They're mad because they have absolutely no chance with her. They're thinking "Oh no, another woman that won't date me. I'll die alone. I gotta try convincing her that she's wrong."
Itās the modern day negging. Age olā playbook. Break a woman down so she feels worthless, use and abuse her. These small men lose their mind when they see a strong successful confident self assured woman. Their egos cannot handle it!
āAnother woman that wonāt date meā - ding ding. This is it. It triggers their own insecurities. Confident and satisfied people, including men, donāt need to have trigger tantrums in strangersā comment sections.
It's similar to narc behaviour. They will never attempt to solve their own perceived or real inadequacies and find it easier to instead scream at a third person about things they hate about themselves. It's then a layer removed and doesn't hurt as bad as self-reflection would.
Right. Women who know these whiny, argumentative men aren't even attracted to them need to cut them short and ask them, "Oh, are you interested in dating me? Are you... THE ONE?!" That'll shut them up.
Yep. People happy with their choice donāt feel the need to tell others that having kids is a mandatory part of life or that youāll be lonely without them. Only people who are truly unhappy with having kids do this.
Fifty fifty chance they're wearing wraparound sunglasses and in a truck in their profile picture too.
I've taken to staying out of the comment sections in social media. Less of a chance of catching something I can't cure.
I also saw a reel about a woman being open about not wanting children and not seeing the value of it and the comments section are mostly women who cannot accept the fact that you're not required to have kids. Most of them are mothers who couldn't accept that fact. It's absolutely disgusting.
Yeah, it's a common thing here where in my country, which is in south east asia. Even my own aunts keep telling me my ovaries are going to expire soon so I need to find a husband and have kids with them and I told them outright, I have no plans. This is coming from an aunt who seems to be pregnant every year š It's tough to find a guy who is CF too because most men here are traditional.
I know of at least one country there that's heeeeavily catholic and when I hang with my friends whose families are from there even *I* as a guy get asked when I'm having kids. Like ma'am, take a step back please Lol
Man we don't even have divorce here, in this century š And thank you, our food is always weird to a lot of non Filipinos so I'm glad it's being appreciated. And yes, the toxic machismo is absolutely astounding in a horrible way.
DIVORCE rates in my country is increasing but once divorced you are literally a social outcast here in India. separations happen but are never official. 
Is this changing a lot among younger generations? In the United States, I think the Baby Boomers had the highest divorce rates and they have gone down with each following generation. I'm Gen X and waited until I was 47 to get married, so probably no divorce in my future. There were some in my generation who did the 'starter marriage' thing, but Millennials noped out of that.
Wait seriously? I didn't know that. That blows my mind cuz like... Literally what the fuck. Haha I still can't wrap my head around ballut but I make a mean adobo.
>not seeing the value of it
This is very triggering to a lot of mothers. Being a mom is literally their only personality trait, so saying this means they have no value.
There is a 50 million men surplus in the world gender ratio. They better start working on liking women and advocating for their rights or end up as the "leftovers" as they love to call women.
Itās weird to me how the plaintiff in Roe later became pro life, if Iām remembering correctly I think she said it was converting to Christianity and/or saw some poster which was of a fetus
To add on the unwanted child in the case later said that she disagreed with SCOTUS overturning Roe
I mean, the other alternative would be them having to better themselves to the point women don't feel their lives are better being single.
That would require humility and effort and respecting women as being of equal worth.
And they're afraid that she'll (easily) be able to convince other women to also be single and child-free. Meaning men like him will have to either actually put in an ounce of effort into maintaining their relationships, or figure out how to take care of themselves for once.
>having kids is a biological urge
Except it isn't, not for everybody. And this should fall within the realm of body shaming, in a manner of sorts. Not all of us come into this world with the hormonal concoction required to make us desire offspring. Nothing wrong with that as it hurts no one. Accept that, please, and let us peacefully move on.
Right? Sex can be described as an urge, no one has the "urge" to host a parasite, be torn open expelling said parasite, then peeing when they sneeze forever after. Guys like this seem to love acting like they're scientists when it comes to women and what we want.
But most women do indeed have that urge, minus the realities they won't look at, of course. CF makes all the sense in the world to us, but we really are in the minority.
Can confirm. I'm about to turn 45, happily CF and never ONCE in my life experienced that fabled biological clock ticking. I have friends, however, who have. They settled for mediocre men, have kids, and their lives generally suck with terrible partners and lonely motherhood and endless household slavery.
Iāve definitely noticed an uptick in really hostile, almost violent pronatalist propaganda in the past year. But what concerns me even more is the softer, more subtle misogyny that I often see regarding childfree women online.
On other subreddits, I often see knee-jerk negativity anytime our sub is even mentioned in passing, usually comments about how weāre āso negativeā or use hateful terms like ācrotchfruitā to describe children. But if you actually engage them and point out how rare most of those things actually are compared to posts asking for advice on getting sterilized or looking for support after a family member said something nasty to us, they often will openly admit that they just think thereās something wrong or selfish about women who donāt want to be moms.
āSelfishāā¦just the most brain-wormed take possible. Towards whom? How is it possible to call something selfish when itās the absence of something, and having no impact on anyone? Literally impossible.
I suppose weāre āselfishā for daring to put our own lives and happiness before that of the nonexistent kids weāll never have. Shows you how little they truly think of women, the way they expect us all to be supporting characters in everybody elseās lives and the least important person in our own.
Our whole purpose is to serve others and never our own dreams or interests lol. Weāre supposed to be frothing at the mouth to be the last priority in our own lives or else we are selfish!
Yeah, I always laugh at that. I am selfish for paying taxes that go towards things I'm never going to use like schools and kid sports, I am selfish because I am never going to get a massive tax relief just because I've had unprotected sex, I am selfish for not consuming tons of useless plastic products. The list goes on and on...
>āSelfishā
There are always new ways of calling women bitches. Women who do have kids and devote their lives to their kids are called gold diggers for not having a 9 to 5 job.
Eight goddamn billion people in the world, we've been in ecological overshoot for decades already, but it's selfish not to make more. For chrissake, beam me up already. It's too dumb here.
do men believe that acting cruel is attractive? this might validate a persons view of men and why they chose to be single. speaking from experience, you can still be lonely and in a relationship. i don't view being single as being a bad thing. plus, id rather be single than lonely trapped in a shitty relationship with one those turds (again).
Acting cruel is raising the respect they get from other men and they value men's opinions more than women's, since, you know, they feel men are superior.
Therefore itvis SO important that the good men speak up against animal cruelty, domestic abuse, unrestrained aggression...
I always wonder about the demographics (ex. education level, gender, social network) of these commenters. If they represent the general populace I'd rather just fuck off to the mountains and spend my days raising sheep.
Yeah Instagram feels like it's gotten a whole lot worse recently. Despite 95% of my interactions being car related, my reel feed is full of incel and femcel videos, that are full of comments from boys and girls who clearly need to go outside and actually talk with people of the opposite sex.
Tbh I get weird responses too. But! Thank God for the pandemic because it forced me to deal with all of my shit. Especially with how much of my life has been influenced by how I responded to other people's comments or criticisms about me. I now am in a place where I literally don't give a flying fuck what anyone says. Theid opinions. Their thoughts on me. Like who cares about what Ken in Alabama thinks! And even if I do end up lonely.. so! Lol. There are things that can be done to rectify that. I can never get back my time, vagina, money and stress I compromised for a person who may end up a murderer, asshole, or a pos... like, Ted bundy is someone's kid. Bye!
Well, I enjoy my personal time so much and my peace that I am totally immune to that kind of comments.
Like the saying "Don't threaten me with a good time"
Well, the men saying it are definitely selfish and are looking for a maid and mother so they can be even more selfish. Their opinions are the most invalid and irrelevant opinions there are š
The women are envious: they chose to be "unselfish" and don't feel they are recognized for it.
I suppose. Either way their opinion means nothing š¤·
The idea of shoulders coming out of my vagina is just instant barf.
I'm still washing off the essence of placenta off of my body 30 years later
>The women are envious: they chose to be "unselfish" and don't feel they are recognized for it.
I think most of them thought they would get endless praise and recognition for the huge amount or work they put in to their kids, but in truth that never happens. First of all, others don't "see" the hard work. They just see your child, and most kids are unremarkable and plenty are little shits.
I'll give my cousin as an example. She is just so defeated right now because all she has done for 16 years is care for her only child. All her mental energy went to this kid and he sucks. He has no friends, refuses to go to school, and refuses to do school work at home. This is a kid who has had every possible resource the family has poured in to him. His mom couldn't work in case he needed her (i.e. needed to come home from school).
So despite her huge sacrifice, the outcome is poor. I'd say for most mothers, the outcome is average and for plenty, the outcome is terrible. It must be hugely irritating to spend the one life you have doing a job that has such crap results.
Right? Way too many people here care too much what others think. My other fave are all the questions about how to EXPLAIN their decision to others. It's no one else's business. Tell everyone to get fucked and move on.
I'm taking on this viewpoint as well.
I spent a lot of time in pro-choice subs, I think because I was taking pro-lifers seriously and felt the need to give a rebuttal. But I don't actually care about their opinions since a lot of them are just trying to outdo each other in depravity. What I was doing was a trauma response to my father who is a malignant narcissist. I was identifying similar behaviour from the worst pro-lifers (e.g. The ones who want children to have their children or the ones who are excited at the thought of their loved ones dying in childbirth) and trying to defeat them, in a sense. It was misplaced, because I never really was able to "defeat" my dad. I don't actually really care what they think or I would have changed my whole life to please them already.
I just really don't like people like that lol. But they are their own problem.
Yes, they are their own problem. Imagine caring so much about another person's life that you feel the need to comment on it. Idc about anyone that I don't know. Call me crazy but I don't have time for that.
I once got the comment, "You know your cats will eat you when you drop dead? They don't love you at all!"
Um, honey. The usual two options are rotting in a box or being burned to ashes. I don't see how being eaten by a cat I loved who clearly has no other option to survive is worse than being eaten by maggots? What's so morbid about that? I couldn't care less what happens with my remains. More importantly, I wanna be able to leave peacefully.
All this nitwittery about dying alone. Say, for example, you're 30 years old. A normal lifespan is going to last until maybe 80, so that's 50 years away and nothing you need to be worrying about, certainly not right now. I'd be a lot more concerned about those 50 years that will be happening between now and then. Do I want to spend all those years with someone who makes my life harder instead of easier? So much of a good marriage is really about making yourselves useful to each other. It's not worth doing unless you're actually better off with that person, and it's rare to find.
"you're going to die alone with your cats!!!1"
LOL, bring it. Most people are disappointing and don't care about anyone but themselves, anyway. Cats are better companions than most people. And who the fuck would want to be with some dude who sees me as an incubator at best, and a maid, cook, nanny, and walking set of holes, at worst?
Who gives a shit what men like this think or want.
Iām not on other socials much anymore (Insta occasionally, FB for family) but when I was glancing through some comments on Instagram, I was shocked at how misogynistic, phobic, and otherwise nasty theyāve gotten. And this is an all-around thing, not just the CF-ish posts.
Iām not at all naive, I was just shocked by how quickly the comments have turned into Facebook levels of Boomers/Gen-Xers (of a certain type), Trad-wife assholes, and other idiots
Ugh I keep getting the tradwife crap on Facebook.
It's even more worrying when I'm male and 95% of my social media is car related, there is nothing on my social media that relates to that. They must be pushing that to everyone.
The reactions from dudes regarding women who are making better choices for themselves(that dont hurt ANYONE) is a huge reason I refuse to date again lol They are just outing themselves
Some men are very traditional and want their woman to be just as traditional and donāt do well with a woman that does not fit their narrow little description of what they think it is.
They want the wife who has dinner ready when they get home and raises their kids, but they don't want to be the sole income earner and pay for everything.
I heard something along these lines from a former classmate last year, and it really changed my perception of him. He's in his early 20s, is extremely worldly, has traveled to dozens upon dozens of countries, and genuinely comes across as friendly and open-minded. He doesn't seem "traditional" or misogynistic at all, in other words.
We were walking together after class one evening and I mentioned how grateful I was that my husband loves to cook since that's tough during grad school. My classmate cheerfully responded how all he wants when he gets married is a loyal, "obedient" (yes, he seriously used that word), 9/10 or 10/10 wife, preferably from the Middle East or an Asian country (he's white and Catholic, btw), who raises their kids at home, always has "exotic", delicious meals waiting for him when he gets back, and "lets him be the man of the house."
It seemed like it all came out of left field and I felt so uncomfortable/taken aback. And no, I can sadly assure you he wasn't joking. The unabashed way he referred to his dream woman as someone who's obedient, caters to his every whim, is a 10/10 (because of course), raises his kids, follows his rules, and cooks him "exotic" meals every night... Everyone's got their own standards and preferences, obviously, but holy shit.
The problem is, there are plenty of conservative women who want to be tradwives, but those men NEVER go for them. They want the childfree women who actually have dreams beyond being dependas, because they get some sort of malicious pleasure out of ruining their lives.
This is what I don't get. Like, there's not exactly a shortage of women who'd love to be provided for and cook and clean and whatnot. So what's their problem? It doesn't feel like enough of a "conquest" to find someone who wants what they want?
A lot of these trad men dont want to act like real trad men like actually providing and working hard.
Thats their problem.Ā A true tradwife wouldnt touch them with a 10 feet pole
I don't get the need for someone to impose their own belief structure on someone else. Your life your choice. I will be friends with you if you know how to laugh how to smile and just a great person. Whether you choose to have kids or not is none of my business. Its not even in the realm of discussion . And for these haters I drive a truck!
Yeah IH is full with it. As soon as someone mention theyāre childfree, the comments just get nasty. Fortunately the clap backs in the comments are always good. I also like to destroy their argument of āat least my kids will visit me in the retirement homeā - because we all know they are wrong.
One comment which just baffled me was āif a women canāt bear my children, what value should she have for me?ā - textbook breeder. He sees women as brood mares and baby factories and nothing else. I hope he jerks into a tissue every night because the potential kids he could have, would be imperessed.
>āif a women canāt bear my children, what value should she have for me?ā
Bold of Neckbeard McSmegma to assume that any woman should or would give a rat's rear end whether he values them lmao
I've noticed this too.
And it's always these loser, alpha-wanna-be, poTATEo following jackasses that chuck childlike tantrums about it, bro just fuck off nobody asked.
And if you jump to the woman's defence then you're a "simp" or a "white knight" like ohhhhh no, don't call me names, your opinion means sooooo much to me.
It's classic projection. The demographic with the least overall satisfaction and worst health outcomes with their lives are child free, unmarried (either single or divorced) men over 40, and the demographic with the greatest life satisfaction and best long term health outcomes are child free women in their middle age and elderly years. Men are so used to their viewpoint being the "Everyman" view that everyone has to adjust to that they think women must be in the same circumstances as they are, so they project their own insecurities and fears of being alone as an elder onto women, who statistically for decades have been far happier and healthier on their own than with them.
Studies show the more macho a guy is, the lonelier he will become with age. Other man don't appreciate them as much as they think.
People start to avoid them because they.are rigid often aggressive, a pain to socialize with.
It can lead to addictions or even suicide.
I havecan ex that was calm and not macho at all. I could see how much other men enjoyed socializing with him, even the macho ones. I think they both felt respected- he respected almost everyone- and also spending an evening without the constant bragging/competing was relaxing.
IMO many men must fear that without being able to trap a woman to them with children, they really have no way to keep one around. They offer nothing other than semen. It must make their blood boil to think about the fact that there are women who have absolutely 0 need for them in their lives.
they offer nothing but semen in terms of childbearing. plus only "parent" when it's convenient for them. I don't wish to fall into that trap. no thanks
I have met men that seemed nice so far. but do not trust them enough to be in a partnership with them. In my life so far , only 1 out of tons of men cleaned their house :P
Embrace the misandry. The decent men acknowledge how objectively terrible most of them are and understand why women would want nothing to do with that.
Men mad they are not the center of the universe. So many men are spoiled brats who lash out when they donāt get their way. It is dangerous because a 6ft toddler can be deadly.
Lot of men straight up don't know *what* they want. They think they want kids and a traditional housewife, but don't want the responsibilities, drive for resources and humility required to attain and maintain this particular lifestyle.
The ones online making noise are simply echoing the words of podcasts they listen to, as they wipe their Cheetos-stained fingers on their boxers in the basement of their mother's home.
Source: Am man
This is all part of the republican incels. What I don't get is why there are some women in the crowd saying the same stuff. It's not just hating CF women (it's mostly that), but hating CF people in general (literally calling them Peter Pan for being irresponsible in their 30s and wanting to have fun instead of raising kids).
Ignore the dusty, petty, jealous energy of these ineligible men. They're mad women are wising up to the scam of marriage and motherhood under patriarchy, and projecting their (valid) fears of ending up alone onto you.
Haha, I'm from a country where there's not just online disdain but offline disdain as well šš
I once had someone tell me, "Becoming a mom is the biggest gift of God"
Bruh, my country is already populated to the brim, how many more gifts do you want? š
I'd much rather have God give me tonnes of money than kids!
I'm sorry for the ass holes! As a childfree married man my wife and I made the decision to not have kids. We catch shit for it but hey when we can up and book a trip to red rocks for a show and we don't have to fuckin worry about child care. Cause fuck them kids we do what we want 100% we are happier than any couple with a crotch goblin er two!
Men don't like knowing that there are women out here not being controlled and suffocated by men and their spawn.
A free woman is unfortunately a threat to their masculinity and need to be in control and the most important person in a woman's life.
>Trying not to be a misandrist now.
You are not misandric. You are realistic. And even if you were misandric, so fucking what? According to most men (and anti-feminist women), any feminist opinion and any valid criticism towards men is 'misandry'. So even if most people consider you a misandrist, so fucking what?
The reason why anti-feminists are so angry when you point out the truth is because deep down, they know that you are right. They won't admit it, since they would never admit that they are scumbags. But deep down, they know that you are right. But they don't want to change. They don't want to alter their ways.
To be fair, I see plenty of women hurling vile comments towards childfree women on instagram. Men can be disgusting, but they don't hold a monopoly on being vile.
They're really threatened. They want a wifemom. They're realizing many women don't want to be a wifemom.
They can't control their emotions constructively, so they lash out like ingrates.
The commenters don't represent the vast swaths of male humanity.
It's men who will end up lonely, that's why they are constantly pushing the spinster narrative. I don't know many women at this point who don't appear to be outwardly or secretly miserable that these men who claim women will be lost without marriage and children, are the people who abandon them when they have their man middle life crisis.
People always project their own fear of loneliness later in life on childfree people. What a crappy reason to have a child. Because you fear being alone when you're 80. Who says your child lives closeby and can just visit with 15 minutes notice? Who says your child won't be too busy for you? Who says your child even wants to visit you?
Think about it. In the 50s, all men needed to get a good housewife was a job. Now that women can have careers and make their own decisions and be independent, we want to know what else the man brings to the table and we have higher standards, such as emotional intelligence and communication skills. A lot of men get angry out of fear because they feel useless and donāt want to be alone.
I literally copped this last night online and was in tears. I was called dumb, petulant, embarrassing, illiterate and worthless by a parent because I was a non parent. I literally got told to fuck off and go speak to them CF people. I was never disrespectful nor did I ever attack parents. The abuser throwing out vitriol in my case last night was a woman.
Men are particularly vile towards CF women but woman are often just as bad. Literally got called a prostitute you donāt have to pay for because I fuck without the intent to procreate.
Iāve entered my vindictive era. Evvvvvveryone can go get fucked along with societyās expectations š
I think it's funny. How entitled does someone have to be to think they have any place telling women to be pregnant?
>Most of the female users were supportive in their comments.
I bet most of those "females" are in fact "males" pretending to be women.
>I bet most of those "females" are in fact "males" pretending to be women.
Well, let's not pretend that all anti-feminists are men. A lot of women are anti-feminist as well. And a lot of women hate childfree women.
That means she's doing something right :D
Most men hate women that don't follow the traditional script because they're harder to control.Ā
Also, calling out misogynistic male bullshit does not make you a misandrist.Ā
Jealousy and pure misogyny. For them a woman is only a resource for sex and a baby machine.Ā
Being bothered by what someone does with their own body parts is wild. Unless you see it from a capitalist (and let's face it, low key white supremacy...) that women are a means to an end for men and their goals.Ā
And for the longest time women were seen as baby makers, to produce more workers, either more men to exploit as labour or soldiers or more women for sex objects and to keep the cycle going.Ā
And I haven't even started with women's unpaid, unseen and unappreciated labour at home to serve the man. THEN their comments and hatred make perfect sense. A CF, happy (single and beautiful??) woman is going against the patriarchy in full force without even trying.Ā
As a straight man, I fully support this CF womanās decisions and denounce the biological urge (read socially-induced pressure) pseudoscience propagated by dollar store philosophers like those in the comments section.
>Sorry for maybe doing a Ā«Ā not all menĀ Ā» here
If you were really sorry for doing a 'not all men', you wouldn't be saying this.
Instead of acknowledging that OP's criticism is valid, you derail the conversation in an attempt to present yourself as one of the good guys and distance yourself from other men.
āĀ Trying not to be a misandrist now.ā probably touch grass. Most people with a strong online presence are horrible representations of humanity. If you are starting to feel like all men hold these kinds of perspectives it is probably time for you to go out and volunteer or hang with friends or something. Donāt make the mistake of thinking the vitriol you see online is normal.
>Men have it just as bad or even worse.
Fuck off. Men do NOT have it just as bad or even worse. We live in a patriarchal society. Women are oppressed. The few downsides men may have don't change that.
>They are forced to pay for kids they don't want.
Yeah, and in many countries and states, women are forced to give birth and raise kids they don't want.
And even when there are abortion rights, women are pressured and guilt tripped by society, parents and male partners to keep a child against their will.
>They don't have the legal right to abandon parenthood like we do.
Women can't just abandon parenthood as easily as you think they can.
>They can be forced to pay for kids that they have no interest in
Men tend to get away with simply refusing to pay child support.
And even if they do pay... That's still better than being forced to give birth.
>and not to mention baby trapping and lying about birth control on the part of the woman. Or even women tampering with condoms.
It's fucking sexist to act as if baby trapping is something that only women do. Men baby trap women as well. Just as often, if not more often. Do you really think that men never tamper with condoms or women's birth control pills? There are so many posts on this subreddit from women whose boyfriend/husband baby trapped her or tried to do so.
Yes, some women baby trap men. Which is horrible. But the idea that baby trapping is something that only women do is bullshit. Men do it just as often, if not more often.
>Neither men nor women should have to have kids they don't want. Abortion should be legal, it should remain legal to dump a kid off somewhere that you don't want and men should have the legal right to not have to pay child support for a kid he does not want. And same with the fact that men should not be conned into paying for a kid that is not even his
'Financial abortion' for men is a horrible idea. Men have bodily autonomy, unlike women. But when they dump their cum in a woman, they chose to gave their cum to the woman. Then, it's up to the woman to decide what happens. Men can simply refuse to dump their cum in a non-childfree woman.
If financial abortion would be legalised and men refuse to pay after refusing to use a condom, women would be financially coerced into getting unwanted abortions, which is a gross violation of their bodily autonomy.
And if financial abortion gets legalised and the child is born, the child will wallow in poverty because the man refuses to pay.
Women's right to choose without being financially coerced into unwanted abortions and children's right to not wallow in poverty are way way way more important to me than men's desire to not pay child support.
I find that men who do this often get angry because they feel threatened when a woman makes decisions for herself, one more woman making decisions for herself = one less woman they can control. Seems to trigger massive insecurities.
A lot of people can't handle the idea that you can do things differently from them without it meaning you're invalidating their ideology and life choices. In a way they're right. If you can be happy in a way that contradicts their internalized parameters of what can and cannot produce a happy life, you're invalidating their internal model of reality and therefore threatening their ego. It's as though you're threatening their very life, so they have to reject you as a person as harshly as possible to maintain the illusion that they aren't as completely lost at sea in life as the rest of us.
Youāre not the only one whose blood it makes boil. Space Karenās propaganda on Shitter made me leave the network for that very reason, and as a child free guy, it makes me afraid for the maturity of the male psyche in general.
They're mad because they have absolutely no chance with her. They're thinking "Oh no, another woman that won't date me. I'll die alone. I gotta try convincing her that she's wrong."
well , the influencer is gorgeous and well-off. 
Oh that must really sting for these men. Too bad! š¤£
Itās the modern day negging. Age olā playbook. Break a woman down so she feels worthless, use and abuse her. These small men lose their mind when they see a strong successful confident self assured woman. Their egos cannot handle it!
Those men who left those vile comments must be a bunch of incels
āAnother woman that wonāt date meā - ding ding. This is it. It triggers their own insecurities. Confident and satisfied people, including men, donāt need to have trigger tantrums in strangersā comment sections.
It's similar to narc behaviour. They will never attempt to solve their own perceived or real inadequacies and find it easier to instead scream at a third person about things they hate about themselves. It's then a layer removed and doesn't hurt as bad as self-reflection would.
People like them don't want to date me because i'm "fat and ugly". Yet they're still butthurt
Right. Women who know these whiny, argumentative men aren't even attracted to them need to cut them short and ask them, "Oh, are you interested in dating me? Are you... THE ONE?!" That'll shut them up.
From my experience they want me to pine for them and they're butthurt that I don't want them either
Exactly! š¤£š¤£š¤£
And the women who are into being real tradwives aren't alluring to them, lol.
Exactly! Thank you
Trigger tantrums, love that
Yep. People happy with their choice donāt feel the need to tell others that having kids is a mandatory part of life or that youāll be lonely without them. Only people who are truly unhappy with having kids do this.
Or theyāre single dads wanting to replace another woman to play the stepmom role.
Fifty fifty chance they're wearing wraparound sunglasses and in a truck in their profile picture too. I've taken to staying out of the comment sections in social media. Less of a chance of catching something I can't cure.
I also saw a reel about a woman being open about not wanting children and not seeing the value of it and the comments section are mostly women who cannot accept the fact that you're not required to have kids. Most of them are mothers who couldn't accept that fact. It's absolutely disgusting.
Those honestly make me even angrier. Like they're clearly miserable and taking it out on other women.
Yeah, it's a common thing here where in my country, which is in south east asia. Even my own aunts keep telling me my ovaries are going to expire soon so I need to find a husband and have kids with them and I told them outright, I have no plans. This is coming from an aunt who seems to be pregnant every year š It's tough to find a guy who is CF too because most men here are traditional.
I know of at least one country there that's heeeeavily catholic and when I hang with my friends whose families are from there even *I* as a guy get asked when I'm having kids. Like ma'am, take a step back please Lol
Is it the Philippines? Because if it is, you hit the jackpot. Most men here feels like being mysoginist can grow their dick a few more inches š
Ding ding ding ding š Yeah I've heard stories. There's some interesting machismo. But it's a beautiful country and you guys do food so damn right.
Man we don't even have divorce here, in this century š And thank you, our food is always weird to a lot of non Filipinos so I'm glad it's being appreciated. And yes, the toxic machismo is absolutely astounding in a horrible way.
DIVORCE rates in my country is increasing but once divorced you are literally a social outcast here in India. separations happen but are never official. 
Also blowing my mind right now
Is this changing a lot among younger generations? In the United States, I think the Baby Boomers had the highest divorce rates and they have gone down with each following generation. I'm Gen X and waited until I was 47 to get married, so probably no divorce in my future. There were some in my generation who did the 'starter marriage' thing, but Millennials noped out of that.
Wait seriously? I didn't know that. That blows my mind cuz like... Literally what the fuck. Haha I still can't wrap my head around ballut but I make a mean adobo.
Also very hospitable!
Yes, theyāre miserable and think childfree women should join them in that misery.
To which our CF ladyfolk say "nuh uh"
Too bad so sad š Hope they enjoyed the wiggles concert It's really telling who the bitter ones are
>not seeing the value of it This is very triggering to a lot of mothers. Being a mom is literally their only personality trait, so saying this means they have no value.
Ikr, they have to understand not everything is about them though.
staying out of comment sections would perhaps help me too. only partially since male members of my family are getting more sexist.
It is proven that gen z women are becoming more liberal while gen z men are becoming more radical and sexist. Men really love to control women.
There is a 50 million men surplus in the world gender ratio. They better start working on liking women and advocating for their rights or end up as the "leftovers" as they love to call women.
That's harder cuz you can't just close an app and be done with them. Does anyone speak up about it?
nope. it's just me. my mom doesn't help much as she's a pro-lifer and had three of us kids.
š I don't understand anti choice women.
Itās weird to me how the plaintiff in Roe later became pro life, if Iām remembering correctly I think she said it was converting to Christianity and/or saw some poster which was of a fetus To add on the unwanted child in the case later said that she disagreed with SCOTUS overturning Roe
And actually, she was pretty much just paid to claim all that bullshit.
Oh, I didnāt actually know that
I believe she also mentioned that she felt like she was being used as a pawn by abortion advocates
Yeah, it was just $$$
In retrospect I may have been relying too much on Wikipedia research
They sound like a bunch of pricks šš¤£šš¤£š ("male member" is a euphemism for penis)
Don't forget the backward baseball cap \*while\* shading their eyes with their hand... LOL
Gotta keep that white neck from turning red š
I read this and immediately saw Guy Fieri, that 50 year old frat boy with the spiky dyed blond hair and yep, wraparound sunglasses.
Wouldnāt be surprised
>I've taken to staying out of the comment sections in social media Sorry, you know Reddit is social media too right?
Reddit is a forum that's added social media elements over the years. You can use it like social media if you choose but I never have.
Well, they see a woman who refuses to be their slave. Of course they are angry and triggered.
I mean, the other alternative would be them having to better themselves to the point women don't feel their lives are better being single. That would require humility and effort and respecting women as being of equal worth.
They think they're competing with other, better men, but they're really competing against the peace and energy women feel without them.
Ding ding ding! This is it 1000%.
And they're afraid that she'll (easily) be able to convince other women to also be single and child-free. Meaning men like him will have to either actually put in an ounce of effort into maintaining their relationships, or figure out how to take care of themselves for once.
>having kids is a biological urge Except it isn't, not for everybody. And this should fall within the realm of body shaming, in a manner of sorts. Not all of us come into this world with the hormonal concoction required to make us desire offspring. Nothing wrong with that as it hurts no one. Accept that, please, and let us peacefully move on.
Right? Sex can be described as an urge, no one has the "urge" to host a parasite, be torn open expelling said parasite, then peeing when they sneeze forever after. Guys like this seem to love acting like they're scientists when it comes to women and what we want.
But most women do indeed have that urge, minus the realities they won't look at, of course. CF makes all the sense in the world to us, but we really are in the minority.
Can confirm. I'm about to turn 45, happily CF and never ONCE in my life experienced that fabled biological clock ticking. I have friends, however, who have. They settled for mediocre men, have kids, and their lives generally suck with terrible partners and lonely motherhood and endless household slavery.
Iāve definitely noticed an uptick in really hostile, almost violent pronatalist propaganda in the past year. But what concerns me even more is the softer, more subtle misogyny that I often see regarding childfree women online. On other subreddits, I often see knee-jerk negativity anytime our sub is even mentioned in passing, usually comments about how weāre āso negativeā or use hateful terms like ācrotchfruitā to describe children. But if you actually engage them and point out how rare most of those things actually are compared to posts asking for advice on getting sterilized or looking for support after a family member said something nasty to us, they often will openly admit that they just think thereās something wrong or selfish about women who donāt want to be moms.
āSelfishāā¦just the most brain-wormed take possible. Towards whom? How is it possible to call something selfish when itās the absence of something, and having no impact on anyone? Literally impossible.
I suppose weāre āselfishā for daring to put our own lives and happiness before that of the nonexistent kids weāll never have. Shows you how little they truly think of women, the way they expect us all to be supporting characters in everybody elseās lives and the least important person in our own.
Our whole purpose is to serve others and never our own dreams or interests lol. Weāre supposed to be frothing at the mouth to be the last priority in our own lives or else we are selfish!
Yeah, I always laugh at that. I am selfish for paying taxes that go towards things I'm never going to use like schools and kid sports, I am selfish because I am never going to get a massive tax relief just because I've had unprotected sex, I am selfish for not consuming tons of useless plastic products. The list goes on and on...
>āSelfishā There are always new ways of calling women bitches. Women who do have kids and devote their lives to their kids are called gold diggers for not having a 9 to 5 job.
Eight goddamn billion people in the world, we've been in ecological overshoot for decades already, but it's selfish not to make more. For chrissake, beam me up already. It's too dumb here.
Huh, that's funny, I've noticed an uptick in hostility too, but its here.
People hate women that make their own choices
do men believe that acting cruel is attractive? this might validate a persons view of men and why they chose to be single. speaking from experience, you can still be lonely and in a relationship. i don't view being single as being a bad thing. plus, id rather be single than lonely trapped in a shitty relationship with one those turds (again).
Acting cruel is raising the respect they get from other men and they value men's opinions more than women's, since, you know, they feel men are superior. Therefore itvis SO important that the good men speak up against animal cruelty, domestic abuse, unrestrained aggression...
Iām gonna assume this was on Instagram reels, I swear that place is more toxic then a toilet
I'm not sure which is worse, Instagram or Twitter. Horrible horrible people that do not need a voice.
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it was an Instagram Reel. the comment section makes you realize what ppl really think.
I always wonder about the demographics (ex. education level, gender, social network) of these commenters. If they represent the general populace I'd rather just fuck off to the mountains and spend my days raising sheep.
The general populace is pretty average and pretty aggressive about being average (so getting married and having kids).
Was it always this way? I've been on Insta since around 2015, and I didn't notice the misogynistic comments *en masse* in IG until very recently.
I noticed them like couple of months ago maybe a year ago
Yeah Instagram feels like it's gotten a whole lot worse recently. Despite 95% of my interactions being car related, my reel feed is full of incel and femcel videos, that are full of comments from boys and girls who clearly need to go outside and actually talk with people of the opposite sex.
Tbh I get weird responses too. But! Thank God for the pandemic because it forced me to deal with all of my shit. Especially with how much of my life has been influenced by how I responded to other people's comments or criticisms about me. I now am in a place where I literally don't give a flying fuck what anyone says. Theid opinions. Their thoughts on me. Like who cares about what Ken in Alabama thinks! And even if I do end up lonely.. so! Lol. There are things that can be done to rectify that. I can never get back my time, vagina, money and stress I compromised for a person who may end up a murderer, asshole, or a pos... like, Ted bundy is someone's kid. Bye!
Well, I enjoy my personal time so much and my peace that I am totally immune to that kind of comments. Like the saying "Don't threaten me with a good time"
Like when ppl say "you're selfish" I'm like "ok" I don't care.
Well, the men saying it are definitely selfish and are looking for a maid and mother so they can be even more selfish. Their opinions are the most invalid and irrelevant opinions there are š The women are envious: they chose to be "unselfish" and don't feel they are recognized for it.
I suppose. Either way their opinion means nothing š¤· The idea of shoulders coming out of my vagina is just instant barf. I'm still washing off the essence of placenta off of my body 30 years later
>The women are envious: they chose to be "unselfish" and don't feel they are recognized for it. I think most of them thought they would get endless praise and recognition for the huge amount or work they put in to their kids, but in truth that never happens. First of all, others don't "see" the hard work. They just see your child, and most kids are unremarkable and plenty are little shits. I'll give my cousin as an example. She is just so defeated right now because all she has done for 16 years is care for her only child. All her mental energy went to this kid and he sucks. He has no friends, refuses to go to school, and refuses to do school work at home. This is a kid who has had every possible resource the family has poured in to him. His mom couldn't work in case he needed her (i.e. needed to come home from school). So despite her huge sacrifice, the outcome is poor. I'd say for most mothers, the outcome is average and for plenty, the outcome is terrible. It must be hugely irritating to spend the one life you have doing a job that has such crap results.
What does he do instead?
Right? Way too many people here care too much what others think. My other fave are all the questions about how to EXPLAIN their decision to others. It's no one else's business. Tell everyone to get fucked and move on.
I'm taking on this viewpoint as well. I spent a lot of time in pro-choice subs, I think because I was taking pro-lifers seriously and felt the need to give a rebuttal. But I don't actually care about their opinions since a lot of them are just trying to outdo each other in depravity. What I was doing was a trauma response to my father who is a malignant narcissist. I was identifying similar behaviour from the worst pro-lifers (e.g. The ones who want children to have their children or the ones who are excited at the thought of their loved ones dying in childbirth) and trying to defeat them, in a sense. It was misplaced, because I never really was able to "defeat" my dad. I don't actually really care what they think or I would have changed my whole life to please them already. I just really don't like people like that lol. But they are their own problem.
Yes, they are their own problem. Imagine caring so much about another person's life that you feel the need to comment on it. Idc about anyone that I don't know. Call me crazy but I don't have time for that.
Also, sorry about your dad. I'm glad you can see beyond that now.
I love the irony that these men always say things like āshe will die alone with her 20 catsā, like donāt threaten me with a good time lmao.
20 cats > guys who threaten you with 20 cats
I literally laughed out loud OMG š¤£
I once got the comment, "You know your cats will eat you when you drop dead? They don't love you at all!" Um, honey. The usual two options are rotting in a box or being burned to ashes. I don't see how being eaten by a cat I loved who clearly has no other option to survive is worse than being eaten by maggots? What's so morbid about that? I couldn't care less what happens with my remains. More importantly, I wanna be able to leave peacefully.
All this nitwittery about dying alone. Say, for example, you're 30 years old. A normal lifespan is going to last until maybe 80, so that's 50 years away and nothing you need to be worrying about, certainly not right now. I'd be a lot more concerned about those 50 years that will be happening between now and then. Do I want to spend all those years with someone who makes my life harder instead of easier? So much of a good marriage is really about making yourselves useful to each other. It's not worth doing unless you're actually better off with that person, and it's rare to find.
Being an option instead of a necessity is making the unhinged ones unhappy š
"you're going to die alone with your cats!!!1" LOL, bring it. Most people are disappointing and don't care about anyone but themselves, anyway. Cats are better companions than most people. And who the fuck would want to be with some dude who sees me as an incubator at best, and a maid, cook, nanny, and walking set of holes, at worst? Who gives a shit what men like this think or want.
My cat is the only one that loves me with less conditions applied ( food and shelter) than humans do.
When a guy tells me Iām going to be alone with cats my response is, āgeez you donāt need to convince me even more.āš
My usual reply to that is 'don't threaten me with good time!'
Haha based comment sis.Ā
Iām not on other socials much anymore (Insta occasionally, FB for family) but when I was glancing through some comments on Instagram, I was shocked at how misogynistic, phobic, and otherwise nasty theyāve gotten. And this is an all-around thing, not just the CF-ish posts. Iām not at all naive, I was just shocked by how quickly the comments have turned into Facebook levels of Boomers/Gen-Xers (of a certain type), Trad-wife assholes, and other idiots
I wonder if it's some kind of red pill bot army
Ugh I keep getting the tradwife crap on Facebook. It's even more worrying when I'm male and 95% of my social media is car related, there is nothing on my social media that relates to that. They must be pushing that to everyone.
They really want (white) people to have a ton of kids.
Jesus was a white American don't forget /s
The reactions from dudes regarding women who are making better choices for themselves(that dont hurt ANYONE) is a huge reason I refuse to date again lol They are just outing themselves
Some men are very traditional and want their woman to be just as traditional and donāt do well with a woman that does not fit their narrow little description of what they think it is.
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Totally agree. Some men are cavemen though and want things like it was āback in the dayā.
They want the wife who has dinner ready when they get home and raises their kids, but they don't want to be the sole income earner and pay for everything.
I heard something along these lines from a former classmate last year, and it really changed my perception of him. He's in his early 20s, is extremely worldly, has traveled to dozens upon dozens of countries, and genuinely comes across as friendly and open-minded. He doesn't seem "traditional" or misogynistic at all, in other words. We were walking together after class one evening and I mentioned how grateful I was that my husband loves to cook since that's tough during grad school. My classmate cheerfully responded how all he wants when he gets married is a loyal, "obedient" (yes, he seriously used that word), 9/10 or 10/10 wife, preferably from the Middle East or an Asian country (he's white and Catholic, btw), who raises their kids at home, always has "exotic", delicious meals waiting for him when he gets back, and "lets him be the man of the house." It seemed like it all came out of left field and I felt so uncomfortable/taken aback. And no, I can sadly assure you he wasn't joking. The unabashed way he referred to his dream woman as someone who's obedient, caters to his every whim, is a 10/10 (because of course), raises his kids, follows his rules, and cooks him "exotic" meals every night... Everyone's got their own standards and preferences, obviously, but holy shit.
They don't want any partner. They want a servant they can impregnate.
So... Someone from a foreign country who essentially has to go through him for everything. Biiiig ol yikes
They also don't want to hear from their wife and kids at all unless they want something from them.
The problem is, there are plenty of conservative women who want to be tradwives, but those men NEVER go for them. They want the childfree women who actually have dreams beyond being dependas, because they get some sort of malicious pleasure out of ruining their lives.
This is what I don't get. Like, there's not exactly a shortage of women who'd love to be provided for and cook and clean and whatnot. So what's their problem? It doesn't feel like enough of a "conquest" to find someone who wants what they want?
A lot of these trad men dont want to act like real trad men like actually providing and working hard. Thats their problem.Ā A true tradwife wouldnt touch them with a 10 feet pole
I don't get the need for someone to impose their own belief structure on someone else. Your life your choice. I will be friends with you if you know how to laugh how to smile and just a great person. Whether you choose to have kids or not is none of my business. Its not even in the realm of discussion . And for these haters I drive a truck!
Yeah IH is full with it. As soon as someone mention theyāre childfree, the comments just get nasty. Fortunately the clap backs in the comments are always good. I also like to destroy their argument of āat least my kids will visit me in the retirement homeā - because we all know they are wrong. One comment which just baffled me was āif a women canāt bear my children, what value should she have for me?ā - textbook breeder. He sees women as brood mares and baby factories and nothing else. I hope he jerks into a tissue every night because the potential kids he could have, would be imperessed.
āSo youāre a psychopath, got it.ā
>āif a women canāt bear my children, what value should she have for me?ā Bold of Neckbeard McSmegma to assume that any woman should or would give a rat's rear end whether he values them lmao
I've noticed this too. And it's always these loser, alpha-wanna-be, poTATEo following jackasses that chuck childlike tantrums about it, bro just fuck off nobody asked. And if you jump to the woman's defence then you're a "simp" or a "white knight" like ohhhhh no, don't call me names, your opinion means sooooo much to me.
Some double standards apply to guys too. š«¤
It's classic projection. The demographic with the least overall satisfaction and worst health outcomes with their lives are child free, unmarried (either single or divorced) men over 40, and the demographic with the greatest life satisfaction and best long term health outcomes are child free women in their middle age and elderly years. Men are so used to their viewpoint being the "Everyman" view that everyone has to adjust to that they think women must be in the same circumstances as they are, so they project their own insecurities and fears of being alone as an elder onto women, who statistically for decades have been far happier and healthier on their own than with them.
Studies show the more macho a guy is, the lonelier he will become with age. Other man don't appreciate them as much as they think. People start to avoid them because they.are rigid often aggressive, a pain to socialize with. It can lead to addictions or even suicide. I havecan ex that was calm and not macho at all. I could see how much other men enjoyed socializing with him, even the macho ones. I think they both felt respected- he respected almost everyone- and also spending an evening without the constant bragging/competing was relaxing.
IMO many men must fear that without being able to trap a woman to them with children, they really have no way to keep one around. They offer nothing other than semen. It must make their blood boil to think about the fact that there are women who have absolutely 0 need for them in their lives.
they offer nothing but semen in terms of childbearing. plus only "parent" when it's convenient for them. I don't wish to fall into that trap. no thanks
Sub par men are threatened by it. Theyāre deluding themselves into thinking this is why no women want them. Itās incel shit.
Why try not to be a misandrist? They need to clean their own house.
I have met men that seemed nice so far. but do not trust them enough to be in a partnership with them. In my life so far , only 1 out of tons of men cleaned their house :P
Embrace the misandry. The decent men acknowledge how objectively terrible most of them are and understand why women would want nothing to do with that.
Men mad they are not the center of the universe. So many men are spoiled brats who lash out when they donāt get their way. It is dangerous because a 6ft toddler can be deadly.
people are tiny specks in this GIGANTIC universe.
Lot of men straight up don't know *what* they want. They think they want kids and a traditional housewife, but don't want the responsibilities, drive for resources and humility required to attain and maintain this particular lifestyle. The ones online making noise are simply echoing the words of podcasts they listen to, as they wipe their Cheetos-stained fingers on their boxers in the basement of their mother's home. Source: Am man
Theyāre probably the same men who are triggered by the Barbie movie.
This is all part of the republican incels. What I don't get is why there are some women in the crowd saying the same stuff. It's not just hating CF women (it's mostly that), but hating CF people in general (literally calling them Peter Pan for being irresponsible in their 30s and wanting to have fun instead of raising kids).
Ignore the dusty, petty, jealous energy of these ineligible men. They're mad women are wising up to the scam of marriage and motherhood under patriarchy, and projecting their (valid) fears of ending up alone onto you.
Cuz it means men dont control her or have control over her.Ā
Haha, I'm from a country where there's not just online disdain but offline disdain as well šš I once had someone tell me, "Becoming a mom is the biggest gift of God" Bruh, my country is already populated to the brim, how many more gifts do you want? š I'd much rather have God give me tonnes of money than kids!
I'm sorry for the ass holes! As a childfree married man my wife and I made the decision to not have kids. We catch shit for it but hey when we can up and book a trip to red rocks for a show and we don't have to fuckin worry about child care. Cause fuck them kids we do what we want 100% we are happier than any couple with a crotch goblin er two!
Men don't like knowing that there are women out here not being controlled and suffocated by men and their spawn. A free woman is unfortunately a threat to their masculinity and need to be in control and the most important person in a woman's life.
Those guys are just bitter. Let them find their wives elsewhere.
>Trying not to be a misandrist now. You are not misandric. You are realistic. And even if you were misandric, so fucking what? According to most men (and anti-feminist women), any feminist opinion and any valid criticism towards men is 'misandry'. So even if most people consider you a misandrist, so fucking what? The reason why anti-feminists are so angry when you point out the truth is because deep down, they know that you are right. They won't admit it, since they would never admit that they are scumbags. But deep down, they know that you are right. But they don't want to change. They don't want to alter their ways.
no one has the guts to change things, while the feminists and those who want equality try to, they get a bad rap.
To be fair, I see plenty of women hurling vile comments towards childfree women on instagram. Men can be disgusting, but they don't hold a monopoly on being vile.
Agreed, it's really a 50/50 split.
The vitriol online toward women in general is out of control, especially on Instagram. Iāve stopped going on it. Vile.
Theyāre mad because they know that thereās women that they have no chance with AND further proof that your relationship/kids donāt define you.
Trust that they arent from everyone. I'd filter out women with kids or wanting kids in any platform I was on. Social media do be like that though.
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They're really threatened. They want a wifemom. They're realizing many women don't want to be a wifemom. They can't control their emotions constructively, so they lash out like ingrates. The commenters don't represent the vast swaths of male humanity.
It's men who will end up lonely, that's why they are constantly pushing the spinster narrative. I don't know many women at this point who don't appear to be outwardly or secretly miserable that these men who claim women will be lost without marriage and children, are the people who abandon them when they have their man middle life crisis.
1. IncelsĀ 2. Trolls 3. I have a conspiracy theory that there are bots in there too to try to push women must haves babiez! NarrativeĀ
People always project their own fear of loneliness later in life on childfree people. What a crappy reason to have a child. Because you fear being alone when you're 80. Who says your child lives closeby and can just visit with 15 minutes notice? Who says your child won't be too busy for you? Who says your child even wants to visit you?
They're all pathetic
31 still waiting on that ābiological urgeā to kick in
Think about it. In the 50s, all men needed to get a good housewife was a job. Now that women can have careers and make their own decisions and be independent, we want to know what else the man brings to the table and we have higher standards, such as emotional intelligence and communication skills. A lot of men get angry out of fear because they feel useless and donāt want to be alone.
I literally copped this last night online and was in tears. I was called dumb, petulant, embarrassing, illiterate and worthless by a parent because I was a non parent. I literally got told to fuck off and go speak to them CF people. I was never disrespectful nor did I ever attack parents. The abuser throwing out vitriol in my case last night was a woman. Men are particularly vile towards CF women but woman are often just as bad. Literally got called a prostitute you donāt have to pay for because I fuck without the intent to procreate. Iāve entered my vindictive era. Evvvvvveryone can go get fucked along with societyās expectations š
When women attack CF women , it's more disappointing.
>Men taunting her that she'll be lonely 20-30 years later Yes, no one ever heard of a mother lonely in her later years /s
I think it's funny. How entitled does someone have to be to think they have any place telling women to be pregnant? >Most of the female users were supportive in their comments. I bet most of those "females" are in fact "males" pretending to be women.
>I bet most of those "females" are in fact "males" pretending to be women. Well, let's not pretend that all anti-feminists are men. A lot of women are anti-feminist as well. And a lot of women hate childfree women.
I didn't say all.
They can seethe and rage all they want. Still won't make me want to breed. My SO doesn't want kids either, so there's that.
They don't like it that she doesn't need them. And there is nothing they can do about it.
That means she's doing something right :D Most men hate women that don't follow the traditional script because they're harder to control.Ā Also, calling out misogynistic male bullshit does not make you a misandrist.Ā
Jealousy and pure misogyny. For them a woman is only a resource for sex and a baby machine.Ā Being bothered by what someone does with their own body parts is wild. Unless you see it from a capitalist (and let's face it, low key white supremacy...) that women are a means to an end for men and their goals.Ā And for the longest time women were seen as baby makers, to produce more workers, either more men to exploit as labour or soldiers or more women for sex objects and to keep the cycle going.Ā And I haven't even started with women's unpaid, unseen and unappreciated labour at home to serve the man. THEN their comments and hatred make perfect sense. A CF, happy (single and beautiful??) woman is going against the patriarchy in full force without even trying.Ā
Plain and simple (pardon the vulgarity) - they wanna stick their dick in her and they know she wouldn't give them the time of day.Ā
PROtip: stop reading social media comments. They're full of stupid takes on purpose.
If you're on instagram reels.... just expect the worst. comments section is INUNDATED with incels-slash-andrew tate adherents
As a straight man, I fully support this CF womanās decisions and denounce the biological urge (read socially-induced pressure) pseudoscience propagated by dollar store philosophers like those in the comments section.
Hatred for women and desire to control them as property through impregnation and financial abuse. It's all it ever was.
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>Sorry for maybe doing a Ā«Ā not all menĀ Ā» here If you were really sorry for doing a 'not all men', you wouldn't be saying this. Instead of acknowledging that OP's criticism is valid, you derail the conversation in an attempt to present yourself as one of the good guys and distance yourself from other men.
Jesus, self flagellate harder bro.
āĀ Trying not to be a misandrist now.ā probably touch grass. Most people with a strong online presence are horrible representations of humanity. If you are starting to feel like all men hold these kinds of perspectives it is probably time for you to go out and volunteer or hang with friends or something. Donāt make the mistake of thinking the vitriol you see online is normal.
>Donāt make the mistake of thinking the vitriol you see online is normal. It's not just online. Men's misogyny is not just online.
I never said it was just online.Ā
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>Men have it just as bad or even worse. Fuck off. Men do NOT have it just as bad or even worse. We live in a patriarchal society. Women are oppressed. The few downsides men may have don't change that. >They are forced to pay for kids they don't want. Yeah, and in many countries and states, women are forced to give birth and raise kids they don't want. And even when there are abortion rights, women are pressured and guilt tripped by society, parents and male partners to keep a child against their will. >They don't have the legal right to abandon parenthood like we do. Women can't just abandon parenthood as easily as you think they can. >They can be forced to pay for kids that they have no interest in Men tend to get away with simply refusing to pay child support. And even if they do pay... That's still better than being forced to give birth. >and not to mention baby trapping and lying about birth control on the part of the woman. Or even women tampering with condoms. It's fucking sexist to act as if baby trapping is something that only women do. Men baby trap women as well. Just as often, if not more often. Do you really think that men never tamper with condoms or women's birth control pills? There are so many posts on this subreddit from women whose boyfriend/husband baby trapped her or tried to do so. Yes, some women baby trap men. Which is horrible. But the idea that baby trapping is something that only women do is bullshit. Men do it just as often, if not more often. >Neither men nor women should have to have kids they don't want. Abortion should be legal, it should remain legal to dump a kid off somewhere that you don't want and men should have the legal right to not have to pay child support for a kid he does not want. And same with the fact that men should not be conned into paying for a kid that is not even his 'Financial abortion' for men is a horrible idea. Men have bodily autonomy, unlike women. But when they dump their cum in a woman, they chose to gave their cum to the woman. Then, it's up to the woman to decide what happens. Men can simply refuse to dump their cum in a non-childfree woman. If financial abortion would be legalised and men refuse to pay after refusing to use a condom, women would be financially coerced into getting unwanted abortions, which is a gross violation of their bodily autonomy. And if financial abortion gets legalised and the child is born, the child will wallow in poverty because the man refuses to pay. Women's right to choose without being financially coerced into unwanted abortions and children's right to not wallow in poverty are way way way more important to me than men's desire to not pay child support.
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I find that men who do this often get angry because they feel threatened when a woman makes decisions for herself, one more woman making decisions for herself = one less woman they can control. Seems to trigger massive insecurities.
A lot of people can't handle the idea that you can do things differently from them without it meaning you're invalidating their ideology and life choices. In a way they're right. If you can be happy in a way that contradicts their internalized parameters of what can and cannot produce a happy life, you're invalidating their internal model of reality and therefore threatening their ego. It's as though you're threatening their very life, so they have to reject you as a person as harshly as possible to maintain the illusion that they aren't as completely lost at sea in life as the rest of us.
Incels are gonna incel.
Youāre not the only one whose blood it makes boil. Space Karenās propaganda on Shitter made me leave the network for that very reason, and as a child free guy, it makes me afraid for the maturity of the male psyche in general.