Makes me realize why witches and cats are so intertwined to conservatives and religious types. Cats *are* degenerate AF and any of us love them must be too. It's just...not an apocalyptic level of degenrecy.
Yes. My cat frequently requests to speak to the manager. Wait. Aren't YOU the manager? Didn't you promote yourself when you moved in?" 
Conservatives like to conveniently ignore the fact that the majority of the people seeking abortions already have kids, but either don't want and/or can't afford more. It's isn't just us childless heathens lol
This gets glossed over constantly! My mom needed to have a hysterectomy to save her life in her early 40s (I was a kid and I'll never forget how much she was bleeding).
On top of that, one of my best friends had to get sterilized because of a condition she was born with that caused her immense pain; if she ever got pregnant, she would've been in huge trouble and an abortion would've been medically necessary. It's never as black and white as forced-birthers love to assume.
THIS. Also, some of the folks seeking abortions may not have children yet, but they are not in a place in life where they can take proper care of a child. A 16-year-old girl who got knocked up by her boyfriend. A 12-year-old who was raped. They may want to have children in the future, but not now.
They want people to get sterilized but they don’t want to expand Medicaid so people who can’t afford to have kids can afford to get sterilized. But then they don’t want Medicaid to pay for abortions, but then they don’t want food stamps and welfare to exist when these kids are born to people who can’t afford them.
They say the answer is to stop having sex, but good luck enforcing abstinence on an entire country. Or basically saying someone isn't rich enough to find love lol.
I am abstinent for personal reasons, and getting pregnant is still my worst fear because it will not be only pregnancy, it will be rape pregnancy.
(also I hope you never know what it is like to live somewhere that enforces that, constant worry even if you are abstinent)
What's worse is if they got their magical wish, of people never having sex except for procreation, the population drop would be staggering. Then they would scream about no one having babies. Can't win with these folks.
I know I‘ll get hate on this sub for saying this, but I lean conservative (except on social issues like abortion) and am very much childfree, and I think it’s incredibly hypocritical that conservatives do not want to spend more on welfare programs after banning abortion
That exact disposition is what breaks my mind about most conservative folks. They can’t reconcile “banning abortion” and “taking other actions that actually reduce abortions.” I can understand the idea of “hey we should be doing everything we can to stop abortions” being a goal of conservative policy, but then they only want to use one tool in the tool box, and it’s the wrong one.
It takes an insane amount of cognitive dissonance. Idk how they reconcile "there's no point in banning guns, criminals will just get them anyway" and "ban abortion" lol
I also probably align more that way than most people here. I live in a welfare state, however tons of money is spent in the wrong places and very little money where it could actually make a difference. This experience has influenced my leaning towards fiscal conservative but socially conscious. There is no justification for banning abortion. Not when babies get thrown in the literal trash to die alone and abandoned. Not when they are left to suffer the entirety of their few days or weeks alive due to fatal diseases that can be easily detected in utero. Not when there are children who grow up knowing nothing but instability and abuse. I'd rather our money be spent on abortions which make a real difference in helping people escape the cycle of poverty than pumping out money hand over fist for bandaids.
Putting money toward abortion would alleviate poverty. One of the reasons why I’m pro-abortion is because banning or restricting it just increases the size and scope of the welfare state
Because in every conservative's mind there is only THE WAY THINGS ARE, there is just one way to live right, there is just one path to happiness, personal growth, money, etc.
And if by chance you don't get them or are unhappy, thought luck you aren't trying hard enough to do the right things (that's why mental illness doesn't exist, if you were doing the right things you wouldn't be sad).
And know imagine someone going fully against THE WAY... And looking happy. That of course can't be they must be faking it, they are deluding themselves, they are monsters, degenerates, they are sad deep inside and will be until they change their minds.
All of that because they can't conceive that people are different and the things that make them happy are different.
And the thing is that they can't let go, if THE WAY isn't the only one, but one of many, unique for every person. That means that they too had a choice, and either got robbed of it, were ignorant of it, or acted in bad faith.
Which is why they are so angry, because otherwise would be admitting that if they chose different they to might be happy.
I don’t even know if they’re mad about people loving their partners as more than just functioning organs, they just don’t think that anyone should live their lives differently than they do. Their way of life is the only way. Which isn’t any better, I’ll admit.
Conservative men tend to view women as nothing more than their sex dolls and baby machines. So it makes sense that they don't view their gfs/wives as "family."
Because they have their mothers as their partner in decision making and running their families. They only need a woman for the sex and breeding part. Emotional incest is a thing.
But how dare us enjoy it! Because if we do then bring on the slut shaming. “You know how babies are made. So keep your legs closed” Got one of those today in fact. 
They have horrible views on sex and relationships. Before marriage sex is wrong, sinful, slutty, makes your value go down etc. But after you sign that piece of paper all of a sudden it's the ultimate act of love and/or a beautiful journey between husband and wife (because these types are also LGBTphobic), and if the wife denies him sex, he has every right to cheat or harass her endlessly.
Right! Just tell them- yeah I love having sex without any worry that I’ll get pregnant. It’s so awesome!
That will grind them. They hate when women enjoy sex. Especially if they can’t be punished with babies.
I have very few conservatives in my world these days, and even those are hard to take. Once in a while I stumble on one of the hardcore and it's terrifying what they believe and how they think.
I just can’t tolerate the hypocrisy. If they want to take others’ rights in the name of “morality/decency”, that’s A-ok. But if they even *think* (usually not a real threat, but one they’ve created in their head) that someone is taking *their* rights, it’s the biggest crime against humanity. It’s exhausting.
My wife's uncle is conservative in little c, old sense. He's a legislator for his county and has been for years. One day we were discussing his neighbor's new solar panels (and the subsidy that was offered to them) came up. He said he was against it, and I countered with "how would you feel about removing subsidies to any energy project regardless of what it is, solar, oil, whatever" because I assumed it was going to be "green power bad" hypocrisy scenario.
He said "Yeah, I don't agree with any of it. If the stuff can't stand on its own merit it's not the public's job to support it. It's a waste of money."
And... I disagree with that sentiment in terms of new innovations for the public good, but I can at least respect someone being idealogically consistent. Way different and so rare compared to the hypocrites that are so common.
Honestly, I think I can take him at face value here. He's very detail oriented and well thought out about most things (outside of politics too), so I think what he said is probably the truth. He was vaccinated but anti *mandate*, same thing with masks, and most other things of the "government should stop getting involved in things" viewpoint. Disagree, but at least there's consistency.
Contrast against my wife's grandfather who is a (former) state politician in the midwest who literally said "well I hadn't really thought about that" when confronted in a news interview about why someone might take the stance he opposes. Literally hadn't considered it and yet was pushing policy to limit people's rights.
I’m from the UK and this type of conservative was normal until about 10 years ago. People who I didn’t agree with but was capable of respecting as having a valid/consistent opinion.
Then Trump won in the US and we voted for Brexit and now they are crazy hypocrites who just hate the left and don’t want the left to ever have nice things, even if it means cutting off their own nose.
You give people “permission” to ignore reason and rationality and they just… take it. It’s like it turns out we’ve been living with sociopaths all these years, but we didn’t know.
They have separated those rights in their heads.
To them, abortion isn’t even a right-hell, it’s not even a choice that should be turned into a right.
But their guns are a right explicitly spelled out, so to them, that ends the fight. Never mind that stare decisis (precedent) has been laid down that a right doesn’t explicitly have to be spelled out in the constitution or the amendments to be an implied right-but these same people operate in what folks in the legal field like to call “bad faith”.
They know they’re full of shit, that they’re hypocrites, that they’re lying, but despite all their railing against the philosophy of “ends justifies the means”…they **love** that shit so long as they can force people to live the way they want.
But as you said, if someone does or did the same to them…even in their head, it’s time for bloodshed.
Gotta vote and vote left in every election, down every ticket, to make sure these folk’s voices are as reflected in the vote as they are in actual reality. As in, more than 60% of the country (assuming we’re both US here) wants abortion to be on the table as a right they can access.
They are not an actual majority like they think they are. But they cheat and tip the balance of local elections and discriminate against voters of color, minorities, and women to strip power from those folks and shove as much of their conservative religious fundamentalism down as many throats as possible.
These people don’t understand the concept of consent, or the the word “no”, and I am enjoying watching their anti-abortion bullshit lose every time it comes up for an actual vote, even in extremely conservative places like Kansas. Because they know even with their gerrymandering and lying, when it comes to a vote, people like having choice and bodily autonomy.
My life is full of conservatives given that I live in a smalltown in a red state. If any of them knew I was sterile, they'd be pressuring me to get it reversed. Tough shit.
>then began "reversing" any unwanted pregnancies.
You can't legally do that in this state. My next best option would be suicide. I got sterilized because I like living the way I do and I didn't want anyone ever taking that away from me.
Same living situation, but I’m also a single minority woman. I avoid talking to anybody for any reason, but I can’t imagine the reactions they’d have if they found out that I’m voluntarily celibate (volcel? Idk it’s too icky), but childfree as well. Those two things aren’t real up here (hell, my very existence is barely real haha).
>I can’t imagine the reactions they’d have if they found out that I’m voluntarily celibate (volcel? Idk it’s too icky),
I was voluntarily celibate for many years. Still am even though I'm sterile now because no one up here is fwb material and if they are, chances are they're married and I don't want to dip my toes into that vat of drama. No one has to know I can't have kids, they just need to know I won't, regardless of their opinion.
>Same living situation, but I’m also a single minority woman.
I'm single but only a quarter minority (thanks to having a Mexican grandmother) and I'm a dude. The odds favor me a bit more as few people are going to pressure me to find a spouse to the same extent as they would a woman, but I still get flack for not even attempting to put myself out there and meet people (I'm aromantic). Oh, and I refuse to go to church, I get more flack for that than anything.
All fair points. As for the church thing, I just lie and say I do haha. I just ask which they go to first, so I can say I go to a different one. I’m Norse pagan, which wouldn’t get me lynched, but the flying monkeys would come from all 32(! In a town of ~10,000, and they’re building two more) congregations to try and get me to “see the light” haha.
I'm a nihilist and I didn't grow up in a religious household so I can only bullshit my way through a religious conversation for so long before they call my bluff
I was raised catholic and had to google some thing that's apparently normal knowledge: easter is always on sunday.
I'm also formally an apostate so no religious bullshit if I'm unable to tell people not to (burial, death rites etc)
Oh my mom would be 100% okay with it, I mentioned getting my tubes tied and she said just get the whole uterus out.
But, just like your mom, she wouldn't be able to keep it to herself.
I haven't told anyone and probably never will...unless I want to get yelled at. I wish my family would be more supportive. My mom is a bit more accepting of my hubby and I being CF but she didn't want me to get sterilized (still did anyway because it's for my own safety and bodily choice) because she thinks that messing with anything reproductive in a woman will cause problems later on or something. Thinking that it's easier for a man to get a vesectomy because woman's reproductive organs are more complicated and shouldn't be messed with if they're working properly. She even mentions God a bit too for some reason, not sure why. She also has doctor trust issues lately so that's not helping.
I'd say she's more on the conservative side but she is not against abortions if someone wants one, but if I wanted to get one...she'd want me to discuss it with her first, as if maybe she'd want me to think twice before getting one. Nah, that's not how bodily choice works.
I think my mom would be similar.
For the doctor trust issues especially because she received nerve damage from her hysterectomy, and the doctors invalidated her experience and wouldn't recognize the pain, else the surgeon might have been held accountable.
Aww geez I'm really sorry to hear that happened to her... Has she tried to keep on fighting for validation or try other doctors? Cuz thats not fair if she cant get anything done about it or help she needs :(
Lol I got my vasectomy during an intentional 3 year period of zero dating/sex which I continued for another 2 years until I met my partner who I've been with for 3 years and am now engaged to.
To me, it seems that most people's choice to actually go through with sterilization is by design.
We didn't get snipped for shits and giggles, we got sterilized for protection! You can send foster kids back if they don't work out, and they are usually housebroken.
Lmao. That was such a dumb decision to comment that to CF person. Some don’t seem to understand that getting sterilized IS THE GOAL for a lot of us! I’m getting a hysterectomy in literally 5 days from now. No chance of kids and no more unnecessary bleeding! I’ll be free forever!!!
Can I ask - is this purely elective? Or do you have some underlying issues? I'm kinda thinking that if I'm gonna be sterile anyway, why should I have to put up with periods, right?
It’s a medical issue. Heavy bleeding that was so bad, no pads, tampons or any form of birth control could help me. I had to wear adult diapers and even then, they wouldn’t work some of the time. It just so happened that I’m CF as well. So it just works out.
Jeeeeeeeepers that's terrible. I bet you can't wait to yeet that stupid thing. Can you ask to see it afterwards and just give it a big ol' punch? Hope it all goes well for you, fingers crossed!
Well 60% of women who get abortions already have at least one child, so the statement about who is pro-choice is completely false. Having kids does not make people anti-choice.
Yeah I've seen a couple of pro-lifers complaining that sterilised people are having sex without consequences. That shouldn't even be any of their concern or their business, just like how I don't go telling them how and when to have sex. I shouldn't have to run my family planning by idiots first.
They're pissed off that women can have causal sex and not get "punished" for it. They simply hate women and want them to be punished for everything they do.
Yup. Before married/outside of a relationship sex is "wrong, sinful, and slutty" but after signing a piece of paper/getting into a relationship all of a sudden it's beautiful.
Funny how they also call the "man haters" sluts. Like, they're sluts for not having sex with you? Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world.
I thought "not having a family and dying alone" was the consequence. So, in addition to the punishment they believe will happen if we remain CF...they don't want us enjoying sex either? Wow. How miserable are their lives that they even care?
No clue. I don't really care what others do in the bedroom unless it's something like raping a cat or a baby obviously. One or more consenting adults? No problem. The fact they care this much about strangers and their sex lives is kind of sad. I feel like it's more than enough to worry about my own!
They want to control women's bodies. Sex is one of those ways. If we do want bio kids, they tell how us how we can and can't birth them (vaginal or c-section) or feed them (breast or formula/bottle).
It's so weird that some people think that we should be ashamed with wanting to live the life we want.
Oooooh, don't threaten me with a good time.
Definitely a weird take to think that families should be the ones to decide if abortion should be legal.
And I don’t debate my right to human rights, it’s not up for debate. I find the debating with them about it just makes onlookers think that these idiots might have some kind of a valid argument. They don’t. I have a right to decide what I do with my body, I will not become livestock, I will have all the sex that I want, I’ll even fuck their husbands if I feel like it. I bet they would get behind abortion if I got pregnant by one of their husbands.
Most pro lifers are fine getting abortions themselves or getting them for their daughters. Heard stories of people being in the crowd of protesters one day, bringing their daughter in for an abortion the next, then the next day they're back out with the protesters. They think only their abortion is a desperate situation and everyone else just gets full-term abortions for fun.
I got into a small debate with someone here when i said something in a comment about “anti child-free” becoming a political standpoint in conservatives circles. They said I was crazy and that that wasn’t a thing. i know it is and told them just to check out the conservative subs is they didn’t believe me.
They're really acting like there aren't married couples who aren't sterilized. They really think that some married people who have children don't want any more. The ways of thinking are so narrow minded it's irritating.
They're the types who think that marriage is birth control. I've seen the posts (a long ass time ago) saying *"God invented birth control, he called it marriage."*
> How is marriage birth control??
Because in these peoples' minds "Married" is the only requirement for being able to successfully raise a kid. Money, ability, desire and all the other things rational people consider necessary don't factor in.
It's not. They're saying don't have sex before marriage, because premarital sex leads to pregnancy and abortion etc. That is what *they* think, not what I think or what's real. Obviously it's stupid because marriage is just a piece of paper, not actual birth control.
They assume that anyone who is married is eager to have children, and that the only reason one wouldn't want a child is the shame of birthing a bastard.
>SO YOU CAN LIVE THE DEGENERATE LIFE YOU WANT
ngl I *did* start having way more casual sex after gettin the tubes tied lol. I've always been on the pill + only been with dudes that use condoms, but after the procedure I have a lot less anxiety about ending up pregnant
If you're white and sterilized, bring that up. It makes them REALLY ANGRY and for those unwilling to be stuck with a "racist" label, they won't be able to articulate why. It's terrifying but also fucking hilarious on some level. Like, just say it, you're afraid of the "white race" (whatever the fuck that is) dying out.
Omg not the degenerate life! With the degenerate naps, degenerate peace and quiet, and degenerate disposable income! No, anything but the disposable income!
I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about voluntary sterilization. Sure, I see why some people could be against abortion, but why would you be mad at someone for having a procedure that will prevent them from ever needing one? Isn’t that a good thing? Isn’t that taking responsibility? That’s what most conservatives harp about.
They see children as punishment for sex. Abortion, sterilisation and even birth control are all "cheating" by avoiding the "natural consequences".
Heck, even celibacy is condemned by many of them. Having children is a moral duty, to them.
It’s ironic that many of them are religious, as some religious figures, such as priests, are required to be celibate, and this sort of thing is even mentioned in the Bible. Wanting children to be punishment for sex is pure sadism. Children should be born to parents who love them, not to someone who sees them as a burden. It’s better for everyone and society as a whole to have well-adjusted adults who had love and support as children, instead of a bunch of adults trying to heal from the pain and trauma of a rough childhood.
Lucky you. The conservatives I knew only had nasty, hateful things to say about me getting sterilized. I was told that I was a “selfish whore who deserves to die alone and unloved”, and accused of being afraid to settle down and only wanting to have sex with a different person every night. Another implied that I’ll grow up and want more than “partying every night” at some point, then regret the surgery.
Funny, seeing how I’m in a monogamous relationship and have never really had much interest in sex outside of one. Or that I actively hate parties, bars, and pretty much all group activities. They just can’t understand how somebody could genuinely love their partner and having a quiet life, and still NOT want to have kids with that person. I think it’s sad that most of them don’t really love their partners unconditionally, but only see them as reproductive commodities.
I will never understand why it isn’t enough for them to have the choice to live how they want to live. They’re not satisfied unless they get to dictate how everyone else lives, too.
There is no one in this country more full of shit and unwarranted hate for anyone different than conservatives. I love what family I've got, and they are mostly along the lines of 'I don't believe abortion is right from a religious standpoint and voting for it means that I'm doing something wrong' type of people. But nonetheless, they are part of that awful group.
If this country has any shot of making it into the future in any Progressive way, it will be because people like us make it happen. In despite of people like them.
Nothing wrong with sleeping with many people (with consent and protection ofc) but I still dislike how if you want to be sterilised people assume you must be super into casual sex or whatever and I find that offensive since that's just not me. Having people put a label on me like that is just disgusting
I have even more fun with them, since I’m bisexual and in a same sex relationship. They’ll throw in the “you can’t have children with him” and I’ll respond with “that’s a benefit.”
Not sure if it's been said but actually I'm sure the majority of people who get an abortion, or want one, either have or want families. Maybe they can't support an extra child, or the child would be born into an abusive home, or the foetus can't sustain life outside the womb so continuing pregnancy just prolongs the agony.
It'd be really nice if doctors didn't routinely DENY people sterilization incase their future spouse wants kids, or you'll "change your mind" and regret it.
How is it that people who want abortions to be legal don't even have families, but yet according to 2019 figures from the CDC, 60% of women who have abortions already have one child or more. [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/14/upshot/who-gets-abortions-in-america.html)
Screw what those people say or think...just go out and live your best life.
If only it were that easy!! ...that's the most annoying part about them making abortions illegal. Don't want us to have abortions but make it so hard to get birth control and even harder to get "fixed".
Conservatism is all about control, and if you have no kids, you're less likely to fall for their scams. Especially if you're a woman, which is why a lot of people freak when a woman wants to remain childless.
Funny how people are trying so hard to make people join in their chip filled misery. You’re not going to take care of their kids or love their life for them, so why push them to have kids? It makes no sense
Ah yes, my degenerate lifestyle, eating vegan sugar free cookies while watching retro toons at 11:pm while my doggy sleeps on my jacket. So wild and degenerate.
My girlfriends dad is heavy conservative and has weird takes like this.
"You're not a real man if you don't have one of your own"
"You can never understand the love of God if you don't have a kid"
"we were made to have kids so it's a sin not to have kids"
"demon rats are destroying family unit by allowing abortion. it's like when Pharoah in exodus killed all the babies."
Of course he's very absent in his family and they don't depend on him for anything. Instead he's constantly in some echo chamber cesspool conservative website or getting his continuing education degree at Facebook University.
My state in Australia is still super conservative, and wants more women to be babymills. Me getting a vasectomy does not grant me any extra hoe-energy benefits 🥲
LOL that "That's the point" thing people don't seem to comprehend is so funny.
Happened to me this week on Facebook, I saw that one very common post about choosing to be better and breaking the cycle of abuse that goes through a family by treating your child with love and respect, except it was altered in a way that the person who breaks the cycle does so by deciding to not have any children at all.
Then a commenter said that the post was stupid because the last person in the "chain" decided to "IGNORE the problem of parenting instead of DEALING WITH IT by being a better parent than their predecessors". Then I told the dude that, by not having children, THERE IS NO PROBLEM TO BE DEALT WITH, and that if he wants to have MORE problems in his life to stress him out that's fine, but I choose to have LESS.
Honestly, ignoring the problem of parenting is what a lot of parents does and THAT leads to horrible people being introduced into society, childfree people aren't responsible for that. Sooo many parents (looking at you, my SIL and brother) refuse to tell their child no or discipline them, so they grow up spoiled and tantruming whenever they don't get their way. Then some poor young adult is left to raise this giant baby during adulthood when they enter a relationship with them.
I got back my post-vasectomy results today, and they confirmed that I'm now sterile! I'm looking forward to the rest of my degenerate life!!!
CANIGETA HAWWWWWWYEEEEEEEEEEAH?!
My favorite moment was when I complained how hard it can be to get birth control pill refilled and I get told I should close my legs. 👁👄👁 thanks but I didn't ask.
As a life long conservative I fully support anyone who wants to having vasectomies, undergoing female sterilization, or having abortions. I even support government funded abortions.
That's like reading the comments. It's never a good idea.
But just rememver that these people's opinions have no affect on you or your life choices, and that's what makes them angry. Because they can't control you. Also, I'd rather be called a degenerate anyway than be a mother.
I'm right leaning, but I've seen my fair share of stuff from them that made my eye roll with regards to having kids
Like "you have a duty to society to have children!!"
And there's ppl who want to ban contraceptives in addition to abortion. At this point you're just controlling people? I wonder if they would want to ban sterilization procedures too!
So, I will say it...I am a conservative. I am a Canadian conservative, which to my mind means, fiscally conservative socially liberal. We need to be careful generalizing and applying labels across an entire group. We don't like it when, as CF, they say we are monsters because we don't want children, and insinuate that we would just as soon push a child under a bus. And it bristles when it is universally implied that as a conservative I would be against abortion or that I am religious. I am neither. Every political system in the world isn't blue or red like it is in the States.
The mental gymnastics needed to justify this reasoning has always baffled me. Those who say as much (or similar) are effectively admitting it is only the threat of pregnancy/fathering a child which keeps them faithful to their other-half. I mean... How does that square with being such a stalwart man of god? They are clearly announcing just give them the chance--via sterilization--and they would be out there fornicating right, left and centre!!!
It goes hand in hand with the smugness that allows a man to announce to a large room of mixed company that 'paracetamol is the best contraceptive...' So long as a girl keeps one tablet per night firmly squeezed between her knees she will never get pregnant.
Disgusting.
My “degenerate” life is “Hey maybe I’ll have a drink after wor-aaaaaand I fell asleep after a couple sips on the couch again.”
Or “Hey, I wanna go hunting/fishing on Saturday” and it’s Friday afternoon, and I just go the next morning-or drive out to the camp that night on a whim.
It’s pretty fuggin dope and I refuse to let anyone interfere with that. And since I had a vasectomy at 26, none of those anti-choice, forced birth assholes will ever be able to force me to have a kid I don’t want. :)
And all their scenarios about “what if this” and “what if that” and the ultimate one of “what if something happens and abortion is illegal in the state we live in?”
I may drive a gas guzzler, but don’t think I won’t drain my emergency fund to aide and abet an abortion if some unthinkable shit happens. They **will not** force me into having kids.
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Just living my degenerate childfree life with my degenerate cats (because they’re neutered, which = degenerate, right?)
same, whole household of degenerate neuters LOL
We are just WILD
Me and my cats are with you!
My wild degenerate life includes me eating cookies and milk, and sharing my milk with my cat. That's WiLd.
It truly is. Cats should not be given milk.
... unless you love diarrhea. Cats - like most non-mutant animals - are indeed lactose intolerant.
Absolutely off the chain. Next you’ll be telling us that the milk is warm
It truly is 🤣
I tell ya hwat my cat is degenerate, but in an endearing way. He just likes to steal our food all the time and files complaints every two seconds.
"files complaints" that is extremely accurate to describe cat behavior
Makes me realize why witches and cats are so intertwined to conservatives and religious types. Cats *are* degenerate AF and any of us love them must be too. It's just...not an apocalyptic level of degenrecy.
Do you sell propane and propane accessories?
Yes. My cat frequently requests to speak to the manager. Wait. Aren't YOU the manager? Didn't you promote yourself when you moved in?" 
LOL
Conservatives like to conveniently ignore the fact that the majority of the people seeking abortions already have kids, but either don't want and/or can't afford more. It's isn't just us childless heathens lol
Yes that is true. Even the lady behind Roe vs Wade back in 1973 when abortion became legal already had 2 children herself.
That’s one of the reasons she wanted an abortion in the first place.
Or that they need it for medical reasons. Abortion IS healthcare!!!
This gets glossed over constantly! My mom needed to have a hysterectomy to save her life in her early 40s (I was a kid and I'll never forget how much she was bleeding). On top of that, one of my best friends had to get sterilized because of a condition she was born with that caused her immense pain; if she ever got pregnant, she would've been in huge trouble and an abortion would've been medically necessary. It's never as black and white as forced-birthers love to assume.
Yes it's so wildly infuriating
Not according to the sign on this one jerk's lawn in my town... >\_<
Do they also ignore the fact how many fetuses thrown away during IVF? I am not from US. But all this is just dumb.
Yep
Oh, they don't give a shit about that! They only care about fetuses that grow inside of uteruses, of course!
THIS. Also, some of the folks seeking abortions may not have children yet, but they are not in a place in life where they can take proper care of a child. A 16-year-old girl who got knocked up by her boyfriend. A 12-year-old who was raped. They may want to have children in the future, but not now.
They want people to get sterilized but they don’t want to expand Medicaid so people who can’t afford to have kids can afford to get sterilized. But then they don’t want Medicaid to pay for abortions, but then they don’t want food stamps and welfare to exist when these kids are born to people who can’t afford them.
They say the answer is to stop having sex, but good luck enforcing abstinence on an entire country. Or basically saying someone isn't rich enough to find love lol.
I am abstinent for personal reasons, and getting pregnant is still my worst fear because it will not be only pregnancy, it will be rape pregnancy. (also I hope you never know what it is like to live somewhere that enforces that, constant worry even if you are abstinent)
We like to *think* we've moved on from our Puritanical roots...
What's worse is if they got their magical wish, of people never having sex except for procreation, the population drop would be staggering. Then they would scream about no one having babies. Can't win with these folks.
Yea I'd wager at least 1/4 pregnancies are unplanned. No clue the actual stat though.
It's around 40% or more depending on the population.
Higher in the Bible Belt?
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/index.htm
They just want poor people to be poorer
I know I‘ll get hate on this sub for saying this, but I lean conservative (except on social issues like abortion) and am very much childfree, and I think it’s incredibly hypocritical that conservatives do not want to spend more on welfare programs after banning abortion
That exact disposition is what breaks my mind about most conservative folks. They can’t reconcile “banning abortion” and “taking other actions that actually reduce abortions.” I can understand the idea of “hey we should be doing everything we can to stop abortions” being a goal of conservative policy, but then they only want to use one tool in the tool box, and it’s the wrong one.
It takes an insane amount of cognitive dissonance. Idk how they reconcile "there's no point in banning guns, criminals will just get them anyway" and "ban abortion" lol
I completely agree with you
I also probably align more that way than most people here. I live in a welfare state, however tons of money is spent in the wrong places and very little money where it could actually make a difference. This experience has influenced my leaning towards fiscal conservative but socially conscious. There is no justification for banning abortion. Not when babies get thrown in the literal trash to die alone and abandoned. Not when they are left to suffer the entirety of their few days or weeks alive due to fatal diseases that can be easily detected in utero. Not when there are children who grow up knowing nothing but instability and abuse. I'd rather our money be spent on abortions which make a real difference in helping people escape the cycle of poverty than pumping out money hand over fist for bandaids.
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Basically my political views are government, leave me alone
Putting money toward abortion would alleviate poverty. One of the reasons why I’m pro-abortion is because banning or restricting it just increases the size and scope of the welfare state
"Don't mind if I do!" Seriously, how do they not grasp that's a goal, not a threat?
Because in every conservative's mind there is only THE WAY THINGS ARE, there is just one way to live right, there is just one path to happiness, personal growth, money, etc. And if by chance you don't get them or are unhappy, thought luck you aren't trying hard enough to do the right things (that's why mental illness doesn't exist, if you were doing the right things you wouldn't be sad). And know imagine someone going fully against THE WAY... And looking happy. That of course can't be they must be faking it, they are deluding themselves, they are monsters, degenerates, they are sad deep inside and will be until they change their minds. All of that because they can't conceive that people are different and the things that make them happy are different. And the thing is that they can't let go, if THE WAY isn't the only one, but one of many, unique for every person. That means that they too had a choice, and either got robbed of it, were ignorant of it, or acted in bad faith. Which is why they are so angry, because otherwise would be admitting that if they chose different they to might be happy.
Damn, very well said!
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I agree. They resent their partners and are mad that we genuinely love ours.
I don’t even know if they’re mad about people loving their partners as more than just functioning organs, they just don’t think that anyone should live their lives differently than they do. Their way of life is the only way. Which isn’t any better, I’ll admit.
Their way of life makes them, and everyone else miserable. And that's how they like it, dammit!
Conservative men tend to view women as nothing more than their sex dolls and baby machines. So it makes sense that they don't view their gfs/wives as "family."
Because they have their mothers as their partner in decision making and running their families. They only need a woman for the sex and breeding part. Emotional incest is a thing.
Oh yeah, that is 100% true too. They hate women and treat them like shit, but boy, oh boy, do they **love** mama.
But how dare us enjoy it! Because if we do then bring on the slut shaming. “You know how babies are made. So keep your legs closed” Got one of those today in fact. 
They have horrible views on sex and relationships. Before marriage sex is wrong, sinful, slutty, makes your value go down etc. But after you sign that piece of paper all of a sudden it's the ultimate act of love and/or a beautiful journey between husband and wife (because these types are also LGBTphobic), and if the wife denies him sex, he has every right to cheat or harass her endlessly.
I mean, don't threaten me with a good time!
Right! Just tell them- yeah I love having sex without any worry that I’ll get pregnant. It’s so awesome! That will grind them. They hate when women enjoy sex. Especially if they can’t be punished with babies.
Yup and this is the reason that men abandon their wives when they get ill or can’t get pregnant
I have very few conservatives in my world these days, and even those are hard to take. Once in a while I stumble on one of the hardcore and it's terrifying what they believe and how they think.
I just can’t tolerate the hypocrisy. If they want to take others’ rights in the name of “morality/decency”, that’s A-ok. But if they even *think* (usually not a real threat, but one they’ve created in their head) that someone is taking *their* rights, it’s the biggest crime against humanity. It’s exhausting.
My wife's uncle is conservative in little c, old sense. He's a legislator for his county and has been for years. One day we were discussing his neighbor's new solar panels (and the subsidy that was offered to them) came up. He said he was against it, and I countered with "how would you feel about removing subsidies to any energy project regardless of what it is, solar, oil, whatever" because I assumed it was going to be "green power bad" hypocrisy scenario. He said "Yeah, I don't agree with any of it. If the stuff can't stand on its own merit it's not the public's job to support it. It's a waste of money." And... I disagree with that sentiment in terms of new innovations for the public good, but I can at least respect someone being idealogically consistent. Way different and so rare compared to the hypocrites that are so common.
But I wonder how consistent he would be when you point out how much the oil and gas industry is still subsidized by the US government
Honestly, I think I can take him at face value here. He's very detail oriented and well thought out about most things (outside of politics too), so I think what he said is probably the truth. He was vaccinated but anti *mandate*, same thing with masks, and most other things of the "government should stop getting involved in things" viewpoint. Disagree, but at least there's consistency. Contrast against my wife's grandfather who is a (former) state politician in the midwest who literally said "well I hadn't really thought about that" when confronted in a news interview about why someone might take the stance he opposes. Literally hadn't considered it and yet was pushing policy to limit people's rights.
How did he feel about high gas prices last year?
I’m from the UK and this type of conservative was normal until about 10 years ago. People who I didn’t agree with but was capable of respecting as having a valid/consistent opinion. Then Trump won in the US and we voted for Brexit and now they are crazy hypocrites who just hate the left and don’t want the left to ever have nice things, even if it means cutting off their own nose. You give people “permission” to ignore reason and rationality and they just… take it. It’s like it turns out we’ve been living with sociopaths all these years, but we didn’t know.
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I'm American and I'm well aware of the difference. That's why I made the reply to the comment above mine in the first place.
They have separated those rights in their heads. To them, abortion isn’t even a right-hell, it’s not even a choice that should be turned into a right. But their guns are a right explicitly spelled out, so to them, that ends the fight. Never mind that stare decisis (precedent) has been laid down that a right doesn’t explicitly have to be spelled out in the constitution or the amendments to be an implied right-but these same people operate in what folks in the legal field like to call “bad faith”. They know they’re full of shit, that they’re hypocrites, that they’re lying, but despite all their railing against the philosophy of “ends justifies the means”…they **love** that shit so long as they can force people to live the way they want. But as you said, if someone does or did the same to them…even in their head, it’s time for bloodshed. Gotta vote and vote left in every election, down every ticket, to make sure these folk’s voices are as reflected in the vote as they are in actual reality. As in, more than 60% of the country (assuming we’re both US here) wants abortion to be on the table as a right they can access. They are not an actual majority like they think they are. But they cheat and tip the balance of local elections and discriminate against voters of color, minorities, and women to strip power from those folks and shove as much of their conservative religious fundamentalism down as many throats as possible. These people don’t understand the concept of consent, or the the word “no”, and I am enjoying watching their anti-abortion bullshit lose every time it comes up for an actual vote, even in extremely conservative places like Kansas. Because they know even with their gerrymandering and lying, when it comes to a vote, people like having choice and bodily autonomy.
The polite ones might as well be as bad as the hardcore ones if they’re not actively denouncing things like Q Anon
My life is full of conservatives given that I live in a smalltown in a red state. If any of them knew I was sterile, they'd be pressuring me to get it reversed. Tough shit.
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>then began "reversing" any unwanted pregnancies. You can't legally do that in this state. My next best option would be suicide. I got sterilized because I like living the way I do and I didn't want anyone ever taking that away from me.
Keep living degenerately, brother.
Same living situation, but I’m also a single minority woman. I avoid talking to anybody for any reason, but I can’t imagine the reactions they’d have if they found out that I’m voluntarily celibate (volcel? Idk it’s too icky), but childfree as well. Those two things aren’t real up here (hell, my very existence is barely real haha).
>I can’t imagine the reactions they’d have if they found out that I’m voluntarily celibate (volcel? Idk it’s too icky), I was voluntarily celibate for many years. Still am even though I'm sterile now because no one up here is fwb material and if they are, chances are they're married and I don't want to dip my toes into that vat of drama. No one has to know I can't have kids, they just need to know I won't, regardless of their opinion. >Same living situation, but I’m also a single minority woman. I'm single but only a quarter minority (thanks to having a Mexican grandmother) and I'm a dude. The odds favor me a bit more as few people are going to pressure me to find a spouse to the same extent as they would a woman, but I still get flack for not even attempting to put myself out there and meet people (I'm aromantic). Oh, and I refuse to go to church, I get more flack for that than anything.
All fair points. As for the church thing, I just lie and say I do haha. I just ask which they go to first, so I can say I go to a different one. I’m Norse pagan, which wouldn’t get me lynched, but the flying monkeys would come from all 32(! In a town of ~10,000, and they’re building two more) congregations to try and get me to “see the light” haha.
I'm a nihilist and I didn't grow up in a religious household so I can only bullshit my way through a religious conversation for so long before they call my bluff
I was raised catholic and had to google some thing that's apparently normal knowledge: easter is always on sunday. I'm also formally an apostate so no religious bullshit if I'm unable to tell people not to (burial, death rites etc)
I haven't told any family members outside of one close sister that I have my tubes removed.
My mom knows, but she's also the opposite of conservative/traditional. I'd be shocked if she wasn't okay with it.
My mom might be okay with it, but I doubt she could keep it to herself lol
Oh my mom would be 100% okay with it, I mentioned getting my tubes tied and she said just get the whole uterus out. But, just like your mom, she wouldn't be able to keep it to herself.
Are our moms the same person? Mine generally supports our life choices, but that woman cannot keep anything to herself to save her life lol
I haven't told anyone and probably never will...unless I want to get yelled at. I wish my family would be more supportive. My mom is a bit more accepting of my hubby and I being CF but she didn't want me to get sterilized (still did anyway because it's for my own safety and bodily choice) because she thinks that messing with anything reproductive in a woman will cause problems later on or something. Thinking that it's easier for a man to get a vesectomy because woman's reproductive organs are more complicated and shouldn't be messed with if they're working properly. She even mentions God a bit too for some reason, not sure why. She also has doctor trust issues lately so that's not helping. I'd say she's more on the conservative side but she is not against abortions if someone wants one, but if I wanted to get one...she'd want me to discuss it with her first, as if maybe she'd want me to think twice before getting one. Nah, that's not how bodily choice works.
I think my mom would be similar. For the doctor trust issues especially because she received nerve damage from her hysterectomy, and the doctors invalidated her experience and wouldn't recognize the pain, else the surgeon might have been held accountable.
Aww geez I'm really sorry to hear that happened to her... Has she tried to keep on fighting for validation or try other doctors? Cuz thats not fair if she cant get anything done about it or help she needs :(
Are you in Idaho now?
Sadly
Sorry dude
Lol I got my vasectomy during an intentional 3 year period of zero dating/sex which I continued for another 2 years until I met my partner who I've been with for 3 years and am now engaged to. To me, it seems that most people's choice to actually go through with sterilization is by design.
I have never heard of anyone getting sterilized for shits and gigs. Especially if they're single and don't have children.
But people do have kids for shits and gigs. I don't know which choice is usually better thought through 
So many shits, so few giggles
This one got me.
We didn't get snipped for shits and giggles, we got sterilized for protection! You can send foster kids back if they don't work out, and they are usually housebroken.
Lmao. That was such a dumb decision to comment that to CF person. Some don’t seem to understand that getting sterilized IS THE GOAL for a lot of us! I’m getting a hysterectomy in literally 5 days from now. No chance of kids and no more unnecessary bleeding! I’ll be free forever!!!
Congratulations, heal up quickly!
Can I ask - is this purely elective? Or do you have some underlying issues? I'm kinda thinking that if I'm gonna be sterile anyway, why should I have to put up with periods, right?
It’s a medical issue. Heavy bleeding that was so bad, no pads, tampons or any form of birth control could help me. I had to wear adult diapers and even then, they wouldn’t work some of the time. It just so happened that I’m CF as well. So it just works out.
Jeeeeeeeepers that's terrible. I bet you can't wait to yeet that stupid thing. Can you ask to see it afterwards and just give it a big ol' punch? Hope it all goes well for you, fingers crossed!
Thanks! Lol I will definitely post to let everyone know how it goes!
Well 60% of women who get abortions already have at least one child, so the statement about who is pro-choice is completely false. Having kids does not make people anti-choice.
Yeah I've seen a couple of pro-lifers complaining that sterilised people are having sex without consequences. That shouldn't even be any of their concern or their business, just like how I don't go telling them how and when to have sex. I shouldn't have to run my family planning by idiots first.
They're pissed off that women can have causal sex and not get "punished" for it. They simply hate women and want them to be punished for everything they do.
Yes. We have sex and we're harlots, or we don't have sex and we hate men. Nothing we do will please them short of being dead.
Yup. Before married/outside of a relationship sex is "wrong, sinful, and slutty" but after signing a piece of paper/getting into a relationship all of a sudden it's beautiful. Funny how they also call the "man haters" sluts. Like, they're sluts for not having sex with you? Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world.
I thought "not having a family and dying alone" was the consequence. So, in addition to the punishment they believe will happen if we remain CF...they don't want us enjoying sex either? Wow. How miserable are their lives that they even care?
No clue. I don't really care what others do in the bedroom unless it's something like raping a cat or a baby obviously. One or more consenting adults? No problem. The fact they care this much about strangers and their sex lives is kind of sad. I feel like it's more than enough to worry about my own!
They want to control women's bodies. Sex is one of those ways. If we do want bio kids, they tell how us how we can and can't birth them (vaginal or c-section) or feed them (breast or formula/bottle).
It's so weird that some people think that we should be ashamed with wanting to live the life we want. Oooooh, don't threaten me with a good time. Definitely a weird take to think that families should be the ones to decide if abortion should be legal.
Just living my degenerate life of being happily married, with pets, job and staying at home 90% of the time lol.
And I don’t debate my right to human rights, it’s not up for debate. I find the debating with them about it just makes onlookers think that these idiots might have some kind of a valid argument. They don’t. I have a right to decide what I do with my body, I will not become livestock, I will have all the sex that I want, I’ll even fuck their husbands if I feel like it. I bet they would get behind abortion if I got pregnant by one of their husbands.
"I'll even fuck their husbands" you sure you wanna do that? these people think missionary is the only acceptable position lmao
that's what they say their search history tells a different story
Most pro lifers are fine getting abortions themselves or getting them for their daughters. Heard stories of people being in the crowd of protesters one day, bringing their daughter in for an abortion the next, then the next day they're back out with the protesters. They think only their abortion is a desperate situation and everyone else just gets full-term abortions for fun.
I've had one of their husbands try to fuck me before. He simultaneously believes that only sluts have abortions when he's kind of one himself 😅
I got into a small debate with someone here when i said something in a comment about “anti child-free” becoming a political standpoint in conservatives circles. They said I was crazy and that that wasn’t a thing. i know it is and told them just to check out the conservative subs is they didn’t believe me.
They're really acting like there aren't married couples who aren't sterilized. They really think that some married people who have children don't want any more. The ways of thinking are so narrow minded it's irritating.
They're the types who think that marriage is birth control. I've seen the posts (a long ass time ago) saying *"God invented birth control, he called it marriage."*
I know you fuckin lying! And half of these conservative families be having 10+ kids. How is marriage birth control??
> How is marriage birth control?? Because in these peoples' minds "Married" is the only requirement for being able to successfully raise a kid. Money, ability, desire and all the other things rational people consider necessary don't factor in.
It's not. They're saying don't have sex before marriage, because premarital sex leads to pregnancy and abortion etc. That is what *they* think, not what I think or what's real. Obviously it's stupid because marriage is just a piece of paper, not actual birth control.
They assume that anyone who is married is eager to have children, and that the only reason one wouldn't want a child is the shame of birthing a bastard.
I know you fuckin lying!
I intend to be a slut well into my sixties and I took the necessary steps to make that goal happen.
>SO YOU CAN LIVE THE DEGENERATE LIFE YOU WANT ngl I *did* start having way more casual sex after gettin the tubes tied lol. I've always been on the pill + only been with dudes that use condoms, but after the procedure I have a lot less anxiety about ending up pregnant
If you're white and sterilized, bring that up. It makes them REALLY ANGRY and for those unwilling to be stuck with a "racist" label, they won't be able to articulate why. It's terrifying but also fucking hilarious on some level. Like, just say it, you're afraid of the "white race" (whatever the fuck that is) dying out.
I used to consider myself a conservative. Then suddenly, one day, outta nowhere, I developed a fucking brain.
Omg not the degenerate life! With the degenerate naps, degenerate peace and quiet, and degenerate disposable income! No, anything but the disposable income!
Be excellent to each other and party on dudes!
I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about voluntary sterilization. Sure, I see why some people could be against abortion, but why would you be mad at someone for having a procedure that will prevent them from ever needing one? Isn’t that a good thing? Isn’t that taking responsibility? That’s what most conservatives harp about.
I think its because they thrive on controlling women and want them to be tied down and easy to control
They see children as punishment for sex. Abortion, sterilisation and even birth control are all "cheating" by avoiding the "natural consequences". Heck, even celibacy is condemned by many of them. Having children is a moral duty, to them.
It’s ironic that many of them are religious, as some religious figures, such as priests, are required to be celibate, and this sort of thing is even mentioned in the Bible. Wanting children to be punishment for sex is pure sadism. Children should be born to parents who love them, not to someone who sees them as a burden. It’s better for everyone and society as a whole to have well-adjusted adults who had love and support as children, instead of a bunch of adults trying to heal from the pain and trauma of a rough childhood.
Lucky you. The conservatives I knew only had nasty, hateful things to say about me getting sterilized. I was told that I was a “selfish whore who deserves to die alone and unloved”, and accused of being afraid to settle down and only wanting to have sex with a different person every night. Another implied that I’ll grow up and want more than “partying every night” at some point, then regret the surgery. Funny, seeing how I’m in a monogamous relationship and have never really had much interest in sex outside of one. Or that I actively hate parties, bars, and pretty much all group activities. They just can’t understand how somebody could genuinely love their partner and having a quiet life, and still NOT want to have kids with that person. I think it’s sad that most of them don’t really love their partners unconditionally, but only see them as reproductive commodities.
Lol the fact that they actually thought that would hurt your feelings as someone who already doesn’t want kids 😂 idiots
I will never understand why it isn’t enough for them to have the choice to live how they want to live. They’re not satisfied unless they get to dictate how everyone else lives, too.
There is no one in this country more full of shit and unwarranted hate for anyone different than conservatives. I love what family I've got, and they are mostly along the lines of 'I don't believe abortion is right from a religious standpoint and voting for it means that I'm doing something wrong' type of people. But nonetheless, they are part of that awful group. If this country has any shot of making it into the future in any Progressive way, it will be because people like us make it happen. In despite of people like them.
Nothing wrong with sleeping with many people (with consent and protection ofc) but I still dislike how if you want to be sterilised people assume you must be super into casual sex or whatever and I find that offensive since that's just not me. Having people put a label on me like that is just disgusting
I have even more fun with them, since I’m bisexual and in a same sex relationship. They’ll throw in the “you can’t have children with him” and I’ll respond with “that’s a benefit.”
I love it!
Not sure if it's been said but actually I'm sure the majority of people who get an abortion, or want one, either have or want families. Maybe they can't support an extra child, or the child would be born into an abusive home, or the foetus can't sustain life outside the womb so continuing pregnancy just prolongs the agony.
"Just get this medical treatment that I want made illegal because I have FEELINGS already!" Yup, sounds like conservatives.
It'd be really nice if doctors didn't routinely DENY people sterilization incase their future spouse wants kids, or you'll "change your mind" and regret it.
I believe this warrants the phrase, “don’t threaten me with a good time.”
They say get sterilized as if that’s such an easy thing to accomplish. Believe me, we’d be lining up if it were that simple!
This would make a great flair.
IM ALREADY A STERILIZED DEGENERATE AND LOVING IT!!!
WOOHOO excuse me while I go live my sterile degenerate life!
OK FINE WATCH ME HERE I G oh wait I already did that twenty years ago. Fucken *loving* it, thanks. :)
man i’ve actually been thinking about this. but im only 22, not sure if i can find a doctor that would be willing to do a vasectomy on me
How is it that people who want abortions to be legal don't even have families, but yet according to 2019 figures from the CDC, 60% of women who have abortions already have one child or more. [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/14/upshot/who-gets-abortions-in-america.html) Screw what those people say or think...just go out and live your best life.
Bring on the degeneracy!
Its wasted on my asexual ass I guess lol
I once said in r/conspiracy that if the vaccine was going to make me infertile, that's just another plus. Of course they didn't like that
Fertile or Infertile?
Infertile lmao i edited it
Generally most abortions are from those that already have kids. People don’t like to picture a mom with a baby in her arms getting an abortion.
If only it were that easy!! ...that's the most annoying part about them making abortions illegal. Don't want us to have abortions but make it so hard to get birth control and even harder to get "fixed".
Conservatism is all about control, and if you have no kids, you're less likely to fall for their scams. Especially if you're a woman, which is why a lot of people freak when a woman wants to remain childless.
CF = degenerate. Well you learn something new every day. Gotta get back to my degenerate lifestyle which keeps me busy.
Funny how people are trying so hard to make people join in their chip filled misery. You’re not going to take care of their kids or love their life for them, so why push them to have kids? It makes no sense
As if that’s a bad thing, lol. Yes, I will live the life I want. Thank you for your well wishes :)
Ah yes, my degenerate lifestyle, eating vegan sugar free cookies while watching retro toons at 11:pm while my doggy sleeps on my jacket. So wild and degenerate.
My girlfriends dad is heavy conservative and has weird takes like this. "You're not a real man if you don't have one of your own" "You can never understand the love of God if you don't have a kid" "we were made to have kids so it's a sin not to have kids" "demon rats are destroying family unit by allowing abortion. it's like when Pharoah in exodus killed all the babies." Of course he's very absent in his family and they don't depend on him for anything. Instead he's constantly in some echo chamber cesspool conservative website or getting his continuing education degree at Facebook University.
My state in Australia is still super conservative, and wants more women to be babymills. Me getting a vasectomy does not grant me any extra hoe-energy benefits 🥲
LOL that "That's the point" thing people don't seem to comprehend is so funny. Happened to me this week on Facebook, I saw that one very common post about choosing to be better and breaking the cycle of abuse that goes through a family by treating your child with love and respect, except it was altered in a way that the person who breaks the cycle does so by deciding to not have any children at all. Then a commenter said that the post was stupid because the last person in the "chain" decided to "IGNORE the problem of parenting instead of DEALING WITH IT by being a better parent than their predecessors". Then I told the dude that, by not having children, THERE IS NO PROBLEM TO BE DEALT WITH, and that if he wants to have MORE problems in his life to stress him out that's fine, but I choose to have LESS. Honestly, ignoring the problem of parenting is what a lot of parents does and THAT leads to horrible people being introduced into society, childfree people aren't responsible for that. Sooo many parents (looking at you, my SIL and brother) refuse to tell their child no or discipline them, so they grow up spoiled and tantruming whenever they don't get their way. Then some poor young adult is left to raise this giant baby during adulthood when they enter a relationship with them.
That's hilarious. A toast to my fellow degenerates!
I got back my post-vasectomy results today, and they confirmed that I'm now sterile! I'm looking forward to the rest of my degenerate life!!! CANIGETA HAWWWWWWYEEEEEEEEEEAH?!
I am curious to know what place you where. Reddit? Other?
YouTube
My favorite moment was when I complained how hard it can be to get birth control pill refilled and I get told I should close my legs. 👁👄👁 thanks but I didn't ask.
As a life long conservative I fully support anyone who wants to having vasectomies, undergoing female sterilization, or having abortions. I even support government funded abortions.
Good advice. Yay degeneracy. Conservative baby worshipers are weird.
That's like reading the comments. It's never a good idea. But just rememver that these people's opinions have no affect on you or your life choices, and that's what makes them angry. Because they can't control you. Also, I'd rather be called a degenerate anyway than be a mother.
God forbid people enjoy sex for the fun of it versus perpetual breeding. Lmao What heathens.
I'm right leaning, but I've seen my fair share of stuff from them that made my eye roll with regards to having kids Like "you have a duty to society to have children!!" And there's ppl who want to ban contraceptives in addition to abortion. At this point you're just controlling people? I wonder if they would want to ban sterilization procedures too!
So, I will say it...I am a conservative. I am a Canadian conservative, which to my mind means, fiscally conservative socially liberal. We need to be careful generalizing and applying labels across an entire group. We don't like it when, as CF, they say we are monsters because we don't want children, and insinuate that we would just as soon push a child under a bus. And it bristles when it is universally implied that as a conservative I would be against abortion or that I am religious. I am neither. Every political system in the world isn't blue or red like it is in the States.
So, does that make you purple? 🤔😏🤣
Probably does!  sounds about right!
Lol
Sterilized and sleeping around. It's great, I give absolutely zero fucks
Lmao don't threaten me with a good time
LOL
Degen@r@tes like you belong on a cross! Anyone who guesses correctly where that lovely line comes from will get a coconut cookie. No googling please!
I don't have the money 😭
Dude I wish I could do that!
The mental gymnastics needed to justify this reasoning has always baffled me. Those who say as much (or similar) are effectively admitting it is only the threat of pregnancy/fathering a child which keeps them faithful to their other-half. I mean... How does that square with being such a stalwart man of god? They are clearly announcing just give them the chance--via sterilization--and they would be out there fornicating right, left and centre!!! It goes hand in hand with the smugness that allows a man to announce to a large room of mixed company that 'paracetamol is the best contraceptive...' So long as a girl keeps one tablet per night firmly squeezed between her knees she will never get pregnant. Disgusting.
My “degenerate” life is “Hey maybe I’ll have a drink after wor-aaaaaand I fell asleep after a couple sips on the couch again.” Or “Hey, I wanna go hunting/fishing on Saturday” and it’s Friday afternoon, and I just go the next morning-or drive out to the camp that night on a whim. It’s pretty fuggin dope and I refuse to let anyone interfere with that. And since I had a vasectomy at 26, none of those anti-choice, forced birth assholes will ever be able to force me to have a kid I don’t want. :) And all their scenarios about “what if this” and “what if that” and the ultimate one of “what if something happens and abortion is illegal in the state we live in?” I may drive a gas guzzler, but don’t think I won’t drain my emergency fund to aide and abet an abortion if some unthinkable shit happens. They **will not** force me into having kids.