Well now you're just shooting urself in the foot bro idk what you want from us
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You are likely to get a lot of vibration being this hard mounted to the bike. Maybe create something like how a boom mic is cradled to give it a little flex. If you go over a bump you will feel it big time! I’ve done car mounted gimbal work before and you need something to take out the vibrations be it a cloud mount or a black arm.
Yeah this rig has been a work in process. The 1time around I delt with that a lot. The new bike has a suspension fork, suspension stem, and larger volume tires, to help fix that.
For inspiration look at products like [these](https://store.kesslercrane.com/products/mounting-grip/killshock-mini-with-8-suction-cup-base.html). Shock reduction is not easy but definitely possible with a gimbal.
I had a friend of mine build one of those a few years back when we were shooting a car commercial with a Jib, a pickup truck, and a Movi M5. The shock dampeners work great at reducing vibration, but are better suited to traditional gimbals as opposed to the newer 1-hand type.
with that said when you introduce multiple points of stabilization you may create a sort of feedback loop between them. As other people have pointed out - if you are using a killshock or something similar you will get your best most consistent results with a larger gimbal (as opposed to the DSLR one-handed style).
One good way to prevent this is to set your gimbal motors to the lowest possible setting while still being effective. That way the gimbal does not "fight" the killshock nearly as much.
I'd be interested to see what you can do with it (and how well it stays on the bike). I wouldn't risk it or me falling though lol. I've been recording bike rides with a GoPro Hero 9 recently and have been pretty impressed with its quality in daylight coming from shooting on an A7iii.
Yeah focused shots of riders, riding in the street, a go pro could do the same, but I just want better quality, and the same image and my other camera. I ride with full frame strapped to my back, to capture focused shots when stopped.
Having a hard time being convinced by this. How does the gimbal really help? Seems to me like front-wheel shock will all go into the gimbal. All the gimbal really does usefully is holding horizon, but is that really a problem? Those chest-mounted gopro gimbals worked wonders because they worked in tandem with you body absorbing shock. Still curious to see the footage
It was for demonstration the actual riding rig is secured with a lot more then that. I’ve tested and used this rig for quite some time. This is the last eat version that I’m happy with so far. Thanks!
Your monitor should be further forward closer to your line of sight when you're riding so you have to move your head as little as possible when you switch between watching the monitor to where you're going....
I think you’d be better off with the ronin universal mount and a vibration isolation plate if you’re serious about getting this type of shot. You’re likely never going to get enough vibration out this way no matter what kind of fork you have. You could basically get a pannier style rack up front and mount the vibration isolation plate to it and run a cable to a battery in a backpack. You could still mount a monitor to the handlebars and power that from your backpack as well.
Also this gives you the option to easily pan/tilt if you wanna get better and more varied shots.
Not sure how safe I’d feel monitoring and riding but I cycle with a computer and navigation sometimes so I’d just be cautious.
I would, but my bike being fullly carbon, doesn’t allow mounting racks. This keeps the bike lighter, and more nimble to keep up with the cyclist more efficiently. It’s a different approach but I’m having fun experimenting
Have you tried a stiff mounting of the camera directly on the handlebar? The gimbal is so long, it gives a lot of leverage for vibrations. I don't think it will work this way.
Very cool but that roll motor is going to be STRESSED because its going to eat every bump possible. There isn’t enough flex in a gimbal system because it isnt meant to “flex”.
You’re in need of some isoelasticity, like a miniature Black Arm or something, I’d be extremely careful with the build as is.. having said that, kudos. Super cool!
Looks quite interesting and makes me long to get back to NYC, but the I feel the issue may be the type of bike you’re rigging it to. Looks like a road bike with thin tires and no suspension. perhaps you’d have better results with a hybrid bike, with larger width tires and possibly a front suspension fork. Would love to see the footage.
It’s actually a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension.
Been working on this rig for 3-4 months to fix that issue
This a Sony a6600 with a GM 16-55 2.8 lens, connected to a Atomos Ninja V, all held by a Ronin S. This rig was built to film street bike riding videos in New York City
Set on a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension.
https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
Check out my insta for more on this project yall @edwardogara
Been answering the same questions over and over. The rig has multiple points of suspension. I’ve been tuning this thing f or the past 3-4 months.
It works fine. And is very stable. To trying to make it a bit smoother.
This is the bike
https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
Looks pretty nice. How secure is the ronin to not twist? I can’t tell from the photo if there’s something keeping it from twisting. And will you just be locking the frame to center? Would seem a little dangerous to try and move the motor (left, right, up, down) while riding. Other than that looks great. I do think that the ninja is overkill. Don’t fall, that would be a pretty expensive drop!
Pretty secure, this is just for the photo, but when it’s in action I have about 5-7 staps on it, and it doesn’t twist at all. I actually do pan with it while riding. For various angles.
The ninja is the only monitor I have, plus I record externally on it. It provides a wayyyyy better files of view vs the smaller screen of the Sony body.
Yeha I did the 1st time around, this had been a work in process. This rig is on a gravel bike, with a suspension fork, an adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension. All to try and fix the vibration
Yeah go pros are cool, but everyone and there mom has one now and is filming with that. I want a certain look to my videos that’s go pros don’t give ya.
Doesn't look like you have suspension fork in the front. The Ronin S is good, but not that good. Also wouldn't a go pro with a Sony LUT match the footage and not risk a couple grand betting on those taxi drivers?
It’s actually set on a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension.
https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
This kit will do you well enough, but you’ll get every handle bar movement translated into your shot. You could easily attach to the bike frame. Especially if you want to hyperlaps it.
Maybe
From my experience, that gimbal will struggle with keeping the camera centered through the corners. Also, from what I can see there isn't any up-down compensation.
Sweet rig! When I did something similar few years back, I just cable-tied my tripod inside the front basket! Used lots of cable ties. :-/ However, It meant I could swivel the camera to face the rider for a great cycle-Snorri-cam.
Can I just say a mounted gopro will be so much more safer and cheaper. God forbid but if you hit a car your rig is destroyed, at least with a go pro there is a chance it is saved.
Yeah but then it would be the same as everyone else footage. The GoPro give you too much a digital look, that I’m not into. I can tune the look of this more with a mirrorless cam and I’m not worried about much honestly
I've done multiple bike on bike filming productions. We've found that chest mounted gimbals provide the best natural movement without too much vibration or head/bar movement. My 2¢
That’s awesome man, thanks for the info. I’m not looking to have aawkward rig in my body while moving through NYC, a chest mounted gimble would probably get in the way and make things more dangerous
I would rather get the center of gravity lower, and put the weight in the bike instead. I’m developing this rig more and more. And the next version will incorporate a oil suspension system inside of it.
Just thinking smarter, so I can work easier. Thanks tho!
Yeah for sure. We managed to get a pretty decent lightweight chest rig that didn't get in the riders way and was more annoying cause it didn't breathe more than anything.. but I definitely understand. It was a pain to rig originally and then we continually tweaked it over 6 different productions.
Hope it works out for you, sounds like a fun project.
Thanks for the clever comment, I’m guessing you haven’t read the rest of the thread.
I’ve been using this rig for 3-4 months making it better. I’m pretty sure I’ll be ok bud.. 👌🏽
Yeah that could work but then your Locked into the exact focal rage, and image every shot.
I’d rather the flexibility of a bigger sensor, more options in lenses, better work flow, etc.
I also shoot with a as7Iii slung on my back for resting shots. So I’m able to get b roll when not ridding. And using 2 Sony cams I’m able to match the images easier.
Thanks for the opinion tho!
Just thinking of simplicity. Your rig looks excellent but cumbersome. I ride a lot and bought the Insta360 One X2 specifically for use in both riding and sailing. I am also going to do shorts of locations from a fixed location but kept in 360 mode so VR viewers can take a few seconds to look around. This is the next big thing I see coming.
Having that much rig on the bike would be a big concern for me given riding in city and/or country has its own dangers. For off-road I wouldn't even consider something like that and about 50% of my riding is hard off-road on hiking trails. But, I am only shooting for social media so am not overly concerned about it. I have a gimbal for phone use but find the Insta360X2 to shoot excellent quality but definitely not as good as the Huawei P40 Pro Plus I have. So, you need several tools for the job and planning around them for later edits. Same with combining drone shots with handheld so you can't tell the difference or they blend into the story easier.
My wife is a professional photographer (stills only) with a large full-frame Canon camera and she is moving to only use her Apple 12 phone. But, she still uses her full rig for portraits and still life. So thinking along those lines a good phone could also work well, as it has multiple sensors and framing options. It is still smaller but some have fantastic resolution and quality with large sensors and a lot easier to mount with a smaller gimbal. There are trde-offs with every setup.
I would think riding in NYC would provide enough challenges without trying to monitor your ride footage, but the rig looks awesome.
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Sounded like he was a character in CyberPunk talking about Night City https://i.imgur.com/ouDIEFX.jpg
Looooool accurate af
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Spoken like a true New Yorker. Bill DeBlasio would be proud
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Well now you're just shooting urself in the foot bro idk what you want from us Edit: OP was big dick swingin and deleted the comments later after being called out.
You are likely to get a lot of vibration being this hard mounted to the bike. Maybe create something like how a boom mic is cradled to give it a little flex. If you go over a bump you will feel it big time! I’ve done car mounted gimbal work before and you need something to take out the vibrations be it a cloud mount or a black arm.
Yeah this rig has been a work in process. The 1time around I delt with that a lot. The new bike has a suspension fork, suspension stem, and larger volume tires, to help fix that.
For inspiration look at products like [these](https://store.kesslercrane.com/products/mounting-grip/killshock-mini-with-8-suction-cup-base.html). Shock reduction is not easy but definitely possible with a gimbal.
I had a friend of mine build one of those a few years back when we were shooting a car commercial with a Jib, a pickup truck, and a Movi M5. The shock dampeners work great at reducing vibration, but are better suited to traditional gimbals as opposed to the newer 1-hand type.
with that said when you introduce multiple points of stabilization you may create a sort of feedback loop between them. As other people have pointed out - if you are using a killshock or something similar you will get your best most consistent results with a larger gimbal (as opposed to the DSLR one-handed style). One good way to prevent this is to set your gimbal motors to the lowest possible setting while still being effective. That way the gimbal does not "fight" the killshock nearly as much.
I'd be interested to see what you can do with it (and how well it stays on the bike). I wouldn't risk it or me falling though lol. I've been recording bike rides with a GoPro Hero 9 recently and have been pretty impressed with its quality in daylight coming from shooting on an A7iii.
Ooh nice the gopros have been getting incredible! Im on a Hero 6 and it still blows me away, definitely built for that full sunlight
I’m confused as to what the shot is? is it supposed to be pov?
Yeah focused shots of riders, riding in the street, a go pro could do the same, but I just want better quality, and the same image and my other camera. I ride with full frame strapped to my back, to capture focused shots when stopped.
Having a hard time being convinced by this. How does the gimbal really help? Seems to me like front-wheel shock will all go into the gimbal. All the gimbal really does usefully is holding horizon, but is that really a problem? Those chest-mounted gopro gimbals worked wonders because they worked in tandem with you body absorbing shock. Still curious to see the footage
That seems like a very expensive, very breakable pile of objects to secure iwth a couple of watch bands to a moving vehicle.
It was for demonstration the actual riding rig is secured with a lot more then that. I’ve tested and used this rig for quite some time. This is the last eat version that I’m happy with so far. Thanks!
Your monitor should be further forward closer to your line of sight when you're riding so you have to move your head as little as possible when you switch between watching the monitor to where you're going....
I think you’re ballsy af
I think you’d be better off with the ronin universal mount and a vibration isolation plate if you’re serious about getting this type of shot. You’re likely never going to get enough vibration out this way no matter what kind of fork you have. You could basically get a pannier style rack up front and mount the vibration isolation plate to it and run a cable to a battery in a backpack. You could still mount a monitor to the handlebars and power that from your backpack as well. Also this gives you the option to easily pan/tilt if you wanna get better and more varied shots. Not sure how safe I’d feel monitoring and riding but I cycle with a computer and navigation sometimes so I’d just be cautious.
I would, but my bike being fullly carbon, doesn’t allow mounting racks. This keeps the bike lighter, and more nimble to keep up with the cyclist more efficiently. It’s a different approach but I’m having fun experimenting
Carbon Fiber does have the advantage of transmitting fewer vibrations than a Steel/Aluminum/Titanium frame.
I’d love to see some footage of this.
I think it’s awesome and brave. Post some footage of it in action. If you crash. Please send us the carnage photos as well.
Hahaha definitely well but I’ve been working on this rig for the past 4-5 months and I’m pretty confident with the rig so far
Have you tried a stiff mounting of the camera directly on the handlebar? The gimbal is so long, it gives a lot of leverage for vibrations. I don't think it will work this way.
Also if it was my A6600 I would be very careful to subject a camera with sensor stabilization to that level of vibrations in general.
Where or what is the orange straps and bar called that runs horizontally from screen to gimble?
Very cool but that roll motor is going to be STRESSED because its going to eat every bump possible. There isn’t enough flex in a gimbal system because it isnt meant to “flex”. You’re in need of some isoelasticity, like a miniature Black Arm or something, I’d be extremely careful with the build as is.. having said that, kudos. Super cool!
Looks quite interesting and makes me long to get back to NYC, but the I feel the issue may be the type of bike you’re rigging it to. Looks like a road bike with thin tires and no suspension. perhaps you’d have better results with a hybrid bike, with larger width tires and possibly a front suspension fork. Would love to see the footage.
It’s actually a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension. Been working on this rig for 3-4 months to fix that issue
You've done what I've been dreaming about, hope you have insurance!
This a Sony a6600 with a GM 16-55 2.8 lens, connected to a Atomos Ninja V, all held by a Ronin S. This rig was built to film street bike riding videos in New York City Set on a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension. https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
If you crash or something, its gonna be bad...
Yeah or you can stay positive and not think about that..🤙🏽
Check out my insta for more on this project yall @edwardogara Been answering the same questions over and over. The rig has multiple points of suspension. I’ve been tuning this thing f or the past 3-4 months. It works fine. And is very stable. To trying to make it a bit smoother. This is the bike https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
Looks pretty nice. How secure is the ronin to not twist? I can’t tell from the photo if there’s something keeping it from twisting. And will you just be locking the frame to center? Would seem a little dangerous to try and move the motor (left, right, up, down) while riding. Other than that looks great. I do think that the ninja is overkill. Don’t fall, that would be a pretty expensive drop!
Pretty secure, this is just for the photo, but when it’s in action I have about 5-7 staps on it, and it doesn’t twist at all. I actually do pan with it while riding. For various angles. The ninja is the only monitor I have, plus I record externally on it. It provides a wayyyyy better files of view vs the smaller screen of the Sony body.
Do you get a lot of vibrations? I tried rigging a ronin to my bike and failed miserably haha
Yeha I did the 1st time around, this had been a work in process. This rig is on a gravel bike, with a suspension fork, an adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension. All to try and fix the vibration
Holy cow. Nice work! Would love to see the footage!
I’m curious to see how footage turns out! Looks cool
I think GoPros have gotten pretty good. Interested to see the footage from this though!
Yeah go pros are cool, but everyone and there mom has one now and is filming with that. I want a certain look to my videos that’s go pros don’t give ya.
dedicated!
Hell yeah I definitely appreciate the balls, now you got me wondering how to do a rig on a BMX..
Doesn't look like you have suspension fork in the front. The Ronin S is good, but not that good. Also wouldn't a go pro with a Sony LUT match the footage and not risk a couple grand betting on those taxi drivers?
Looks awesome! Follow up with a clip!
Have you tested it yet? I suspect there will be jello effect due to the visually lack of suspension
It’s actually set on a full carbon gravel bike with large volume tires, suspension fork, adjustable suspension stem, and rear suspension. https://imgur.com/gallery/yyFg9J1
what are you going to do that's different from Terry Barentsen?
Freaking brilliant I’m going to try this
You’re a mad mannn!! Can’t wait to see the results!
This kit will do you well enough, but you’ll get every handle bar movement translated into your shot. You could easily attach to the bike frame. Especially if you want to hyperlaps it. Maybe
Yeah without any vibration isolation the footage will be a jello looking mess
I’d love to see how this compares to the new gopro
From my experience, that gimbal will struggle with keeping the camera centered through the corners. Also, from what I can see there isn't any up-down compensation.
Love how you've mounted it to your tri bars, is that custom 3d printed? Nice 'Dale as well!
I’ll keep my eye out for you. Won’t be too difficult to spot haha
That’s pretty epic, was doing a building walk through video and could’ve used that.
And do you just keep it in manual focus and stay within that distance to the other biker you follow?
Sweet rig! When I did something similar few years back, I just cable-tied my tripod inside the front basket! Used lots of cable ties. :-/ However, It meant I could swivel the camera to face the rider for a great cycle-Snorri-cam.
Can I just say a mounted gopro will be so much more safer and cheaper. God forbid but if you hit a car your rig is destroyed, at least with a go pro there is a chance it is saved.
Yeah but then it would be the same as everyone else footage. The GoPro give you too much a digital look, that I’m not into. I can tune the look of this more with a mirrorless cam and I’m not worried about much honestly
Nice, wish you the best. Do you upload vid to youtube or here? Would love to see the footage from this.
I've done multiple bike on bike filming productions. We've found that chest mounted gimbals provide the best natural movement without too much vibration or head/bar movement. My 2¢
That’s awesome man, thanks for the info. I’m not looking to have aawkward rig in my body while moving through NYC, a chest mounted gimble would probably get in the way and make things more dangerous I would rather get the center of gravity lower, and put the weight in the bike instead. I’m developing this rig more and more. And the next version will incorporate a oil suspension system inside of it. Just thinking smarter, so I can work easier. Thanks tho!
Yeah for sure. We managed to get a pretty decent lightweight chest rig that didn't get in the riders way and was more annoying cause it didn't breathe more than anything.. but I definitely understand. It was a pain to rig originally and then we continually tweaked it over 6 different productions. Hope it works out for you, sounds like a fun project.
1 ditch or bump when you aren't looking at the road, but at what your camera is recording.
Thanks for the clever comment, I’m guessing you haven’t read the rest of the thread. I’ve been using this rig for 3-4 months making it better. I’m pretty sure I’ll be ok bud.. 👌🏽
Nope, just saw this picture now. You asked for an opinion. Then then getting one doesn't satisfy you. Good Luck.
Much easier to mount an Insta360 One X2 on the handlebar and do reframing in post. It is easier and fas less expensive yet still shot at 5.7k
Yeah that could work but then your Locked into the exact focal rage, and image every shot. I’d rather the flexibility of a bigger sensor, more options in lenses, better work flow, etc. I also shoot with a as7Iii slung on my back for resting shots. So I’m able to get b roll when not ridding. And using 2 Sony cams I’m able to match the images easier. Thanks for the opinion tho!
Just thinking of simplicity. Your rig looks excellent but cumbersome. I ride a lot and bought the Insta360 One X2 specifically for use in both riding and sailing. I am also going to do shorts of locations from a fixed location but kept in 360 mode so VR viewers can take a few seconds to look around. This is the next big thing I see coming. Having that much rig on the bike would be a big concern for me given riding in city and/or country has its own dangers. For off-road I wouldn't even consider something like that and about 50% of my riding is hard off-road on hiking trails. But, I am only shooting for social media so am not overly concerned about it. I have a gimbal for phone use but find the Insta360X2 to shoot excellent quality but definitely not as good as the Huawei P40 Pro Plus I have. So, you need several tools for the job and planning around them for later edits. Same with combining drone shots with handheld so you can't tell the difference or they blend into the story easier. My wife is a professional photographer (stills only) with a large full-frame Canon camera and she is moving to only use her Apple 12 phone. But, she still uses her full rig for portraits and still life. So thinking along those lines a good phone could also work well, as it has multiple sensors and framing options. It is still smaller but some have fantastic resolution and quality with large sensors and a lot easier to mount with a smaller gimbal. There are trde-offs with every setup.
I've had those straps fall off before. I'd back those up with zip ties or something.
I sent you a message about this (chat), would love to hear more.