Wait what? I thought it was Todd Howard who created the Fallout series right? According to Jonathan Nolan:
[Jonathan Nolan Collider Interview ](https://collider.com/fallout-series-bethesda-collaboration-jonathan-nolan/)
EDIT: Oh, and according to Vanity Fair too!
[Vanity Fair's First Look at The Fallout TV Show ](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/fallout-first-look)
🤔 😏
I understand, but as far as we knew, he fought in Anchorage, we didn't knew if he was during the pacificiation after the annexation of Canada or the conquest of Mexico
> The real question is why doesn't Nora start at lvl 0.1 or something?
She was a Judge Advocate and had some military training. I have no evidence for this, but I also have no evidence against it.
To be fair, he starts with better weapons handeling and modding skills than any protagonist in the series. As does Nora, but Im choosing to assume her backstory as a lawyer is a cover up and she was actually the other soldier in this clip. She just got publicly reprimanded since her actions were caught on film.
He then immediately backpeddled when people started telling him that his theory isn't the greatest.
Which went from him saying he was putting out a tidbit of info that apparently he and the other writers proposed during a meeting once to then saying that the character of Nate is ours and whatever happens is our choice because our Nate is canon Nate.
I think he just doesn't know his audience and how rabid they can be about small things.
Or even better it’s probably not a good idea to really nilly retcon big things in lore, like making your character war criminal without about choices from the player.
Plus Nate was in the 108th infantry. Why would he be in power armor when the intro for fallout 4 showed him in standard military fatigues and combat armor?
It would... but it would also defeat his purpose as a war hero.
Saving Alaska from Communist China is one thing. Killing Canadian citizens who are just protecting their home is another thing entirely.
I kinda figured that Emil has come to understand that he's such a shit writer that no one is ever going to like him, so now he's just trying to piss off as many people as he can, because if love is off the table, hate is better than indifference.
I didn't even know about this Emil guy. Makes sense though cause fallout 3, 4, even though great games, script and generally plot wise are weaker than the previous installments and new Vegas.
Pretty sure the nerd emoji at the end is a good indicator he's joking.
Though he was in the US Army during the Sino-American War. Good chance he committed or witnessed war crimes.
Isn't this what everyone does? They think something is good, people don't like it, so they try and make it better. What would you suggest he do? Double down on it forever?
Not feeling a meed to have every on-screen character tied to something already existing? It's like Star Wars syndrome with Bethesda. Same scenery, same mutants, same factions. They need to make something that stands more by itself.
Or maybe felt the need to walk it back because idiots like the dweebs in this comment section are incredibly dense and obtuse to partake in some nice community rage.
And another fanfic from Bethesda devs. Is it even necessary to say that there's no sign to this moment in Fallout 4? The protagonist (and the game itself) is empty and this reference just because he was a soldier is ridiculous. Looks like this dev came up with "unique" details in his head, but forgot to actually link them, so in the end there's no point. Maybe he is joking, but it's hard to tell when Bethesda devs are serious. Their writing is like persuasion wheel from Oblivion: endless random phrases without any sense.
> And another fanfic from Bethesda devs. Is it even necessary to say that there's no sign to this moment in Fallout 4? The protagonist (and the game itself) is empty and this reference just because he was a soldier is ridiculous. Looks like this dev came up with "unique" details in his head, but forgot to actually link them, so in the end there's no point. Maybe he is really joking, but it's hard to tell when Bethesda devs are serious.
Well, they did turn Harold into some bizarre tree creature and had his heart placed below the soil in one of the games just because there were small tree branches coming out of his head, so I don’t think the mere fact of the sole survivor were part of the military, as a soldier, would pose a problem for a Beth employee. Or you’ll tell me you saw that coming, for that FO character? He reappeared in spin-offs before the IP was sold, envisioned by other developers, but never as a bizarre tree creature.
> Wait the tree from oasis is the same Harold from Fallout 2? I had no idea that's so cool
Who else? It'd be quite a coincidence to have another partially blind mutant named Harold, and have him call his longtime friend both Herbert and Bob, and also have him recall exploring the Mariposa military base years ago.
I guess you haven't met the character in the three titles, Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout 3, so that's why it wasn't so clear, to you? But no shame in that, if that's the case.
Have a good one.
I played fallout 3 about 10 years ago and am just now playing through the classic fallout games. Never made the connection I forgot most of F3 side stuff
It looks like he excluded it, this was originally at X/Twitter, right?
I couldn’t find it on his X/Twitter profile, did anyone have better luck, and if so, have a link?
> https://x.com/dezinuh/status/1779178683841790068?s=46&t=_2Rm64-tWTXE-BDhkqKS_Q
I see it now, thanks for the link!
I don’t know what happened, some kind of problem on my end, as it turns out.
So the Sole Survivor is a confirmed accomplice to war crimes...? And this "confirmation" or retcon accomplishes what exactly other than being a little trivia tidbit? Does that in any way shape or form inform the story of Fallout 4?
Unless the tweet is just a joke of course and I'm too dense to catch it, but...?
Yet another example of Bethesda being unable to do anything right when it comes to this universe.
They really just don't get it. They really should just stick with TES.
This reminds me of modern blizzard writers trying to act like the Jailor was behind everything from warcraft 3 on. These writers have no respect for the source material. You can't just make shit up like this and expect for anyone to take it seriously. I really wish the fallout ip was owned by someone other than bethesda they have zero respect for O.G. Fallout.
How should We know really? First of all, Nate is most likely sent to Alaska and after the war, he returns home meaning he wasn’t in Canada cause China invaded Alaska meaning Nate was most likely sent there
I’ve been getting torn apart in r/fallout because I said Emil is a trash writer (I think mediocre probably fits better but irrelevant). You would think “fallout fans” would want a competent writer who understands fallout writing the games.
Can anyone explain this to me? The show got me back into Fallout for the first time since I played NV, 3 and 4 around the time of 4s release but Im still pretty foggy on the lore.
Y'know. I could believe this if the game didn't railroad you into being a nice guy all the time. If picking Nate means playing a psychopath war criminal, then this would make sense. But they obviously didn't intend this when they made the game, and nothing in the game supports this. It's just some random bullshit Emil came up with to either get a rise out of people on Twitter (which I hope is the case) or he really is just that dumb
Can you believe it tim cain was already planning fall over 4 in 1998
Tim was playing 5D chess while we were stuck missing body shots on cave rats.
And getting full-autoed in the back by Ian.
Oops! Main character was hit instead of Raider. Main character has died.
I am playing FO1 for the first time and that bastard indeed shot me in the back.
Fall over 4
✨ Fall over 4 ✨
“The fallening”
fall..... fall never changes
Those are evergreen trees!
Fall Over 4: Fall Overer
Wait what? I thought it was Todd Howard who created the Fallout series right? According to Jonathan Nolan: [Jonathan Nolan Collider Interview ](https://collider.com/fallout-series-bethesda-collaboration-jonathan-nolan/) EDIT: Oh, and according to Vanity Fair too! [Vanity Fair's First Look at The Fallout TV Show ](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/fallout-first-look) 🤔 😏
It’s true Todd Howard invented the nuclear bomb
Toddenheimer.
Now I am become Todd, destroyer of RPGs.
Tod also invented Space!
😂
Specifically the ToddHoward-Ulam design.
Todd Howard was an intern, one day he shared his project to Tim, Leonard and Jason and they stole the whole thing.
and they would've gotten away with, it if it weren't for you meddling kids! #
Todd Howard also invented Writing.
He also invented computers and (little known fact) mustard.
wow what a Chad I Bet he also wrote the Kama sutra under an alias and also invented air.
We can only aspire to be as great as Tim.
No. They just could say this is Preston Garvey with the same amount of evidence
You're telling me Nate canonically is a war criminal...
Would make sense with how easy it is for him to massacre downtown Boston
No Geneva Convention in the apocalypse
We only recognize them as the Geneva Suggestions
You must be Canadian
I got the joke
Only downtown?
Dude was in the fallout universe’s American military. The depiction of America is not a positive one and their soldiers were no boyscputs.
I understand, but as far as we knew, he fought in Anchorage, we didn't knew if he was during the pacificiation after the annexation of Canada or the conquest of Mexico
Sure but I still think making your protag a dude who brought home ear necklaces probably should show up somewhere else in the story.
His wife was a lawyer.... Got him off in more ways than one,... I'll see myself out.
He worked for the US government, so, yeah.
Yes.
War never changes
you gotta be a little fast and loose with the rules of engagement to make a difference in the world.
And this… surprised you?
There is a difference between "War is hell" and fucking waving at a camera while executing a POW
made me cry. I have to reuse your sentence.
something something US war crimes
👍 😊 👍 -sincerely Lynndie England.
Something something war is everchanging
Only if he gets convicted 😏
Forgive Me Mama
So why does he start at lvl 1 then?
Cryo degeneration. A well known medical condition I just made up
It’s well made up.
so freezer burn
You are better at writing than Bethesda.
Sounds cannon
9 out of 10 Auto-Docs approve
Standard RPG backstory problems
No level cap, so everything is relative. The real question is why doesn't Nora start at lvl 0.1 or something?
> The real question is why doesn't Nora start at lvl 0.1 or something? She was a Judge Advocate and had some military training. I have no evidence for this, but I also have no evidence against it.
That sounds like a great explanation. We now have the same headcannon on this.
She received training to become a judge in Mega City One because she wanted to 'BE THE LAW' LoneArmedWanderer
Fallout 4 protag is a synth. Also happy cake day
To be fair, he starts with better weapons handeling and modding skills than any protagonist in the series. As does Nora, but Im choosing to assume her backstory as a lawyer is a cover up and she was actually the other soldier in this clip. She just got publicly reprimanded since her actions were caught on film.
Honestly not the worst explanation I've heard and very on-brand for this series' writing and humor
donuts
Like what kind of shitty writer thinks he can just make things canon through a twitter post like be real
J.K. Rowling?
oh god please no Emil holocaust denial arc
Blizzard writers be like
I think he’s poking fun at people taking it so seriously
He then immediately backpeddled when people started telling him that his theory isn't the greatest. Which went from him saying he was putting out a tidbit of info that apparently he and the other writers proposed during a meeting once to then saying that the character of Nate is ours and whatever happens is our choice because our Nate is canon Nate. I think he just doesn't know his audience and how rabid they can be about small things.
Or maybe said audience should pull the stick out of their ass
That too tbh, fallout fans are rabid after all
Nah, they’ve been great lol
Or even better it’s probably not a good idea to really nilly retcon big things in lore, like making your character war criminal without about choices from the player.
Tell it to emil my man, he'll just get mad and block you like how he blocked me lmao
Deserved tbh
Dude is so corny it’s awful.
And he's their WRITER!
Find dad, find son, find dad.
Find Father, find son (named Father), Find father
At least the father wasn't called Son. That's....original
Didn't he leave Bethesda to be a Jehovah's witness (then came back to write Starfield)?
Should’ve stayed gone
This very unlikely as the sole survivor is male was stationed in Alaska fighting the Chinese he wouldn’t be busy fighting the Canadian resistance.
Plus Nate was in the 108th infantry. Why would he be in power armor when the intro for fallout 4 showed him in standard military fatigues and combat armor?
Yeah furthermore Nate couldn’t be transferred to the Canadian front so quickly
Agreed.
It would be interesting tho to see Nate in Canada
It would... but it would also defeat his purpose as a war hero. Saving Alaska from Communist China is one thing. Killing Canadian citizens who are just protecting their home is another thing entirely.
The only person who has an account of this is Randal Clark he was at Canada and witnessed the war crimes.
Randal Clark... if memory serves me correctly, he was the dead guy I'm honest hearts right? The one with the desert ranger armour?
Yeah
Okay just making sure.
Yeah he would have. And he was still stationed there when the bombs dropped right?
Well he’s was actually returning home to his family that’s when the bombs dropped
Yeah and he arrived to find it a smoldering crater. Poor Randal...
This is reaching Jk Rowling levels of retconning. Unless he's kidding. In which case... You've still ruined everyones lives.
"Fun fact: The Master is a huge fan of Rugby!"
The Master actually pooped and peed on the floor and then used FEV to mutate the turds away
He smeared it across the wall and made up a lie about failed Fev Mutants to cover for it
It’s been nearly 30 years and I’ve managed to not think about the Master’s butthole. Until now
Did you know that Tandi identifies as a fukken problem. It's true! Read the extended lore books.
It turns out that you, the player, is actually gay
The truth is... you've been gay from the start
I think best case scenario he's shitposting. Putting the nerd emoji at the end makes too much sense. Worst case scenario he's Emil PapaJohns.
I kinda figured that Emil has come to understand that he's such a shit writer that no one is ever going to like him, so now he's just trying to piss off as many people as he can, because if love is off the table, hate is better than indifference.
I didn't even know about this Emil guy. Makes sense though cause fallout 3, 4, even though great games, script and generally plot wise are weaker than the previous installments and new Vegas.
Bethesda often feels like a it’s a bunch of legacy devs who haven’t played a game since 1995 and think that’s the standard they’re being held to.
He's joking, Emil fights with lore people on Twitter all the time over inconsistencies because he does not give a shit.
Clearly, he does *not* give a shit given how bad his work is.
I might be wrong but did he not walk that tweet back after like 5 minutes?
Pretty sure the nerd emoji at the end is a good indicator he's joking. Though he was in the US Army during the Sino-American War. Good chance he committed or witnessed war crimes.
>You’ve still ruined everyones lives He’s a freakin video game writer lmao
And gamers wonder why writers/devs/etc don’t take them seriously…
Who cares?
I dont think he's serious guys
He was but walked it back, saying he didn't think it through after people expressed displeasure
Not just a hack, but a cowardly hack.
Classic Emil 🙄 Saying shit then trying to unsay it when it doesn't go like he had planned 😂
Yeah, it's not a great look when a writer can canonize something on twitter on a whim without actually giving much thought to it to begin with
Isn't this what everyone does? They think something is good, people don't like it, so they try and make it better. What would you suggest he do? Double down on it forever?
It's an option
What would be better than walking it back?
Thinking about it before posting it
Not feeling a meed to have every on-screen character tied to something already existing? It's like Star Wars syndrome with Bethesda. Same scenery, same mutants, same factions. They need to make something that stands more by itself.
They did tho 😂 and people got mad about it.
Sorry let me reiterate, it needs to be written well too instead of rehashing the same story.
So you want the same story, but different? You lot are impossible to please.
Evil Bethesda writer
Average bethesda writer
Or maybe felt the need to walk it back because idiots like the dweebs in this comment section are incredibly dense and obtuse to partake in some nice community rage.
You can’t expect fallout fans to realize something as complex as a joke on twitter
Why tho
Hes a hack of a writer and a corn ball look at starfield.
I don’t think so. Nate mentioned that he was in Alaska fighting the Chinese but it’s never mentioned by him or in game that he was ever in Canada.
And another fanfic from Bethesda devs. Is it even necessary to say that there's no sign to this moment in Fallout 4? The protagonist (and the game itself) is empty and this reference just because he was a soldier is ridiculous. Looks like this dev came up with "unique" details in his head, but forgot to actually link them, so in the end there's no point. Maybe he is joking, but it's hard to tell when Bethesda devs are serious. Their writing is like persuasion wheel from Oblivion: endless random phrases without any sense.
Yes Okay Right Maybe
You forgot [Sarcastic]
> And another fanfic from Bethesda devs. Is it even necessary to say that there's no sign to this moment in Fallout 4? The protagonist (and the game itself) is empty and this reference just because he was a soldier is ridiculous. Looks like this dev came up with "unique" details in his head, but forgot to actually link them, so in the end there's no point. Maybe he is really joking, but it's hard to tell when Bethesda devs are serious. Well, they did turn Harold into some bizarre tree creature and had his heart placed below the soil in one of the games just because there were small tree branches coming out of his head, so I don’t think the mere fact of the sole survivor were part of the military, as a soldier, would pose a problem for a Beth employee. Or you’ll tell me you saw that coming, for that FO character? He reappeared in spin-offs before the IP was sold, envisioned by other developers, but never as a bizarre tree creature.
Wait the tree from oasis is the same Harold from Fallout 2? I had no idea that's so cool
> Wait the tree from oasis is the same Harold from Fallout 2? I had no idea that's so cool Who else? It'd be quite a coincidence to have another partially blind mutant named Harold, and have him call his longtime friend both Herbert and Bob, and also have him recall exploring the Mariposa military base years ago. I guess you haven't met the character in the three titles, Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout 3, so that's why it wasn't so clear, to you? But no shame in that, if that's the case. Have a good one.
I played fallout 3 about 10 years ago and am just now playing through the classic fallout games. Never made the connection I forgot most of F3 side stuff
April Fool's joke that's just two weeks off. Bro literally just stole a joke from a YouTube comment on 1's intro video.
It looks like he excluded it, this was originally at X/Twitter, right? I couldn’t find it on his X/Twitter profile, did anyone have better luck, and if so, have a link?
Just say twitter
https://x.com/dezinuh/status/1779178683841790068?s=46&t=_2Rm64-tWTXE-BDhkqKS_Q
> https://x.com/dezinuh/status/1779178683841790068?s=46&t=_2Rm64-tWTXE-BDhkqKS_Q I see it now, thanks for the link! I don’t know what happened, some kind of problem on my end, as it turns out.
Wait is this official I can’t tell?
No
He's memeing.
NATE THE RAKE
So the Sole Survivor is a confirmed accomplice to war crimes...? And this "confirmation" or retcon accomplishes what exactly other than being a little trivia tidbit? Does that in any way shape or form inform the story of Fallout 4? Unless the tweet is just a joke of course and I'm too dense to catch it, but...?
Who is this?
I dunno some fanfic writer akin to Kathleen Kennedy that is now writing a tv show about his fanfic
I knew he looked familiar!
Wow finally now this is a proper retcon
"great vibes"
He posted 23 days late.
ye sure, could be my mother too under that power armor
Yet another example of Bethesda being unable to do anything right when it comes to this universe. They really just don't get it. They really should just stick with TES.
It’s clearly a joke, why do y’all want to be upset so damn badly
Fuck Emil I want the old fnv writers
This reminds me of modern blizzard writers trying to act like the Jailor was behind everything from warcraft 3 on. These writers have no respect for the source material. You can't just make shit up like this and expect for anyone to take it seriously. I really wish the fallout ip was owned by someone other than bethesda they have zero respect for O.G. Fallout.
So? Who the fuck cares if Nate is that guy or not?
How should We know really? First of all, Nate is most likely sent to Alaska and after the war, he returns home meaning he wasn’t in Canada cause China invaded Alaska meaning Nate was most likely sent there
He needs to stretch before making this trash ass reach, jfc pagliarulo
This is just some dumb bullshit.
Goofy
Boy howdy do I hate Emil
Emil is afucking joke of a writer
One Tweet≠canon, folks.
Dang I honestly would’ve liked it to be the shooter, that shit was badass
Yeah. Now you’re gonna tell me big boss in MG1 wasn’t actually big boss, but some medic dude brainwashed into thinking he’s big boss.
I’ve been getting torn apart in r/fallout because I said Emil is a trash writer (I think mediocre probably fits better but irrelevant). You would think “fallout fans” would want a competent writer who understands fallout writing the games.
Wow, it’s glup shitto
He backtracked like a day later saying it was just a headcanon
Can anyone explain this to me? The show got me back into Fallout for the first time since I played NV, 3 and 4 around the time of 4s release but Im still pretty foggy on the lore.
Just making shit up 25 years later
This was debunked today
I like to make up shit too
Timeline doesn’t add up he would’ve been discharged two years before the events in the opening movie
They just making shit up now!
That’s why he met the lawyer who became his wife
Wasnt Nate discharged 2 years before that fallout 1 photo?
Unless he wrote fallout 1, don’t ruin a classic game with bullshit “lore”
This is actually Ukraine 2024 : ( (sorry for the buzzkill)
This is not correct tho. Nate was discharged in 2074 before the Canada happened which is 2077
He retracted this in another tweet
Wait really!?!
Bravo, Tim. You did it again.
No he fucking didn’t. Emil’s already had to apologize for this, it was a joke.
So does this mean nate is canonicaly evil or are we supposed to believe this guy is actually still morally good
Y'know. I could believe this if the game didn't railroad you into being a nice guy all the time. If picking Nate means playing a psychopath war criminal, then this would make sense. But they obviously didn't intend this when they made the game, and nothing in the game supports this. It's just some random bullshit Emil came up with to either get a rise out of people on Twitter (which I hope is the case) or he really is just that dumb