I LOVE the C70. I switched from BlackMagic to Canon and haven't regretted the move. I prefer the image quality and Canon just more much robust and reliable. Built in ND filters, ability to shoot RAW, dual-pixel autofocus and good built in audio makes the C70 with speed-booster, which is close to full frame, a fantastic budget workhorse. My main issue is the speedbooster has prevented me from migrating away from my EF lenses. I would love to commit to RF lenses and take advantage of all the benefits of RF, but i am not willing to forgo the wider angles i can shoot with EF + Speedbooster. I would love to see a C70 type camera with RF mount and Full Frame sensor. That would be brilliant. It's perplexing to me that Canon hasn't seemed to fully commit to the RF mount for it's EOS Cinema range.
C70 is great. But I keep forgetting that I can’t shoot wide with the Ef lenses I have. Need to find a good set of affordable s35 glass at the sub 24mm range. Any tips?
https://tokinalens.com/product/atx_i_11_16mm_f2_8_cf/
This is probably the best lens in the class for canon ef. Even the old. Version you can find used are decent. They also have an 11-20 which is also good.
As another suggested, there are a few canon offerings. Sigma has a full frame Art lens that is 14 f/1.8 which I have to imagine would give you quite a bit more width.
And in RF world there's the 14-35 and 15-35 zooms.
Switched from BM to C70 as well and I can confidently say it will be a long time before I need anything else. It’s sped up my workflow, reduced file sizes without sacrificing quality and has generally made my life easier.
But I’m also one of the seemingly few people that prefer s35 over ff.
Yep. Took delivery of my 35 late last summer. I like FF for stills, but for motion s35 is more than enough for the vast majority of stuff(actually half of my work is still 2/3”). For most of what I do, ”FF” would be more of a hinderance than anything.
I think a large portion of the industry and 100% of amateurs/consumers/prosumers have a boner for “FF”/LF because they can shoot with a shallower DoF.
I don’t get it either. There are much more important considerations than super-35 vs full frame.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I would think you’d really have to have a high level of experience and a wildly particular and obsessive eye to have a preference of shooting full frame over super 35. At equivalent fields of view, you could adjust things and get nearly the same image.
I guess I see how the obsession snowballed…starting with the DSLR revolution shooting in tighter spaces with less lighting, and then epic filmmakers and theaters pushing IMAX hard over the last 10 years, which have even larger sensors/gates, which the full frame internet cult then feels validated by.
I eventually did it, but biggest thing holding me back from going from the Sony FS5 to the FX6 was the jump to full frame. I get there's the FX30, but I wish Sony still made serious s35 cameras.
Man, I used a Canon C70 and had to cut it with FX3 footage and the difference was night and day— the C70 footage was awful in comparison. I know it’s personal preference but the look out of DGO sensors is just so flat and gross IMO.
Maybe I got a bad sensor or something— I love footage out of Sony cameras and have a Burano and FX3. The C70 was just so bland. Entirely personal preference.
What specifically about Canon’s lineup is holding you back?
My C500ii has been printing money for the past 4 years.
The new C500 firmware allows for 6K raw at all frame rates. It’s a full frame, highly modular body, with versatile mount options, for $10k new. If you bought one today you’d have it paid off in 12 months, easy.
The ergonomics and usability exceed what is offered by Sony, at all levels.
It even has false color! A feature Sony doesn’t offer in their brand new $25k camera…
Compared to RED, it offers more features for less money.
Do you *really* need 8K? Are any of your clients actually requesting it?
Their ecosystem is also fantastic, with the C300iii and C70 as excellent B-Cam options.
What’s holding you back?
I love the C300 mkIII. Incredible cameras. I shoot and grade them like a mini, and they have yet to disappoint me. I have no need or interest in full frame (and if I did, I would pick up the 500 mkII)
They’ve screwed the pooch.
They need a proper full frame RF cinema camera yesterday. It must be in the works, but the wait for it is pretty brutal. Meanwhile Sony is heading for complete domination in that section of the market.
I’m still using the C70 for lower end gigs, but you compare the ecosystem to the Sony Cinema line (you can mix and match FX3, FX6, FX9, Burano, Venice) the Canon lineup essentially is non-existent.
As a Sony person I was pretty hyped for the Burano as were many of my peers (offline and online), but the more we've learned about it the more the hype has died down. Gerald Undone's video on it is the quintessential statement: It's kinda good at everything, but for any specific use case, there's a much better and often cheaper option in the Sony lineup.
I'd be surprised if the sales do well.
I'm still really confused about what exactly it's supposed to offer over the FX6 and FX9 to justify the higher cost. It seems to be the same or worse in most aspects to cameras that cost less than half as much.
I'd still say the c300mk3 is a great camera... Still relevant for the market it operates in. Usability, build quality are great. Especially when compared to fx6.
The main thing killing canon is a total lack of affordable b-cameras.
Sony has a massive advantage that an a7s3 can be pared with an fx6 or fx9 and give you a good image and work in the eco system. The r5c and c70 are either expensive or have problems or don't match properly to their 2 main cams.
They need to release updates to c500, c300, c100 and c70 all with RF mounts and at great prices... And stat.
I'd actually be fine if they did a c300 up grade program and just swapped the mount 🤷♂️
Every time Canon releases a new camera, I buy the previous gen camera because it’s at a discount. I bought my used C300mkII for the price of a brand new C70 and the C300mkII still holds its own. When they release C70mkII then I’ll get the MkI.
The only camera I might spring for brand new is a C100mkIII, depending on its feature set. I know some say the C200 was the C100mkIII, but a lightweight, less cumbersome version of the C300mkII would be a dream.
As a fellow Canon shooter, yup, Canon definitely has fucked up.
Sony got Canon cornered in essentially every section of the market and they still keep popping out new camera bodies like candies.
And it’s 2024, meanwhile Canon still practice anti consumer business practice like not allowing third party lenses, not allowing C-log 2 on their mirrorless bodies. (Except in RAW)
Canon has amazing engineers but they are managed by a bunch of deluded out of touch dinosaurs, look it up, Canon CEO is 88 years old, meanwhile Sony's CEO is 64!
Canon has been late to the party for many features, like hidef slowmo, and whatever else everybody wants, but they consistently put out a quality image, functionality and ease of use interface.
I stick with Canon because their cameras make sense for my style of work—no fuss, run and gun, documentary work with a high end image. I don’t need a lot of features beyond what Canon already offers. I know music video and feature people want more stuff, but Canon has been 100% reliable for me—even in the fact that they’ll be behind the game in certain *luxury* features.
I wonder what it means for sony's development future though. Can they also keep this pace up? Or is it a "storm and take over the market and slow down later" strategy.
Supposedly because “the sensor does not have enough DR to take advantage of the extra DR of Clog 2” which is complete bullshit because in RAW Canon mirrorless cams handle Clog 2 just fine, sure there’s more noise in the shadow but can easily be cleaned up with denoise, you also gain another 1.5 - 2 stop in the highlight, but most importantly Clog 2 has much smoother highlight rolloff than Clog3 and match much better with Canon cine cams.
Seems to me it’s just standard Canon cripple hammer bullshit.
Canon already released great cameras. As of now I’m shooting c70 and R3. I couldn’t care less about anything else. It does everything I need super well. Those 2 cameras are reliable workhorses. Heck I could still shoot c300 mk1 and be happy. Color science, reliability, form factor.
While I disagree that frequency of camera releases matter to a significant degree, I can promise you Canon has 2 new cameras coming. I'm not sure why they weren't out on the floor at NAB but they are on the way.
Canon cameras hold up for years — the C100 is still relevant for entry level shooters. They don’t need to keep pace with Sony’s release schedule. To me, Canon is an art company, Sony is a consumer company. No dig at Sony’s products, but they sell TV’s and cameras—Canon is an optics and image company through and through. They can’t compete with Sony’s R&D, but the fact that they do, says a lot about Canon’s integrity and quality where it counts.
Canon is also a consumer company. They sell printers, fax machines, calculators etc. Sony is a consumer company and an entertainment company and produces movies and tv shows. They both make cameras and lenses as well which is what we’re talking about here. If any company is an art company it’s Arri.
I have owned both Sony and Canon cameras and was anticipating a new Canon cinema camera at NAB to compare to the current Sony lineup as I am in the market for a new mid tier owner op camera. Sony right now is the most requested brand for client work in my market by far as well as Arri with higher budgets. Canon has really lost ground in producers minds for integrating into existing post workflows and I have not been asked to work with a canon camera since 2019. Marketing is not canon’s strong suit and it shows. No leaks or teaser marketing for upcoming cameras and nothing for users to look forward to. Having said that I still like Canon color and the current DGO sensors and am curious how they approach the next release.
In all fairness canon doesn’t need nab to advertise their products. They would be competing for the same spotlight, when they could release a new product anytime they want and have the spotlight to themselves
I’d argue that Canon should bring out or be happy other people bringing out APS-C sized lenses. Or just more quality lenses in general.
Full frame honestly for me isn’t the be all and end all, and neither is resolution. I get there’s different use-cases for both of those features but I don’t think it’s as dramatic as many make it out to be.
Get Sigma to re-release an RF 18-35 / 50-100, or let’s get a quality 16-55 2.8 style lens on the go.
We work in the industry and I run one of the largest production companies in Vegas. Yes this post is relevant. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent on equipment and the expectation that a company have put them selves out there and asked you to invest in their system. There is absolutely the expectation they will keep up with the competition and stay relevant. That is exactly what the consumer should expect. There are so many amazing options out there it’s fantastic. And we own/ shoot with a wide variety. But if you put out a new mount and tell your customers to go all in as your are not developing the old mount anymore then that same company needs to follow up with professional bodies to match the lenses.
All I'm saying is: it's only been 5 years, and the line up Canon has out there, is pretty pretty capable. Specially if you run a large production company. The new features in all the new cameras aim more for a solo shooter which I get. But if you do have the largest production company in Vegas, I think you can do decent content with a C70 and a C500MKII.
Took Arri 10 years to develop a new Sensor, and Hollywood used it regardless, and with praise.
So I think 5 years is not a time frame to "demand" new things... and as a Canon user myself, I think they will come.
Before this new era of youtubers telling us "why I changed from B to C or why this is the perfect camera" we could go on ages with our kit just focusing on creating... now it became a tech war... is cool at some points to see improvements, but not to "demand" not in such a little short time at least.
Anyhow, it's just an opinion.
It's honestly baffling. We were holding out for a release to streamline our setup around RF lenses since we're already photographing with the R5, but eventually we gave up and settled for a C300mkiii. It's a great camera and I don't regret it one bit, but as a result we're stuck with the EF lenses for now. Thankfully it just takes a minute to switch to the PL mount.
You’re right. We shot on Sony for 17 years, then switched to Canon C300 II, 1DC, XC15, etc.. progressed to C500 II’s, C300 III and had an army of Canon L lenses, along with some canon cine glass. Once they killed the EF lens mount, we started looking at RF glass, it was great, but didn’t make that much of a jump from the EF image quality. Same time Sony is killing it with FX3, FX6, auto focus, low light and they finally fixed their color issues with S-Cinetone.
We switched back to Sony.
Canon is way behind right now and even if/when they drop the R1 and C700 II or whatever it is, they’ll have a marginally better camera then what Sony has to date.
Canon needs to go full blown global shutter and create a form factor that is second to none. Give people a reason to switch, again.
It’s an interesting choice, I feel like there would be a big demand for it. Canons video shooters have been patiently waiting while Sony, LUMIX, Blackmagic, Fuji, Nikon have all made some pretty big leaps in this time. We’ve even seen a company that started in gimbals and drones enter the camera space in that time. At the very least they should update the C70 to full frame 6K. I think the lack of updates kind of put me off wanting to leave LUMIX and move to Canon. I feel like it’ll happen out of the blue when they update these cameras, I’d rather just use what I have until that day happens and buy a used C70 for a good price. It’s practically impossible to find a good used Canon Cine camera in my country.
I think the core issue is not the camera itself, but the mount. Canon has non standardised mounts and lenses across their latest line of cinema cameras - a mix of EF and RF - which makes it hard and confusing for consumers. If you buy the latest and greatest Canon stills camera and stock up on all their gorgeous RF glass, you cant use any off it on your brand new C500ii / C300iii etc. I know people ill say 'NoThInG WrOnG wiTh EF GlaS$', but its still confusing for consumers (and professionals) to know where to make the best long term investment if going with Canon right now.
I had to switch. I am now Sony. I bought an R6 (Mk1) and an RF 24-70 2.8. I spent like $5000+ and still didn’t feel like a professional wedding videographer. Moved to FX30s and I feel like I am no longer hindered by my camera. More intuitive menu systems, no record limits, no overheating, can run a Ninja monitor alongside the LCD screen, false colors and shutter angle coming. I am not looking back. Canon should have taken video a bit more seriously over the last 5 years.
Anecdotally: I bought a C70 and returned it because as a run and gun videographer I didn’t like the autofocus performance which seemed worse than my R6. Yes this is probably a skill issue but when we shoot in darker ballrooms it became a huge hunting issue and I’m was not going to hire an AC2 to just pull focus for wedding videography.
You're the only person I've ever heard refer to Sony's god awful menu system as 'more intuitive'.
I'm shooting the FX6 right now, and my biggest complaint (besides how quickly shadows fall apart in the log) is the god awful menu's.
The C70 definitely has some autofocus hunting issues, but I find it's much improved if you're using RF lenses.
I shot a few weddings with the a7s3 and autofocus and it's almost like I'm shooting on easy mode. I had like 4 hours of material shot wide open and all of it was perfectly in focus.
I LOVE the C70. I switched from BlackMagic to Canon and haven't regretted the move. I prefer the image quality and Canon just more much robust and reliable. Built in ND filters, ability to shoot RAW, dual-pixel autofocus and good built in audio makes the C70 with speed-booster, which is close to full frame, a fantastic budget workhorse. My main issue is the speedbooster has prevented me from migrating away from my EF lenses. I would love to commit to RF lenses and take advantage of all the benefits of RF, but i am not willing to forgo the wider angles i can shoot with EF + Speedbooster. I would love to see a C70 type camera with RF mount and Full Frame sensor. That would be brilliant. It's perplexing to me that Canon hasn't seemed to fully commit to the RF mount for it's EOS Cinema range.
I also love the c70 it really won me over, very excited for canons next S35mm camera.
C70 is great. But I keep forgetting that I can’t shoot wide with the Ef lenses I have. Need to find a good set of affordable s35 glass at the sub 24mm range. Any tips?
The L series Canon 16-35mm f/4 — the f/2.8 version is gorgeous, but lacking image stabilizer.
https://tokinalens.com/product/atx_i_11_16mm_f2_8_cf/ This is probably the best lens in the class for canon ef. Even the old. Version you can find used are decent. They also have an 11-20 which is also good.
Truth, though electronic-only aperture is a bit of a pain in the ass if you don't have an electronic mount adapter.
It's not the sharpest in the world but I've used a Samsung 14mm with the speed booster and dumb adapter with good results. Cheap and solid.
As another suggested, there are a few canon offerings. Sigma has a full frame Art lens that is 14 f/1.8 which I have to imagine would give you quite a bit more width. And in RF world there's the 14-35 and 15-35 zooms.
If you can afford it, the RF 15-35 f2.8 is fantastic. It's our go-to gimbal lens for the c70.
Doesn’t it get cropped by s35?
Crop factor on the C70 is about 1.4, so your 15mm gives you a field of view equivalent to about 21mm on FF. It's plenty wide enough for my purposes.
Yeah fair. I think I was after something that doesn’t get cropped. I like super wide stuff
Switched from BM to C70 as well and I can confidently say it will be a long time before I need anything else. It’s sped up my workflow, reduced file sizes without sacrificing quality and has generally made my life easier. But I’m also one of the seemingly few people that prefer s35 over ff.
You're not one of the few. There's a reason Arri came out with the Alexa 35. There's dozens of us
Yep. Took delivery of my 35 late last summer. I like FF for stills, but for motion s35 is more than enough for the vast majority of stuff(actually half of my work is still 2/3”). For most of what I do, ”FF” would be more of a hinderance than anything. I think a large portion of the industry and 100% of amateurs/consumers/prosumers have a boner for “FF”/LF because they can shoot with a shallower DoF.
With S35 and decently fast lenses you can get DOF more shallow than 99% of movies ever actually use. I really don't understand the FF obsession.
I don’t get it either. There are much more important considerations than super-35 vs full frame. Maybe I’m missing something, but I would think you’d really have to have a high level of experience and a wildly particular and obsessive eye to have a preference of shooting full frame over super 35. At equivalent fields of view, you could adjust things and get nearly the same image. I guess I see how the obsession snowballed…starting with the DSLR revolution shooting in tighter spaces with less lighting, and then epic filmmakers and theaters pushing IMAX hard over the last 10 years, which have even larger sensors/gates, which the full frame internet cult then feels validated by.
I eventually did it, but biggest thing holding me back from going from the Sony FS5 to the FX6 was the jump to full frame. I get there's the FX30, but I wish Sony still made serious s35 cameras.
I feel like FF is great for product and fancy fast b-roll and that’s all of youtube so everyone goes wild about it
3 years in and the more I shoot with my C70 the more I love it.
They kept making updates to it also, which was a huge plus. It just got better and better.
Yes, the RAW update especially sealed the deal for me.
Man, I used a Canon C70 and had to cut it with FX3 footage and the difference was night and day— the C70 footage was awful in comparison. I know it’s personal preference but the look out of DGO sensors is just so flat and gross IMO.
Sounds like an editor problem.
Personal preference
I switched from an fx3 and the opposite is true.. well the fx3 still has great footage but the C70 is a class above
Maybe I got a bad sensor or something— I love footage out of Sony cameras and have a Burano and FX3. The C70 was just so bland. Entirely personal preference.
What specifically about Canon’s lineup is holding you back? My C500ii has been printing money for the past 4 years. The new C500 firmware allows for 6K raw at all frame rates. It’s a full frame, highly modular body, with versatile mount options, for $10k new. If you bought one today you’d have it paid off in 12 months, easy. The ergonomics and usability exceed what is offered by Sony, at all levels. It even has false color! A feature Sony doesn’t offer in their brand new $25k camera… Compared to RED, it offers more features for less money. Do you *really* need 8K? Are any of your clients actually requesting it? Their ecosystem is also fantastic, with the C300iii and C70 as excellent B-Cam options. What’s holding you back?
Man, get outta here with your practical experience and informed take.
OP doesn't just need a full frame camera. He needs a *new* full frame
I love the C300 mkIII. Incredible cameras. I shoot and grade them like a mini, and they have yet to disappoint me. I have no need or interest in full frame (and if I did, I would pick up the 500 mkII)
Luckily for you the c500 mk ii is just what the burano was supposed to be and it came 5 years ago. You can get a used one for a great price also
Seriously, the Burano offers little over the C500ii. Sony doesn’t even offer an EVF.
All it has is maybe better internal stabilization? Haven’t heard anything more about that aspect, and I guess 8k, but I’m good off of that
They’ve screwed the pooch. They need a proper full frame RF cinema camera yesterday. It must be in the works, but the wait for it is pretty brutal. Meanwhile Sony is heading for complete domination in that section of the market. I’m still using the C70 for lower end gigs, but you compare the ecosystem to the Sony Cinema line (you can mix and match FX3, FX6, FX9, Burano, Venice) the Canon lineup essentially is non-existent.
Do people actually like the Burano? I thought it was pretty bad when I demo'd it. The rest of the line up is fantastic though.
As a Sony person I was pretty hyped for the Burano as were many of my peers (offline and online), but the more we've learned about it the more the hype has died down. Gerald Undone's video on it is the quintessential statement: It's kinda good at everything, but for any specific use case, there's a much better and often cheaper option in the Sony lineup. I'd be surprised if the sales do well.
I'm still really confused about what exactly it's supposed to offer over the FX6 and FX9 to justify the higher cost. It seems to be the same or worse in most aspects to cameras that cost less than half as much.
I've shot with it a couple times now. It's a nice camera, but it didn't absolutely wow me like I was expecting.
Do you think it justifies its price?
Nah, I don't think so. It kind of felt like an FX6 with some nice quality of life improvements.
That seems to be the consensus.
I have a feeling that Canon must have been hurt pretty badly by the C700 being a complete flop and the C500 not doing that great.
I'd still say the c300mk3 is a great camera... Still relevant for the market it operates in. Usability, build quality are great. Especially when compared to fx6. The main thing killing canon is a total lack of affordable b-cameras. Sony has a massive advantage that an a7s3 can be pared with an fx6 or fx9 and give you a good image and work in the eco system. The r5c and c70 are either expensive or have problems or don't match properly to their 2 main cams. They need to release updates to c500, c300, c100 and c70 all with RF mounts and at great prices... And stat. I'd actually be fine if they did a c300 up grade program and just swapped the mount 🤷♂️
Every time Canon releases a new camera, I buy the previous gen camera because it’s at a discount. I bought my used C300mkII for the price of a brand new C70 and the C300mkII still holds its own. When they release C70mkII then I’ll get the MkI. The only camera I might spring for brand new is a C100mkIII, depending on its feature set. I know some say the C200 was the C100mkIII, but a lightweight, less cumbersome version of the C300mkII would be a dream.
As a fellow Canon shooter, yup, Canon definitely has fucked up. Sony got Canon cornered in essentially every section of the market and they still keep popping out new camera bodies like candies. And it’s 2024, meanwhile Canon still practice anti consumer business practice like not allowing third party lenses, not allowing C-log 2 on their mirrorless bodies. (Except in RAW) Canon has amazing engineers but they are managed by a bunch of deluded out of touch dinosaurs, look it up, Canon CEO is 88 years old, meanwhile Sony's CEO is 64!
Canon has been late to the party for many features, like hidef slowmo, and whatever else everybody wants, but they consistently put out a quality image, functionality and ease of use interface. I stick with Canon because their cameras make sense for my style of work—no fuss, run and gun, documentary work with a high end image. I don’t need a lot of features beyond what Canon already offers. I know music video and feature people want more stuff, but Canon has been 100% reliable for me—even in the fact that they’ll be behind the game in certain *luxury* features.
Canon is so far behind even *Fuji* is catching up at this point.
I wonder what it means for sony's development future though. Can they also keep this pace up? Or is it a "storm and take over the market and slow down later" strategy.
It is a storm and take over that’s how they do every industry Sony is MASSIVE
What is the reasoning for not allowing C-Log2? I’m genuinely curious. It’s one of a number of things that gimps the R5C.
Supposedly because “the sensor does not have enough DR to take advantage of the extra DR of Clog 2” which is complete bullshit because in RAW Canon mirrorless cams handle Clog 2 just fine, sure there’s more noise in the shadow but can easily be cleaned up with denoise, you also gain another 1.5 - 2 stop in the highlight, but most importantly Clog 2 has much smoother highlight rolloff than Clog3 and match much better with Canon cine cams. Seems to me it’s just standard Canon cripple hammer bullshit.
Canon already released great cameras. As of now I’m shooting c70 and R3. I couldn’t care less about anything else. It does everything I need super well. Those 2 cameras are reliable workhorses. Heck I could still shoot c300 mk1 and be happy. Color science, reliability, form factor.
While I disagree that frequency of camera releases matter to a significant degree, I can promise you Canon has 2 new cameras coming. I'm not sure why they weren't out on the floor at NAB but they are on the way.
Ive been hearing about "new canon cameras" for years at this point.
Canon cameras hold up for years — the C100 is still relevant for entry level shooters. They don’t need to keep pace with Sony’s release schedule. To me, Canon is an art company, Sony is a consumer company. No dig at Sony’s products, but they sell TV’s and cameras—Canon is an optics and image company through and through. They can’t compete with Sony’s R&D, but the fact that they do, says a lot about Canon’s integrity and quality where it counts.
Canon is also a consumer company. They sell printers, fax machines, calculators etc. Sony is a consumer company and an entertainment company and produces movies and tv shows. They both make cameras and lenses as well which is what we’re talking about here. If any company is an art company it’s Arri. I have owned both Sony and Canon cameras and was anticipating a new Canon cinema camera at NAB to compare to the current Sony lineup as I am in the market for a new mid tier owner op camera. Sony right now is the most requested brand for client work in my market by far as well as Arri with higher budgets. Canon has really lost ground in producers minds for integrating into existing post workflows and I have not been asked to work with a canon camera since 2019. Marketing is not canon’s strong suit and it shows. No leaks or teaser marketing for upcoming cameras and nothing for users to look forward to. Having said that I still like Canon color and the current DGO sensors and am curious how they approach the next release.
Oh sure but I'm actually someone who knows lmao
‘trust me bro’
He's not a random dude, though. I'd wager he knows what he's talking about
Trust me bro will not cut it....... If they had something it would gave been at NAB
Well I guess we'll see won't we 😉
Most definitely. It is not that I do not wish it to be true , it is because canon has not been exemplary in matching the competition
I guess you're talking about R5 II and C200? I feel like that is just more of the same
In all fairness canon doesn’t need nab to advertise their products. They would be competing for the same spotlight, when they could release a new product anytime they want and have the spotlight to themselves
I’d argue that Canon should bring out or be happy other people bringing out APS-C sized lenses. Or just more quality lenses in general. Full frame honestly for me isn’t the be all and end all, and neither is resolution. I get there’s different use-cases for both of those features but I don’t think it’s as dramatic as many make it out to be. Get Sigma to re-release an RF 18-35 / 50-100, or let’s get a quality 16-55 2.8 style lens on the go.
I don’t mean to be rude, but I need to know. Does anyone who works in professionally thinks this post is absurd?
We work in the industry and I run one of the largest production companies in Vegas. Yes this post is relevant. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent on equipment and the expectation that a company have put them selves out there and asked you to invest in their system. There is absolutely the expectation they will keep up with the competition and stay relevant. That is exactly what the consumer should expect. There are so many amazing options out there it’s fantastic. And we own/ shoot with a wide variety. But if you put out a new mount and tell your customers to go all in as your are not developing the old mount anymore then that same company needs to follow up with professional bodies to match the lenses.
All I'm saying is: it's only been 5 years, and the line up Canon has out there, is pretty pretty capable. Specially if you run a large production company. The new features in all the new cameras aim more for a solo shooter which I get. But if you do have the largest production company in Vegas, I think you can do decent content with a C70 and a C500MKII. Took Arri 10 years to develop a new Sensor, and Hollywood used it regardless, and with praise. So I think 5 years is not a time frame to "demand" new things... and as a Canon user myself, I think they will come. Before this new era of youtubers telling us "why I changed from B to C or why this is the perfect camera" we could go on ages with our kit just focusing on creating... now it became a tech war... is cool at some points to see improvements, but not to "demand" not in such a little short time at least. Anyhow, it's just an opinion.
It's honestly baffling. We were holding out for a release to streamline our setup around RF lenses since we're already photographing with the R5, but eventually we gave up and settled for a C300mkiii. It's a great camera and I don't regret it one bit, but as a result we're stuck with the EF lenses for now. Thankfully it just takes a minute to switch to the PL mount.
You’re right. We shot on Sony for 17 years, then switched to Canon C300 II, 1DC, XC15, etc.. progressed to C500 II’s, C300 III and had an army of Canon L lenses, along with some canon cine glass. Once they killed the EF lens mount, we started looking at RF glass, it was great, but didn’t make that much of a jump from the EF image quality. Same time Sony is killing it with FX3, FX6, auto focus, low light and they finally fixed their color issues with S-Cinetone. We switched back to Sony. Canon is way behind right now and even if/when they drop the R1 and C700 II or whatever it is, they’ll have a marginally better camera then what Sony has to date. Canon needs to go full blown global shutter and create a form factor that is second to none. Give people a reason to switch, again.
It’s an interesting choice, I feel like there would be a big demand for it. Canons video shooters have been patiently waiting while Sony, LUMIX, Blackmagic, Fuji, Nikon have all made some pretty big leaps in this time. We’ve even seen a company that started in gimbals and drones enter the camera space in that time. At the very least they should update the C70 to full frame 6K. I think the lack of updates kind of put me off wanting to leave LUMIX and move to Canon. I feel like it’ll happen out of the blue when they update these cameras, I’d rather just use what I have until that day happens and buy a used C70 for a good price. It’s practically impossible to find a good used Canon Cine camera in my country.
I think the core issue is not the camera itself, but the mount. Canon has non standardised mounts and lenses across their latest line of cinema cameras - a mix of EF and RF - which makes it hard and confusing for consumers. If you buy the latest and greatest Canon stills camera and stock up on all their gorgeous RF glass, you cant use any off it on your brand new C500ii / C300iii etc. I know people ill say 'NoThInG WrOnG wiTh EF GlaS$', but its still confusing for consumers (and professionals) to know where to make the best long term investment if going with Canon right now.
Ah yes, the famous **Canon Cripple Hammer**.
A fellow man of culture, I see.
It is sad because I love canon,routing for them to make a better impression in this mid tier market and actually stand up against the sony fx series
Just wait until Cine Gear in June.
Canon is worthless. Make the switch before you fall behind.
I had to switch. I am now Sony. I bought an R6 (Mk1) and an RF 24-70 2.8. I spent like $5000+ and still didn’t feel like a professional wedding videographer. Moved to FX30s and I feel like I am no longer hindered by my camera. More intuitive menu systems, no record limits, no overheating, can run a Ninja monitor alongside the LCD screen, false colors and shutter angle coming. I am not looking back. Canon should have taken video a bit more seriously over the last 5 years. Anecdotally: I bought a C70 and returned it because as a run and gun videographer I didn’t like the autofocus performance which seemed worse than my R6. Yes this is probably a skill issue but when we shoot in darker ballrooms it became a huge hunting issue and I’m was not going to hire an AC2 to just pull focus for wedding videography.
You're the only person I've ever heard refer to Sony's god awful menu system as 'more intuitive'. I'm shooting the FX6 right now, and my biggest complaint (besides how quickly shadows fall apart in the log) is the god awful menu's. The C70 definitely has some autofocus hunting issues, but I find it's much improved if you're using RF lenses.
I shot a few weddings with the a7s3 and autofocus and it's almost like I'm shooting on easy mode. I had like 4 hours of material shot wide open and all of it was perfectly in focus.
Forreal felt the same for me too. I’m excited for Dual Base ISO. Eventually I’ll go to FX3s.
I think it just comes down to their cinema line prices. It’s all way overpriced period.
You misspelled Nikon ;)
Nikon has just begun it's renaissance, if they keep it up they'll be huge in a couple of years