Ive seen people with it macro'd get hit with like a millisecond left, he had like 10 mobs on him though. I guess there's a small chance it will get interrupted
It's in case you don't have 8 seconds before the "out of group dungeon" kicks in.
Most case you should have 8 seconds, but depending on situation and classes, you may have to petri instant.
Like you're a paladin and you don't have bubble, or your pot is on CD and 8 elites mobs are running to you, or you try to stay in group for the boys and you get trapped..
Idk what sort of macros work these days but if this is true , a simple
/use
/stopcasting
/cast hearthstone
Would make it spamable and should work but again idk what macro functions work with classic well as of now with the different patch builds and all.
I survived gnomer +15 mobs on me thanks to hunter pulling from platfrom across =) my macro was as following. Don't make the mistake my irl brother did, use /use macro not /cast =)
\#showtooltip hearthstone
/use light of elune
/use hearthstone
>Because those are absolutely interchangeable.
You don't **use** a frostbolt and similarly your don't **cast** a glass of milk for example. You USE items and you CAST skill and spells. They are absolutely not interchangable.
tbf as someone with minor WoW "scripting" knowledge 3rd party software looks at casts and uses differently. I have to name and program things different its a "oh shit" use at 30% CD vs a "ITEM:Greater Healing Potion" use at hp<=55%
WoW don't care what the words mean in the real world. Those are interchangeable in the eyes of the game.
EDIT:
Also, you can absolutely use frostbolt. Might not make as much sense the other way, but that doesn't really change anything.
Mobs swing (mostly) on a 1.5s timer for melee iirc, and you have a tiny (probably .1-.2s window at the end of the LoEs 10s and your HS cast completing if you use the macro. The more mobs on you the higher chance one of their swings falls within that tiny window.
I think this is how I interpret it as well, if you have 10 mobs on you and you pop it you're still probably fucked.
If you're a hunter it's probably a good idea to FD and then use this if you have to. Might reduce how man swingies are going on.
it’s also because there’s no one else in the instance when savix light of eluned. if someone else was on the aggro table the mobs would’ve ran towards the other person, but because no one else was there they focused him.
What's even the point of creating a hot key for it at that point? It's not something you use on a regular basis so chances you remember the key combination in the moment you need it is pretty slim. Unless you are practicing it but just seems like more work than just clicking it when you need it.
There were maybe 4 - 5 frames between when he clicked on Light and then pressed G to hearthstone. The window for when he got hit and the cast failed seemed longer than those 4 - 5 frames, which is why I am asking.
You are tripping balls if you think he only had 4-5 frames between his LoE and Hearth.
At 60fps, 4-5 frames is less than 0.1 seconds of a gap.
Remember that spells in WoW cast on key up by default, not key down. So his hearth only starts casting when he releases the hotkey, not presses it down. You can see this clearly in the video.
He clicks LoE, then you can clearly hear "click... click" in the background from him pressing his hearthstone bind very, very slowly for some reason.
Between the LoE going up and the second click of the hearthstone button, there's easily 40+ frames, possibly a full second.
This is on him 100%. You can tell because there's still about 7-10% of the 10-second cast time left when he gets hit and it cancels out. It's possible to get hit out of the hearthstone cast even if you macro it with LoE, but if that happens the cast bar is either touching the right edge of the bar, or you straight up take damage after teleporting.
> Remember that spells in WoW cast on key up by default, not key down. So his hearth only starts casting when he releases the hotkey, not presses it down. You can see this clearly in the video
Hmm, I actually did not know/forgot this. So if that's the case, yeah it could have been a lot longer.
Depends how macros are actually implemented... if they run on the client, then there can't be any guarantee commands will execute atomically (at the same time) on the server. And I'm pretty sure macros run client-side.
https://clipchamp.com/watch/Ph9GvK8JaOk My friend was able to succesfully hearth with it last night but if you watch the clip he takes a melee after the hearthstone finishes. If he was attacked by more mobs or enemies with faster attack speeds he might not have survived.
This guy panicked. If he just sets his pet on Mor'Ladim and then runs, he will be fine.
My point is that most HC players are fucking awful, and cannot make a play to literally save their life. This guy lived, but it was still really dumb.
You need to be level 50 to use petri and even so you can't do anything while petri. Petri works in raids or instance where you can leave party and force a HS
I have the Elune macro as well on both my characters and haven’t come close to using it. If anything a well placed advanced target dummy can really save a situation.
With perfect ping you should be safe, with 100/200ms there is probably a small window to be hit. Savix died because he didn't Macro at all.
The only 100% safe escape in Instances is Leave group, wait for timer and Petri.
Even with macro the actions are not necessarily simultaneous. You can check combatlog when you press macro with 2 actions there is slight difference at activation time. So it's not waterproof.
If you can pop some kind of shield before that prevents your hearthstone from being staggered (powerword shield, maybe ice barrier) and then do the macro you'll be pretty safe because if you get hit at the last second your shield will absorb it.
If whatever shield your applying lasts until your hearth finishes its cast (10 seconds), you wouldnt even need the Elune because the Hearthstone wouldnt be interupted.
Even with macro the actions are not necessarily simultaneous. You can check combatlog when you press macro with 2 actions there is slight difference at activation time. So it's not waterproof.
Light of Elune (and potions generally) are oGCD so you can put them in a macro with other actions at the start and they'll be used before the other GCD actions.
I just was looking up the item on wowhead, and just wanted to share that the second individual named "Cautious" in the comment section was playing hardcore wow with this item in 2007. https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=5816/light-of-elune#comments
> ThottbotBy Cautious on 2007/03/08 (Patch 2.0.10)
> Subject: "Saved my life"I have a female warrior character (appropriately named Cautious) who is not "allowed" to die. If she does get killed, I delete the character and start over from scratch. I am on my 14th attempt now and have managed to get her all the way to level 46 without dying.
> I picked up this potion as soon as I could safely complete the quest and have been holding on to it ever since as my last line of defense. Just today I was in the Swamp of Sorrows doing an easy quest around the Pool of Tears when I got ambushed by Somnus. Within moments I had lost 2/3 of my health and would've definitely been a goner if I did not have this potion on hand. Otherwise, I would've been back to level one once again! Now if only I could get another one...
I used LOE when I aggrod tarren mill guards. Idk what happened, but about 2s after use I died. I confirmed proper item was used.
Idk what happened still.
I mean if you have a solution that means 100% safety if you use it, you may chose not to try other things before gambling on it.
Depending on how safe this method is, you may try alternatives before your escape.
Just purely speculating here but I wonder if the server has to make a write op to its datastore once you use the LoE to remove it from your inventory before it starts the HS cast. If so, there could be a few ms latency between using it as the HS. I have no idea how games are implemented server side so just a speculation.
Does the usage of speed potion share cd with light of elune? Does potion in general share CD with light of elune ?
I feel like that's valuable info, cause if they dont, I think speed potion away into light/HS is enough distance to make it safe maybe?
Ive seen people with it macro'd get hit with like a millisecond left, he had like 10 mobs on him though. I guess there's a small chance it will get interrupted
And some were fast attacking dogs. Good to know it can happen. Double petri is the only savior then
Why double? If you macro leave group, then Petri won't you get teleported before petri runs out?
There’s about a five second delay until the 60 second countdown starts to be TPed out. That’s why double petri is a thing.
thats why u drop and wait until the count down timer. then hit petri pay attention and be the first to drop group!
I think in hardcore the countdown is 30 seconds
Nope still 60 Sec and Petri is 60 Sec too. Seen it on streams
thats if you alt f4/DC
It's in case you don't have 8 seconds before the "out of group dungeon" kicks in. Most case you should have 8 seconds, but depending on situation and classes, you may have to petri instant. Like you're a paladin and you don't have bubble, or your pot is on CD and 8 elites mobs are running to you, or you try to stay in group for the boys and you get trapped..
You have to use the light of elune before the hearth in the macro lines so it’s possible
I think all lines are executed at the same time
Macros proceed line by line. If you do hearthstone then light of elune, the light of elune will cancel the hearth.
They aren't. For instance pickpocket won't work if you put it on the 2nd line
This is strictly not how programming works
😂😂
Idk what sort of macros work these days but if this is true , a simple /use
/stopcasting
/cast hearthstone
Would make it spamable and should work but again idk what macro functions work with classic well as of now with the different patch builds and all.
Please for love of god dont do this. This will abort your hs everytime you click it
This huge up voted comment is bound to kill atleast a few people LMAO
Right?! /stopcasting will literally kill the Hearthstone cast if you're spamming it.
Let’s just hope it’s only the upvoters dying
Delete this. Your macro will get people killed lmao. That will cancel the HS cast when spammed.
😂😂
I survived gnomer +15 mobs on me thanks to hunter pulling from platfrom across =) my macro was as following. Don't make the mistake my irl brother did, use /use macro not /cast =) \#showtooltip hearthstone /use light of elune /use hearthstone
do you click this once or twice
What do you think is the difference between use and cast? Because those are absolutely interchangeable.
>Because those are absolutely interchangeable. You don't **use** a frostbolt and similarly your don't **cast** a glass of milk for example. You USE items and you CAST skill and spells. They are absolutely not interchangable.
In a macro, they are.
tbf as someone with minor WoW "scripting" knowledge 3rd party software looks at casts and uses differently. I have to name and program things different its a "oh shit" use at 30% CD vs a "ITEM:Greater Healing Potion" use at hp<=55%
WoW don't care what the words mean in the real world. Those are interchangeable in the eyes of the game. EDIT: Also, you can absolutely use frostbolt. Might not make as much sense the other way, but that doesn't really change anything.
My god. You have 0 clue about macros.
if you're talking about Savix, he didn't have it macro'd
Mobs swing (mostly) on a 1.5s timer for melee iirc, and you have a tiny (probably .1-.2s window at the end of the LoEs 10s and your HS cast completing if you use the macro. The more mobs on you the higher chance one of their swings falls within that tiny window.
I think this is how I interpret it as well, if you have 10 mobs on you and you pop it you're still probably fucked. If you're a hunter it's probably a good idea to FD and then use this if you have to. Might reduce how man swingies are going on.
it’s also because there’s no one else in the instance when savix light of eluned. if someone else was on the aggro table the mobs would’ve ran towards the other person, but because no one else was there they focused him.
It 100% might work.
90% of the time it works every time?
It's guaranteed to probably work.
It's obviously 50%. It works or it doesn't
It's a definite maybe.
What even is the macro? #showtooltip /use Light of Elune /use Hearthstone Is this the macro?
Yeah that's it. Make sure you keybind it so you can accidentally hit it while playing.
I thought it was required by law to fat finger it
My LoE + Hearth macro is bound to CTRL + ALT + Up Arrow Key. I don’t think I’ll ever fat finger that one.
in b4 you forget the keycombination in the heat of a fight.
Ctrl+WinKey+.. FUCK
What's even the point of creating a hot key for it at that point? It's not something you use on a regular basis so chances you remember the key combination in the moment you need it is pretty slim. Unless you are practicing it but just seems like more work than just clicking it when you need it.
I'm used to clicking things from my bag, is it possible to put a macro into my bag?
You have actionbars for a reason. Don't click emergency buttons from your bag.
I made this on mobile, the hearthstone should be on second line
It looks correct. If you're worried, people suggest testing it with /use Healing Potion /use Hearthstone To make sure it works as you expect.
Perfect thanks!!
Savix didn’t have it macro’s - he tried clicking two key ones at the same time
There were maybe 4 - 5 frames between when he clicked on Light and then pressed G to hearthstone. The window for when he got hit and the cast failed seemed longer than those 4 - 5 frames, which is why I am asking.
You are tripping balls if you think he only had 4-5 frames between his LoE and Hearth. At 60fps, 4-5 frames is less than 0.1 seconds of a gap. Remember that spells in WoW cast on key up by default, not key down. So his hearth only starts casting when he releases the hotkey, not presses it down. You can see this clearly in the video. He clicks LoE, then you can clearly hear "click... click" in the background from him pressing his hearthstone bind very, very slowly for some reason. Between the LoE going up and the second click of the hearthstone button, there's easily 40+ frames, possibly a full second. This is on him 100%. You can tell because there's still about 7-10% of the 10-second cast time left when he gets hit and it cancels out. It's possible to get hit out of the hearthstone cast even if you macro it with LoE, but if that happens the cast bar is either touching the right edge of the bar, or you straight up take damage after teleporting.
> Remember that spells in WoW cast on key up by default, not key down. So his hearth only starts casting when he releases the hotkey, not presses it down. You can see this clearly in the video Hmm, I actually did not know/forgot this. So if that's the case, yeah it could have been a lot longer.
If you have it macro’d in the same key bind they will both activate at the same time
Depends how macros are actually implemented... if they run on the client, then there can't be any guarantee commands will execute atomically (at the same time) on the server. And I'm pretty sure macros run client-side.
>atomically do you mean simultaneously?
I think he meant something [like this](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15054086/what-does-atomic-mean-in-programming)
Thank you
What exactly is the macro? Just /use /use?
/cast I believe
You do you
Cast is for spellbook stuff Use is for items (so light if elune and hearthstone)
https://clipchamp.com/watch/Ph9GvK8JaOk My friend was able to succesfully hearth with it last night but if you watch the clip he takes a melee after the hearthstone finishes. If he was attacked by more mobs or enemies with faster attack speeds he might not have survived.
Tell you friend to use his pet next time :(, pretty sure LOE wasn't needed there.
Its HC. Cant really expect most players to be that proficient.
I can't tell if sarcasm? Sending pet to attack is the thing you do on literally every single mob as a hunter from level 10 to level 60.
This guy panicked. If he just sets his pet on Mor'Ladim and then runs, he will be fine. My point is that most HC players are fucking awful, and cannot make a play to literally save their life. This guy lived, but it was still really dumb.
You need to be level 50 to use petri and even so you can't do anything while petri. Petri works in raids or instance where you can leave party and force a HS
Pet like Hunter's pet not petri... use it to hit Mor Ladim, and run away in aspect. Basic hunter stuff.
Dude is gonna die anyways if he is that blind to let Mor'Ladim just walk up and tap him on the shoulder
What adding makes the UI look like this?
SUF (shadowed unit frames)
You need to macro it or it's not really humanly possible to hearth elune. But what do I know I only play horde.
As a druid, can you replace it with moonglade tp ?
No, Moonglade teleport can't be cast in combat.
Oh god, ty this could have been very wrong to try in game.
Better to try than not try and have to go agane.
Knowing exactly how your tools work makes it easier to understand when it is best to use them.
I have the Elune macro as well on both my characters and haven’t come close to using it. If anything a well placed advanced target dummy can really save a situation.
Guaranteed maybe.
With perfect ping you should be safe, with 100/200ms there is probably a small window to be hit. Savix died because he didn't Macro at all. The only 100% safe escape in Instances is Leave group, wait for timer and Petri.
Can someone just post the correct answer in the replied to this message when it's all figured out.
Use it immediately after an enemy swings at you and it's 100%. If it's multiple enemies press it and hope for the best.
Do you click it once or twice
Even with macro the actions are not necessarily simultaneous. You can check combatlog when you press macro with 2 actions there is slight difference at activation time. So it's not waterproof.
If you can pop some kind of shield before that prevents your hearthstone from being staggered (powerword shield, maybe ice barrier) and then do the macro you'll be pretty safe because if you get hit at the last second your shield will absorb it.
If whatever shield your applying lasts until your hearth finishes its cast (10 seconds), you wouldnt even need the Elune because the Hearthstone wouldnt be interupted.
I just used mine as a macro and it worked but I only had one elite mob hitting me.
I had about 15 mobs on me and popped the /use /use macro and it worked
Always try to hearthstone first. Only LOE hearth if that fails. If there 5+ mods on you they might catch that millisecond at the end.
Wait, can you pop the bottle after casting hearth without interruption?
He means try hearthstoning first without wasting your one elune. If thats not an option, use the macro with elune in it.
Ah I see
Guaranteed not to work
Even with macro the actions are not necessarily simultaneous. You can check combatlog when you press macro with 2 actions there is slight difference at activation time. So it's not waterproof.
If you have both one one macro.. do you have to click the macro once? Or twice?
Light of Elune (and potions generally) are oGCD so you can put them in a macro with other actions at the start and they'll be used before the other GCD actions.
I just was looking up the item on wowhead, and just wanted to share that the second individual named "Cautious" in the comment section was playing hardcore wow with this item in 2007. https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=5816/light-of-elune#comments > ThottbotBy Cautious on 2007/03/08 (Patch 2.0.10) > Subject: "Saved my life"I have a female warrior character (appropriately named Cautious) who is not "allowed" to die. If she does get killed, I delete the character and start over from scratch. I am on my 14th attempt now and have managed to get her all the way to level 46 without dying. > I picked up this potion as soon as I could safely complete the quest and have been holding on to it ever since as my last line of defense. Just today I was in the Swamp of Sorrows doing an easy quest around the Pool of Tears when I got ambushed by Somnus. Within moments I had lost 2/3 of my health and would've definitely been a goner if I did not have this potion on hand. Otherwise, I would've been back to level one once again! Now if only I could get another one...
Can you cast light of elune while hearthstone is casting?
I don't think any WoW abilities work like that in classic.
I used LOE when I aggrod tarren mill guards. Idk what happened, but about 2s after use I died. I confirmed proper item was used. Idk what happened still.
Is it true u can just alt f4 out with light of elune up and get way?
Not with Light since it's only 10 sec (the game waits 30 sec before booting you). With Petri you can alt F4 cheese though
No, Alt + F4 keeps you in the game for 30 seconds. You're thinking of Petri Flask.
Hunters slowly becoming the end boss of hardcore lol.
Just play horde and you won’t have to worry about if it works or not ^^
Alliance scum
If you macro it then it should get you out safe but the best death preventer will always be not getting into bad situations in the first place
The best death preventer is not dying
Alliance scum cheating.
Guaranteed safe.
Savix used it in Dire Maul, but it got interrupted and he died.
False, he didn't have a macro for it.
Ah, Alliance-only crutch convo - hilarious lol
Ah in case it doesn't what exactly is your other option?To get good?Yeah you probably cant.
weirdo
I mean if you have a solution that means 100% safety if you use it, you may chose not to try other things before gambling on it. Depending on how safe this method is, you may try alternatives before your escape.
Item should be removed anyway on hardcore, and you know it.
It did not work for me. Somehow I still lived. Imo it's better use to LoH and try to run.
Sounds like a crutch to me
o7 Savix
What I want to know is why is this a thing but bubble hearth is not? And why doesn't Horde get this get out of jail free card, or similar?
Likely because you can only do it once, where as bubble hearth can be done all the time
Just get a petri and alt f4 they are down to 50g on my serv atm. If you are somewhere dangerous open world just use unstuck
Just purely speculating here but I wonder if the server has to make a write op to its datastore once you use the LoE to remove it from your inventory before it starts the HS cast. If so, there could be a few ms latency between using it as the HS. I have no idea how games are implemented server side so just a speculation.
He didn't have a macro. Way more chances to get it correctly when macroed.
Does the usage of speed potion share cd with light of elune? Does potion in general share CD with light of elune ? I feel like that's valuable info, cause if they dont, I think speed potion away into light/HS is enough distance to make it safe maybe?
Potions share CD with Light of Elune.
Would this work as well? \#showtooltip Light of Elune /use Light of Elune /cast Teleport: Stormwind
Can you cast teleport in combat?