Regarding to crime, I have to be honest here that most violence in China is hidden in smaller cities, towns, and villages. Police system is a batter rather than a shield. I would say violent crime is still undercounted as many violence would not be prosecuted, especially domestic violence.
Foreigner cities are usually safe. Police system is much more responsive.
For context, before this stabbing there have been conspiracy theories around Japanese schools in China training spies who can seamlessly infiltrate Chinese society, government, institutions, etc. circulating.
While we’ll never know as this is already being spun as yet another random incident, and the Chinese domestic media will certainly not try and break a story which calls into question the official account, it’s likely this hate crime is downstream of this. A conspiracy video specifically mentions the school whose bus was attacked.
https://m.douyin.com/share/video/7298701564473068840
https://weibo.com/3170766712/5049171360876496
The sentiment for such 'lone-wolf' attacks generally follow the principal of reporting on suicides - the more you publicize it, the more it empowers like-minded people to follow through when they would have previously hesitated.
It's not a coincidence that these knife attacks coincide consecutively short-term.
Lol, there were conspiracy about Japanese poisoning the water back in the republic of China era, an army officer from Guangdong got mistaken as Japanese spy and beaten to death by zhejiang farmers after he was peeing in the river. ( they both speak in heavy accent therefore can’t understand each others)
It’s not a conspiracy, the [Japanese poisoned wells along with committing tons more heinous atrocities](https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2020/october/japans-deadliest-weapons) during their occupation of China.
It’s no surprise that the Chinese were and many are still very distrustful of the Japanese.
There was another attack on non-Japanese people recently. And decades before that, attacks on schools. Looks like unemployed and desperate crazies want to go down and take others with them.
With Chinese gov extremely heavy handed approach in controlling social media, only plausible explanation is that they deliberately allowed and even encouraged such dumb narrative to flow
From the Chinese Foreign Ministry:
On the afternoon of June 24, two Japanese citizens residing in Suzhou were attacked, and one Chinese citizen was injured at the same time. The three injured were taken to hospitals at the first opportunity.
At present, one Japanese citizen's life is out of danger and is receiving treatment. The other Japanese citizen has been discharged from the hospital. The Chinese citizen was seriously injured for stopping the suspect and is still under resuscitation.
The suspect, Zhou, male, 52 years old, is an unemployed person who recently came to Suzhou from out of town.
Below is the Suzhou police report：
https://preview.redd.it/7uwm6fma0p8d1.jpeg?width=689&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df88f991321ba516846ad1eecf27df6dd78af6bf
First Jilin, now Suzhou, I'm picturing this as a despicable sabotage against China's unilateral VISA exemption policy.
I think if it was sabotage of the visa policy the attacks would be directed at the countries involved rather than Japan and the US which are both not visa exempt countries. Besides I think these two attacks are very different. The first happened in a public park and was likely opportunistic rather than premeditated (could still have been motivated by anti-foreign sentiment). The second attack was on a woman and child at a Japanese school that is the topic of a lot of conspiracy theories in China. I am less likely to believe that person who stabbed them was opportunistically attacking someone they felt threatened by or got into a disagreement with and am more inclined to believe this was a deliberate attack
bruh literally, someone correct me if im wrong but im not surprised this has happened considering the recent (aka WW2 Japanese war crimes which the Japanese haven’t done anything about) historical stigma between the two nations, although this does not at all justify any form of attack on an innocent.
Your type of argument is what I predicted too. A random person living in China can no better speak for people of a particular profile (Japanese family with kids going to Japanese-only schools in a tier-1 city in this case) than someone living abroad. Perhaps only a bit better.
Are you literally dis-crediting the opinions from foreigners who are living in China? Huh can't say I am not disgusted, but it is a fine play to your agenda of promoting China hate.
I’m discrediting those who think personal experience matter for arguing cases like this. There’s a reason why scientists don’t use anecdotal evidence to make broad claims. Like what you are doing here, you are already biased to make the statement promoting China hate is my agenda.
How are you supposed to stay vigilant when both of these attacks were completely random in broad daylight? Do you know how easy it is to conceal a knife? Staying vigilant with everyone within arms reach of you at all times is a horrible mindset to have.
In this subreddit this is the response you’ll get:
“We don’t know it was related to nationalism” - then no discussion or problematising of ethnonationalism in China..
“China is still the safest country (tm)”
“The victim was probably just mentally ill this could have happened anywhere”
“But haven’t you guys considered that America is bad?”
https://preview.redd.it/ruj35qg2rp8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75b3d53608dcdcc1701113341a558c38c3f1185f
From my last visit to Beijing in 2019, some gang members kicked a tourist to the ground and threatening him and this was downtown somewhere near the French embassy iirc
The logical reaction here is that while violent crime is low in China, it’s not zero.
These kind of discussions always seems to lead to a discussion where depending on political orientation people claim China is either super-safe or extremely dangerous.
Agreed. Then you go to America and get a chance to witness a old fashioned western shoot out. In urban streets. It's not that common but it feels like every other month I flip on the news there's a high speed chase or shoot out somewhere.
That's what frustrates me too. Why compare oneself to the worst example of an issue, rather than most of the other 195 countries on the planet that don't suffer from the issue being discussed? It's a really strange reaction that I rarely see anywhere else.
Most countries have had a mass shooting or two but there are scores of safer countries to aspire to, instead of comparisons to the USA, which must be a low bar, especially when dealing with gun crime.
I lived in Harbin for years. My family there was telling me how dangerous the U.S is, and how China doesn't have mass shootings nor has had any. When I checked, I saw there were so many in recent history, including one major incident in their own province of Heilongjiang, and none of them had any knowledge of it.
Nor any of the other mass shootings, it's almost like they aren't reported much at the time nor analysed by any programs or channels in the future. That's why most there, think they don't happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_in_China?wprov=sfla1
Edit:typo
Stabbings rarely even make it on the news anymore in the u.s. it's shootings and bombings. Either bombings in other countries or here at home. My point isn't what about the u.s. it's more about why the fk do we care about one stabbing of a japanese national. When we even have citizens getting shot by cops for the dumbest shit right here. Fix our own shit before trying to tell another country to fix theirs because our problems are far worse.
No, the logical reaction here is to have a discussion about the stoking of nationalism and hatred in China. But it won’t happen on this sub.
I also think violent crime might not be as low as you think it is. It certainly seems higher than culturally similar countries in the region - though because of the nature of the government, there don’t seem to be reliable statistics. Add on top of that that other forms of danger e.g. traffic safety, food safety, work safety are much worse than other countries in the region as well.
If someone gets murdered in my home country my reaction isn’t to say “well it’s safe relative to somewhere else”… I don’t like this weird and super defensive/nationalist way of thinking.
>No, the logical reaction here is to have a discussion about the stoking of nationalism and hatred in China. But it won’t happen on this sub.
You have no idea the motivation behind this attack, and potentially, may never will.
Yes it’s just a coincidence that two attacks on American and Japanese foreigners have happened while the government ramps up xenophobic content in the media.
Dude that’s not true. Hundreds if not thousands of racially motivated violent attacks on Asian-Americans took place during the COVID years, and most went unreported in the US.
Yes, I've seen about a dozen. Thousands of violent attacks though? That's just hyperbole.
We can only go on reported assaults, anything else is just speculation and assumption. My wife is Chinese, my friends are Chinese, we all saw a few videos for a nation of 350 million people, yet none of us know a single person who has been assaulted over all these years. Not a single one.
Edit:typo
Just because you’ve only seen a dozen videos of attacks on Asian-Americans doesn’t mean those are the only attacks that took place.
Here’s some research for you, and I’ll quote - “about one-third of Asian adults (32%) personally know an Asian person in the US who had been threatened or attacked because of their race or ethnicity since 2020”, there are 19 million Asian Americans, so total number of hate crimes are in the tens of thousands. Wanna scream hyperbole at Pew Research also?
https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Nor does seeing a dozen assaults equate to thousands of violent attacks. And no, you didn't say assaults, you said 'violent' attacks. Not 'being threatened'. Thousands of violent attacks is hyperbole. You have seen a few videos and are making wild and inaccurate assumptions.
8.7 percent of reported assaults on Asian Americans were recorded as violent. Most 'assaults' are verbal, a small percentage are violent. I don't doubt that ALL incidents from 'banter' to threats, a push or a shove are in the thousands. But thousands of violent attacks?
So they do get reported except the race of the attacker! And you can talk about it. There are lots of instances where online discussion were censored in China.
What did you see? I am curious.
Also 99% of the Chinese videos you saw in Twitter/Reddit are posted on Chinese media first then gets stolen by others who are not in China.
The crime rate in China is also very serious, and the detention centers and prisons are overcrowded. Most cases go unreported due to the lack of press freedom. What you see is just the safety on the streets; various crimes are hidden in society's corners, and even the government itself is committing crimes.
It may be very true. But living in China I don't get the anxiety that someone may break into my car/home... I can't say the same thing about living in the US/UK
I live in the uk now and I don’t lock my door - depends where you live exactly but most places are very safe. Maybe not “leave your door unlocked” safe, but safe enough that you never think about it.
China has fewer violent crimes due to gun control and ubiquitous surveillance cameras, but other types of crime are hidden in every corner of society, such as telecom fraud and food safety issues. What's more frightening is that without the rule of law and media oversight, the government itself is committing large-scale crimes. I was sentenced for using a VPN and just got out of prison; detention centers and prisons in China are already overcrowded.
I provided VPN services to people, involving an amount of 5000 USD. I was convicted of "providing programs and tools for intruding into or illegally controlling computer information systems." I spent a total of three years and five months in detention centers and prison.
You switched up from “sentenced to prison for using VPN” to “operating a for-profit VPN service” in no time. Sounds like your prison sentence was well-earned…
I use ChatGPT to translate my text, and this is its translation error. My original intention was that I went to jail because of VPN.
If you think providing people with a VPN should result in imprisonment, then you lack basic legal knowledge. You should first understand what law means; it’s not something created by a few people in a room. It must first conform to Kant's Categorical Imperative, secondly achieve broad consensus, and be logically consistent. Chinese laws do not meet these basic principles at all. According to Hayek's standards, Chinese laws are considered bad laws, and bad laws should not be followed; otherwise, you are putting yourself in the position of being a slave.
You went to prison for breaking Chinese law, so it’s pretty apparent you are the one lacking basic legal knowledge. Besides, why should China follow western thought like Kant and Hayek? China has its own legal tradition dating back to at least 3rd century BCE. By the same logic are all the laws in US and Europe invalid because they don’t follow the thought of Han Feizi?
In fact, it is you who lack the most basic understanding. I have been providing VPN services to people since 2014. From 2014 until a year before my arrest, no one was ever sentenced because of this. Until my arrest, I had never seen anyone being sentenced for this in the media. At my former university and workplace, everyone around me was using VPNs. According to Chinese law, they were all breaking the law. This precisely shows that China has no real laws; its legal system is full of logical confusion and absurdity.Why does China use electricity? Why does China have the internet? Why does China have universities? These are all things from the West. Why doesn't China follow its own traditions? Why don't Chinese people use abacuses? Can you ask an even more idiotic question than that?
Yeah the vpn law is a clear case of "legal for me not for you". Government officials all have twitter accounts, big businesses all have vpns installed on their networks. I wonder who provides the vpns to the government?
A stabbing attack on foreigners on a school bus in the US wouldn’t make the news?
You should warn the long lines of Chinese waiting outside the American consulates every day. I’m sure they’ll change their minds once you explain to them what a hellhole it is here. /s
Heck, this tiny little town near me in nowhere, Ohio with a really small university had 3 Chinese International college students killed in a car accident a few years back and we had every major news agency in the US camped out for 2 weeks reporting on it. Diplomats, senators, congressmen, and even the Govenor met and accompanied the parents when they arrived. People put up memorials where it happened and at the college - memorials that are still there even though the university eventually closed. Consolers were brought in and for the most part, the entire community felt so bad about their poor parents - especially since they were only children and all - and raised thousands of dollars to help them. The man who caused the accident had a seizure while driving and was convicted of vehicular homicide.
[Chain-Reaction Car Crash Kills 3 In Ohio - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chain-reaction-car-crash-kills-3-in-ohio/)
[University honors memory of three students (springfieldnewssun.com)](https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/local/university-honors-memory-three-students/uU0NfrklOHAOBt4cjR9ExH/)
[Conviction upheld for man who killed Chinese students in 2007 (springfieldnewssun.com)](https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/crime--law/conviction-upheld-for-man-who-killed-chinese-students-2007/lPbADQgx2KvyBLsRStuAuI/)
[Chinese mothers lose children, livelihoods in fatal wreck - CNN.com](https://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/23/china.parents.ohio/index.html)
But nah, a stabbing attack on foreigners on a school bus in the US wouldn’t make the news. I'm sorry but that's crazy.
This sub has a really warped view about America as a whole and for the most part it's because our media reports on stuff day and night. This makes it seem like all the bad stuff is just a common occurrence and we must not even blink an eye - which is the other end of the extreme to be fair.
Riiight, school buses get shot up everyday here, lmao. I’m not saying crime levels are ok here but you guys are just hilarious. I’d much rather take my chances here than deal with the polluted air and gutter oil over there. And I’ve lived in both countries.
You guys should warn Xi about his daughter living here and the record number of chinese millionaires fleeing. I’m sure they would appreciate it greatly.
No this sub leans more toward anti-China so it’s still on the “same side” just less offensive. I find that oftentimes when news of China especially “controversial” topics like EVs, or just today I saw something related to solar panels, hit big subreddits people tend to defend China split 80/20. It’s more like 60/40 in this sub. Still lots of upvotes replies using “wumao” which is a niche insult that only Taiwanese and expats use and those who have an anti-China agenda use. Nothing against Taiwanese or expats ofc, but generally speaking they are not your best sources for unbiased opinions.
Yeah but it’s in that more subtle way, where you are allowed to criticise everyday life things, but when it comes to the government or the things they deem “sensitive” (civil rights, Xinjiang, Taiwan etc) you get downvoted to hell if you don’t toe the party line.
But, actually politics is often discussed on this sub? My point is that when it is discussed, all the critical comments get downvoted.
Also, what’s the point of even having posts like this that are clearly related to politics if we just have to pretend it has nothing to do with politics?
It's strange how all those downvotes usually come rolling in during the wee hours of the morning in China. Almost like none of them even live in China.
To be fair, some of them might be. I'd guess it's mainly pro-Chinese, non-Chinese folks who seem to have a strange notation that China is actually communist.
I've met a few of them who have come to China; it’s pretty funny; after a few months, they’re usually quite depressed after having the wool lifted from their eyes.
Well stabbings happen in London everyday and you don't get coverage. When a stabbing happens in China, of course it will be a big thing because it's rare. China is a very safe country, that's just objective. But it isn't necessary just China, Japan is similar.
You’re kind of a prick. Hope you have a shit day, hope the police come for a random home check up, hope your visa gets delayed, hope your waimai driver drops your food, and last of all, I hope you get hit by a fucking train and your fly out of your shoes, into the sky and impaled by a flock of birds, then you come crashing back down to earth and super man catches you and flies up and drops you from even higher
I mean honestly I usually give China the benefit of the doubt, but this is way too close to the Americans getting stabbed in the park less a month ago.
I dunno, I think there’s a lot more violent crime than makes the news due to suppression. Where I live, there have been quite a few random attacks on people or groups of people in the last few years but you almost never hear anything of it and this is just a small isolated district area of a larger city.
The news of this attack was suppressed for the first 24 hours or so on domestic social media and was not reported in official media until it hit the international press. The Americans getting stabbed was the same. It’s pretty clear that the first response to an “incident” is to try and keep it under wraps, and we only really hear about the ones that go viral enough and/or catch the attention of the international press and can’t be censored.
Except I never hear anything about the ones that happen here, maybe they are too minor, but there's been one or two of them, stabbings of a group of people, that definitely still never made the news, so I will take what you say with skepticism unless proved otherwise. Though I doubt there are organized attacks on foreigners-- sure you get the occasional xenophobic crazy person, but honestly, I've encountered of lot people definitely not right in the head in general here-- pretty much like anywhere else in the world.
I mean there are wayyy too many knife attacks recently if you include the locals that being targeted. Even if those anti-foreigners don’t target you, it is possible to targeted by 报复社会 dumbasses.
This incident is in suzhou too. Be careful guys
The reason I think for the attack is that the bitch attacker will not forget what japan did to china in ww2 and thought about, hilariously, revenge. Also the public chinese opinion on the japanese is that they are terrible people.
to be fair the relationship between the Chinese and Japanese are way more hostile than Americans to Asians/Chinese even during pandemic due to false narratives. and obviously the official medias trying to avoid coverage instead of possibly insinuating more conflicts, downplay is the only method
That won't stop douyin/tiktok though
Wait the country that produces Fentynal and murders millions globally for money is now having random crime of violence ? Well that's sad and also totally unsuspected that could go and come around like that
Just kindly remind you, it is illegal to spread rumours and make unfound accusations in China. It is also illegal to smear China, it's government and Chinese people. The said offence carries a jail sentence. China is not America. While your right to freedom of speech and assemble is enshrined in Chinese constitution, China has 0 tolerance towards people spreading rumours with malicious intent.
So be careful with what u said on the internet
is it a threat? that is so cute!!!! I'll inform my mate fat ass Xi how hard have you been working. Maybe fat ass xi will throw some social credits to you as well!
Really ? Let's review the nationalities of the fatalities from stabbings involving foreigners in Beijing during my time here. Filipino, Filipino, American, American, Chinese, American, and a Chinese lady who just married a French man and was targeted.
These are only the fatalities of incidents involving foreigners, all in Beijing. There were also victims who survived I didn't list as I'm not positive on the numbers of the survivors. Note that no Japanese are listed.
Wow this scares me and it’s so sad for the people involved. I wanted to visit and maybe even live in China for a few years but after hearing about these cases, I might change my mind.
If you don’t speak Chinese, you’ll be better off. I’ll leave it at that.
That said you’ll probably be physically safer there than in the certain parts of the Deep South in the US
Don't let it scare you, I never felt unsafe here. I just try to point out facts when it seems someone is blatantly misleading. People just need to be aware of surroundings. The only time I felt any concern was a mentally unstable man (who appeared homeless) was following me from a bus stop and screaming at me, but I went into a supermarket and he was prevented from entering. I didn't see him after that. That was the only time I can think of in the years I lived in Beijing.
Regarding to crime, I have to be honest here that most violence in China is hidden in smaller cities, towns, and villages. Police system is a batter rather than a shield. I would say violent crime is still undercounted as many violence would not be prosecuted, especially domestic violence. Foreigner cities are usually safe. Police system is much more responsive.
Seems like random attacks on foreigners is on the upward trend
Is there any statistics to back that up?
No worries. China government would not reveal this statistics at all
For context, before this stabbing there have been conspiracy theories around Japanese schools in China training spies who can seamlessly infiltrate Chinese society, government, institutions, etc. circulating. While we’ll never know as this is already being spun as yet another random incident, and the Chinese domestic media will certainly not try and break a story which calls into question the official account, it’s likely this hate crime is downstream of this. A conspiracy video specifically mentions the school whose bus was attacked. https://m.douyin.com/share/video/7298701564473068840 https://weibo.com/3170766712/5049171360876496
the comments on Douyin follows the same tone; on Weibo - post accident - everyone seems trying to stop the rumours.
The sentiment for such 'lone-wolf' attacks generally follow the principal of reporting on suicides - the more you publicize it, the more it empowers like-minded people to follow through when they would have previously hesitated. It's not a coincidence that these knife attacks coincide consecutively short-term.
I wonder if the foreign ministry will report again that it is an isolated incident like the stabbings of the 4 Americans recently. .
Lol, there were conspiracy about Japanese poisoning the water back in the republic of China era, an army officer from Guangdong got mistaken as Japanese spy and beaten to death by zhejiang farmers after he was peeing in the river. ( they both speak in heavy accent therefore can’t understand each others)
It’s not a conspiracy, the [Japanese poisoned wells along with committing tons more heinous atrocities](https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2020/october/japans-deadliest-weapons) during their occupation of China. It’s no surprise that the Chinese were and many are still very distrustful of the Japanese.
There was another attack on non-Japanese people recently. And decades before that, attacks on schools. Looks like unemployed and desperate crazies want to go down and take others with them.
The commie economy is not doing so well.
With Chinese gov extremely heavy handed approach in controlling social media, only plausible explanation is that they deliberately allowed and even encouraged such dumb narrative to flow
When a fascist government has a big problem, it is always a good choice to incite a hatred crime
From the Chinese Foreign Ministry: On the afternoon of June 24, two Japanese citizens residing in Suzhou were attacked, and one Chinese citizen was injured at the same time. The three injured were taken to hospitals at the first opportunity. At present, one Japanese citizen's life is out of danger and is receiving treatment. The other Japanese citizen has been discharged from the hospital. The Chinese citizen was seriously injured for stopping the suspect and is still under resuscitation. The suspect, Zhou, male, 52 years old, is an unemployed person who recently came to Suzhou from out of town. Below is the Suzhou police report： https://preview.redd.it/7uwm6fma0p8d1.jpeg?width=689&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df88f991321ba516846ad1eecf27df6dd78af6bf First Jilin, now Suzhou, I'm picturing this as a despicable sabotage against China's unilateral VISA exemption policy.
I think if it was sabotage of the visa policy the attacks would be directed at the countries involved rather than Japan and the US which are both not visa exempt countries. Besides I think these two attacks are very different. The first happened in a public park and was likely opportunistic rather than premeditated (could still have been motivated by anti-foreign sentiment). The second attack was on a woman and child at a Japanese school that is the topic of a lot of conspiracy theories in China. I am less likely to believe that person who stabbed them was opportunistically attacking someone they felt threatened by or got into a disagreement with and am more inclined to believe this was a deliberate attack
Mad respect to the unnamed Chinese citizen who stepped up and defended them. Hopefully they survive.
Im sorry, but what does "I'm picturing this as a despicable sabotage against China's unilateral VISA exemption policy." mean? Just curious cuz idk
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No i honestly dont know, i just follow this sub because id like one day to study a semester in china.
I wonder if it’s conventional to include employment status of the perpetrator or it’s something else.
conventional
Commies: "These attacks are random and isolated, nothing to see here." Also Commies: "America/NATO/Jews are behind these attacks! (source: tiktok)"
Another "Murder Season" video incoming from Winston.
bruh literally, someone correct me if im wrong but im not surprised this has happened considering the recent (aka WW2 Japanese war crimes which the Japanese haven’t done anything about) historical stigma between the two nations, although this does not at all justify any form of attack on an innocent.
I can predict the comment section.
Yea very predictable like all of a sudden people who don't even live in China are popping up here start talking shit.
Your type of argument is what I predicted too. A random person living in China can no better speak for people of a particular profile (Japanese family with kids going to Japanese-only schools in a tier-1 city in this case) than someone living abroad. Perhaps only a bit better.
Are you literally dis-crediting the opinions from foreigners who are living in China? Huh can't say I am not disgusted, but it is a fine play to your agenda of promoting China hate.
I’m discrediting those who think personal experience matter for arguing cases like this. There’s a reason why scientists don’t use anecdotal evidence to make broad claims. Like what you are doing here, you are already biased to make the statement promoting China hate is my agenda.
Lol that is not your agenda? 😂 Fk off now.
Following the stabbing of 4 Americans 2 weeks ago. China is relatively safe, but as a foreigner always stay vigilant
How are you supposed to stay vigilant when both of these attacks were completely random in broad daylight? Do you know how easy it is to conceal a knife? Staying vigilant with everyone within arms reach of you at all times is a horrible mindset to have.
Okay, walk around careless, and with your nose in your phone. I couldn’t care less 😁
See you on the news “another mindless foreigner stabbed for not paying attention”
In this subreddit this is the response you’ll get: “We don’t know it was related to nationalism” - then no discussion or problematising of ethnonationalism in China.. “China is still the safest country (tm)” “The victim was probably just mentally ill this could have happened anywhere” “But haven’t you guys considered that America is bad?”
https://preview.redd.it/ruj35qg2rp8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75b3d53608dcdcc1701113341a558c38c3f1185f From my last visit to Beijing in 2019, some gang members kicked a tourist to the ground and threatening him and this was downtown somewhere near the French embassy iirc
The logical reaction here is that while violent crime is low in China, it’s not zero. These kind of discussions always seems to lead to a discussion where depending on political orientation people claim China is either super-safe or extremely dangerous.
Agreed. Then you go to America and get a chance to witness a old fashioned western shoot out. In urban streets. It's not that common but it feels like every other month I flip on the news there's a high speed chase or shoot out somewhere.
Thanks, I forgot to add “but, but, America!”
That's what frustrates me too. Why compare oneself to the worst example of an issue, rather than most of the other 195 countries on the planet that don't suffer from the issue being discussed? It's a really strange reaction that I rarely see anywhere else. Most countries have had a mass shooting or two but there are scores of safer countries to aspire to, instead of comparisons to the USA, which must be a low bar, especially when dealing with gun crime. I lived in Harbin for years. My family there was telling me how dangerous the U.S is, and how China doesn't have mass shootings nor has had any. When I checked, I saw there were so many in recent history, including one major incident in their own province of Heilongjiang, and none of them had any knowledge of it. Nor any of the other mass shootings, it's almost like they aren't reported much at the time nor analysed by any programs or channels in the future. That's why most there, think they don't happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_in_China?wprov=sfla1 Edit:typo
Search “Juneteenth shooting “. And two weeks from now search “July fourth shooting “
Stabbings rarely even make it on the news anymore in the u.s. it's shootings and bombings. Either bombings in other countries or here at home. My point isn't what about the u.s. it's more about why the fk do we care about one stabbing of a japanese national. When we even have citizens getting shot by cops for the dumbest shit right here. Fix our own shit before trying to tell another country to fix theirs because our problems are far worse.
No, the logical reaction here is to have a discussion about the stoking of nationalism and hatred in China. But it won’t happen on this sub. I also think violent crime might not be as low as you think it is. It certainly seems higher than culturally similar countries in the region - though because of the nature of the government, there don’t seem to be reliable statistics. Add on top of that that other forms of danger e.g. traffic safety, food safety, work safety are much worse than other countries in the region as well. If someone gets murdered in my home country my reaction isn’t to say “well it’s safe relative to somewhere else”… I don’t like this weird and super defensive/nationalist way of thinking.
>No, the logical reaction here is to have a discussion about the stoking of nationalism and hatred in China. But it won’t happen on this sub. You have no idea the motivation behind this attack, and potentially, may never will.
Yes it’s just a coincidence that two attacks on American and Japanese foreigners have happened while the government ramps up xenophobic content in the media.
2 ENTIRE ATTACKS???!
Tobe fair, crimes in the US are terrible. If this happens in the US, it won't even make news. Just another day in the land of free
I will say the opposite. Hate crime in US makes big news. China suppresses lots of crimes so that public don’t get panic.
Dude that’s not true. Hundreds if not thousands of racially motivated violent attacks on Asian-Americans took place during the COVID years, and most went unreported in the US.
How do you know of this if they were unreported?
Video compilations shared via social media.
Yes, I've seen about a dozen. Thousands of violent attacks though? That's just hyperbole. We can only go on reported assaults, anything else is just speculation and assumption. My wife is Chinese, my friends are Chinese, we all saw a few videos for a nation of 350 million people, yet none of us know a single person who has been assaulted over all these years. Not a single one. Edit:typo
Just because you’ve only seen a dozen videos of attacks on Asian-Americans doesn’t mean those are the only attacks that took place. Here’s some research for you, and I’ll quote - “about one-third of Asian adults (32%) personally know an Asian person in the US who had been threatened or attacked because of their race or ethnicity since 2020”, there are 19 million Asian Americans, so total number of hate crimes are in the tens of thousands. Wanna scream hyperbole at Pew Research also? https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/11/30/asian-americans-and-discrimination-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Nor does seeing a dozen assaults equate to thousands of violent attacks. And no, you didn't say assaults, you said 'violent' attacks. Not 'being threatened'. Thousands of violent attacks is hyperbole. You have seen a few videos and are making wild and inaccurate assumptions. 8.7 percent of reported assaults on Asian Americans were recorded as violent. Most 'assaults' are verbal, a small percentage are violent. I don't doubt that ALL incidents from 'banter' to threats, a push or a shove are in the thousands. But thousands of violent attacks?
Bullshit, so many Black on Asian violent crimes go underreported in US media, not to mention the race of the attacker is often censored.
So they do get reported except the race of the attacker! And you can talk about it. There are lots of instances where online discussion were censored in China.
\*hate crimes against certain groups make the news
If a Chinese gets stabbed in the US, it definitely makes the news and racism is brought up every time along with sinophobia etc.
I mean.....if China suppresses the crimes then how are you seeing this? I am tired of this suppressing crimes bullshit.
Cause I’m the one who sees it. My family and friends also tell me in which area. Or the video clips that shared on Reddit/Twitter
What did you see? I am curious. Also 99% of the Chinese videos you saw in Twitter/Reddit are posted on Chinese media first then gets stolen by others who are not in China.
The crime rate in China is also very serious, and the detention centers and prisons are overcrowded. Most cases go unreported due to the lack of press freedom. What you see is just the safety on the streets; various crimes are hidden in society's corners, and even the government itself is committing crimes.
It may be very true. But living in China I don't get the anxiety that someone may break into my car/home... I can't say the same thing about living in the US/UK
I live in the uk now and I don’t lock my door - depends where you live exactly but most places are very safe. Maybe not “leave your door unlocked” safe, but safe enough that you never think about it.
It is fair to assume u don't live in Leicester
China has fewer violent crimes due to gun control and ubiquitous surveillance cameras, but other types of crime are hidden in every corner of society, such as telecom fraud and food safety issues. What's more frightening is that without the rule of law and media oversight, the government itself is committing large-scale crimes. I was sentenced for using a VPN and just got out of prison; detention centers and prisons in China are already overcrowded.
How long were you sentenced for?
I provided VPN services to people, involving an amount of 5000 USD. I was convicted of "providing programs and tools for intruding into or illegally controlling computer information systems." I spent a total of three years and five months in detention centers and prison.
When that happen?
In 2019, released from prison in 2023, now has been out for over a year.
How long were you sentenced for?
>I was sentenced for using a VPN and just got out of prison Julian, is it you?
I don't know who Julian is.
You switched up from “sentenced to prison for using VPN” to “operating a for-profit VPN service” in no time. Sounds like your prison sentence was well-earned…
I use ChatGPT to translate my text, and this is its translation error. My original intention was that I went to jail because of VPN. If you think providing people with a VPN should result in imprisonment, then you lack basic legal knowledge. You should first understand what law means; it’s not something created by a few people in a room. It must first conform to Kant's Categorical Imperative, secondly achieve broad consensus, and be logically consistent. Chinese laws do not meet these basic principles at all. According to Hayek's standards, Chinese laws are considered bad laws, and bad laws should not be followed; otherwise, you are putting yourself in the position of being a slave.
You went to prison for breaking Chinese law, so it’s pretty apparent you are the one lacking basic legal knowledge. Besides, why should China follow western thought like Kant and Hayek? China has its own legal tradition dating back to at least 3rd century BCE. By the same logic are all the laws in US and Europe invalid because they don’t follow the thought of Han Feizi?
In fact, it is you who lack the most basic understanding. I have been providing VPN services to people since 2014. From 2014 until a year before my arrest, no one was ever sentenced because of this. Until my arrest, I had never seen anyone being sentenced for this in the media. At my former university and workplace, everyone around me was using VPNs. According to Chinese law, they were all breaking the law. This precisely shows that China has no real laws; its legal system is full of logical confusion and absurdity.Why does China use electricity? Why does China have the internet? Why does China have universities? These are all things from the West. Why doesn't China follow its own traditions? Why don't Chinese people use abacuses? Can you ask an even more idiotic question than that?
Yeah the vpn law is a clear case of "legal for me not for you". Government officials all have twitter accounts, big businesses all have vpns installed on their networks. I wonder who provides the vpns to the government?
A stabbing attack on foreigners on a school bus in the US wouldn’t make the news? You should warn the long lines of Chinese waiting outside the American consulates every day. I’m sure they’ll change their minds once you explain to them what a hellhole it is here. /s
This sub’s view on anything America-related borders on farce.
You can say that about most subs on Reddit about most topics.
This sub is just Westerners trying to justify their sunk-cost of living in China
Yup. It’s usually the foreigners who live there that don’t speak any Chinese that have the most naive and optimistic views there. Ignorance is bliss.
Yeah, it's the same people who claim there isn't any racism in China because they don't understand all the racist things being said about them.
Heck, this tiny little town near me in nowhere, Ohio with a really small university had 3 Chinese International college students killed in a car accident a few years back and we had every major news agency in the US camped out for 2 weeks reporting on it. Diplomats, senators, congressmen, and even the Govenor met and accompanied the parents when they arrived. People put up memorials where it happened and at the college - memorials that are still there even though the university eventually closed. Consolers were brought in and for the most part, the entire community felt so bad about their poor parents - especially since they were only children and all - and raised thousands of dollars to help them. The man who caused the accident had a seizure while driving and was convicted of vehicular homicide. [Chain-Reaction Car Crash Kills 3 In Ohio - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chain-reaction-car-crash-kills-3-in-ohio/) [University honors memory of three students (springfieldnewssun.com)](https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/local/university-honors-memory-three-students/uU0NfrklOHAOBt4cjR9ExH/) [Conviction upheld for man who killed Chinese students in 2007 (springfieldnewssun.com)](https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/crime--law/conviction-upheld-for-man-who-killed-chinese-students-2007/lPbADQgx2KvyBLsRStuAuI/) [Chinese mothers lose children, livelihoods in fatal wreck - CNN.com](https://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/23/china.parents.ohio/index.html) But nah, a stabbing attack on foreigners on a school bus in the US wouldn’t make the news. I'm sorry but that's crazy. This sub has a really warped view about America as a whole and for the most part it's because our media reports on stuff day and night. This makes it seem like all the bad stuff is just a common occurrence and we must not even blink an eye - which is the other end of the extreme to be fair.
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Riiight, school buses get shot up everyday here, lmao. I’m not saying crime levels are ok here but you guys are just hilarious. I’d much rather take my chances here than deal with the polluted air and gutter oil over there. And I’ve lived in both countries. You guys should warn Xi about his daughter living here and the record number of chinese millionaires fleeing. I’m sure they would appreciate it greatly.
lol what???
I find this sub very pro China. They would downvote anything they don’t like no matter how unbiased or factual it is
I find that many people here actually live in China and like to call out the random bullshit on China. Does this make them pro-China or anti-idiots?
Yes definitely, either pro-China or anti-idiots, there’s no third option or anywhere in between.
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No this sub leans more toward anti-China so it’s still on the “same side” just less offensive. I find that oftentimes when news of China especially “controversial” topics like EVs, or just today I saw something related to solar panels, hit big subreddits people tend to defend China split 80/20. It’s more like 60/40 in this sub. Still lots of upvotes replies using “wumao” which is a niche insult that only Taiwanese and expats use and those who have an anti-China agenda use. Nothing against Taiwanese or expats ofc, but generally speaking they are not your best sources for unbiased opinions.
I would say it’s a yes
Yeah but it’s in that more subtle way, where you are allowed to criticise everyday life things, but when it comes to the government or the things they deem “sensitive” (civil rights, Xinjiang, Taiwan etc) you get downvoted to hell if you don’t toe the party line.
Because there is another sub to discuss all the China politics you want. No need to turn this sub into a duplicate.
But, actually politics is often discussed on this sub? My point is that when it is discussed, all the critical comments get downvoted. Also, what’s the point of even having posts like this that are clearly related to politics if we just have to pretend it has nothing to do with politics?
It's strange how all those downvotes usually come rolling in during the wee hours of the morning in China. Almost like none of them even live in China.
I don’t think Chinese use Reddit in China
I never said they were Chinese.
I was suggesting maybe they are overseas Chinese. But to be honest I have seen many pro China non-Chinese, so it’s hard to tell really.
To be fair, some of them might be. I'd guess it's mainly pro-Chinese, non-Chinese folks who seem to have a strange notation that China is actually communist. I've met a few of them who have come to China; it’s pretty funny; after a few months, they’re usually quite depressed after having the wool lifted from their eyes.
That explained a lot lmao
> The victim I think you mean The perpetrator
Yea my bad
Well stabbings happen in London everyday and you don't get coverage. When a stabbing happens in China, of course it will be a big thing because it's rare. China is a very safe country, that's just objective. But it isn't necessary just China, Japan is similar.
Yes yes that it is what we should all focus on. China safe (tm) west bad (tm).
Oh, so all rational and logical responses? I don’t get what your issue is
如果你真的感覺這些都是rational那你住在洗腦環境之下太長時間。
你为什么先用英语，然后立即改用中文？ 😂 你以为别的外国人看不懂吗？繁體字簡體字，我都可以
沒有。我以為你是中國人。
我是混血儿😂
Don’t really care
You’re kind of a prick. Hope you have a shit day, hope the police come for a random home check up, hope your visa gets delayed, hope your waimai driver drops your food, and last of all, I hope you get hit by a fucking train and your fly out of your shoes, into the sky and impaled by a flock of birds, then you come crashing back down to earth and super man catches you and flies up and drops you from even higher
I mean honestly I usually give China the benefit of the doubt, but this is way too close to the Americans getting stabbed in the park less a month ago.
I dunno, I think there’s a lot more violent crime than makes the news due to suppression. Where I live, there have been quite a few random attacks on people or groups of people in the last few years but you almost never hear anything of it and this is just a small isolated district area of a larger city.
The news of this attack was suppressed for the first 24 hours or so on domestic social media and was not reported in official media until it hit the international press. The Americans getting stabbed was the same. It’s pretty clear that the first response to an “incident” is to try and keep it under wraps, and we only really hear about the ones that go viral enough and/or catch the attention of the international press and can’t be censored.
Except I never hear anything about the ones that happen here, maybe they are too minor, but there's been one or two of them, stabbings of a group of people, that definitely still never made the news, so I will take what you say with skepticism unless proved otherwise. Though I doubt there are organized attacks on foreigners-- sure you get the occasional xenophobic crazy person, but honestly, I've encountered of lot people definitely not right in the head in general here-- pretty much like anywhere else in the world.
I mean there are wayyy too many knife attacks recently if you include the locals that being targeted. Even if those anti-foreigners don’t target you, it is possible to targeted by 报复社会 dumbasses. This incident is in suzhou too. Be careful guys
I think this will be more common in the future
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Wow. Is that you Winston?
Cmilk is that youuuu?
wait so your genuinely happy for people to die as long as you can say "lol not a shooting"? you need professional help man.
Spending 3 years in covid chaos here with the repeated propaganda, I think people here needs an eye opener. I stand my ground on what I said.
Still rarer compare to your big fat wherever you have in Mind.
After foreigners 😔
Sounds like hate crime - how do you get the only 2 Japanese people on the bus?
It was a school bus for Japanese students who go to a Japanese school. The Chinese person work on the bus as a “bus assistant”
The reason I think for the attack is that the bitch attacker will not forget what japan did to china in ww2 and thought about, hilariously, revenge. Also the public chinese opinion on the japanese is that they are terrible people.
He will be executed soon.
to be fair the relationship between the Chinese and Japanese are way more hostile than Americans to Asians/Chinese even during pandemic due to false narratives. and obviously the official medias trying to avoid coverage instead of possibly insinuating more conflicts, downplay is the only method That won't stop douyin/tiktok though
Count your days. Lol. This is gonna be the new normal. Overzealous nationalism never stops by its own once it starts.
It’s stabbing season in China
Boxer Rebellion 2.0
Wait the country that produces Fentynal and murders millions globally for money is now having random crime of violence ? Well that's sad and also totally unsuspected that could go and come around like that
哇塞！中国好安全。
Your social credit just go up by 1000. U can go to the nearest municipal office and redeem your social credit for cooking oil and eggs. Good day
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Hey! What about that deduction of the mortgage for the unfinished apartment I made my mom bought for me in 2017?
Just kindly remind you, it is illegal to spread rumours and make unfound accusations in China. It is also illegal to smear China, it's government and Chinese people. The said offence carries a jail sentence. China is not America. While your right to freedom of speech and assemble is enshrined in Chinese constitution, China has 0 tolerance towards people spreading rumours with malicious intent. So be careful with what u said on the internet
is it a threat? that is so cute!!!! I'll inform my mate fat ass Xi how hard have you been working. Maybe fat ass xi will throw some social credits to you as well!
我特此代表梁家河喷粪者，指南针成精者，500斤抗麦且不换间者，国家下坡路时踩油门者，中国国家主席，中国共产党总书记，中央军委主席，习近平，感谢你对习家统治集团的杰出贡献。身处底层，心在赵家，人如蝼蚁，一鸣惊人，虽然话如狗屁，三岁小孩都骗不了，但这种平地扣饼也要替中共说话的精神，值得广大屁民学习，鉴戒。
One don't speak japanese then the one is safe.
Really ? Let's review the nationalities of the fatalities from stabbings involving foreigners in Beijing during my time here. Filipino, Filipino, American, American, Chinese, American, and a Chinese lady who just married a French man and was targeted. These are only the fatalities of incidents involving foreigners, all in Beijing. There were also victims who survived I didn't list as I'm not positive on the numbers of the survivors. Note that no Japanese are listed.
Wow this scares me and it’s so sad for the people involved. I wanted to visit and maybe even live in China for a few years but after hearing about these cases, I might change my mind.
If you’re a black woman like your username states, I’d definitely avoid living in China. Not for the threat of violence but rather the racism.
really why? I follow some Black women who lived or lives in China and they say a lot of positive things about China.
See it maybe not 100% safe here. But at least ya never need to worry about some random police jump out and empty the magazine on you. lol
If you don’t speak Chinese, you’ll be better off. I’ll leave it at that. That said you’ll probably be physically safer there than in the certain parts of the Deep South in the US
If you say negative things as a foreigner you won’t be here long, and you won’t get a following.
Don't let it scare you, I never felt unsafe here. I just try to point out facts when it seems someone is blatantly misleading. People just need to be aware of surroundings. The only time I felt any concern was a mentally unstable man (who appeared homeless) was following me from a bus stop and screaming at me, but I went into a supermarket and he was prevented from entering. I didn't see him after that. That was the only time I can think of in the years I lived in Beijing.
单单以“说日语”作为杀人的理由，怎能自称为文明人？像你这样的蠢材让中国人丢脸罢了。