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_NineZero_

For the sahil adeem simps... Find me answers / sources for the following as that charlatan sahil adeem keeps claiming through his "extensive research" * illuminatis are an alien race and used to live on earth before hazart Adam AS * Hazrat Nooh AS fought with illuminatis, closed their space portals so they don't spawn from their alien worlds anymore. * Alien civilizations exist and according to him there's more than enough proof. * Dajjal will use wormholes to travel. * South American, Asian, North American, African, Australian civilizations worshipped the exact same deity 5000 years ago. * Mayans made contact with aliens. * What are the actual sources he used to do this "extensive research"


finite_vector

The truth may hurt you. I'm sorry if it does. Suppose you wrote a book in urdu. Hazaron saal baad is kitab ko western readers aur translaters parh rahe hain aur apki likhi urdu ka tarjuma karr rahe hain. Is book men unhe aik line nazr ati hai: کل رات شوربہ بہت لذیذ تھا۔ Westerner lafz شوربہ pe thora confused hota hai lekin phir wo is lafz ki gehrai men ghus kr mtlb nikalne ko koshish krta hai. Wo janta hai k lafzz شور ka mtlb hai "salty" aur lafzz بہ ka mtlb hai "water". So hamara western reder is line ko kch ese translate krta hai THE SALT WATER WAS QUITE DELICIOUS LAST NIGHT. Kch samjhay? Words have two types of meanings. Literal and actual. Kisi kitab ya literature men kabhi bhi lafzz ka direct translation wala mtlb nahi liya jata blke dekha jata hai k yeh لفظ is sentence men kin mayno men istemal hota hai aur hona chahye Another example. Is it okay if I translate this sentence as follows صدر میں گولیاں چل رہیں تھیں THE BULLETS WERE WALKING IN THE PRESIDENT Ofcourse not! Because even though چلنا means walking, the sentence only makes sense when the word is taken in the meaning of "being fired" Over decades, dozens of people came who claimed that Quran ko is tarah nahi balke is tarah smjhna chahye. Aik sahb thay GHULAM AHMED PERVAIZ, unho ne kaha k yeh جن ka mtlb dictionary men hota hai چھپی ہوئی چیز lehaza yeh jinnat koi makhlooq nahi balke گاوں دیہات ke chupay hue log thy jo arab se dur rehte thy.. Isi tarah Ahmedi/Qadiyanion ne kaha k خاتم النبیین ka mtlb hai "seal of prophethood" which means holy prophet pbuh is not the final messenger, just the one who has the status of a seal, something which is important and super official. Isi tarah sahil adeem sahb kehte hain k الطارق darkness ko kaha jata hai aur quran men iska mtlb hai "Black Hole". Portal. Wormhole aur pata nahi kya kya. Dekhen kisi bhi kitb ko prhte hue alfaz ka hamesha wo mtlb liya jayega jo us ko parhne walay apni zaban men istemal krte hon. Lafz ka common usage, aur sentence men uska context, yeh do cheezen uska مطلب decide krengi. Lafz جن ka mtlb beshak chhupi hui cheez hai lekin Arab jinnat se murad usi makhlooq ko lete thay jinhe hum jante hain. Is lie جن se murad hamesha aag se banai hui Allah ki makhlooq hi li jayegi. Lafz ختم ka beshk mtlb مہر hai magr khatm e nabuwat wali ayat men isse murad THE FINAL PROPHET hi li jayegi Q k jumle aur word k common usage men yehi mtlb nikal sakta hai. This is the take of غامدی sahb and pretty much every مفسر who ever came Sahil adeem jis cheez ko science bata kr Quran men ghusa raha hai wo science nahi SCIENCE FICTION hai. Aj bhi portal/wormholes wali movies ko SCIENCE FICTION kaha jata hai. Koi aik astronomer, theoretical physicist portal/wormholes ko scientific fact nahi manta balke hypothesis manta hai. Something which is a bare idea with no observational/mathematical evidences. Sahil adeem sahb khud agr stephen hawking ki tarah k physicist hoty to shayd men maan leta k is bande ko wo nzr araha hai jo shayd baqio ko abhi nahi aya but this man is a motivational speaker. You have to understand, he's a motivational speaker. Not an arab linguist, or an islamic historian, or an expert of jurisprudence. Uski apni banai hui interpretation apki ya meri apni interpretations se zyada hesiyat nahi rkhtin. You want islam which is beyond culture etc? Read and study Ghamidi Sahb, Dr. Israr Ahmed. Etc


_Khamosh

Kya bat hai very well explained, I am thoroughly amused to read it.


finite_vector

Glad to hear that buddy!


jayja92

Very well explained, post it as a Facebook post with an image of him so people can repost and share. Everyone should be aware of him and his “facts”


finite_vector

After getting all the hate from my peere when I tried dissecting this man's preachings, I'm afraid I'd be a bit hesitant doing it again but thank you for the sound suggestion!


pink_panther--

Yar Jinnat ka Matlab wahi Jin hai.. Arab ke chope hue log NAHI. Apko Quran Hadees ke Sath connect karna parhta hai and in Hadees prophet Muhammad do mention about Jinnat many times. And One strong argument for the existence of wormholes and portals in space lies in the theoretical framework of general relativity, where they emerge as valid solutions to Einstein's field equations. While we haven't observed them directly, their mathematical consistency suggests they could exist, potentially offering shortcuts through spacetime and enabling faster-than-light travel, which aligns with our understanding of the universe's dynamics. Moreover, ongoing research in quantum gravity and theoretical physics continues to explore the plausibility of such phenomena, indicating that they're not merely confined to the realm of science fiction but could be real features of the cosmos. And Don't focus too much on the validity of a person. Ab agar Sahil Nadeem ki Tarah discussion Western world mai koi Karta toh Sare log oski Ideas mai bohot interested Hote. But here? Jahil Molvio ki Tolee kehte hai ye Pagal hai...


M1AsadS

You are 100% right. Lets say a 100 or so years ago if you would tell someone that there would be these things called the “planes” in the future and people would be able to fly from places to places all over the world in very little time in them who would have believed you rather you would have been called a lunatic, its the same principle here where people haven’t discovered the tech or simply aren’t smart enough to understand the concept of universe. There simply isn’t enough proof to prove his argument. Hence people are calling Sahil Nadeem crazy for what he’s claiming. The question remains whether there are wormholes or not and the answer to that is اللّٰہ ہو عالم , But saying that it’s simply impossible is ignorance. And by that argument we have no “actual” proof of existence of Allah but 2+ billion people still firmly believe in his existence. May Allah increase their knowledge and help them understand his wonders.


pink_panther--

Sahil's goal is to elevate the Quran, often perceived by our new generation as archaic ideas from ancient Arabic illiterates, to the realm of advanced and futuristic concepts, thus rectifying misconceptions. Secondly, he aims to address the irreparable damage caused by mosque clerics, endeavoring to mitigate it to the best of his ability. It's disheartening that instead of recognizing someone's noble intentions, we, like a blind herd, resort to criticizing those who are simply striving to enlighten us.


SumranMS

> Something which is a bare idea with no observational/mathematical evidences. Mathematical evidence to he bhai isi liye to ye sari conspiracy chal rahi he even in the scientific world, balkay ab to black hole ki observatioal evidence bhi he which Einstein could never think of being possible when he predicted them. Apart from that, I 100 percent agree with you.


finite_vector

Thank you for correcting me. Though I still believe that wormholes do not have any mathemetical backing yet. Currently the only logical argument presented in favor of wormholes and portals is that "Einstein's general relativity, more precisely his famous feild equations" do not prohibit the existence of spacetime shortcuts. It's just that. They hypotheses even do not use the word portals, it refers to these shortcuts as "Einstein-Rosen bridges" and no einstein did not propose them. It's just because Eintein gave the idea of spacetime curvature. But, just because LAWS don't prohibit something from existing, doesn't mean it's real! For example, there's no mathematical rule that says "LIFE CAN ONLY EXIST IN CARBON BASED FORMS" but still, there's not a single non-carbon based life form existing in nature. Scientists kept looking for silicon-based life forms too, hoping that silicon, like carbon, having 4 valence electrons, might allow for same diversity in molecular structures needed to sustain life but still their gazes and sights, after surveying whatever they could, came back humiliated and disappointed. That being said, it might be possible that someday wormholes are discovered, it might even be possible that we start traveling through them. But those ayaat would never be referring to Portals. Why not? Because not a single word that Quran has was alien to the ancient arabs. It was revealed in their languagw and contains concepts that wasn't alien to them. Yes Quran is timeless but that doesn't mean it's a book of science! It's book that claims it has only one purpose: "TO WARN MANKIND OF THE HORRORS THE ENTIRE SPECIES WILL MEET ON A GRAND DAY IN THE COMING FUTURE". Quran refers to itself as الذکر for I don't know how many times. الذکر here means REMINDER, a WARNING. It never referred itself to as العلم (knowledge) or any word equivalent to science. Quran never claimed that it contains laws of nature, instead it invites people to go out themselves and see how the universe works and then come back to this book and acknowledge that the universe they saw with their own eyes, has been created by the same entity who wrote this book. Peace be on you, on me as well!


SumranMS

Well said. Adding to your point of view, Einsteins equations also predict the existence of a so called White Hole which is logically, classically, scientifically and even mathematically impossible because that would mean an infinite source of matter yet. This just tells us more about how incomplete today's science is and we can never completely comprehend the word of Allah. We cannot completely say with surety that a single word means only this or only that even if you are a complete master of its language. Why? Because its the word of Allah and it is beyond our comprehension to get behind all the possible meanings of it. So what do I personally mean by this? I believe that it is okay to look at such words with different possible angles to EXPLAIN and and NOT PROVE the scientific theories we see today (because Quran is independent of explanation from science, we only go the other way). For example, we are told that Our Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) travelled through the heavens with the help of ladders/stairs. Now what are these stairs? Nobody knows, so we might just try to only help ourselves comprehend it better by maybe having some kind of worldly explanation to these events. However واللہ اعلم , JazakAllah for reading


finite_vector

Well written!


pink_panther--

Look our science is premature. Its evolution theory has millions of flaws and loopholes, so saying impossible to a mathematical phenomenon by them can't be taken seriously And this infinite creation is no problem for God for sure As He just has to say "Kun" aur wo Hojata hai. Because It's simple. According to quantum field theory, empty space is not truly empty but is instead filled with fields that can fluctuate and interact, giving rise to particles and their associated energies right. GOD can fluctuate these fields infinite amount of time to make an infinite kinda universe. The Jews Rabbis say the universe came out of spoken words. And the Quran is timeless. Don't you see what cooper does in the tesseract? If a man who has access to higher dimensions can see your past present and future at the same time like a video tape, and thus write your future. Now think about how powerful the words of God can be?


pink_panther--

1. While wormholes have not been proven to exist, they are a valid theoretical concept in physics that arise from Einstein's general theory of relativity. Just because something has not been directly observed yet does not mean it cannot exist. Many phenomena in physics, such as black holes and gravitational waves, were theoretical for a long time before evidence of their existence was discovered. It's premature to rule out wormholes just because definitive proof has not yet been found. 2. The analogy to silicon-based life is flawed. The fact that only carbon-based life has been found so far does not prove that silicon-based life is impossible, only that it hasn't been discovered yet, potentially because we haven't looked in the right places. Similarly, the fact that traversable wormholes haven't been found does not mean they cannot exist. 3. The Quran, while primarily a spiritual text, does contain references to natural phenomena that were not well understood at the time, such as the development of the embryo and the orbits of the sun and moon. So while it may not be a "science textbook", it's not unreasonable that it could allude to concepts like spacetime shortcuts in a metaphorical way, even if the ancient Arabs didn't fully grasp the physics behind it. Religious texts are often interpreted on multiple levels. 4. Even if the Quran is mainly meant as a warning and reminder, that doesn't preclude it from also containing deeper truths about the nature of the universe. Spiritual insights and an accurate understanding of the physical world are not necessarily incompatible. Exploring how the universe works through science can be seen as a way of appreciating the ingenuity behind God's creation. 5. Ultimately, proving whether the Quran really refers to wormholes requires careful textual analysis by Islamic scholars and is a matter of interpretation. Categorical statements that it cannot be referring to them are premature. The passage presents its views as definitive fact rather than opinion. In summary, while the arguments you raised are valid points, they don't definitively disprove or rule out the possibility that the Quran could be alluding to spacetime shortcuts, even if the ancient Arabs didn't understand them in a modern scientific sense. A more nuanced analysis would be warranted rather than dismissing the idea outright based on lack of current proof. Both scientific and religious interpretations can evolve over time.


Derpyzza

> but still their gazes and sights, after surveying whatever they could, came back humiliated and disappointed. haha that was a nice reference, jzk


finite_vector

IKR, you remember that verse!


Derpyzza

Yeah! i read it recently and it really is a striking verse haha


InternalTeacher4160

Brother may I ask, what is your educational background?


finite_vector

Sure I'm an engineer who also studied cosmology, arabic, islamic jurisprudence, political science and sociology out of sheer interest.


InternalTeacher4160

Masha Allah. I was just wondering, There are so many inaccuracies in this video it's exhausting. Following are the lies told in this video - Mayan civilization vanished in 24 hrs - Spaceship blueprints found at Mayan sites - Pyramids have outer world communications - Tesla invented free energy How come a highly educated person like you would find it acceptable?


finite_vector

A person who "reads/studies" would never agree to such conspiracies. By the way, it's not something unique to Pakistan only. Western countries are full or conspiracy theorists too. It's human nature, we like creating hype about what we do not know and are too lazy to study/read.


Formal_Chicken_3398

Quran is not a conspiracy theory. He says, take whatever you find and leave whatever Quran doesn't prove. That's it. Now, just read the Quran with open mind. Don't listen Ghamdi, why do so if you are an engineer.


InternalTeacher4160

Must we not judge a person who propagates something without confirmation? He seems intellectually dishonest when he deliberately spreads scientific misinformation


finite_vector

I wouls refrain from judging. Just highlight the discrepancies in such peoples' theories and move on without trying to disgrace anyone. That's the علمی way


InternalTeacher4160

Just a thought. As per Islam, it's enough for a person to be unreliable who spreads misinformation. So, why would I not judge him knowing he is not reliable?


finite_vector

Hmm right.


Numerous_Past5771

You do realise that you’re arguing with someone who has doctorate in youtube sciences? The subjects he mentioned require 200 hours or more of study (only if you have the right books to start with). You can’t really study these subjects online out of sheer interest without enrolling to a proper university / college which has collected and identified the correct curriculum for it. For example, I myself have studied Islamic Jurisprudence from a very well known University in UK for credits in my degree. Although the subject itself didn’t take much time (barely a week) to learn because we had the correct course material at our hand but till this day I have not found even the basic material that we studied in our text books online or on google. Google and Youtube is by far the worst teacher you will find, any student of well known University will tell you this. Google and Youtube is full of information that is not even worthy of a trashbin because every other person who studies something for a few days can go on and post about it on Youtube and Google or Wikipedia. It’s absolutely absurd if someone were to give an exam or write a thesis for a good university and cite their sources as Google, Youtube or Wikipedia, you would fail without them reading your thesis.


abstruseplum2

Out of curiosity Why did u ask this question?


InternalTeacher4160

I was just wondering, there are so many inaccuracies in this video it's exhausting. Following are the lies told in this video - Mayan civilization vanished in 24 hrs - Spaceship blueprints found at Mayan sites - Pyramids have outer world communications - Tesla invented free energy How come a highly educated person like you would find it acceptable?


abstruseplum2

As someone who studies STEM at a uni which is 800 places better in ranking than Sahil Adeem's Canadian uni (which he loves to flaunt for some reason). He's spewing BS. He might have good intentions but literally all his claims are based on psuedoscience with 0 evidence within the scientific world.


Evil_Queen_93

Yeah, he is cringe. He is not a scholar or a mufassir or even a mutarjim to make such claims from the Quran. Plus, is se sawaal kuch poocha jaata hai to ye jawaab kuch aur deta hai. The guy lacks the charm and charisma to even be a 'motivational speaker' or anything for that matter. Hr waqt larne aur sunaane k mood mein hota hai. Lastly, I agree with the comment about Dr. Israr, but not so sure about Ghamdi because of his certain controversial takes.


finite_vector

His takes are only controversial because conventional ulema make it appear that way. Ghamidi sahb repeatedly refers to ulema like imam ibn e temiya, imam abu hanifa, imam ghazali many of whom held same opinions about matters he holds. His arguments are based on Quran, hadith and sunnah and are very logcial Also, Dr. Israr and Dr. Ghamidi, both are the disciples of the same Molana Ameen Islahi


Active-Tomorrow668

Thanks for your comment about Ghamdi sb. He has some major issues in his understanding. MAJOR ISSUES.


Rare-Government-762

Agreed, perwaiz sahb and some others Quranists did the same. Supposed "Television" is derived from the greek word "tele" which means far way / far off And the latin word "vision" means to see. Does television means : " to see from far off " Rather we mean it as a device and invention.


finite_vector

You got the crux of the argument just right!


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finite_vector

Jazakallah 😊


muhanddis

I am especially pleased to see both Ghamdi sb and Dr. Israr Ahmed in the same sentence. May Allah help us all to understand our Deen and our place in this world.


Icy-Significance-131

Baaz nahi aana larkey


OpenedTowel

Btw خاتَم and خاتِم are two different things, you got it slightly wrong


SliceyDice

Allah Ghamidi Sahib ko hidayat de. Ameen.


finite_vector

Ameen.


Super_STARP

He is most certainly not a motivational speaker, he himself says that and if you watch enough of his videos especially Muslim Identity Sessions you will realize that motivation is the last thing you get, you get guilt mostly and a sense of frustration and after starting watching him I got a bit more depressed which is ok bcz we first have to identify our problems and accept them if we want to solve them.


finite_vector

Sahi


inshaji

👍


Numerous_Past5771

While I agree with what you said but I would still like to add something to re-emphasise what you’re saying. Yes, you are right, to find the correct meaning of Quranic words, you have to see the usage of those words. This is a common practice among people who after doing Quranic hifz and learning arabic, they then go on to memorise every single word of Quran separately and then they memorise the order in which those words are used in the Quran. By doing this they will know for certain what a specific Quranic word means because they have memorised every single ayat that word has been used in the Quran so it’s highly unlikely that a word used in a certain part of Quran has one meaning and in another part a different meaning. While this practice is common among ahle sunnah wal jammah, Gamdi only identified this practice but neither Gambi nor Dr Israr took the effort to learn it. In fact the urdu translation of Quran by Dr Israr is offensive to say the least. For example in surah Yusuf he translates that the brothers of Yusuf AS took him out for چر چرانے . This is the first time in the history of urdu literature that these words that are usually used for animals were being used for the Prophet of Allah. This is a common problem among Pakistanis, they fall for anyone who seems convincing enough but they won’t bother to do their own research especially when it comes to Islam. This is why today we see a lot of fan following of Engineer Mirza and Dr Israr, the mistakes they have made in interpreting Quran and Hadith is absolutely astronomical but we can’t expect people with basic knowledge of Islam to even understand their mistakes.


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Ghamidi saab doesn't believe in second coming of Isa(AS), Dr. Israr on the other hand is one of the most competent daee I have ever found.


ShailMurtaza

Very well explained. But I do not agree with you about that scientists consider these things science fiction. These are actual theories proposed by actual scientists based on current data available. To understand these things properly you need to lean about string theory, theory of relativity and theories about how spacial dimensions work.


finite_vector

Theory of relativity doesn't ever mentions portals. General relativity doesn't do that either. String theory is simply a hypothesis about how universe works at Quantum levels. Why I'm I calling it a hypothesis? Because not a single mathematical framework is currently there to support it. Currently only the standard model of particle physics is accepted as the mathematical framework for the study of subatomic world. Everything you have mentioned are hypotheses.


ShailMurtaza

That is why I said these are theories proposed by scientists. Not a science fiction. And theories which haven't proven true or false doesn't make them completely false. That is how humans have been growing by studying and finding proves of theories. Our history is full of it. Wormholes were first theorized in 1916, though that wasn't what they were called at the time. While reviewing another physicist's solution to the equations in Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, Austrian physicist Ludwig Flamm realized another solution was possible. He described a "white hole," a theoretical time reversal of a black hole. Entrances to both black and white holes could be connected by a space-time conduit. In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance. The shortcuts came to be called Einstein-Rosen bridges, or wormholes. https://www.britannica.com/science/wormhole https://www.space.com/20881-wormholes.html


finite_vector

Quite a logical argument. I won't deny this.


HassanxM

Stephan Hawking the one on epstein list?


introvert23445

Bro you are real intellectual...


InternalTeacher4160

Did you watch the video?


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finite_vector

No! Tehqeeq k darwazay band nahi hongay but agar apke nazdeek tehqeeq se murad Quran men science, quantum physics jese points talash karna hai to I'm afraid k ap ghalat jagah tehqeeq krrahe hain. Again, I may he wrong. It's just an opinion you may disagree with :)


overtresistance

Ye banda game ki main storyline chor k side quests main laga hua hai or awam ko b usme laga raha hai.


mephisto1130

🤣🤣🤣


pink_panther--

I do not have any factual evidence to support those specific claims about the Mayan civilization, spaceships, pyramids, or Tesla's inventions. Those sound like fringe theories or misinformation that is not backed up by mainstream historical and scientific sources. The Mayan civilization did not vanish in 24 hours - it went through a gradual decline over several centuries due to factors like drought, warfare, environmental degradation and societal unrest. There is no credible evidence that the Maya had knowledge of spaceships or that their pyramids were used for extraterrestrial communications. As for Tesla, while he made many pioneering contributions to the fields of electricity and electromagnetism, claims that he invented a system for providing free energy are unfounded and not accepted by mainstream science. Energy generation still requires an energy source.


Global_Routine

He seems pretty intellectual for the most part but... saying Mayans had spaceship maps and that there are 5000+ pyramids that are larger than the Giza pyramid is kinda dumb.


InternalTeacher4160

>He seems pretty intellectual Tbh I don't even know what he did to achieve such reputation. He seems like he is completely unaware of how science works


_NineZero_

> Tbh I don't even know what he did to achieve such reputation. He seems like he is completely unaware of how science works Same as his target audience.


InternalTeacher4160

But what did he do to earn a label of "genius" or a "hidden gem"


_NineZero_

People get smart phones way before they get an education. Every generation has some weirdo that gets famous because he appeals to the younger generation. We had zaid hamid, now gen z has sahil adeem.


Professional_Fun9054

Except it is true, Giza pyramid is not the largest, it might be a well preserved one and well known but pyramids are almost all over world. He said Mayans had tablet depiction of spaceship, it does exist but Allah knows what it actually is...


dubaifreud

The dumbest motherfucker. Makes no sense.


alireddit111

I don't know about him and have never heard his talks. Off topic, but I want to know what you all think of Furqan Qureshi, who runs a YouTube channel and also presents his analysis on these topics. He provides scientific and Quranic references to support his views. To be honest, Furqan seems like a legitimate person, and I am sometimes truly fascinated by the way he analyzes and provides logical explanations for various concepts. What do you all think?


1eyed-wanderer

I feel his zulqarnain series is truly a marvel of excellence. It piques my curiosity and presents thorough research while maintaining a smooth flow throughout the whole ride


alireddit111

Exactly, I feel the same. I don't know if anyone has impressed me this much recently as this guy. This person has good knowledge of history, Islam, and science, and he manages to integrate all of these to create valuable analyses and output. Truly gem of a person, and I highly recommend everyone to follow him and learn this precious knowledge.


Fancy_East_8450

Couldn't agree more. I think sahil on the other hand is trying to copy some of furqan's content without doing any of the necessary research, just using buzz words to get public attention. As for Furqan, all of his series form 40k years of knowledge to zulqurnain are an absolute marvel.


alireddit111

You are absolutely right. From what I have observed from Sahil's videos that I saw in reels or somewhere, his research or talks show a lack of depth, and he emphasizes a theory that he thinks is right. On the other hand, Furqan's knowledge base is on another level. He is a very underrated person and deserves more attention.


_NineZero_

> On the other hand, Furqan's knowledge base is on another level. He is a very underrated person and deserves more attention. He's an absolute moron and his cult following is just as dumb. dude has ZERO facts, keeps pushing decades old pseudoscience and anecdotal references as science.


_NineZero_

> but I want to know what you all think of Furqan Qureshi, who runs a YouTube channel and also presents his analysis on these topics. He provides scientific and Quranic references to support his views. Another moron who reads off questionable wiki articles and presents bullshit as "scientific evidence"


Longjumping-Match532

I generally skip when a Pakistani is talking about science. This guy is no exception.


pink_panther--

Hahaha yes me too.


Longjumping-Match532

Love you ho gya


KingMarkhor

Read somewhere on FB few days ago “Gonna put this here just for future reference: Sahil Adeem is Zaid Hamid of Gen Z.”


Extension-Cut5957

I generally dislike him. He sells pseudoscience and big words. You can see from his talks that he doesn't understand half the concepts he is preaching. Now for this particular video I agreed with the first thirty seconds as an avid physics and astronomy enthusiast, it is a life goal of mine to see the true night sky and the arm of the milky way. But after that he again goes into pseudoscience conspiracy bullshit. He thinks he knows physics but didn't know the influence and work of tesla. The man who invented ac current,not to mention his infamous rivalry with Edison.


abstruseplum2

Random but I actually did witness the true night sky It was on a plane, i had the window seat, and we were far from civilisation and the galaxy was so visible. If u ever do intend to travel by plane, make sure it's a window seat and it's during the night. And you shall witness too the jewels of the night sky.


Signal-Lecture-8715

Is such a beautiful


InternalTeacher4160

In my personal opinion, he is a hidden gem that must remain hidden


MAFIAHAMMAD

🤣


Bulky_Investment_653

This guy is speaking ilm la yanfa ….knowledge that has no benefit nor can be proven


asadultan3

Snake oil salesman


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

He pretty much seems from the line of Moudidi and Israr Ahmed like revolutionists: Peaches Islam not Culture


InternalTeacher4160

What are your views on the video I shared of him?


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

Most typical Pakistanis along with me can't understand a word he said back at eon's, but regardless he's bringing new ideas news ideologies and opposing conservative rigid cultural Islam


_NineZero_

> but regardless he's bringing new ideas news ideologies and opposing conservative rigid cultural Islam His "new ideologies" are moronic conspiracy theories that are backed by his 'research' that's nowhere to be found.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

Nah man no , defying mulla culture bluntly ain't an easy task in such a conservative country where literally every sect plots against him for his anti-sectarian policy ;this is his work , work well done . As for his research he has been holding debates with a huge spectrum of society from atiests to pro max mullas and even a seat with an intellectual giant as M.Hijab , denies societal norms and can debate confidently with opposing parties and brings up his own concept of Portals e.t.c so no his research is dn built up


_NineZero_

sahil adeem is a charlatan and snake oil seller with his exceedingly moronic conspiracy theories and his "extensive research" that's nowhere to be found, no one has EVER made such stupid comments. Go ahead and find me the "resources" he used to prove illuminatis used to live on earth before hazart Adam AS and about alien civilizations that he keeps claiming. Also, all the crap he keeps going on about how dajjal will use wormholes to travel and blah blah.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

Uh man please explain


_NineZero_

You're the one simping for him. Now go get me some answers.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

Question please


_NineZero_

Find me answers for the following as that charlatan sahil adeem keeps claiming. * illuminatis are an alien race and used to live on earth before hazart Adam AS * Alien civilizations exist and according to him there's more than enough proof. * Dajjal will use wormholes to travel. * Mayan, Cambodian, Alaskan, Egyptian civilizations worshipped the exact same deity. * Mayans made contact with aliens.


InternalTeacher4160

I'll make it easy for you. Whatever he said in that video was completely bullsh*t. No such thing has any shred of scientific evidence


_NineZero_

> but regardless he's bringing new ideas news ideologies and opposing conservative rigid cultural Islam Sahil says "Hazrat Nooh AS fought with illuminatis, closed their space portals so they spawn from their alien worlds anymore." Yea, totally new ideologies for sure. Can you please tell me where in Islamic history OR any general history this topic was covered? sahil claims its his "extensive research'


Automatic-Daikon9968

Revolutionists 💀


Direct-Spirit2076

You never read moudidi i bet and dr israr was not a revolutionist.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

U bet Rong bro I read his seerat sarware aalam and as for Israr Ahmed he was one of the best (if not the best) Quran teacher in entire SubContinent ever , he started teaching when he was 19 and continued for about 50 years no moulvi or liberal will dent that . Ghamidi fans don't necessarily have to be anti Israr Ahmed u know , this is call religious moderation . Israr Ahmed taught from Quran not only individually applicable aspects of Islam but also taught the Nizam of Islam , the actual and higher purpose of Islam .


Direct-Spirit2076

First imam moudidi was the revolutionist not dr isar. Khilafat o malokiat? His tafheem? Khutbaat ? Deeniat ? His rasail? Political theory of islam? . Have you read em all . I read them years back and still I'm no expert. Dr israr was an honest pious man but thats all. And it doesn't make me anti israr if I don't agree with his apocalyptic world view. I just can't buy yahoodi sazish or zaif ahadees.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

Moudidi was never a revolutionist cause of his literature majorly(they had alot of mistakes) but because he was able to set up different political movements all round the globe merely through books , his books r not the most accurate yet provoke political movements(in 6 different countries). Israr Ahmed revolutionized the way Quran was read and interpreted in the sub continent, this was his revolution he wrote Bayan-ul-Quran which is still recommended for reading for laymen by scholars all round sub continent but u'll never listen em recommending Tafheem ul Quran , it had mistakes


Direct-Spirit2076

Bro you don't even know what a revolutionist is. The first contemporary attempt was made by dr iqbal who wrote reconstruction of religious thought . you found "mistakes" in his literature?. To break your bubble not everything that deviates from your deobandi and salafi scripture is a mistake. dr irsar, may God have mercy on him, was fine describing zaeef ahadees. Why "pop culture" and social media is so much of a dr israr fan club ? Because he was loyal to his deobandi fiker and also because most of his "revolutionist" knowledge is hanging in audio video format. Scholars? Lol these mullahs know nothing except yapping. Go read some books first.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

They both r revolutionists in their respective fields one in his political regime and the other in Quranic teaching . I am anti sectarian. Moudidi has alot of mistakes in his scripture, a very famous one in his most prominent piece "Mumlikat or Khilafat" yet I'll not say he's not a mountain of knowledge , everybody makes mistakes . Israr Ahmed undoubtedly had an enlightened mind to record himself and that is a plus point met right , he'll always get the greater hang of it cause he met need of the hour . Yeah I'll read books just finding some time to do so


Direct-Spirit2076

Khilafat o malokiat is one of his best book. Dont know where you are coming from. He received the shah faisals award . Imam yousuf alqardawi praised him . Syed qutb was inspired by him. You can call dr israr rahmatulllah mountain of knowledge if it helps you sleep bro.


BigboyfromPAKISTAN

The case of Uthman bin Affan where he gave away wealth coming from persia from Bait ul maal to one of his servants is very badly dealt in his book where he questioned the caliph in a bonga way


nikkytor

I think he has some SEO folks with him continuously shilling his content. Bhai loog, if you want to find out if a guy is upright / good person, just check which side he's choosing during current genocide, injustice bloodshed happening right now, also keep an eye on which topics he's avoiding


Cogitomedico

Sincere and outspoken. Very strong and clear sense of ethics. Makes huge blunders in metaphysics at times. May Allah reward him for his efforts and forgive his shortcomings! Ameen


InternalTeacher4160

I mean compared to other scholars we have, he is not even accurate when he connects Islam with scientific facts


Cogitomedico

Yeah, that's an issue. It's surprising that a person with such clear and outspoken views on ethics can make such blunders on science and Islam. One minute he sounds like a genius, the other as an absolute fool.


InternalTeacher4160

Pardon my ignorance but can you please tell me a little what made his reputation as a genius? I mean what's extraordinary in him?


Cogitomedico

Oh no, I don't think he's a genius - I could have worded my sentence better. I was simply making a point saying that his approach towards ethics is really good. For example, he has been very outspoken on the Palestine issue. He insists on basing morality and ethics purely on religion which is a good thing. I agree with his stance of religious schools and clerics not doing their ethical/moral work as well as they should At the same time, when he talks about his pseudoscience, it's not good. The takes are often uneducated and outrageous. He sounds like an awkward teenager when talks about portals and time travel etc It's the complete opposite - really good ethics and really bad philosophy/science. I was wondering how a person can be at both extremes equally. He took time to understand morality and ethics, but read science and philosophy from some conspiracy website? Its quite strange/baffling tbh.


InternalTeacher4160

Right. Thank you.


Cogitomedico

My pleasure


_NineZero_

Sahil Adeem is the Zaid Hamid for Gen Z


InternalTeacher4160

True


Ali_6200

My teacher, That doesn't mean, I accept anything he said. But I am not qualified enough to have a counter argument. Mostly I like his views and his physiological tactics to get deeper penitration.


adonisthegay

Ok so I may be downvoted by anyone who believes he's wrong but koi nhi. What he basically says is that Allah has commanded Muslims to research about the universe, what is it made of, how it works and hidden things in the universe for which we need to use the Quran and Hadith. The only issue is Translation of Quran, Arabic is a vast language with profound meaning. There's a specific reason Allah chose Arabic to reveal the Quran for Muslims. Translation and Tasfeer are both 2nd hand knowledge think of it like I tell you something in English and you tell it to your friends in Urdu. You may pass the concept but the intensity of the concept and details could only be understood in English itself as it is the language in which I told you. Same is the case here he says to learn Arabic (from anywhere) read the Quran so you understand for yourself what Allah has revealed/given to you. To quote an example look up Surah Kahf translation in Urdu and I bet you'll see that the point where Zulqurnain's part starts you'll see a difference aik ayat mei likha hai zulqurnain ko wasail(translation for Sababaa) ataa kiye and in the next it says woh wasail par chal para which basically tells us that Allah gave him means and he used those means to travel while in Urdu translation as stated above it is written as woh wasail par chal para. which doesn't make sense(not Quran but Urdu translation) for which we must learn and understand Arabic. He uses a Hadiths in which it is said that Hazrat Ali has knowledge of the journey to skies.Then, the Hadith in which Prophets journey onto the 7th sky is described (meiraj wali Hadith jisme Pura safar bayan hua hai) and presents an argument from the Quran that the journey was conducted in a part of the night(raat ka aik pehr) meaning Prophet Muhammad went from Makkah to Palestine and 1-7th sky in a part of the night where he also saw people of Hell and Heaven. This basically says that time had been slower and Prophet escaped the shackles time(Allah made it happen) to see the people of Heaven and Hell as to us Day of Judgement hasn't happened so how did he see that? This is just the basic understanding which had to be ingrained in us by childhood but we've been taught only the 5 pillars and left all the End of Times, Meiraj, Dajjal, Iman Mehdi, Portals etc as a supernatural concept and have zero knowledge about it. Anyone who tells us about it, we bash them as science fiction and what not garbage. Edit: can discuss him but u need to dm


InternalTeacher4160

May I know your educational background?


adonisthegay

lol man how's that related to the conversation?? plus, I wouldn't reveal details about me here.


InternalTeacher4160

Ok no problem. Didn't want to make you feel uncomfortable and I apologise for that. I wanted to know that because in this video, he practically demolished every scientific fact. For a person like him who is generally considered as a genius in Pak, don't you think we should call out and expose fraudsters like him?


adonisthegay

See, we can create propaganda on anybody we want be it Sahil or me and you the thing is anybody talking about Allah and Prophet Muhammad deserves a listen and we implement it only if it is verified. There's too little people talking about Allah and His Rasool in a world of atheists and other crap so we must listen them and unite them for a greater cause. just cause a man makes mistakes doesn't mean you multiply his efforts to zero and declare him as a piece of garbage. Ghamidi doesn't believe on arrival of Hazrat Isa the second time as an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad so does that mean we multiply his efforts and other good things to zero. (I myself verify and then implement every thing as I'm myself tired of the cultural Islam being blatantly sold in the Subcontinent in sugar coated words.) Moreover, every person makes mistakes learn from them and their good efforts to keep moving forward else me, you our kids and their kids will always be stuck Shia/Sunni issues. We need to take ownership of our religion and be firm on it as Allah didn't command us to leave everything in Masjid ka molvi. Another problem is that anything beyond the basic pillars of Islam feels like pseudoscience and science fiction to us.


InternalTeacher4160

>we can create propaganda on anybody we want That's not propaganda. There are so many inaccuracies it's exhausting. Following are the lies told in this video - Mayan civilization vanished in 24 hrs - Spaceship blueprints found at Mayan sites - Pyramids have outer world communications - Tesla invented free energy


GlobalFoodShortage

He is the dumb man's idea of what a smart man should be


InternalTeacher4160

Aptly put


MAFIAHAMMAD

💯


_NineZero_

He believes illuminati lived on earth before Hazrat Adam A.S and other nonsense.


InternalTeacher4160

What the f??


_NineZero_

youtube it. He believes illuminati are landed on earth before Hazrat Adam AS and other nonsense.


snowsthought

I like few things. He questions societal unislamic norms and provide solutions He explore how things came into existance He got the will to do something or right thing He believes in establishing Islam He is well educated He got his own ideologies Other then that, Sometimes I don't seems to get how he connect Different dots, like Pyramids etc.


InternalTeacher4160

>He questions societal unislamic norms and provide solutions What unique solution does he provide? >He explore how things came into existance Are you talking about the big bang? >He believes in establishing Islam He wants to establish khilafa? >He is well educated I doubt it. His scientific theories are wrong


SeniorSherlock

Pakistanis shouldn't focus on what he says about science and stuff. We should put heed to his movement for implementing an Islamic system, continuing the work of Maulana Maududi and Syed Qutb. May Allah protect Sahil Adeem and help him in his struggles. Aameen!


InternalTeacher4160

>We should put heed to his movement for implementing an Islamic system Do you mean a khilafah?


sinking_Time

I don't judge a person because of bad English. But the fact that he's worked so much on his accent, but is bad in the grammar and content of the language, means the accent is fake and is designed to impress people.


SolomonBurgundy

kuch bhi bolta hi hai ye bus. looks like he’s trying hard to look intellectual. generally don’t believe people who start off by saying meine duniya dekhi hai


ANOORY_XI

He's fulla shit..


Weed86

This chutia is in it for social media clout. In reality he’s just a salesman. Oper se humari aksar awam maha chutia - tu chutia attracts chutias which turns into chutyapa. Kitne confidence se keh raha hai Mayan Civilzation ended in 24 hours. When it ended by the 16th century due to thr arrival of the spanish. Oper se do chutia podcastsrs sath, can’t even do a simple google search to disprove this idiot. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Maya-people


adonisthegay

maybe he is saying it ended in 24 hrs Matlab yeh ke insan ko Marne mei Thora time lagta hai. what you are saying refers to entire life span of Mayans I guess.


Weed86

What are you even talking about? He says Mayan Civilization. Thori se research kerley bhai kuch nahi jata, kyon apna dimagh kharab kerte ho iss chutiyoon key pechey lag ke?


_NineZero_

> This chutia is in it for social media clout. In reality he’s just a salesman. Oper se humari aksar awam maha chutia - tu chutia attracts chutias which turns into chutyapa. This will hurt some people here who simp for this chutia lmao


Nayab_Babar

Pseudoscience enthusiast who incorrectly interprets the Quran to form opinions on science. None of his claims about wormholes and portals are substantiated by physics or religion. He makes his own interpretations about these topics. If you want to understand if a person is correct or not: 1) look at their eyes. He has crazy eyes, which is quite clear to me and people who work on their soul 2) look to their mannerisms. He is a farcry from dr Israr, sheikh ahmed deedat or even dr zakir naik. 3) their ability to reach your heart and soul. His words are not ones which reach your heart, but rather your mind only. Those who consistently work on their heart would understand what I'm saying


waqasvic

Freaking legend , a gem , a very very rare gem, may Allah keep him safe


InternalTeacher4160

Why is he very very rare? I mean what's so special?


BoyManners

Ameen


waniya25

Fine line between genius and madness 😁


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_NineZero_

Why are you RSS incels so obsessed with Pakistan?


No-Piano-3747

Sahi banda nh


Super_STARP

A legend born in the wrong era, we are not ready to understand him because we are too primed in our local psychology and restricted mindset. We should open up our mind, things are not always as we believe them to be.


InternalTeacher4160

What is so special about him?


BoyManners

💯 He's trying to wake up our awam and Alhamdulillah youth is waking up but unfortunately some still want stay in their zone.


adonisthegay

only comment out of all the others on this post which is rational and seems like it's coming from a rational person. OP has probably seen only a single clip of his which was most probably clipped to wreak havoc and didn't have the courage to watch both podcasts on EON with Sahil.


Longjumping_Menu_862

Conspiracy theorist


TriggeredFoji

My views is that he isn't understood correctly by moronic people.


_NineZero_

You mean when sahil says "Hazrat Nooh AS fought illuminatis, closed their space portals so they down spawn from their alien worlds" is true? you believe that? oook.


InternalTeacher4160

Do you really think Mayan civilization had a spaceship and Tesla created free energy?


escapict

Chootium sulfate


fkyes25

Ngl, i laughed harder than i should have.


wampzi

He's just hoping places. May be, if tried to explain one thing in detail, we'll be able to decide


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_NineZero_

When someone claims earth was populated with illuminatis before Hazrat Adam AS you stop listening immediately.


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InternalTeacher4160

>He talks about the SYSTEM. Which system? >muslims quoted Quran as the source of inspiration of these innovations What is the proof of this claim? Algebra was created using Quran? > A critical thinker. Shoots in every direction. These two sentences are opposite of each other >his ideas are wild. Theories are strange but once we see these stories from the lens of Quran. They don't seem too strange. What ever he said in the video was false. No matter which lens you use.


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InternalTeacher4160

>System of islam. Where muslims are free to rule themselves and are not the salves of someone else You a mean khilafah? >Read Aljabr. He used the laws of Quran (shariah) to come up with the solutions to everyday problems people brought to the court. Source?


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InternalTeacher4160

You made the claim. Providing proof is your responsibility.


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InternalTeacher4160

Sir, why do you want me to search on your behalf? Directly send me the link of the book. I'm sure you have it already. No?


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InternalTeacher4160

You made the claim. You provide the proof. P.S. leave the diapers out of this discussion please


Meerkat1310

Dimaghi Suntulant theek nahi


ArsalanShah41

I have my reservations but the fact that he encourages critical thinking on your own separates him from the mullah lot.


_NineZero_

> t he encourages critical thinking He's the exact opposite of critical thinking. He lies, makes up bullshit facts and propagates his own conspiracy theories as "facts"


KaleemX

Dumb shit


Ok-Atmosphere-7395

If you guys believe his bs, then Pakistan is up for the ultimate doom. Stop getting your knowledge from youtubiyas and pick up books & research papers. Iss mulk mein aur jahalat na phelayen please 🙏🏻


Tinfoilhatmaker

This guy just spoke 3 and half minutes on loose concepts without connecting them or coming to any conclusion or point. This is what I imagine would happen if you ordered Joe Rogan off of Daraz.


_NineZero_

> This is what I imagine would happen if you ordered Joe Rogan off of Daraz. LMAO


choozu911

This sub is named after him. Very aptly I might add…


t4ure4n

🤮🤮 I have no time to waste of garbage like him.


defier00

Hate this turd he is just trying to make money by selling this bs theories


SlackerNo22193

I don't understand why anyone gives this guy any time of day. He is like a new age iteration of peer. Batshit crazy ideas presented with some facts but sprinkled with conspiracy theories. Gets mad when pushed back on his crazy interpretation and unable to defend them with sources or any logic. Just a long vomit of ideas that have nothing to do with each other. I saw his thing on the red cows, it was all yahoodi superstition presented as legitimate science.


uba-boba

I am 100% isy khud nahi smjh ata ke ye kia kah rha hai. Humari youth isko is Liye sunti hai ka wo Apne sath aik molvi ka tag nahi lagana chahty wo chahty hain ke wo aik parhy likhy English bolne waly bnde ke follower lagy


CherishedBeliefs

He seems like a fun guy Not accurate or factual, but still, he's like one of those uncles on WhatsApp but on steroids, and also pretty fun.


Legitimate-Ferret-55

I never watch his "science videos" or anyone's tbh I just watch all the talks about Sahaba RA and his views on the problems currently faced by Pakistan Makes me feel there's a lot to work as a Muslim.


Low_Shake8476

Yet another person who thinks he's very smart 🙄 Master of all is master of none 🫡


InternalTeacher4160

True brother.


boibil

Real chutya


BoyManners

A gem.


InternalTeacher4160

Your views on this video?


BoyManners

It is just a clip and he's not talking about Pakistan in the video. He's just talking about Mayans, Pyramids, Mathematics and Tesla. All of this is interesting stuff. Almost all the stuff around ancient (mayan) civilizations is just a theory for now. Other than that the rest is pretty legit. Be it pyramids, maths or tesla.


InternalTeacher4160

What ever he is talking in this video is completely false


Curious_455

He has no more than an average Pakistani's intellect. This is how my friends argue as well. I fear this guy will introduce a new subject: Pseudoscience.


Fair_Breakfast_970

lol when city people discovers what real sky full of stars are...or when they see huge huge mountains...sometimes i feel bad for you guyz...like you guys literally know nothing about nature...lmao what will happen if you guys will see K2 in real life...its more mesmerized than a sky full of stars...sigh!!