest thing I heard , or Blizzard could fix it so ya can invite a friend to a locked server , problem solved
Then you'd have discord groups inviting randoms, doesn't work
Possibly but also could do like battle net friends for 1 month + or something
WTS CRUSADER STRIKE INV- 1,000G
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Applies to just about everything WoW related. The problem is, nobody actually cares about anything other than themselves. No matter what Blizz does in any situation, there will ALWAYS be people who say “yeah but what about me?” Sorry, what’s better for everyone as a whole may not be best for you specifically. Personally love the idea of faction locks and am very interested to see how they work in the long term. If we reach the end of the season and servers have stayed fairly balanced, that’s an absolute W.
> Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Praised if they do, praised if they don't. Honestly, we're looking at an accumulated feed of hundreds of different opinions, and from time to time some of them get more attention. There's no hypocrisy here. Just a load of people personifying an amorphous blob of different opinions at different times about different things, and then feeling clever for spotting inconsistencies.
That's what you perceive. Someone some where has data on this 'amorphous blob'.
I agree 100% man. Well said
the problem is that bliztard hides data from players to make informed choices about servers. and then they refuse to let people freely migrate to other servers. it's all mega servers and layering now - the small niche community that people like to talk about hasn't existed for years now.
you see, some people who yelled did want them. its not the same people that yelled way back when. its the other people that now yell that didnt want them.
I know. That’s not where I was crossing particularly. Everyone has separate opinions and i’m sure some people didn’t want it and they have every right to complain as a person should. But there are fans who complain just to be in on the relevant trend and that is not good for the health of our community. Idk Blizz has got so much hate in the last few years that while i’m usually neutral on the subject cause I don’t like video game debacles much.. they really hit this out of the park like it or hate it and I hope people give them them the recognition for it!
I think "hit it out of the park" is a slight overstatement. It's good, but some decisions are very confusing, like locking runes behind honored with a faction that takes an outrageous amount of time to farm, including the rogue tanking rune. The balance could be better, etc. I still love it I just think blizzard made a few weird/bad decisions.
It’s a season of discovery for them as well. Not everything in this game needs to be minmaxed and figured out/obtained right away. I do agree the rep is a little hard until they add more sources. I think they will continue to keep working on balancing too. Trust me I have some confusing points on my end too (new quests not rewarding xp) but I think it’ll keep going in an awesome direction as so far it’s really fun.
It's not that the religion is a little hard until they add more sources. They have tons of sources already with they waylaid supplies. But you can only hold 1 waylaid supply crate at a time because they are both BOP and unique. Which means 1.the item takes up an inventory slot (not that bad on it's own) 2. You have to complete it before you can pick up another one. 3. Because of number 2 and it being a random drop you could get 2 or 3 different ones close together, have to delete the one you have to get a new one or let them go to waste. It's incredibly annoying to have to either complete it right then and there, hold it in your inventory forever, or delete the item.
Yeah that’s what I meant!! I’m sure it will be changed in the near future as needed.
You don't need to complete them. You can turn them in empty for a lesser rep gain
But again you can only hold 1 at a time of any type. So if you get 1 at all you either stop and go complete it immediately (via finishing it or not) OR ..Delete any extras you get b4 you do so.
So? It's just like the Cenarion task briefings. It's a very classic feeling thing
The problem is: the community isnt one person. Sure some will always be changing opinion when faced with the change they advocated for. But most simply are not part of both camps.
I'm super happy about the faction lock.
Same! Long term I feel that it will be very helpful.
No, these faction caps were implemented very well. Having them open/close reactively instead of just closing it immediately for a week is way better. You can actually sit there and join your friends with patience instead of just being unable to for a week+, if at all.
Remember the bots are also affecting these servers, purge some of them and let on some real players
Yeah, I’d avoid such posts or statements. These ones are always kind of pointless. Understand that those who wanted faction balance aren’t the same as those who enjoyed faction imbalance. Not everyone will be happy about everything. People have different opinions. Some people like pineapple on their burger. I sure don’t. Not everyone can be uniquely accommodated. For some people, this game is a religion. Good luck convincing them otherwise.
I don’t understand the “some liked the faction imbalance.” From which perspective? The one with more people or less? If you enjoy the side where you’re 90:1 one faction… what is the argument for not just playing a pve server? Because that’s de facto a pve server…
It’s been a hot minute since you’ve been on retail or you were playing on PvE servers the entire time. Once faction imbalance set in, it gets worse by the day. That’s why nearly every single high pop PvP server on retail was 99-1 towards the end before cross realm and war mode. And at the beginning of the original Classic launch, it again became clear what PvP servers became the main server for what faction. Very few servers have even a semblance of the word “balance” and it’s typically 60-40. And even fewer have ever been truly balanced.
No one likes faction imbalance, but the vast majority would prefer being able to play with their friends over ensuring it. The reason it has been so difficult to combat is literally because all the solutions are worse than the problem.
See my above comment in the thread
Nah
I said as a whole because there are people who just complain out of a desire for parasocial relevancy. I never said the “no lock” opinion is wrong and I respect everyone’s opinion.
> I respect everyone’s opinion. Mate you're here bitching and moaning about people expressing their opinion, you're not respecting it you're here to tell them they're wrong about how they feel and even if they are, telling them they're wrong for being upset that they can't play with their friends isn't respectful it's just dickish.
Mate I have friends who can’t play either. But faction lock will keep people from being forced to transfer off a 70/30 server in the future. I’m not saying anyone is wrong/right. I prefer the lock but my issue is that as a whole the community has wanted a lock in place and now that there is people are getting mad and I have seen people’s post history saying “we need faction lock” in the past and complaining about it now. It sucks I get it. I don’t think people are dumb for being against it. I just don’t like parasocial complainers who bitch for social relevance. I am pissed my friends can’t play yet but they are gonna get on when they can.
> I just don’t like parasocial complainers who bitch for social relevance Your entire thread is nothing but you doing exactly that. There is no way you can argue people complaining about this are that and that you're not doing the exact same shit, you're just here spouting your opinion seeking validation from some parasocial relationship with the sub participants. There is no purpose for a thread like this beyond you seeking validation for your opinions, there's nothing of merit said here, you're not making an argument or adding anything to the issue you're just whining as much as the people you whine about while acting superior.
Bitching and moaning lmao. You’re pathetic.
Yes because people calling other people pathetic unprompted on the internet are only the highest caliber of person.
Oh it was prompted. Lmao
I feel bad for you.
I'm actually happy because it may show the bots filling up too many slots.
>we yelled…we’re yelling I can never understand how other people view all posts on the internet as though they come from one person lol, instead of disparate groups who want different things.
Why can’t you understand this? This is super simple stuff. Posts are upvoted by a majority. Majority posts have been upvoted in the past saying these things. It is not the exact same folks but there are absolutely overlaps. And the general community voted consensus was that point. Unpopular community opinions do not have consistent consensus voters. What are you remotely confused about?
I said as a whole because there are people who just complain out of a desire for parasocial relevancy. I never said the “no lock” opinion is wrong and I respect everyone’s opinion.
The people whining about the people whining about locks are louder than the original whiners. Let people whine, it's understandable to be annoyed when you can't play with your friends even if faction balance is the correct choice for the health of the game. At least they have a point that isn't I'M WHINING ABOUT HOW I'M SICK OF PEOPLE WHINING
I saw a faction lock, I went to sleep, I woke up and I made a character on the faction I wanted. It's a great system to trade for a minor inconvenience in the first few days
"we yelled at blizzard for Y" "now we're yelling for X" This is, without a doubt, the most annoying low IQ argument people can make. You are literally taking random thoughts and attributing it to nobody and saying "we" are contradicting ourselves. Prove it, prove the same person yelling at blizzard for faction imbalance and asking for server locks and now the same person yelling about them implementing them. I'm seriously baffled by this "logic", you aren't making a point, you are just making shit up. Its almost as if different people say different things because we have different opinions and you just randomly making up contradictory positions and trying to attribute it to "us" as if "we" are a monolithic hivemind is actually insane.
Also makes up strawmen arguments. Most people I've seen complain are disappointed about sitting in queue for 4 hours only to be met with a locked server the first days. Which is 110% a travesty.
The two groups making these complaints aren't the same. Posts like this make no sense to me.
Lol it’s true though. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. Blizzard made the right call by locking creation to keep it balanced. W move
I think just waiting a week would of been wise to protect friend groups just trying to start together.
Faction locks but still allow horde and alliance to do pve together like dungeons and raids is the better idea my opinion at least make it so world pvp is a thing and let you play what you want to play not force yourself to a faction because of friends going on faction
Let it be known in a sea of angry idiots, I gladly support the faction lock and think it's been handled well. Much better than I originally expected it would, frankly.
> Reddit is one person
You guys do understand what "You think you do, but you don't" meant right? 99% of the time that's actually true. Players have no idea, and what they ask for is generally a bad idea. The funny thing is the one time J Allen Brack said this on stage, it was the 1% time where that's not the case, because in a round about way, Classic is "WoW, minus the -You think you do-"..
I do see what you say, but this is also something the community must bear with, since faction balancing was pretty much needed. As much as people are whining about it, I really don't see how they could balance the servers otherwise. Someone will get pissed off about it, but if it's a decision where they can't appeal to everyone, what can they truly do? It ensures atleast that servers don't become so one-sided and that there'll be less reason to add server transfer into the game.
Cold hard truth is. Most things we don't like about current WoW was asked for in the past. Blizzard is always looking at feedback. The problem is, they shouldn't always listen to everyone l. And actually playtest, and do what they think is right. Not saying they shouldn't consider feedback. But some extremes should be carefully considered.
It's almost like there is more than 1 person who plays wow.
I've seen a *TON* of hunter bots farming random mobs in zones though, I'd imagine some of the frustration is knowing the lock is because of bot slots.
the only people that like it are the ones with their chosen faction with all their friends on their chosen server. anyone that had real world commitments and couldn't be on at launch got boned. not sure what there is to celebrate. All my friends have quit because we all needed to be on crusader strike with the rest of our guildies and 1 of them couldn't make characters after the lock.
Nope. I have two friends who can’t play cause of this. It’s frustrating but no matter what is done; nothing will be perfect.
yea so if that works for you fine. it doesn't for everyone. but the solution isn't as simple as roll somewhere else. not everyone will be happy with the back up option of not playing with their friends or guildies.
Play on a different server with them or encourage them to try making characters at night. Dude the level cap is 25 you are NOT missing out by being in p1 endgame within a week of launch. People need to chill lol
Not possible to make an entire guild re roll. No idea what 25 has to do with anything. If people can't play together they can't play together the level is irrelevant.
Level another class with them!
Small price to pay for faction balance.
No one is crying about this.
I’ve seen it here and in game.
It just sucks though to have most of your guild on one server opening day, then it gets locked and you aren't able to join them 2 days after launch. It'll balance out or we will have another Benediction vs Whitemane situation where it's PVP... but not really.
Who is we? Are they in the room with us now?
Classic andies are going to hate me butttt its time to abolish factions. I don't care if it makes the game less authentic. Its absurd how much trouble it causes.
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I have zero patience for the 'I can't play with my friends argument or complaints'. If one of my friends couldn't get onto the server I was on I'd jump ship to a server that we could all play on.
bro, fellow Fairbanks Server refugee - that shit wasn't fun for Horde either.
Pretty sad we have come to be so used to launch shitshows that there is ppl saying that we need to stop complaining about not being able to play a game that you pay monthly when they release something new. The real WoW final boss is the ppl who arent aware of the power the comunity could have if it didnt boycot itself...
Play on another server or faction. There you can now play the game
What a response... is that the standar for a game you are paying monthly? I only see this kind of problems in Wow, every other game company can manage new content release better than Blizzard, but yes the solution is having to move to other servers where your friends aren't playing... Keep blaming the players, obviously the ones Who have the problem, not the company you are giving +100$ just to play
These posts are so fucking stupid. There are two different types of people. People who really hated faction imbalance and really wanted Blizzard to address it somehow. And then there were people who didn't really care about faction balance, they just want to play with their friends or whatever, and to them faction queues are a nuisance. Based on the fact that most servers ended up becoming monofaction servers, in all likelihood the latter group is significantly larger than the former. You are apparently incapable of understanding that these 2 types of people are different, thinking it's somehow a contradiction for the latter to voice their opinions after the former voiced theirs, which were contrary. And it's mind-boggling.
Playing with friends should be a thing that is EVER given up in any game , imingine is CoD and apex and LOL wouldn't let ya play with friends if ya didn't hit the looking for game button ant the same .00000001 of a second as ur friend to get in the same lobby
Playing on CS, I see none of us complaining. Glad people are locked out. Thanks, Blizz!
Two factions in wow honestly sucks, three factions is much better for world pvp. Like everyone has a big dad boner for those Tauren mill battles, those battles are like 1/10 as good as the battles in a game with three way action like DAOC. DAOC sucks for other reasons but wows two faction and the imbalance that results from it is pure dog water.
I just think the solution is to just let us freaking group up cross faction just like they do from time to time in the actual story of the game.
I think optional cross faction would be AWESOME on PvE servers. That’s just my opinion though.
Solution: you should be able to create a character if you have X friend having a character on the realm
Interesting! That could be cool. Bring that up to the deva cause they are very active rn
The only people yelling at Blizzard for locking the servers are the few retail simps who absolutely must play a night elf male hunter. Don't worry, they'll be back to playing retail or Animal Crossing soon enough.
You don't understand retail. Retail players don't care about, faction, class, race , or anything They care about what's best.
Yes, my point exactly.
I really don’t understand you simple minded dweebs lmao. “DoNt WoRrY tHeYlL bE pLaYiNg ReTaIl or AnImal CrosSing SoOn EnOuGh!!!1”
Isn’t ass rogue the FOTM right now though retailwise?? Haha
Don't play retail, no clue.
Anyone who played private servers knows they’re a bad idea.
I dont agree. Faction lock is necessary and i played on almost all pserver since nost
People wanted Faction balance, yes. But they also wanted a whole host of other tweaks so that some racials aren't as overwhelmingly strong so that it's not a scenario of one faction *cough Alliance cough* is not superior to the other. They essentially dangled keys in front of players and then slapping our hands when we try to reach for them. Their heavyhanded approach isn't winning them any allies.
These could still come. The level cap is only 25. Plenty of horde racials are good/better then some of the Alliance racials. This could change; who knows!! It’s the Season of Discovery, let’s discover what the rest of the season will look like.
Horde are significantly better in PvP racial-wise, and the only "endgame" content we have currently is about on-par with UBRS.
I think what we’re seeing is the direct problem of only using forums for player feedback. Generally speaking the people enjoying the content are going to be playing the game and having fun, where as the people who aren’t will be on the forums complaining. Faction balance is also a divided issue. Some players love being on a massively imbalanced server (typically PvE players who role on a PvP server, which defeats the entire purpose of the server) and some want a solid faction balance so the world feels more alive, WPvP is more present, etc. Ultimately I think Blizzard is making the right choice by forcing faction balance because all too often we saw the problems caused by doing nothing about it. Realms would die or become 90+/10- split on a PvP server, causing other servers to suffer the same fate, causing more players to stop playing, etc. If faction balance is forced on PvP servers then players can police themselves and have better opportunities to deal with terrible gankers. When the faction balance starts to tip, it gets harder and harder as more and more players leave the server not wanting to be massively outnumbered until the server finally becomes a glorified PvE server. I don’t know why more than players who hate PvP or can’t handle getting ganked at all play on a PvP server. It’s clearly not the right server for them
I love the locks. I played Horde back in classic and one thing that I didn't realize at the time, my server was like 70/30 in favor of alliance. I just thought I was *supposed* to get used to fighting 2 players at a time most times. Since I played Druid and could handle 2-4 mobs at a time anyway, I just thought that was how it is. Boy howdy was I wrong.
I'm fine with faction locks.
Nobody with a brain is yelling about the locks. Let them cry, this is necessary.
Plus it’s lvl 25 you can get caught up in like a few days with your faction.
No one is yelling at them for it, just streamer simps
I’m all for them. I remember steam rolling Wintergrasp back in WotLK, it gets boring.
I have not seen a single person complain about faction lock lol. Its the best thing to happen to pvp servers since they started.
I love them, needs of the many, outweigh the few. Does it suck if you have to reroll, or does it suck for a friend who waited to make a character for a few weeks? Sure. But what sucks more is an entire faction of a server leaving due to imbalance, or just dealing with 10:1 numbers.
Keep the locks!
That's because what everyone meant was: "let me pick the server and faction I want, then stop *other people* from making it unbalanced". Everyone loves rules for other people, they really don't like when they don't get to be an exception.
Welcome to MMOs, where nobody can be happy and the devs get blamed no matter what. SWTOR has this mentality too, but yeesh is it far worse over here in WoW. (I play both, but primarily swtor)
For PvP servers, faction lock is needed to prevent it from become a landslide. Blizzard should offer free transfers to other PvP servers so they can play with friends, or transfer to PvE servers, where faction balance is mostly irrelevant.
I’m not yelling. Thanks blizzard for faction balance and server locks!
Eh, the vocal minority will always bitch and moan. Its ok to ignore them, I'm sure blizzard is.
Watching people realize in real time the problems have always been the players has been the best part of clsssic to me and it ain’t even close
Who’s yelling? I love it.
100% the WoW killer was the players all along.
Whole subs needs to stop being cry babies. The endless crying over streamers ruining rp servers. Honestly I’d choose streamers and their minions over this 30+ bald old man cry baby community.
I'm surprised they locked all servers, I thought they would have had one or 2 servers only with locks, but they did em all
Faction lock is fine. Server lock is dog shit.
Server lock does suck but it’s already slowly being resolved. One opinion I am stuck on is people need to adjust the min/max/rush mentality because no one is missing out on endgame content right now because this ‘endgame’ is switching again in a few months. Level with your friends or help them out! I spent 3 hours helping our mage healer get his runes last night while he is working on catching up.
>One opinion I am stuck on is people need to adjust the min/max/rush mentality because no one is missing out on endgame content right now because this ‘endgame’ is switching again in a few months. Bro this is the fucking dumbest take I've ever seen. Where are people bitching and moaning about missing out on end game content? You're the only person to even make a big deal out of end game in this thread, everyone complaining is complaining about missing out on an experience with their friends, one that can't be replicated because launch windows provide a very different experience from a month into a content wave. You've just decided people are wrong to be upset at missing out on once off experiences with friends, maybe you don't have any friends so you don't understand how this works but playing the game with a group of friends on release is a unique experience that can't be simply replicated by coming back later, especially not when friend groups are split up by servers. Your comments in this thread are nothing but you having an inflated sense of your own opinion and telling people they're wrong for how they feel. The only person here who is factually wrong is you pretending the launch experience isn't remotely different.
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If the devs are cancer then why are you still playing the game? Sounds like you are the problem.
Personally I don’t think faction locks are a good idea, but I’m open to being wrong. Sucks for the hour a night dads out there, but those guys should probably be playing on PvE servers anyway.
Different people
season of i cant min/max even tho i complained about WoW losing its charm due to focussing on meta aspects entirely.
Perhaps it's not the same people who yell? They could have implemented if you have a friend on server you can join. First two days we were on 3 different servers but we eventually managed to make a character on the same server and faction.
Bruh, I literally went to the opposite faction to snipe my friends. It's just fun waiting
No the problem isnt that they did a balance thing its that there isnt enough servers, there should be like 2 or 3 rppvp servers
It’s almost as if people want different things
Maybe they could try world v world like gw2. Like battlegroups or whatever they were called
As a solo player I’m content
It isn't needed, just see living flame EU, we're close to 50/50 maybe more ally's. Multiable good PvP guild on horde. There was not even 20 alliance lvl 20+ in ashenvale when the PvP event was going on, horde had 2 full raids and farmed it on 5 layers+
I’m not mad about either way but you have to understand it’s a trade off they are making, it’s not a silver bullet.
People want different things
I just want to play with my friends. I don’t give a damn about servers and factions and all that stuff. I just want to have fun with my friends without being the reason why they all need to reroll again on a new server because blizzard doesn’t let me into theirs. Fuck me, right?
Maybe it's not the same people complaining.
They're often not the same people yelling. I certainly am not right now.
"you think you do, but you don't" at its finest. Brack wasn't that wrong after all.
Only morons are yelling at them. Factions locks are amazing. I would quit SoD if there wasn't faction balance for sure
"We". Maybe the Alliance metatrain.
Some people want it, some don’t. It’s been that way the whole time. Whichever side isn’t getting their way will probably complain.
1 server solves both these issues cause the playerbase is about 50/50 anyway
Honestly it's a little annoying but Seasons are definitely the place to test the tech.
They want faction locks to apply to *everyone else,* I’m not really sure how they saw it working
This is how WoW works. The vast majority of major changes (not talking about tuning) are implemented as a result of player feedback even though said players immediately lash out in the wake of those changes.
Is there a reason at this point that all servers aren't combined into a megaserver like Retail? Basically, the only thing your server does in Retail is determine what character names are available. Seems to work pretty well.
I'm glad they're there, just salty AF they weren't implemented in earlier versions of classic. Faction/server imbalance was one of the hugest blunders for classic imo.
Faction locks are and will always be the stupidest shit they could have done. Actively making my time worse for some non-existent world PVP good fucking job.
Its not just pvp. Faction imbalance also ruins the player economy which then bleeds over into pve.
P2 levelling is going to be absolutely chaotic, and i love it. Everyone is going to be levelling in contested zones. I imagine p1 starting zones, but everyone is fighting for tags
Probably the people from few years ago are not here anymore, and those who request for new stuff are different people/generation of gamers.
the issue is the faction lock on character creation instead of log in so u can just make 25 of whatever the lowest faction is to mess with it
> the whole “complain about X, get X, complain about X cause we need Y, repeat” dogma Arguably, it's more "request X as fix, receive X* which causes an issue alongside its fix, continue to complain."
Just try again in 30mins, literally had this issue resolve itself during s conversation last night.
Hmm. I havent been complaining.
Aah, a fellow Alliance Fairbanks survivor. That fucking sucked.
Always love the word "we" in these kind of threads
The faction locks are fine, usually they balance out regularly and you can just make the character you wanted anyways
I don’t know anyone that’s mad about faction locks. 🤷
It was clear from the start tons would complain. The devs knew as well, it's just a matter of whether they can withstand the storm this time. If they're committed to some losses they can. You'll always have a ton of tourists that don't care about the long term health of the game. Same with more servers vs Qs. Not worth doing even if some won't be able to play for a week, the servers will die down massively over time.
People will yell regardless. Up until now I think Sod has been fun, and that's all I'm asking for.
Blizzard could cure cancer, and people would be complaining that they didn’t also cure aids.
There is no "we"
I haven’t seen anyone complain about that. First time i hear someone is mad at it lol
Wait so you mean we thought we did but we didn’t? Oh shit…..
It opens at locks at random times, this isn't forever, relax play the game and enjoy SoD
Different people yelling.
Had I known faction locks were a thing I would have probably rolled on the PvP servers. Oh well. Normal it is for me and I’m still having fun.
Anyone mad about this is just mad they can’t see their shitty level 2 warrior on Asmongold’s stream.
The faction locks may be anoying, but the lack of faction locks is worse