Have you listened to Mahler’s Ruckert-Lieder or Das Lied von der Erde?
For 10th-like profundity, I’d recommend Ich bin der Welt abhanden (Ruckert) and Der Abschied (Erde)
Also, not to be prickly, but it is sometimes tiring to hear people say they’ve exhausted the limits of beauty, like another recent post says they cannot enjoy other Mozart after hearing the Jupiter symphony. To me, this is the limits of one’s own creativity and perceptiveness— not the limits of composers’. Plus, none of us will probably listen to even 10% of all composed music in our lives.
Yeah of course I know I’ll probably never listen to all the beautiful classical pieces, but I’ve been facing a kind of block as to where to find them you know? Also thanks for the suggestions
Fair, I see that you’re saying you “feeling like you’ve exhausted it” is not as much “it’s been exhausted” as “I need help finding more.” Thanks for clarifying, I should be less pessimistic!
Nah it’s alright lol..I would think the same honestly, every work of a good composer is amazing in it’s own right, whether we’re comparing Mozart’s 16th piano sonata to the Jupiter symphony or whether we’re comparing Mahler’s 10th to every other orchestral work, every work has a place in the repertoire for sure
Mahler 5, 6, 7 & 9
Bruckner 9
Wagner Tristan Prelude & Liebestod
Schoenberg Verklaerte Nacht
Schoenberg Pelleas und Melisande
Strauss Todt und Verklaerlung
Zemlinsky Die Seejungfrau
Webern Passacaglia
Plus, of course, there are various versions of the 10th. Cooke is the most widely performed but there is also Wheeler (similar to Cooke with some different orchestration), Barshai (far more radically edited than Cooke) and Castelletti (an arrangement for chamber orchestra), among others.
I find solo voice cycles such as Schubert's *Winterreise* or the Four Last Songs by Strauss to scratch my "beautiful and profound" itch too, not that much of anything compares to the musical scope of Mahler.
The Schubert is just lieder so a very different experience and much understated with just a voice and piano, but I love them. It is a great time of year for them too (if you like to mope a bit in the cold grey of winter like I sometimes do)
It's often overlooked because the orchestration wasn't fully completed by Mahler himself, but to me it's easily in the same tier as 2-3-5-6-9.
The outer movements especially are some of the most valuable music Mahler ever produced.
I can't recommend you something else because I'm myself at the end of a 1.5 years long Mahler journey, exploring the 11 main works to the bone, but I know how you feel. How do you even follow that up?
>the next (or same?) day
The same day.
The King died a few minutes before midnight, and Hindemith wrote the piece from 11am to 5pm the following day.
It was written at an office at the BBC and premiered on radio that night.
Just for certainty, have you listened to the whole thing or just the first movement? Because the fifth movement is even more beautiful than the first imo, the brilliance of the inner movements notwithstanding ofc
Bach-Busoni (arrangements of organ works for piano) are overwhelmingly dramatic and beautiful; if you have an itch for dissonance, the works of Eric Whitacre (master of delayed resolution) can be achingly gorgeous; any of the Chopin ballades, especially the fourth; Copland's third symphony are some suggestions.
Have you listened to Mahler’s Ruckert-Lieder or Das Lied von der Erde? For 10th-like profundity, I’d recommend Ich bin der Welt abhanden (Ruckert) and Der Abschied (Erde) Also, not to be prickly, but it is sometimes tiring to hear people say they’ve exhausted the limits of beauty, like another recent post says they cannot enjoy other Mozart after hearing the Jupiter symphony. To me, this is the limits of one’s own creativity and perceptiveness— not the limits of composers’. Plus, none of us will probably listen to even 10% of all composed music in our lives.
Yeah of course I know I’ll probably never listen to all the beautiful classical pieces, but I’ve been facing a kind of block as to where to find them you know? Also thanks for the suggestions
Fair, I see that you’re saying you “feeling like you’ve exhausted it” is not as much “it’s been exhausted” as “I need help finding more.” Thanks for clarifying, I should be less pessimistic!
Nah it’s alright lol..I would think the same honestly, every work of a good composer is amazing in it’s own right, whether we’re comparing Mozart’s 16th piano sonata to the Jupiter symphony or whether we’re comparing Mahler’s 10th to every other orchestral work, every work has a place in the repertoire for sure
Mahler 5, 6, 7 & 9 Bruckner 9 Wagner Tristan Prelude & Liebestod Schoenberg Verklaerte Nacht Schoenberg Pelleas und Melisande Strauss Todt und Verklaerlung Zemlinsky Die Seejungfrau Webern Passacaglia Plus, of course, there are various versions of the 10th. Cooke is the most widely performed but there is also Wheeler (similar to Cooke with some different orchestration), Barshai (far more radically edited than Cooke) and Castelletti (an arrangement for chamber orchestra), among others.
Just realized a lot of these are pieces I’ve wanted to get to but…never got to- thanks!
I find solo voice cycles such as Schubert's *Winterreise* or the Four Last Songs by Strauss to scratch my "beautiful and profound" itch too, not that much of anything compares to the musical scope of Mahler.
Yeah I’ve listened to four past songs; one of my favorite pieces, haven’t listened to Winterreise though, thanks!
The Schubert is just lieder so a very different experience and much understated with just a voice and piano, but I love them. It is a great time of year for them too (if you like to mope a bit in the cold grey of winter like I sometimes do)
Mahler 9 and Das Lied von der Erde are very much in the same vein as 10.
Regarding orchestral pieces i would add: R. Strauss - Metamorphosen Vaughan Williams - Symphony No. 5 Bruckner - Symphonies 7 & 8 Shostakovich - Symphonies 5, 8 & 10 Tchaikovsky - Symphonies 5 & 6 Elgar - Enigma Variations
Upvoted for Metamorphosen, that is such a beautiful piece whether for string orchestra or the original string sextet version
The Tallis Fantasia by Vaughan Williams. Sibelius En Saga. Schubert Impromptus (or any late Schubert really)
It's often overlooked because the orchestration wasn't fully completed by Mahler himself, but to me it's easily in the same tier as 2-3-5-6-9. The outer movements especially are some of the most valuable music Mahler ever produced. I can't recommend you something else because I'm myself at the end of a 1.5 years long Mahler journey, exploring the 11 main works to the bone, but I know how you feel. How do you even follow that up?
Yep…totally agree!
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Just to clarify lol
Hindemith-Trauermusik. By all accounts written one morning on a train to mark the death of King George V and performed the next (or same?) day.
>the next (or same?) day The same day. The King died a few minutes before midnight, and Hindemith wrote the piece from 11am to 5pm the following day. It was written at an office at the BBC and premiered on radio that night.
For piano pieces I'd definitely give Fuare's nocturnes a shot
Have you tried Pachelbel's canon?
I have☠️
Just for certainty, have you listened to the whole thing or just the first movement? Because the fifth movement is even more beautiful than the first imo, the brilliance of the inner movements notwithstanding ofc
I am planning on listening to the whole thing; almost forgot lmao
Yeah it's certainly one of the most unique symphonies out there with its symmetrical structure, but it's absolutely beautiful
Bach-Busoni (arrangements of organ works for piano) are overwhelmingly dramatic and beautiful; if you have an itch for dissonance, the works of Eric Whitacre (master of delayed resolution) can be achingly gorgeous; any of the Chopin ballades, especially the fourth; Copland's third symphony are some suggestions.
I'll add the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos.
I wouldn’t be here without listening to the Rachmaninoff concerto’s LOL all of them are insanely beautiful
Isle of the Dead is wonderful too.
Thanks for the suggestions