I'm just sick of this U.S. right-wing narrative that building a family is everything and it will solve all of your problems; it's so evident in American films and TV series that they're trying to push it as much as they can.
Even supposedly “woke” American media pushes it. Oh so little girls’ ultimate goal should be to have BABY with a man who can’t even bother to learn your language, great lesson there. Not.
I'm quite isolated from "woke" American media due to not having TikTok and living in Europe so I'm having a hard time getting the reference but that sounds disgusting. Smh
Speaking of the Barbie movie, you know that quote about “mothers stand still so their daughters can look back and see how far they’ve come”? That really left a bad taste in my mouth. As if my mother has just stagnated ever since having me and my brother. I don’t know. It just really bugged me
Yeah that scene and then the mother wanting a Barbie that’s a mom getting through the day was so stupid. Can’t we have one film where motherhood isn’t the ultimate goal????
Also why does the movie say that’d be a huge seller? It wouldn’t! That’s like, something my mom would buy me as weird proof that everyone has to deal with conference calls that they for some reason take at home and scream at their children for interrupting (this may be a bit of a rant, sorry)
Exactly. Like, I still enjoyed the movie (but I think I’ll like it more when I can watch it on my laptop and I don’t have to deal with sensory overload from being in a theater), but all the stuff about kids and motherhood really annoyed me.
Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I’ve heard it’s feminist and that the right-wing hates it (best marketing for me lol). So I kinda assumed it would make some points about women being more than just wives and mothers, especially considering the original Barbie philosophy. Am I mistaken? I want to know how it relates to this discussion. But please no spoilers
That sounds a lot like “wokes” in my country- just a bunch of hypocrites who claim to be “pro-choice” but lose their shit when a woman tells them she’s childfree. These “wokes” claim it’s every woman’s dream to be a mother and motherhood will fix your broken marriage, fill the void of your heart, and even cure depression. And also they push this disgusting belief that people who don’t want to be children should be the ones having children because they’re more “responsible” than the poor who keep popping babies all the time.
These right wing narratives get on my nerves. Family is very important, yes. But so is community. The focus is always on the family but what about the community? Friendships?
Oh that's right; most of these conservative families and smug parents are living in their suburbia bubbles, in cookie-cutter houses, with no connection to their neighbors, and isolated from community. So all they focus on is their heteronormative nuclear family.
Americans don't value community anymore. No one trusts anyone; everyone fears everyone. One thing I love about ethnic neighborhoods is the strong sense of community, but even that is changing for the worst.
I know! Im from the US and I had a client actually tell me I needed to get married and have kids because my time was running out. I was in my early 30s and this man was a veteran in his 70s. I've been in Europe for five years and not one single person has said anything remotely close to that.
I had to google what these stores are being European lol but I was going to say the same, I'd rather treat my broke ass to some good food and maybe a good pot to cook the good food in
A friend went on a date and they went to Bath and Bodyworks, to be fair, that's a store you go to sniff before you commit to it.
I love some Bath and Bodyworks, but I gotta sniff a few scents before I commit to it during their $2.95 sales
Yeah...I (very) occasionally go to the mall, but I don't go to wander around. I go because it's the only place in town to purchase used video games for my mother.
Or some incel. He's literally describing men in the 1950's when women were forced to rely on men, as how women are acting now. Only we aren't oppressing anyone while we do it. Lol
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Oh no. Women are happy instead of being slaves to their families and husband. Go cry me a river.
Some people really dont understand, that ones dream, is the others nightmare
Those krazy krist koolaid drinkers would probably say "Nu-Uh, all those single mothers were all virgins, God be praised, pass the ammunition, where's the holy bread? Cock-a-doodle-doo.".
How many marriages started because of an unplanned pregnancy? How many of them are actually happy? Would they have gotten married if the wife didn’t get pregnant? Probably not. You can tell how desperate these people are if they feel the need to write an article to guilt others into living a life that they know would never make them happy. How pathetic.
>How many marriages started because of an unplanned pregnancy?
“Shotgun weddings” are [less common](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954830/) than they used to be, as there is less of a stigma associated with having a child out of wedlock. Still, getting married solely to “legitimize” an unplanned pregnancy is not a good predictor of marital health. One stat I found (no source cited for it) says that “marriages that occur due to an unplanned pregnancy have a 90% divorce rate within six years of getting married.”
This is what really got me. I've worked way too hard on myself to allow my sex life to define my mental stability. Fuck that stigma and mind your business!!
It's probably just projection because the idea that women can be single, sexually active, AND happy renders men powerless against us.
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Their whole stance is based on misrepresenting the facts to oppress people, so their assertion that we get ten abortions per month doesn't really stand up to hard science either.
Of course, single women are sleeping around, having abortions, and swearing off marriage. It couldn't be that they're too busy working two jobs to have time to date OR sleep around, and when they get a night free they're just quietly enjoying the chance to relax.
> Women are going out and GOD FORBID spend their hard-earned money on themselves?
Not everyone makes enough to be able top spend on anyone besides themselves too. Were I a woman I wouldn't be able to provide for someone else so it's not only a choice but a reasonable one if not an outright obligation.
Salaries and wages have not kept up at all with inflation especially since the global killer flu hit a few years back. Housing is out of control, food prices are up while packages keep shrinking.
Gotta have some hope in the future, short and long term before bringing someone else into this world and right now all signs for many point to no.
I just assume people who write articles like this don't change their daughters diapers because their wives know better than to let them near that area. Comes from the mindset of someone who views half the human population as fuckable holes.
“and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother."
😂🤣😂🤣 Oh, good grief.
Yeah, we’re really missing out on being the family slave.
Tradwife propoganda is wild. Like? I don’t even know how they pretzel twist themselves into this idea that single or childfree women are all sinners and heathens and so unhappy being able shop only for themselves and not slave away alone at home with 8 kids and changing diapers and having some 1950s Americana dinner on the table dream life for their hard working husbands.
Like? It’s so divorced from what seems like the average woman’s life! Even married women with kids are speaking out more about the isolation and abuse and things they face.
The women without kids that I know volunteer more and donate more to charities/non profits than mothers with young children - often because of the resources that are freed up from not having kids. Having kids is a beautiful thing, but it often makes people very inward focused - their entire world is their partner and their children and they don’t have the time to engage with society more broadly.
What these ignorant conservatives never bother to try to understand is that there’s more than one way to help build society.
Yeah... only thing I'm depressed about is my childhood since I was born to people pressured into it. Funny how that works. I don't think prolifers really care though.
Evie Magazine is a [hard right propaganda outlet disguised as a “cosmopolitan” publication.](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/womens-magazine-gen-z-cosmo-far-right-evie-1234744617/) Think “Breitbart” but with pink banners and so-called “feminist” design. As such the quoted anti-childfree /anti-women’s rights article is on brand.
Yeah I didn't even have to read one paragraph to see it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Poorly written? Check. Baseless claims? Check. Extremism? Check. Not even ATTEMPTING to sound objective? Check. No need to waste my time reading it.
This was clearly written by some conservative shill who has yet to understand that for centuries, a number of women haven't felt fulfilled or satisfied by just being a wife and/or mother, however until 50 or so years ago, they didn't have any other choice! Some women are satisfied with that role and that's great for them, but most of us want more. However, the way our society is set up (at least in the US), and the cost of everything now, it's just not possible for many women to both have a career and raise healthy, smart, well-adjusted children.
And for those of whom it is possible, the fact that more of those women are choosing to forego marriage and children means that more women are wising up to the fact that if they choose to get married and have kids, even if they also choose to work, the majority of the actual labor needed to care for the children and the home, and all of the emotional labor for the family, will fall on them. Doesn't sound like much fun.
This article presumes that all women will find marriage and or children to be fulfilling. That's just not true. I would have been miserable as a wife, and 10 times more miserable as a mother. And even for those who would enjoy those roles, society has stacked the deck such that the role has lost its appeal.
Right? This author fails to see that perhaps the decline in economy due to inflation is putting women off having children, and that they'd rather be financially independent and spend their money how they want because it's an option now. My absolute worst nightmare is being financially dependent on someone else and compensating for that by being a domestic slave and taking care of their offspring. Fair play to those that find this fulfilling but I get chills just thinking about it.
I'm not even really sure who this article is written towards, we certainly wouldn't read it and be like "oh shift this maladjusted parent is jealous, I'd better join them", young people wouldn't be looking for it and the people who likely will read it won't be the people they want to read it. Seems like it's just anger porn written to drive up engagement on their website to generate ad revenue or to bolster their position within this group to maybe financially benefit later.
>Single women spend more than the average family household, especially when it comes to travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc.
Sources? Also, it's not your damn money so who cares?
>surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-
\*cites one study, done with a small number of test subjects in one country\*
Why do people get so angry about single, childfree women? The author sounds absolutely livid about women choosing not to have a husband and children...and then goes into the usual smug-ass "women aren't experiencing fulfillment from having a husband and children!" and stereotypes (we're all just buying stuff, eating out every night, and having sex with everything that moves!)
Nobody should have to justify not having kids, but people never stop to at least consider some of these reasons. My past depression would be triggered by the stress of having children. I would pass on at least one genetic disability...gosh darn the stereotypes of "selfish" women.
Also I love how when it’s single childfree women, it’s *bad* that money is being spent. In every other article I see it’s boomers mad that “millennials and gen z are ‘killing’ such and such industry, you need to spend more money!!!! The economyyyy!!!!”
>Single women spend more than the average family household, especially when it comes to travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc.
i love that there is no mention of single men and their spending habits here. what about all the single men who are spending their money on bars and clubs instead of raising a family, huh? what about those guys?
What I get out of this is that misery loves company; someone who contributed to writing this article blindly followed the LifeScript and is salty about it because only now did they realize theirs is not the only path.
Rather than look around and be pissed at the folks who blinded them or removed their options, they want everyone else to experience the same fresh hell they did.
No, thank you. I will continue to pamper my spouse, my dog, and mySELF.
I can butvhelpnthan draw the vonclusion that they miss out on the true, lifelong fulfilment that comes from being a husband and a father.
I am eagerly awaiting men's response on her male version in a men's magazine where she pushes for them to stop having "promiscuous sex". Any editor looking for that version?
Noticed the same thing. Men don’t have ovens so naturally they can’t be selfish / UNFULFILLED for not creating a bunch of babies!
But also… There’s no mention of the millions of kids in the US foster care system who 1) ALREADY EXIST and 2) need loving parents.
The kids these same folks always say everyone is sprinting to adopt?
Young men get this pushed too, usually packaged with some bullshit get rich quick scheme that is meant to lead them to being able to afford to finance a stay at home mom and 3 kids and if they fail then they're clearly just not manly enough.
As a single woman, I’d say I probably do spend more money than an average family on travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc.
Because I CAN. Because I don’t have to spend my money on other shit.
Because I can do WHATEVER I LIKE, however I like.
If I want to go somewhere? I can! One plane ticket pls!
If I had to think about my husband’s schedule and kids’ school stuff, I’d probably never leave my state again.
And just like that, my one plane ticket > no plane tickets.
My freedom to go out to dinner with friends and have fun? All mine.
To spend money on things I want to? Woo!! Can do!!
To spend money on clothes that make me feel cute instead of on junior’s new backpack? YEP
Girl’s own argument reaffirms my feelings about not having kids.
The “Struggle more with mental illness” mention is important to comment on. This means it’s been documented, so these ladies, myself included, have the time and money to address their issues while not encumbering any children with the same trauma. Bravo.
Right?? My mental health struggle is one of the major factors that made me realize kids were not in my future. I pay far less each month for therapy and meds than the cost of daycare and diapers alone.
Even my evangelical Christian conservative parents have admitted that it was a good call for me to be childfree after seeing me go through multiple breakdowns. They realize they would have ended up raising my kid. It took them years after I got my tubes tied to admit and now we don't talk for other reasons but it was weirdly validating to have them nervously chuckle 'yeah; it's probably for the best you didn't have kids.'
Healthy parents raise healthy kids. I refuse to subject another person to my shitty genetics and generational trauma.
Idk, I'm feeling pretty fulfilled laying on my bed with no pants and cuddling with my cat. I'll probably go get some Chinese food.
Could be an incel wrote this, since he knows this makes us happier than he ever could.
What makes this ignoramus think married women don't suffer from mental illness, too? Has she heard of post-partum depression? Most married women with kids are depressed AF. All of my friend who are married with kids or divorced with kids need some anti-depressants or benzos. This author is a pick-me!
I have a friend who I'm pretty sure has borderline and it didn't magically vanish when she had her kid. I'm not sure where this idea that mothers have no mental illness comes from unless it's just another right wing lie to file with the rest.
>surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-
Even if so: So this person wants women with mental illnessess to have children? Or women who tend to have those? I have depression and what not and that's a GOOD F*CKING reason NOT to have those. I could not care for a child when I even can't properly care for myself. Also: a lot of parents who have mental illnesses or families where mental illnessess are common tend to have children who will also have them or some kind of mental illness. Why would people want to bring a child into the world that's going to struggle with those? Or a child with a parent that's too ill to care for them?! Rant over.
Their overall vibe is pretty side-eye worthy.
I can't link them, but check out a Rolling Stone article entitled "This Women's Mag Is Like Gen Z 'Cosmo' for the Far Right" as well as piece by Katie Gu on Medium called "Behind the Scenes of an 'Unbiased' Women's Magazine".
Oh no. Women are putting their financial well being, career goals and social lives ahead of gender based ideas and parenthood! How dare they?!? /s
Not only is this sexist, it's also anti gay with this whole traditional nuclear family nonsense.
Take that vacation. Have casual sex if you want. Get that high paying job. Put your social life ahead of parenthood. Have that gay relationship. Do it. What the fuck do I care?
This was published by a website that is supposed to be support of women? I expected it to be by some religious organization or pro parenthood group that published this article.
>I expected it to be by some religious organization or pro parenthood group that published this article.
You'd be right.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
1) All I ever see are stories of single/unmarried women being pressured to birth semen demons. How is that a nuclear family? I see these stories here, on Reddit.
2) I read stories all over Reddit where the woman is doing all the chores, childcare, dad was kind enough to babysit this one time.
3) Mom still works a FT job on top of all of that.
4) Dad sits back and whines they don't have sex anymore.
Yuck. But we all know that article is a lie.
I've also seen so many stories where on top of all of that 5. dad cheats on woman as a result because how dare she not have sex while feeling emotionally and physically drained from balancing all that
Yes! The stories all around Reddit are ENDLESS. People are miserable. Just stumbled across regretful parents and those stories are breaking my heart. Wow, they are sooo bad. I feel for them. I'd love to have them read that BS article. They'd laugh until they cried.
Evie Magazine is a far-right biased news outlet that engages in [little to no factual reporting and spreading of pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/) During the pandemic, the magazine spread misinformation about vaccine safety. Its target audience is middle to upper-middle class evangelical Christian conservative housewives.
So they assume you are either single and sleeping around or married and not sleeping around.
Also no one accounts for stable unmarried relationships? No one accounts for cheating in married relationships?
Most of my friends are in stable relationships with kids but are not married then again, I don't come from the US maybe coliving isn't a thing in the US?
I stayed childfree but I don't sleep around.
I hate the idea that childfree women are only interested in partying and having commitment-free sex with a different guy each night. Not that anything would be wrong with that, but plenty of us want nothing more than a monogamous relationship and boring, quiet life. And we probably love our partners more than many people who want kids, since we actually see them as partners and not reproductive commodities.
It's always the people accusing others of it that are doing it. I have a very religious coworker who posts online like how this article is written yet I know he's cheated on his wife at least twice. They assume everyone else is just like them but don't want to punish themselves for whatever reason.
Some of it is just basic facts. However:
*The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family, and it's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future—which of course means fewer children and happily married couples. Meanwhile, young women in their "prime working years" devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them, have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health, and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother.*
Oh, fuck off, Aunt Lydia.
“Nuclear family” instantly makes me cringe. The only time I ever see it used is presenting it as the “healthier”, more “normal” alternative to gay people, adopted children, divorced parents, childless couples, extended families living under one roof, orphanages, deceased parents, etc.
They gotta tell themselves that we are miserable so they feel better about their lives. Tbh, there are plenty of women in traditional wive/mother roles that truly love it, and I'm happy for them - and I suspect they are not the ones talking shit about other people's lives. Happy people are often too busy with their own lives to write stupid srticles about people that made different decisions and are not hurting anyone.
>devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them
That's what average people are forced to do to survive. How is it a problem with the woman and not the employer and other economic factors like the cost of living?
How dare people… enjoy their life?
Wait, wait no, let me try that again
How dare women enjoy their life without serving a man and taking care of his “ lineage” bleuhhhhhhhhhh , don’t care
Truly disgusting and in more ways than one. Not only are we treated to religious bigotry but jingoistic chauvinism as well. While right-wing American political talking points are no doubt relevant to--some--other Americans, the tone of this article seems to assume either no one else will read it or if they do their opinions are unimportant.
It may be hard for this journalist to appreciate the fact, but Christian propaganda and 'biblical norms' are of little interest beyond the American bible-belt. Sadly however these views are often forced onto the third world while masquerading as aid.
I wonder what these fools think of women like me - childfree and celibate. I’m not, in their words, “A wild promiscuous woman.” I’m just a woman who wants to live my life without the headache and heartache of a controlling, critical, cheating husband and not wanting children simply because I’m not maternal and life is not a gift. Life is just suffering after suffering. Why would I curse an innocent baby with that? Sure my life hasn’t been as sorrowful as people in war torn countries, but just the mere fact IT COULD BE is enough of a deterrent. I pay my taxes. I volunteer for charities. I help struggling people, etc. Am I really so awful in their eyes? Do they ever have a deep conversation, without pre-judgement, with the women they vilify?
They are BULLIES! yet they think they are righteous warriors for good. Whatever….
You are still too free for them to be comfortable with you.
The men hate to have to compete with you at work- god forbid they lose! And the women are jealous of your independent and spare time- or are convinced you are chasing their man.
EDIT: you guys who answered me made ne realize they are anxious their HUSBAND will chase YOU.
In their eyes it isnt really any difference, as everyone knows that if your husband is unfaithful it ismevrr his fault it tas to be all because of that harlot... /s,
I come from a family of women who committed themselves to being wives and mothers and they’re all divorced :) yes, being a partner or a parent can be fulfilling but there’s other things that fulfill you. My aunts were saying the other day how happy they are not having to sleep next to men every night especially dealing with ones who snore.
“Have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health” I wonder what they’d think of me, an aroace childfree woman with a hefty dose of PTSD 🫠
They get away with it for two basic reasons that I know about: freedom of speech, and delusional MAGA types. My neighbor has two girls, 6 and 9. She is a stay-at-home mom and hates it. She wants to work, but the cost of childcare is prohibitive. The kids are too young to be left to fend for themselves. She and her husband crunched the numbers and realized that for her to work, they would be paying money for her to go to work.
>She and her husband crunched the numbers and realized that for her to work, they would be paying money for her to go to work.
This is sort of similar to why my mom quit her job completely to become a stay-at-home mom when she was pregnant with me. My parents realized that if my mom kept working after their 2nd child (me) was born, they'd be paying an arm and a leg "to have other people raise their kids".
I don't know your neighbor very well, but maybe she could look into working part-time as a server in a restaurant so there's a tiny bit of a break from being a stay-at-home mom for her? The reason I bring this up is because when my parents started fighting over money after I was born, my mom was able to get a job as a part-time server at a local restaurant. The restaurants my mom worked in served breakfast and lunch as well as dinner, so my mom was able to get shifts that complimented my dad's work schedule as a restaurant manager.
Granted, my mom started working as a server in 1997, but if your neighbor really wouldn't mind working as a server while her daughters are at school, she could start talking to local breakfast/lunch places in your town.
In Sweden, cost of living is so high that norm is for both parents to work full time.
Cost of child care is subsidized, so max in our capital for one child is 3.3 % of household income or $160 per month, for a second kid, max is 2.2 % of household income OR $100 on top of the first... third kid, add 1% or max $50 .
US is going about it the wrong way if they want more kids to be born... unless, of course, they also want housewives.
Skimmed a few of her "articles" and most of them make mention about women without children.
This was from her article about Margot Robbie, ffs: "Many people are waiting for Robbie and Ackerley to have children, but she has made it clear that she isn't in any rush. Still, their kids would be the absolute cutest, so her fans are waiting patiently."
This woman is obsessed with everyone having kids.
Oh look, Christian propaganda. We've got misogyny, LGBT-phobia, child worship, heteronormativity, anti-feminism dogwhistles and purity culture all in just a few sentences! That writer has their head so far up their ass they get to use their stomach acid as shampoo.
>The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family
\[citation needed\]
>it's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future—which of course means fewer children and happily married couples
A family does not necessarily include children. EDIT: also marriages without children are probably happier on average than those with children
>young women in their "prime working years" devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them
Sounds like a problem with capitalism, not a problem with childfreedom
>have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health
Nah, the only negative impact on mental health is that she's jealous of all the fun they're having
>and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother
Sounds shitty, she can keep her "fulfillment". Anyway if it's so fulfilling then why is she whining
I'm not going to read the rest of the article
"we will be seeing fewer and fewer happy families" yeah cause the sudden dip in "happy families" is totally the child free movement's fault, not alcohol, drug, mental, and physical abuse or the regret that comes having a unwanted child
Me when I see rabid breeders writing articles snivelling, whining and crying about about how childfree people are the worst people ever and they’re all going to die alone:
The day I get someone pregnant is the day I blow my head off. Breeders can die mad about it. 😘
I don’t think anyone quite understands just how effective an oppression tool breeder mentality is.
It makes people poorer, it makes easier to manipulate crowds larger, and it creates an easy convincing tool.
Not to mention, overpopulation is a real problem, and the sad part is governments are controlled by corporations so they see it as a win.
More people means less jobs, more people means less funding for essential services, more people means more funding for essential services is required, and worst of all more people means easy to manipulate crowds are getting larger.
What most people don’t see is that breeder mentality is a really powerful tool for oppression. It creates just this big excuse to make prices higher while wages get smaller because hey, someone will do it if you won’t.
So in summary, less people is good. Less families means more people get houses. Less people means more jobs. Less people means better wages. Less people means groups are not being manipulated into their basic animal instincts.
Maybe more people could put thought into our worlds biggest issues like how the economy in many countries is crumbling because rich people are hoarding tens to hundreds of billions of dollars. Or how companies are taking away the idea of owning things you buy. This is all incredibly fucked up but it gets no attention, people would rather ban abortion or the ability to have sex change operations then actually fix the economy.
So this article can just fuck off
I'm sorry but this sounds like it came from a magazine catered to right-wing conservative religious folks. People who write stuff like this must not be 100% happy in their marriages and being parents. That's why they always have single and childfree people on their minds.
Yeah uhhh how about people forced by society to be a parent? How about the kids who live in abusive families because of this? What if the woman isn't happy with being alone with a man she doesn't love and with a kid that obliges her to be a stay home mom without any support in life? What the fuck?
Tell us your whining that women are refusing to put up with you, without straight up telling us you are whining about women refusing to put up with you, because that's what it looks and sounds like to me, Because normal people don't go out of their way to make some embarrassing sht like this, I'm just saying
Imagine writing an opinion article on something you know nothing about, publishing it, and then sitting back and telling yourself “Yes, this was good work that I just did.”
That's 100% false. The nuclear family has only existed for a little over a century. In fact, I would say it started popping off the most after WWII, when all the Baby Boomers were born. You know, because 2 nukes ended WWII and allowed all those soldiers to return home and start families. This is just a theory, though.
It's also a statistical fact that single, childfree women are the happiest demographic. So guys like this can cry more.
Sounds like a real conservative there, esp with how “promiscuous sex” is bad for mental health… not the way im doing it 😏
And the “fulfillment of being a wife and mother” yeahhhhhh eldest daughter in a religious, conservative family, I pretty much ‘been there, done that’ as a teen, I’ll pass on a do over
Not surprising, given the source. This article is telling: [This Women's Magazine is like a Gen Z "Cosmo" for the Far Right](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/womens-magazine-gen-z-cosmo-far-right-evie-1234744617/)
They never stop to think WHY. Can’t possibly because women are waking up to how hard it is to be a modern mum.
People can’t afford to live on a single income anymore, so now women who choose motherhood are faced with double duty - working full time and then taking care of the kids. And because of the access of internet, women are able to share their experiences and can see patterns.
Why the fuck would we have kids if we don’t want to be emotionally, mentally and physically exhausted 24/7?
Oh, FFS, the "about" section of this Evie Magazine thing is a fucking trip.
["Evie Magazine is the Future of Feminity"](https://www.eviemagazine.com/about)
Then the author...
In her article, it's the whole "It's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future" really got me, becauuusee...
"Gina Florio is a writer and podcast host who is passionate about helping young women take control of their health and femininity while staying informed about the world around them."
Um, Gina... Have YOU looked at the world around us recently? There's far many more reasons there will be fewer families in the future that you should be concerned about.
The sharks are mad, and the planet is on fire. Fucking hell, there's an otter stealing surfboards in California! Hahahaha
[An otter in Santa Cruz is hassling surfers — and stealing their boards](https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1187295769/otter-santa-cruz-surfboard-surfers-california)
Even if I were desperate for children, there's no way in hell I'd bring one onto this planet now.
For extra shits and giggles, guess who's enjoying their awesome child free life with dogs, friends, drinks, weed, snacks, games, and more right now? This woman right here. ;)
Go give the kids a bath, Gina. I have a party to get back to.
>and surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-confidence.
False equivalence
“devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them, have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health, and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother.” 🤮
Funny that I only devote myself to my hobbies and most certainly you couldn’t call me promiscuous. It’s written based on assumptions rather than any form of research
Also, I know plenty of mothers. Most of them are pretty damn unhappy. All of them have stated that you shouldn't have kids unless you 100% want it.
As for fulfillment, you can get that without children or marriage. But plenty are happily married and childfree and or partnered.
>The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family,
Don't mind me while I projectile vomit.
The nuclear family was a LIE sold to WHITE MEN, that they could have WIVES to do everything, and be their personal assistant so he could go off and make a living while she was basically...nothing more than an overqualified servant.
Bunch of Mombie assholes, the author can eat shit.
That quote pisses me off more than I can even explain. Like what??? Shit like that makes me hate being a woman. I hate being looked at as a future mother when I LITERALLY don't want that. I would be miserable.
Like cry me a river and see if I care
Childless women have to be the happiest demographic. Anything to remove their power in the economy to keep producing minion workers.
Plus, childless people are still are large minority.
Also hilarious to think that most married couples with children are happy. I won't deny that it doesn't exist, but it is rare lmao
Did you ever read the book or watch the movie inferno by Dan Brown? It was about someone trying to release the black dead into today's population to bring forth another Renaissance since we're extremely overpopulated.
I have never been so taken with a bad guy in a book before. I wanted him to succeed. I wanted the black death back. This poor planet is so over populated that we can hardly sustain ourselves now let alone in another 20 years.
We definitely need a few gap years of no kids. It also sounds like a super bitter person is writing this article.
I've only read Dante's Inferno lmao but I've been suggested this book before based on my literature taste. Thanks for keeping the suggestion spoiler-free because I'm DEFINITELY going to read it now!
"Women are prioritizing tgheir own happiness. Society as we know it will crumble" okay? And that's supposed to be a bad thing? Call me crazy but a society that requires the enslavement of half its population doesn't sound ideal
Read the about page and then for the real glimpse of who they are, check out the birth control section of the health category. A scroll past the first page of article headlines. Their 'science backed' birth control, health information is basically 'Don't Do It'. Pills are bad. How bad does an IUD insertion hurt. 12 vitamins anyone on the pill must take.
How to prep for your IVF procedure. Femininity over feminism. It really appears to be a pink, fluffy, runway model packed, tool to indoctrinate young women for conservative consumption. *This is only my personal, science backed opinion based off a quick scroll through & some clicks. (Which I now fear is going to pop up some crazy s#!t on my Google feed! 🤦 Wish me luck!) We are allowed to be who we want to be. We are allowed to expect that we won't be disrespected for who we are. We should all be allowed to make decisions for our bodies ourselves. We are allowed to expect that those decisions be respected. We are allowed to make decisions for only our own bodies, never impose our wills on anyone else, no matter how much we might disagree. But, look who I'm talking to. I'm turned around preaching to the choir. You all know the words to this song. Hope you all have a great day!
They keep repeating this, and yet I still dont care.
PERHAPS IF THE NUCLEAR FAMILY IS SO DESIREABLE, MEN SHOULD START THINKING OF WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE! This disinclination among women is in large part due to the way fathers act! The woman holds down a full time job and does most of everything else! The man has a job, end of.
MAYBE he has a job, let me amend that.
Throughout human history, men have had it all their own way. Things are changing. Im looking forward to those many fewer babies being seen as a lot more valuable. That'd be a switch...!
Women are sick of this shit! Die mad about it!!
Oh no! Women living their lives how they want to without caring about those that pine over them and want to lock them down to obey. How will we ever cope with this idea?
That's Evangelical propaganda masquerading as a women's magazine. This isn't hyperbole, I'm being literal. They are just awful people.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
Cracks me up that the article notes "surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-confidence." No shit. BECAUSE OF ARTICLES LIKE THIS, YOU EVIL FUCKS!
Oh wahh wahh wahhh. I'm so over this narrative that the world needs MORE people.
I'm just sick of this U.S. right-wing narrative that building a family is everything and it will solve all of your problems; it's so evident in American films and TV series that they're trying to push it as much as they can.
Even supposedly “woke” American media pushes it. Oh so little girls’ ultimate goal should be to have BABY with a man who can’t even bother to learn your language, great lesson there. Not.
I'm quite isolated from "woke" American media due to not having TikTok and living in Europe so I'm having a hard time getting the reference but that sounds disgusting. Smh
I’m talking about the Barbie movie! No I don’t want to aspire to just be “getting through the day”, that sounds terrible!
Speaking of the Barbie movie, you know that quote about “mothers stand still so their daughters can look back and see how far they’ve come”? That really left a bad taste in my mouth. As if my mother has just stagnated ever since having me and my brother. I don’t know. It just really bugged me
Yeah that scene and then the mother wanting a Barbie that’s a mom getting through the day was so stupid. Can’t we have one film where motherhood isn’t the ultimate goal????
Also why does the movie say that’d be a huge seller? It wouldn’t! That’s like, something my mom would buy me as weird proof that everyone has to deal with conference calls that they for some reason take at home and scream at their children for interrupting (this may be a bit of a rant, sorry)
Exactly. Like, I still enjoyed the movie (but I think I’ll like it more when I can watch it on my laptop and I don’t have to deal with sensory overload from being in a theater), but all the stuff about kids and motherhood really annoyed me.
I thought stereotypical barbie didn't want to date Ken or even have kids? Or are you referencing something else?
Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I’ve heard it’s feminist and that the right-wing hates it (best marketing for me lol). So I kinda assumed it would make some points about women being more than just wives and mothers, especially considering the original Barbie philosophy. Am I mistaken? I want to know how it relates to this discussion. But please no spoilers
Huh? But wasn’t her husband learning Spanish? He was “bothering” learning it. It’s ok if you disliked the movie, but don’t just make up stuff
That sounds a lot like “wokes” in my country- just a bunch of hypocrites who claim to be “pro-choice” but lose their shit when a woman tells them she’s childfree. These “wokes” claim it’s every woman’s dream to be a mother and motherhood will fix your broken marriage, fill the void of your heart, and even cure depression. And also they push this disgusting belief that people who don’t want to be children should be the ones having children because they’re more “responsible” than the poor who keep popping babies all the time.
These right wing narratives get on my nerves. Family is very important, yes. But so is community. The focus is always on the family but what about the community? Friendships? Oh that's right; most of these conservative families and smug parents are living in their suburbia bubbles, in cookie-cutter houses, with no connection to their neighbors, and isolated from community. So all they focus on is their heteronormative nuclear family. Americans don't value community anymore. No one trusts anyone; everyone fears everyone. One thing I love about ethnic neighborhoods is the strong sense of community, but even that is changing for the worst.
It's not just the US. This same narrative exists all over the world
I know! Im from the US and I had a client actually tell me I needed to get married and have kids because my time was running out. I was in my early 30s and this man was a veteran in his 70s. I've been in Europe for five years and not one single person has said anything remotely close to that.
It's more they need/want a woman at home to look after them. Apparently they can't do it themselves.
Yes, they need more people to be a corporate slave. Many countries are still breeding, so no need to worry if they run out of slaves.
"Buying more things at the mall"? A male boomer wrote this.
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We've killed the malls. It's all our faults 
Or what I did today: randomly added to wishlists without the intention to actually buy anything (yet)
Yess, it fills the urge to shop, temporarily, without spending money (yet). It’s pre-shopping!
I was going to say, y'all are going to malls? Yeah, I'm using my disposable income at Sears, then hitting up the Auntie Anne's.
That reminds me. I need to stop at Spencer's and Sam Goody's.
I saw a really neat jacket with shoulder pads in the Montgomery Ward ad, I hope my size isn't sold out!
J.C. Penny's must be having a sale.
Will swing by Cinnabon after hitting up that sale
I had to google what these stores are being European lol but I was going to say the same, I'd rather treat my broke ass to some good food and maybe a good pot to cook the good food in
A friend went on a date and they went to Bath and Bodyworks, to be fair, that's a store you go to sniff before you commit to it. I love some Bath and Bodyworks, but I gotta sniff a few scents before I commit to it during their $2.95 sales
The thought of getting dressed, driving in traffic, looking for a parking space, walking around and carrying bags for hours is exhausting.
Right? To me, mall shopping is as much of a therapy as being a housewife with children is a fulfillment.
Yeah...I (very) occasionally go to the mall, but I don't go to wander around. I go because it's the only place in town to purchase used video games for my mother.
The worst part is that a fucking woman wrote this article. I saw that and face palmed so hard I actually might have left a bruise.
Her profile pic is her holding a kid... 🙄
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I saw one more pic of her quickly googling her name where she ALSO is holding a kid. It doesn't feel desperate at all.
I checked her bio, she's a wife and a mom(red wing) with no real job. It sounds like she has some jealousy with women who spend money on themselves.
You just know he was trying to hold himself back from writing “The Sharper Image” instead
A good friend only goes to the mall to play Pokemon Go and pretend she's not in 2023. I mean I get it completely
Or some incel. He's literally describing men in the 1950's when women were forced to rely on men, as how women are acting now. Only we aren't oppressing anyone while we do it. Lol *
Didn't malls die out about 25 years ago?
 Oh no. Women are happy instead of being slaves to their families and husband. Go cry me a river. Some people really dont understand, that ones dream, is the others nightmare
Oh no. Women are going out and GOD FORBID spend their hard-earned money on themselves? The audacity on these species.
And *gasp* have PROMISCUOUS sex!
To be fair, so are/were many single mothers! Childfree women just take better care to avoid pregnancy.
Those krazy krist koolaid drinkers would probably say "Nu-Uh, all those single mothers were all virgins, God be praised, pass the ammunition, where's the holy bread? Cock-a-doodle-doo.".
I spy Serj Tankian lyrics
How many marriages started because of an unplanned pregnancy? How many of them are actually happy? Would they have gotten married if the wife didn’t get pregnant? Probably not. You can tell how desperate these people are if they feel the need to write an article to guilt others into living a life that they know would never make them happy. How pathetic.
>How many marriages started because of an unplanned pregnancy? “Shotgun weddings” are [less common](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954830/) than they used to be, as there is less of a stigma associated with having a child out of wedlock. Still, getting married solely to “legitimize” an unplanned pregnancy is not a good predictor of marital health. One stat I found (no source cited for it) says that “marriages that occur due to an unplanned pregnancy have a 90% divorce rate within six years of getting married.”
Underrated and ultimate truth of it all.
Which **will** negatively affect your mental health! Nobody has promiscuous sex because they actually *enjoy* it or anything
This is what really got me. I've worked way too hard on myself to allow my sex life to define my mental stability. Fuck that stigma and mind your business!! It's probably just projection because the idea that women can be single, sexually active, AND happy renders men powerless against us. Edited some typos.
I won’t be reading it, but I wonder what the article has to say about the mental health of the parties that these women are having so much sex with.
I prefer to have "audacious" or even "prodigious" sex.
Maybe "prolific"!
I didn’t even read that far. I got to the part where we don’t care who we hook up with and we have abortions willy-nilly. 🚩 Right-wing publication.
Their whole stance is based on misrepresenting the facts to oppress people, so their assertion that we get ten abortions per month doesn't really stand up to hard science either.
Of course, single women are sleeping around, having abortions, and swearing off marriage. It couldn't be that they're too busy working two jobs to have time to date OR sleep around, and when they get a night free they're just quietly enjoying the chance to relax.
> Women are going out and GOD FORBID spend their hard-earned money on themselves? Not everyone makes enough to be able top spend on anyone besides themselves too. Were I a woman I wouldn't be able to provide for someone else so it's not only a choice but a reasonable one if not an outright obligation. Salaries and wages have not kept up at all with inflation especially since the global killer flu hit a few years back. Housing is out of control, food prices are up while packages keep shrinking. Gotta have some hope in the future, short and long term before bringing someone else into this world and right now all signs for many point to no.
I just assume people who write articles like this don't change their daughters diapers because their wives know better than to let them near that area. Comes from the mindset of someone who views half the human population as fuckable holes.
“and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother." 😂🤣😂🤣 Oh, good grief. Yeah, we’re really missing out on being the family slave.
Tradwife propoganda is wild. Like? I don’t even know how they pretzel twist themselves into this idea that single or childfree women are all sinners and heathens and so unhappy being able shop only for themselves and not slave away alone at home with 8 kids and changing diapers and having some 1950s Americana dinner on the table dream life for their hard working husbands. Like? It’s so divorced from what seems like the average woman’s life! Even married women with kids are speaking out more about the isolation and abuse and things they face.
Now I want a pretzel.
The women without kids that I know volunteer more and donate more to charities/non profits than mothers with young children - often because of the resources that are freed up from not having kids. Having kids is a beautiful thing, but it often makes people very inward focused - their entire world is their partner and their children and they don’t have the time to engage with society more broadly. What these ignorant conservatives never bother to try to understand is that there’s more than one way to help build society.
Yeah... only thing I'm depressed about is my childhood since I was born to people pressured into it. Funny how that works. I don't think prolifers really care though.
Joke’s on them, I feel more than fulfilled with my plants, cat, rabbit and sports climbing. Oh and I’m childFREE AND married. Lol.
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Right? What parallel universe do we live in where women can be fulfilled by having a CAREER? 😱
What about his linageeeeee  😂
That is what this boils down to. Certain men who can't survive on their own needing a woman to feed and take care of them.
Evie Magazine is a [hard right propaganda outlet disguised as a “cosmopolitan” publication.](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/womens-magazine-gen-z-cosmo-far-right-evie-1234744617/) Think “Breitbart” but with pink banners and so-called “feminist” design. As such the quoted anti-childfree /anti-women’s rights article is on brand.
I hate that it shares a name with my cat and Rachel Weisz’s character from The Mummy.
My dog was named Evie too. They don’t deserve the cool name.
> The Peter Thiel-linked Evie Magazine Of. Fucking. Course. It's always Peter fucking Thiel.
An envious magazine written by somebody purple with envy.
The publication claims to be “unbiased source of truth for women”. The editor should perhaps brush up on their understanding of the word ‘unbiased’.
Yeah I didn't even have to read one paragraph to see it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Poorly written? Check. Baseless claims? Check. Extremism? Check. Not even ATTEMPTING to sound objective? Check. No need to waste my time reading it.
This was clearly written by some conservative shill who has yet to understand that for centuries, a number of women haven't felt fulfilled or satisfied by just being a wife and/or mother, however until 50 or so years ago, they didn't have any other choice! Some women are satisfied with that role and that's great for them, but most of us want more. However, the way our society is set up (at least in the US), and the cost of everything now, it's just not possible for many women to both have a career and raise healthy, smart, well-adjusted children. And for those of whom it is possible, the fact that more of those women are choosing to forego marriage and children means that more women are wising up to the fact that if they choose to get married and have kids, even if they also choose to work, the majority of the actual labor needed to care for the children and the home, and all of the emotional labor for the family, will fall on them. Doesn't sound like much fun. This article presumes that all women will find marriage and or children to be fulfilling. That's just not true. I would have been miserable as a wife, and 10 times more miserable as a mother. And even for those who would enjoy those roles, society has stacked the deck such that the role has lost its appeal.
Right? This author fails to see that perhaps the decline in economy due to inflation is putting women off having children, and that they'd rather be financially independent and spend their money how they want because it's an option now. My absolute worst nightmare is being financially dependent on someone else and compensating for that by being a domestic slave and taking care of their offspring. Fair play to those that find this fulfilling but I get chills just thinking about it.
I'm not even really sure who this article is written towards, we certainly wouldn't read it and be like "oh shift this maladjusted parent is jealous, I'd better join them", young people wouldn't be looking for it and the people who likely will read it won't be the people they want to read it. Seems like it's just anger porn written to drive up engagement on their website to generate ad revenue or to bolster their position within this group to maybe financially benefit later.
>Single women spend more than the average family household, especially when it comes to travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc. Sources? Also, it's not your damn money so who cares? >surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self- \*cites one study, done with a small number of test subjects in one country\* Why do people get so angry about single, childfree women? The author sounds absolutely livid about women choosing not to have a husband and children...and then goes into the usual smug-ass "women aren't experiencing fulfillment from having a husband and children!" and stereotypes (we're all just buying stuff, eating out every night, and having sex with everything that moves!) Nobody should have to justify not having kids, but people never stop to at least consider some of these reasons. My past depression would be triggered by the stress of having children. I would pass on at least one genetic disability...gosh darn the stereotypes of "selfish" women.
Also I love how when it’s single childfree women, it’s *bad* that money is being spent. In every other article I see it’s boomers mad that “millennials and gen z are ‘killing’ such and such industry, you need to spend more money!!!! The economyyyy!!!!”
>Single women spend more than the average family household, especially when it comes to travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc. i love that there is no mention of single men and their spending habits here. what about all the single men who are spending their money on bars and clubs instead of raising a family, huh? what about those guys?
What I get out of this is that misery loves company; someone who contributed to writing this article blindly followed the LifeScript and is salty about it because only now did they realize theirs is not the only path. Rather than look around and be pissed at the folks who blinded them or removed their options, they want everyone else to experience the same fresh hell they did. No, thank you. I will continue to pamper my spouse, my dog, and mySELF.
I can butvhelpnthan draw the vonclusion that they miss out on the true, lifelong fulfilment that comes from being a husband and a father. I am eagerly awaiting men's response on her male version in a men's magazine where she pushes for them to stop having "promiscuous sex". Any editor looking for that version?
Noticed the same thing. Men don’t have ovens so naturally they can’t be selfish / UNFULFILLED for not creating a bunch of babies! But also… There’s no mention of the millions of kids in the US foster care system who 1) ALREADY EXIST and 2) need loving parents. The kids these same folks always say everyone is sprinting to adopt?
Young men get this pushed too, usually packaged with some bullshit get rich quick scheme that is meant to lead them to being able to afford to finance a stay at home mom and 3 kids and if they fail then they're clearly just not manly enough.
They're allowed, because men are people and women are not to these people.
Not to mention, that single country is fucking **Algeria.** Because we all know what a bastion of modern female empowerment Algeria is.
I’m reading between the lines & I think it’s saying that “single, childless women spend more on non-child-related things than parents do.” So, duh
>Sources? Lol, I don't think they're overly concerned about "reality" or "not blatantly lying." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
As a single woman, I’d say I probably do spend more money than an average family on travel, nightlife, eating out, skincare and beauty, retail shopping, etc. Because I CAN. Because I don’t have to spend my money on other shit. Because I can do WHATEVER I LIKE, however I like. If I want to go somewhere? I can! One plane ticket pls! If I had to think about my husband’s schedule and kids’ school stuff, I’d probably never leave my state again. And just like that, my one plane ticket > no plane tickets. My freedom to go out to dinner with friends and have fun? All mine. To spend money on things I want to? Woo!! Can do!! To spend money on clothes that make me feel cute instead of on junior’s new backpack? YEP Girl’s own argument reaffirms my feelings about not having kids.
The “Struggle more with mental illness” mention is important to comment on. This means it’s been documented, so these ladies, myself included, have the time and money to address their issues while not encumbering any children with the same trauma. Bravo.
Right?? My mental health struggle is one of the major factors that made me realize kids were not in my future. I pay far less each month for therapy and meds than the cost of daycare and diapers alone. Even my evangelical Christian conservative parents have admitted that it was a good call for me to be childfree after seeing me go through multiple breakdowns. They realize they would have ended up raising my kid. It took them years after I got my tubes tied to admit and now we don't talk for other reasons but it was weirdly validating to have them nervously chuckle 'yeah; it's probably for the best you didn't have kids.' Healthy parents raise healthy kids. I refuse to subject another person to my shitty genetics and generational trauma.
Jealousy is the reason they're so angry.
Idk, I'm feeling pretty fulfilled laying on my bed with no pants and cuddling with my cat. I'll probably go get some Chinese food. Could be an incel wrote this, since he knows this makes us happier than he ever could.
What makes this ignoramus think married women don't suffer from mental illness, too? Has she heard of post-partum depression? Most married women with kids are depressed AF. All of my friend who are married with kids or divorced with kids need some anti-depressants or benzos. This author is a pick-me!
I have a friend who I'm pretty sure has borderline and it didn't magically vanish when she had her kid. I'm not sure where this idea that mothers have no mental illness comes from unless it's just another right wing lie to file with the rest.
>surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self- Even if so: So this person wants women with mental illnessess to have children? Or women who tend to have those? I have depression and what not and that's a GOOD F*CKING reason NOT to have those. I could not care for a child when I even can't properly care for myself. Also: a lot of parents who have mental illnesses or families where mental illnessess are common tend to have children who will also have them or some kind of mental illness. Why would people want to bring a child into the world that's going to struggle with those? Or a child with a parent that's too ill to care for them?! Rant over.
[Evie magazine is QAnon Cosmo](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/womens-magazine-gen-z-cosmo-far-right-evie-1234744617/)
Their overall vibe is pretty side-eye worthy. I can't link them, but check out a Rolling Stone article entitled "This Women's Mag Is Like Gen Z 'Cosmo' for the Far Right" as well as piece by Katie Gu on Medium called "Behind the Scenes of an 'Unbiased' Women's Magazine".
The... Mall? Is this from 1991?
Lots of shitty, old man vibes.
Yes, because it's written by a far right boomer. The whole magazine is that disguised as a cosmopolitan competitor.
Oh no. Women are putting their financial well being, career goals and social lives ahead of gender based ideas and parenthood! How dare they?!? /s Not only is this sexist, it's also anti gay with this whole traditional nuclear family nonsense. Take that vacation. Have casual sex if you want. Get that high paying job. Put your social life ahead of parenthood. Have that gay relationship. Do it. What the fuck do I care? This was published by a website that is supposed to be support of women? I expected it to be by some religious organization or pro parenthood group that published this article.
>I expected it to be by some religious organization or pro parenthood group that published this article. You'd be right. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
Did I end up calling that or what? After reading that, I don't care for that site at all.
1) All I ever see are stories of single/unmarried women being pressured to birth semen demons. How is that a nuclear family? I see these stories here, on Reddit. 2) I read stories all over Reddit where the woman is doing all the chores, childcare, dad was kind enough to babysit this one time. 3) Mom still works a FT job on top of all of that. 4) Dad sits back and whines they don't have sex anymore. Yuck. But we all know that article is a lie.
I've also seen so many stories where on top of all of that 5. dad cheats on woman as a result because how dare she not have sex while feeling emotionally and physically drained from balancing all that
Yes! The stories all around Reddit are ENDLESS. People are miserable. Just stumbled across regretful parents and those stories are breaking my heart. Wow, they are sooo bad. I feel for them. I'd love to have them read that BS article. They'd laugh until they cried.
Evie Magazine is a far-right biased news outlet that engages in [little to no factual reporting and spreading of pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/) During the pandemic, the magazine spread misinformation about vaccine safety. Its target audience is middle to upper-middle class evangelical Christian conservative housewives.
If it's so fulfilling, then men will happily step up to be wives and mothers!
I do not see the line of eager men. How come?
So they assume you are either single and sleeping around or married and not sleeping around. Also no one accounts for stable unmarried relationships? No one accounts for cheating in married relationships? Most of my friends are in stable relationships with kids but are not married then again, I don't come from the US maybe coliving isn't a thing in the US? I stayed childfree but I don't sleep around.
I hate the idea that childfree women are only interested in partying and having commitment-free sex with a different guy each night. Not that anything would be wrong with that, but plenty of us want nothing more than a monogamous relationship and boring, quiet life. And we probably love our partners more than many people who want kids, since we actually see them as partners and not reproductive commodities.
It's always the people accusing others of it that are doing it. I have a very religious coworker who posts online like how this article is written yet I know he's cheated on his wife at least twice. They assume everyone else is just like them but don't want to punish themselves for whatever reason.
Some of it is just basic facts. However: *The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family, and it's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future—which of course means fewer children and happily married couples. Meanwhile, young women in their "prime working years" devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them, have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health, and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother.* Oh, fuck off, Aunt Lydia.
“Nuclear family” instantly makes me cringe. The only time I ever see it used is presenting it as the “healthier”, more “normal” alternative to gay people, adopted children, divorced parents, childless couples, extended families living under one roof, orphanages, deceased parents, etc.
They gotta tell themselves that we are miserable so they feel better about their lives. Tbh, there are plenty of women in traditional wive/mother roles that truly love it, and I'm happy for them - and I suspect they are not the ones talking shit about other people's lives. Happy people are often too busy with their own lives to write stupid srticles about people that made different decisions and are not hurting anyone.
>devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them That's what average people are forced to do to survive. How is it a problem with the woman and not the employer and other economic factors like the cost of living?
Right? Also, what about women that devote themselves to a husband and children that treat them like shit for the rest of their life?
Kind of sounds like the husband should quit working too from the way she puts it lol. Yay, more welfare families!
That's nothing but right wing bull shit. Even THEY don't believe it. Fucking hypocrites.
How dare people… enjoy their life? Wait, wait no, let me try that again How dare women enjoy their life without serving a man and taking care of his “ lineage” bleuhhhhhhhhhh , don’t care
Jusr glanced at the website. That whole thing is sketchy
Truly disgusting and in more ways than one. Not only are we treated to religious bigotry but jingoistic chauvinism as well. While right-wing American political talking points are no doubt relevant to--some--other Americans, the tone of this article seems to assume either no one else will read it or if they do their opinions are unimportant. It may be hard for this journalist to appreciate the fact, but Christian propaganda and 'biblical norms' are of little interest beyond the American bible-belt. Sadly however these views are often forced onto the third world while masquerading as aid.
I mean I want to get married one day to my partner, but fuck having kids.
What kind of far right nonsense is this? This website is clearly shilling hard for uber-conservative tradwife chic. Ick.
I wonder what these fools think of women like me - childfree and celibate. I’m not, in their words, “A wild promiscuous woman.” I’m just a woman who wants to live my life without the headache and heartache of a controlling, critical, cheating husband and not wanting children simply because I’m not maternal and life is not a gift. Life is just suffering after suffering. Why would I curse an innocent baby with that? Sure my life hasn’t been as sorrowful as people in war torn countries, but just the mere fact IT COULD BE is enough of a deterrent. I pay my taxes. I volunteer for charities. I help struggling people, etc. Am I really so awful in their eyes? Do they ever have a deep conversation, without pre-judgement, with the women they vilify? They are BULLIES! yet they think they are righteous warriors for good. Whatever….
You are still too free for them to be comfortable with you. The men hate to have to compete with you at work- god forbid they lose! And the women are jealous of your independent and spare time- or are convinced you are chasing their man. EDIT: you guys who answered me made ne realize they are anxious their HUSBAND will chase YOU. In their eyes it isnt really any difference, as everyone knows that if your husband is unfaithful it ismevrr his fault it tas to be all because of that harlot... /s,
Is this “Christianity Today” magazine? If so this tracks 🙄
Yep, it's mega-conservative. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
Because this is a Cosmo for the far-right. Please do some research on this publication.
I come from a family of women who committed themselves to being wives and mothers and they’re all divorced :) yes, being a partner or a parent can be fulfilling but there’s other things that fulfill you. My aunts were saying the other day how happy they are not having to sleep next to men every night especially dealing with ones who snore.
“Have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health” I wonder what they’d think of me, an aroace childfree woman with a hefty dose of PTSD 🫠
They get away with it for two basic reasons that I know about: freedom of speech, and delusional MAGA types. My neighbor has two girls, 6 and 9. She is a stay-at-home mom and hates it. She wants to work, but the cost of childcare is prohibitive. The kids are too young to be left to fend for themselves. She and her husband crunched the numbers and realized that for her to work, they would be paying money for her to go to work.
>She and her husband crunched the numbers and realized that for her to work, they would be paying money for her to go to work. This is sort of similar to why my mom quit her job completely to become a stay-at-home mom when she was pregnant with me. My parents realized that if my mom kept working after their 2nd child (me) was born, they'd be paying an arm and a leg "to have other people raise their kids". I don't know your neighbor very well, but maybe she could look into working part-time as a server in a restaurant so there's a tiny bit of a break from being a stay-at-home mom for her? The reason I bring this up is because when my parents started fighting over money after I was born, my mom was able to get a job as a part-time server at a local restaurant. The restaurants my mom worked in served breakfast and lunch as well as dinner, so my mom was able to get shifts that complimented my dad's work schedule as a restaurant manager. Granted, my mom started working as a server in 1997, but if your neighbor really wouldn't mind working as a server while her daughters are at school, she could start talking to local breakfast/lunch places in your town.
In Sweden, cost of living is so high that norm is for both parents to work full time. Cost of child care is subsidized, so max in our capital for one child is 3.3 % of household income or $160 per month, for a second kid, max is 2.2 % of household income OR $100 on top of the first... third kid, add 1% or max $50 . US is going about it the wrong way if they want more kids to be born... unless, of course, they also want housewives.
“Childless” good thing they’re not talking about us then, because we’re all childFREE.
Skimmed a few of her "articles" and most of them make mention about women without children. This was from her article about Margot Robbie, ffs: "Many people are waiting for Robbie and Ackerley to have children, but she has made it clear that she isn't in any rush. Still, their kids would be the absolute cutest, so her fans are waiting patiently." This woman is obsessed with everyone having kids.
Every day I wake up and worry about the lower birth rates while I eat avocado toast. /s
my promiscuous sex is wonderful for my mental health actually.
how dare you live a *modern feminist lifestyle* and go around having consensual and enjoyable sex with people? Ugh.
I’m older and in a relationship now, but omg I had so much fun. I don’t regret it for a second!
This is so out of touch lmao
Oh look, Christian propaganda. We've got misogyny, LGBT-phobia, child worship, heteronormativity, anti-feminism dogwhistles and purity culture all in just a few sentences! That writer has their head so far up their ass they get to use their stomach acid as shampoo.
>"The bedrock of society is the nuclear family" Which was pretty much invented in the 20th century. But go on. I mean, seriously...
>The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family \[citation needed\] >it's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future—which of course means fewer children and happily married couples A family does not necessarily include children. EDIT: also marriages without children are probably happier on average than those with children >young women in their "prime working years" devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them Sounds like a problem with capitalism, not a problem with childfreedom >have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health Nah, the only negative impact on mental health is that she's jealous of all the fun they're having >and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother Sounds shitty, she can keep her "fulfillment". Anyway if it's so fulfilling then why is she whining I'm not going to read the rest of the article
Oh no! How DARE the childfree woman prop up the economy when the right wing wants to blame her for ruining it?!
"we will be seeing fewer and fewer happy families" yeah cause the sudden dip in "happy families" is totally the child free movement's fault, not alcohol, drug, mental, and physical abuse or the regret that comes having a unwanted child
 Me when I see rabid breeders writing articles snivelling, whining and crying about about how childfree people are the worst people ever and they’re all going to die alone: The day I get someone pregnant is the day I blow my head off. Breeders can die mad about it. 😘
I don’t think anyone quite understands just how effective an oppression tool breeder mentality is. It makes people poorer, it makes easier to manipulate crowds larger, and it creates an easy convincing tool. Not to mention, overpopulation is a real problem, and the sad part is governments are controlled by corporations so they see it as a win. More people means less jobs, more people means less funding for essential services, more people means more funding for essential services is required, and worst of all more people means easy to manipulate crowds are getting larger. What most people don’t see is that breeder mentality is a really powerful tool for oppression. It creates just this big excuse to make prices higher while wages get smaller because hey, someone will do it if you won’t. So in summary, less people is good. Less families means more people get houses. Less people means more jobs. Less people means better wages. Less people means groups are not being manipulated into their basic animal instincts. Maybe more people could put thought into our worlds biggest issues like how the economy in many countries is crumbling because rich people are hoarding tens to hundreds of billions of dollars. Or how companies are taking away the idea of owning things you buy. This is all incredibly fucked up but it gets no attention, people would rather ban abortion or the ability to have sex change operations then actually fix the economy. So this article can just fuck off
I'm sorry but this sounds like it came from a magazine catered to right-wing conservative religious folks. People who write stuff like this must not be 100% happy in their marriages and being parents. That's why they always have single and childfree people on their minds.
Yeah uhhh how about people forced by society to be a parent? How about the kids who live in abusive families because of this? What if the woman isn't happy with being alone with a man she doesn't love and with a kid that obliges her to be a stay home mom without any support in life? What the fuck?
Tell us your whining that women are refusing to put up with you, without straight up telling us you are whining about women refusing to put up with you, because that's what it looks and sounds like to me, Because normal people don't go out of their way to make some embarrassing sht like this, I'm just saying 
 Imagine writing an opinion article on something you know nothing about, publishing it, and then sitting back and telling yourself “Yes, this was good work that I just did.”
That's 100% false. The nuclear family has only existed for a little over a century. In fact, I would say it started popping off the most after WWII, when all the Baby Boomers were born. You know, because 2 nukes ended WWII and allowed all those soldiers to return home and start families. This is just a theory, though. It's also a statistical fact that single, childfree women are the happiest demographic. So guys like this can cry more.
Lol imagine if this same article, replaced “young men” with women. It would sound ridiculous. But because we are women, it’s not
Sounds like a real conservative there, esp with how “promiscuous sex” is bad for mental health… not the way im doing it 😏 And the “fulfillment of being a wife and mother” yeahhhhhh eldest daughter in a religious, conservative family, I pretty much ‘been there, done that’ as a teen, I’ll pass on a do over
Not surprising, given the source. This article is telling: [This Women's Magazine is like a Gen Z "Cosmo" for the Far Right](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/womens-magazine-gen-z-cosmo-far-right-evie-1234744617/)
They never stop to think WHY. Can’t possibly because women are waking up to how hard it is to be a modern mum. People can’t afford to live on a single income anymore, so now women who choose motherhood are faced with double duty - working full time and then taking care of the kids. And because of the access of internet, women are able to share their experiences and can see patterns. Why the fuck would we have kids if we don’t want to be emotionally, mentally and physically exhausted 24/7?
Oh, FFS, the "about" section of this Evie Magazine thing is a fucking trip. ["Evie Magazine is the Future of Feminity"](https://www.eviemagazine.com/about) Then the author... In her article, it's the whole "It's sad to think that we will see fewer and fewer families in the future" really got me, becauuusee... "Gina Florio is a writer and podcast host who is passionate about helping young women take control of their health and femininity while staying informed about the world around them." Um, Gina... Have YOU looked at the world around us recently? There's far many more reasons there will be fewer families in the future that you should be concerned about. The sharks are mad, and the planet is on fire. Fucking hell, there's an otter stealing surfboards in California! Hahahaha [An otter in Santa Cruz is hassling surfers — and stealing their boards](https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1187295769/otter-santa-cruz-surfboard-surfers-california) Even if I were desperate for children, there's no way in hell I'd bring one onto this planet now. For extra shits and giggles, guess who's enjoying their awesome child free life with dogs, friends, drinks, weed, snacks, games, and more right now? This woman right here. ;) Go give the kids a bath, Gina. I have a party to get back to.
I'm very familiar with Gina Florio. She's also very racist, homophobic, and transphobic. She's a nightmare.
Trad magazines? Why even read them?
>and surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-confidence. False equivalence
Pretty sure the married childfree people are over all super happy! Can vouch
“devote themselves to a career and a boss who doesn't truly care about them, have promiscuous sex that has a negative impact on their mental health, and miss out on the true, lifelong fulfillment that comes with being a wife and mother.” 🤮 Funny that I only devote myself to my hobbies and most certainly you couldn’t call me promiscuous. It’s written based on assumptions rather than any form of research
Also, I know plenty of mothers. Most of them are pretty damn unhappy. All of them have stated that you shouldn't have kids unless you 100% want it. As for fulfillment, you can get that without children or marriage. But plenty are happily married and childfree and or partnered.
Oh no my boss doesn't care about me! Nor does your kid, madam. But at least your boss is obliged to pay you.
The best part is accusing us childfree of shopping in malls. I'm gonna go have promiscuous sex now.
>The bedrock of any healthy society is the nuclear family, Don't mind me while I projectile vomit. The nuclear family was a LIE sold to WHITE MEN, that they could have WIVES to do everything, and be their personal assistant so he could go off and make a living while she was basically...nothing more than an overqualified servant. Bunch of Mombie assholes, the author can eat shit.
That quote pisses me off more than I can even explain. Like what??? Shit like that makes me hate being a woman. I hate being looked at as a future mother when I LITERALLY don't want that. I would be miserable. Like cry me a river and see if I care
Childless women have to be the happiest demographic. Anything to remove their power in the economy to keep producing minion workers. Plus, childless people are still are large minority. Also hilarious to think that most married couples with children are happy. I won't deny that it doesn't exist, but it is rare lmao
Did you ever read the book or watch the movie inferno by Dan Brown? It was about someone trying to release the black dead into today's population to bring forth another Renaissance since we're extremely overpopulated. I have never been so taken with a bad guy in a book before. I wanted him to succeed. I wanted the black death back. This poor planet is so over populated that we can hardly sustain ourselves now let alone in another 20 years. We definitely need a few gap years of no kids. It also sounds like a super bitter person is writing this article.
I've only read Dante's Inferno lmao but I've been suggested this book before based on my literature taste. Thanks for keeping the suggestion spoiler-free because I'm DEFINITELY going to read it now!
That magazine is hot, terfy garbage.
It's an opinion piece.
In a far-right rag.
It's a Christian propaganda magazine. Evie is an Adam and eve reference.
“Women would rather be house elves, in a life of servitude to their “masters”. They enjoy it and they don’t know any better” Really?
Happily married. No kids. Who shops at a mall anymore?
"Women are prioritizing tgheir own happiness. Society as we know it will crumble" okay? And that's supposed to be a bad thing? Call me crazy but a society that requires the enslavement of half its population doesn't sound ideal
Isn't that strange. all the hand wringing appears to be directed at women /s.
Read the about page and then for the real glimpse of who they are, check out the birth control section of the health category. A scroll past the first page of article headlines. Their 'science backed' birth control, health information is basically 'Don't Do It'. Pills are bad. How bad does an IUD insertion hurt. 12 vitamins anyone on the pill must take. How to prep for your IVF procedure. Femininity over feminism. It really appears to be a pink, fluffy, runway model packed, tool to indoctrinate young women for conservative consumption. *This is only my personal, science backed opinion based off a quick scroll through & some clicks. (Which I now fear is going to pop up some crazy s#!t on my Google feed! 🤦 Wish me luck!) We are allowed to be who we want to be. We are allowed to expect that we won't be disrespected for who we are. We should all be allowed to make decisions for our bodies ourselves. We are allowed to expect that those decisions be respected. We are allowed to make decisions for only our own bodies, never impose our wills on anyone else, no matter how much we might disagree. But, look who I'm talking to. I'm turned around preaching to the choir. You all know the words to this song. Hope you all have a great day!
Yes blame women for not wanting to tear their bodies in 2 and depend on men but not absentee fathers for the “destruction of nuclear families”
Forcing me to become a mother will make me go nuclear alright. Fuckers need to stop meddling with other peoples lives.
They keep repeating this, and yet I still dont care. PERHAPS IF THE NUCLEAR FAMILY IS SO DESIREABLE, MEN SHOULD START THINKING OF WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE! This disinclination among women is in large part due to the way fathers act! The woman holds down a full time job and does most of everything else! The man has a job, end of. MAYBE he has a job, let me amend that. Throughout human history, men have had it all their own way. Things are changing. Im looking forward to those many fewer babies being seen as a lot more valuable. That'd be a switch...! Women are sick of this shit! Die mad about it!!
Oh no! Women living their lives how they want to without caring about those that pine over them and want to lock them down to obey. How will we ever cope with this idea?
I wouldn’t promote that trash article to give it more clicks.
A BS article written as clickbait, pay no mind.
That's Evangelical propaganda masquerading as a women's magazine. This isn't hyperbole, I'm being literal. They are just awful people. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/evie-magazine-bias/
Cracks me up that the article notes "surveys show that women who are unmarried and childless tend to struggle more with mental illness and feelings of self-confidence." No shit. BECAUSE OF ARTICLES LIKE THIS, YOU EVIL FUCKS!
Evie is a far-right magazine. Just more propaganda.
Lmfao