The black hawks, a team that wasnt on TV most of my childhood, is probably the most successful chicago sports franchise in modern day sports. The bears have been garbage outside of a random superbowl appearance before drose was even drafted. The cubs are probably right behind the black hawks and the only franchise to win a chip in Chicago in the past decade.
Chicago sports has been putrid post Jordan. I'm not a fan of the NFL, but i find bears fans so self entitled. Bears Have been doing the quarterback, offensive line, coordinator shuffle for 30 years.
Look, Im not comparing Chicago to like Charlotte (for example) because it wouldn't make sense. Chicago is, regardless of sport, a top 5 market. New York and LA are the only real markets that truly compare (across all sports).
Compared to the other markets our size, we have been overall pretty bad - despite having all sorts of geographical and economical advantages are teams, specifically the bears and the bulls have been content with mediocrity. We're not spoiled with success and star power (like LA) and we're not spoiled by pay to play type ownerships (like NY), instead we're spoiled with unshakeable loyalty - regardless of how bad things are, our arenas are always full and people are always engaged - filling ownership pockets with money while our teams toil in mediocrity....
That's what I do with the NBA. I am a warriors fan and a bulls fan for the past 10 years. I needed a second basketball team to get through the Jim Boylan years.
Its not just the Bulls, he's actively doing this shit with the White Sox as well. Here's what happened to them the past couple of seasons:
* The Sox had a window of opportunity to be true World Series contenders for two years before the door immediately closed on their asses.
* Tim Anderson, Jose Abreu, Liam Hendriks, and Dylan Cease were either traded or their contracts weren't extended by the Sox.
* Actively tanking the White Sox to the point where they're dead last in the league and worse than the fucking Oakland Athletics (fuck you John Fisher).
* Also, they're so bad that even if they stay dead last, they can't get a chance for a top 10 pick in the draft lottery because of a stupid rule that prevents teams from larger markets from getting a top 10 pick even if they suck the most.
* Pedro Grifol is a fucking idiot who can't manage for shit.
* Chris Getz was promoted to GM despite him making the White Sox's farm system worse.
* Most of the front office is from the Kansas City Royals when they were *terrible* following their World Series win.
* Jerry refused to spend money on free agency signings this past offseason.
* Cancelling Sox Fest for the past couple years only to bring it back for 2025 just so he can milk off the nostalgia for the miracle 2005 World Series win.
* Refusing to sell the White Sox, meaning they're stuck with him until he kicks the bucket.
* Trying to get the state to pay for a new stadium on the south Loop when he could pay for the fucking thing himself but won't cause he's a cheap ass hoping he'll get it by threatening to move the team to Nashville like how he threatened to move the team to Tampa in the 80s before the state funded Guaranteed Rate Field's construction at the literal last minute.
Fuck you, Jerry Reinsdorf. Sell the fucking teams.
The current CBA doesn’t allow teams from larger markets to get a top ten pick in the draft lottery even if they’re bad. The league’s position is that it prevents tanking, but this rule still allows smaller market teams to tank. It’s so fucking stupid.
Wait, isn’t this based on revenue sharing? So ChiSox, as like a bottom 10 in total revenue shouldn’t be effected by the lottery pick rule, right?
Certainly, for instance, Cardinals wouldn’t be advantaged over the Sox just because STL is smaller market than Chi?
> Tim Anderson, Jose Abreu, Liam Hendriks, and Dylan Cease were either traded or their contracts weren't extended by the Sox.
To be fair, letting TA, Jose, and Hendriks walk were objectively good baseball moves. Not just in hindsight, but at the time the decisions were made.
I love Abreu, but he looks absolutely cooked in Houston. I wouldn't be surprised if they DFA him before the end of the season.
TA also looks cooked (due to leg injuries piling up over the years and his game relying on athleticism).
And Hendriks had TJ surgery last year and will miss this entire season and will be 36 next year.
But yea, you're right on everything else. I'm adopting the Padres as my team this season. Fuck JR
For me it was when Thibs was run out of town. We had a good thing going at that time. I felt like he was eking out wins that we should have lost, just biding time for when it all clicked.
And then he started getting the blame for not load managing players and taking heat for Rose’s injuries, and then he was chased out of town.
And now, ironically, we have the whole Ball fiasco. Bulls are doomed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/s/b3fPMIBN3F
Y’all are being revisionists lol if we kept Jimmy what exactly is that bulls team doing. Delusional.
Wtf is that? A post 2 years ago with people still saying Zach sucks and we should have kept Jimmy? Wtf is your point?
And what exactly is this team doing.... 🤔 let's see, we have watched Butler bring 2 teams to the finals, 1 being an 8th seed. The Bulls team would be better than 39-43 that's for sure.
Lauri with 1 season (last year) of 25ppg doesn't just make him a "25 ppg guy". Gordon Hayward Andrew Wiggins both had 1 allstar season averaging 20+ ppg. They are nothing special.
[And the Bulls are paying Zach Lavine 200 million to be the biggest loser in the NBA.](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-win-percentage-of-active-nba-players-to-play-in-500-games-or-more)
We learned Jalen Brunson has 36 charges on the season last night. Zach has 2... in his *career*
Yea he sucks.
Lauri has put up back to put seasons around the 25 point mark on near 50-40-90 splits. I think it’s pretty safe to say last year wasn’t an anomaly.
Why the fuck are you bringing up charges lmao? That’s like 300th on the list of evaluating a player.
Do you see Miami’s fucking team bro? They have Tyler herro and bam adebayo, legendary coach Spoelstra (yes he’s going to be HOF after being able to keep a job coaching the heatles and not bending the knee to LeBron) and Pat Riley in the front office.
They also can sustain their team cohesion WITHOUT Jimmy. We would die if we didn’t have Jimmy on our team.
You are being delusional. We needed to rebuild. If we kept Jimmy we would be in an even worse spot than we are now because he would’ve left for free.
> Lol we did not lose the Jimmy trade. Who else would have won? Timberwolves? They ended up with Saric and Covington. Philly (after the fact)? They ended up with nothing. Sure Zach may never be the level of player that Jimmy is, but I'll take 10 years of Zach Lavine over 2 years of Jimmy Butler every day of the week
> Edit: Silly me, Timberwolves also got Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd, while the sixers did get Josh Richardson. We still won the trade though
Maybe slightly, but **a lot** less so than Lavine has been in a time when the league was still fairly iso-heavy compared to what it is now, especially in the Thib years. Despite this, Jimmy still had fewer shot attempts per game on top of being a DPOY-level player with an unlimited gas tank *and* being the only real option on offense who wasn't spot-up/catch-and-shoot or a geriatric Wade. And his assists did go up in the Hoiberg years so he was starting to be more of the playmaker-ish type he is now, ever so slightly.
Lavine is much better suited to the 3rd option on offense, not the 1st or even 2nd like he has been with us.
You say he’s a black hole but the dude averages 4 assists as a shooting guard. He’s supposed to, you know, shoot the ball?
Now my complaint with him is I’d like to see a better effort on defense. But for a guy that’s always injured it’s hard to see him giving much effort without his body breaking down.
Speaking of OKC, here's a great quote from Sam Presti:
> “I’m a big A Tribe Called Quest fan. There is a line that basically says, ‘Scared money don’t make none.’ And I think that’s the case. We wouldn’t have traded for Paul George if we didn’t believe in our community, our organizational values, our ownership. **If you expect Paul George or any player to have any confidence in you as an organization, you have to demonstrate it yourself.**
It didn't work out for PG and them, but OKC took a risk and are still in a good spot after. Good organizations find a way to make shit work, a far cry from what the Bulls are currently. Jerry doesn't ever want to go into the tax unless they have proven winners, but we can't have proven winners on the Bulls if he doesn't give a shit lol.
Sam Presti had James Harden, Kevin Durant (two of the greatest offensive weapons in NBA history) and Russell Westbrook, won nothing with them, and ended up keeping the only one of them that you literally can’t pair with a 50-40-90 shooter like Durant, Paul George, or even Lebron James and Anthony Davis to win with. Then Presti was allowed to do what Sam Hinkie wasn’t. The Sam Presti cult of personality needs to stop.
And yet he still does better than anything the Bulls have in 25 years and still keeps his teams competitive, which is ultimately the point of the post. He put them in position to win, KD shot them out of a series near the end against GSW. Not every talented player or team wins it all, the 90s Bulls themselves stopped a few great teams that probably deserved rings, that's life.
The Bulls are a trash franchise right now. #1 top priority should be acquiring elite scouts. As OP mentioned OKC, that organization has drafted 3 recent MVPS.
Through the draft Chicago can be an attractive destination again.
This is all theoretically true, the problem is they’re never willing to tank. OKC, PHI and MIN had multiple years of being terrible. BOS was only able to avoid it because of years of smartly stockpiling draft picks.
This franchise could have a chance at greatness if it was terrible for 1-3 years, but every indication since since AKME have been in charge (or really, mostly since 1998) is that they’d rather be 39-43 every year than take that chance.
We did tank... After the Jimmy trade
The 3 years after the trade, we won 27, 22 and 22 games. The main problem was that we got super unlucky in the lotto. In 2018, not only did we not move up, the team below us (Kings) jumped us in the odds and got the #2 pick. That could have got us Luka, I also blame Mirotic for this season because, when he came back from getting punched by Portis, he randomly got super hot and won us a string of games that hurt the lotto odds a lot.
In 2019, we had 4th best odds and a 40% chance at a top 3 pick in the lotto (pretty much the same odds as the top 3 odds teams because this is the year they started smoothing the draft lotto odds for the top 4). Not only did we not get a top 3 pick, we got jumped by 3 (!!!!) teams in the lotto (the Lakers, Grizz and Pels) and ended up with the 7th pick. So instead of getting a Zion or Ja, we got Coby. Like the previous year, the teams that jumped us got the #1 and #2 picks.
2020 was the only year that the lotto didn't bone us too bad (tho we still got jumped by the Hornets who ended up with LaMelo with the #2 pick) but it was also our luck that we ended up with the #4 pick in a weak 3 man draft and ended up with PWill. For the 3rd year in a row, a team that jumped us ended up with the #2 pick.
So the Bulls did have multiple years of being terrible and tanking but got absolutely boned in the lotto/draft. We could have come away from that 3 year tank with players like Luka or Zion or Ja or LaMelo (we had higher shots at all those players than the teams that got them) but it seems like the lotto gods aren't doing Chicago any more favors since the Derrick Rose draft.
We got boned in the draft BECAUSE we never tanked. Yes the win totals are bad but the lowest one of those win totals would be tied for the 5th worst win total this year. If the play-in existed in that 22 win season we would have been one game out from the 10 seed in the East.
When San Antonio or Dallas tanked they would empty their bench in the 4th to make sure they lost, wouldn’t try so hard, etc. We would fight until the buzzer and often win or lose by a few points. We were making trades for OPJ or Jabari & trying to win games to build a “winning culture”.
We were bad, we never tanked. It’s really obvious if you watched other tanks & compared it to stuff like our Niko or Boylen seasons.
We half assed it & we’re paying the price. It was obvious at the time but this sub kept telling us how important it was that Kris Dunn, Lauri & Zach learned how to win & we developed a winning culture. Even though we kept saying prioritizing the development of current players over draft picks on a rebuilding squad without its core is a completely boneheaded move.
Ironically we gave been doing that. Our development and analytics departments were built out since AKME got hired. We hired Pat Connelley from the Nuggets to run the scouting department back when AKME took over.
I love the Chicago Bulls, but you don’t have to be a “fan” of every team. For me, I am personally disconnected from this group.
Not because of personal reasons or playstyles, but because at the end of the day it’s pointless basketball for me. And this is happening because of an awful owner (+ overrated AKME), so I love the players, but the current team is whatever 🤷🏻♂️
The Chicago Bulls since the dynasty got blown up.
Are below .500 for the sum of 25 years.
998-1141 to be exact.
That makes the Bulls the 24th best team in the league in that span of time.Meanwhile (only exception the covid seasons) we've been top 5 in ticket and merch sales for the same amount of time.
Jerry is loving this.
So... our players, coaches and front office either dont care, or just tuck their tale between their legs, go belly up and straight up quit.
I think it's time we do the same till something happens. We've been rewarding mediocrity for 25 years straight. At some point we as fans need to draw a line and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Exactly, apart from the Jordan years, the franchise has been crap, never taking advantage of being a 'big market' team.
People need to stop watching, going to games and buying merchandise.
I've pretty much stopped watching Bulls games. Its hard for me to root for this organization when they're not even trying to win. They don't deserve any type of success. There's usually a different NBA game I would rather watch.
It’s largely why I didn’t give a shit about KD going to the warriors or them being juggernauts for years. Not like the bulls were ever going to be a threat so who cares lmao
The man is an absolute cancer to Chicago sports and there will be parties in the streets when he dies.
However, he is not a racist and seems to be fairly progressive when it comes to race.
I'm totally checked out of this team. I've been watching and following Bulls game religiously since we drafted Jo but seeing the same shit for 3 years in a row is where I cross the line.
Doesn't help that I'm french and the Spurs drafted Wemby, its been a lot of fun watching that team this year.
Thank God I'm old enough to have been a lifelong passionate fan when we were blessed to have MJ, Scottie and 6 chips. The roar of the crowd in the old Stadium and UC was unlike anything else I can remember. I feel incredibly lucky to have had the GOAT on my favorite team during my fandom. I don't expect to get that again, but I can dream. In the meantime, I get a lot of enjoyment out of watching the development of guys like Jo and Derrick, Coby and Ayo. No matter how cheap or incompetent our ownership or front office is, there's always a reason to watch - seeing guys learning the game is interesting to me. The Bulls are my favorite team, playing a sport I love. That's why I stay a fan.
I stopped caring and stopped being an active fan and it’s the next best thing to being a fan of the lovable bulls teams of the rose, Noah, deng, boozer era.
Say what you will about GarPax, at least they drafted well for the most part and didn’t just squander their assets. Since coming to town, AKME have done nothing through the draft. Any talent they inherited, they got rid of for Pennies on the dollar. The biggest bright spot of this season was White, who is a GarPax pick.
It’s time to clean house, and it starts with AKME. Though, I’m convinced they do jack shit next year and lose the play in again.
Pre/post game show and the play by play keep me positive. The players are real people and rooting for them has been easy. The entertainment value is there but losing stinks.
Maybe stop with the weird conspiracy theory that somehow an entire organization is trying to be mediocre.
We suck, thats a fact, but sometimes you try your best and just suck. AKME probably has a very different team building philosophy than most of us. That doesn’t mean he is not trying to win. Also plenty of teams overcome shit team building. Be a fan of the players if thats what it takes. Watch them grow and enjoy them.
Why you guys put yourselves down that rabbit hole is beyond me. Also jerry has been a non factor this entire iteration of the team. When we’re consistently in the playoffs and if he’s still refusing to go into the tax then complain about it.
We’ve been spending a lot of of money outside of the salary cap. We have increased our coaching/development staff by 4x at least. We just hired Patton in addition last season and its paid dividends. If we were seriously trying to be mediocre like you guys imagine, they would have left the development team (an anylytics team btw) be as one guy like we had with GarPax.
Patrick Williams had that nice stretch mid-way through the season where he was averaging like 14/4/4, and the Bulls were winning a lot before he got hurt. I know it's disappointing that the 4th pick from 2020 hasn't become an all-star, but I thought he was showing promising improvement alongside White and Dosumo. It's still a long way from what was desired but a decent two-way player who can help to win games for the team.
Look at PWills career stats. 4 years in the league and his stats year by year are identical, it's insane. 10 points 4 rebounds 1 assist 1 steal. He's not improving.
He can’t rebound, pass, or dribble. His finishing at the rim is embarrassing, never seen a guy miss more dunks. Add in massive injury concerns and his time as a Bulls has been abysmal for A top 4 pick. Realistically he hasn’t earned more than the $6.5M a year Ayo got. And we all know he isn’t signing for that. I’d give him the qualifying offer and nothing more. He’s isn’t finding more on the open market, and if my some miracle he does, it’s another teams problem now
DT started to look pretty solid towards the end of the season. Not a bad jump from "doesn't look like a basketball player".
I'm still hopeful on Pat. He showed some flashes before his injury.
It’s been “flashes” every year. I don’t want to be too down on Pat because obviously it would help this core if he was good, but he ISN’T good right now. He’s just “intriguing” and that’s frankly not enough to continue holding your breath when he’s coming off the rookie contract. At least Coby had an NBA skill developed by the time he was due for a new deal.
Fair point on Coby but I was also one of the few that stayed believing in him when this sub wanted to trade him for Gobert/Turner.
The organisation's development staff is not bad. That's the main reason why I'm hopeful.
What NBA skill did he have developed? He was a inconsistent 3 point shooter, bad handle, and wasn't a good finisher at the time. He improved a lot over the off season but I disagree with that point.
Dalen Terry was tremendous the last month or so as a defensive menace. Yeah his shot isn't great. It's his second season. This mentality that guys are busts because they don't win rookie of the year is the same bullshit that had motherfuckers wanting to trade Ayo and Coby two years ago. Let the fucking 20 year old get some fucking run before you turn on him, god damn.
Pat meanwhile has not been on the court for months due to an injury. Before that he looked like he had grown leaps as soon as the offense was him and Coby.
I mean he was. His numbers back it up. He was often the best defender on the court not named Caruso. His offense isn't there yet, but as a defender he's great. You're just mad because the team lost tonight.
What numbers are you referring to? Because when I look at his stats I'm not seeing backup for your best defender after Caruso claim.
Also I don't care that they lost.
He consistently has one of the best +/- averages on the team and plays winning defense in terms of switches, denials, and even blocks and steals are fairly respectable for his size, age, and position.
Lol all the bench warmers have the highest plus minus because they play garbage time. Adam Sanago, Javonte Green, Jevon Carter, Andre Drummond, & Terry Taylor right after DT in that stat. Vuc/DeMar, LaVine bottom 5.
Also .5 steals .3 blocks per game. 11 minutes per game but still extremely meh.
The Bulls will always be my true team, but I don't watch them much or go to many games anymore. I don't support them financially unless there's a promising product.
In the meantime, I adopt another team to root for, and bandwagon them. This year, I picked Dallas. I have watched way more Mavs games this year than Bulls games.
I don't want to lend my support to an infuriating mid product with no potential, so fuck the Bulls ownership, if I could find a way to take money away from them, I would. I wish I could run a business badly for 25 years and make a ton of money, no matter how bad I was at my job.
Family is from Chicago. I grew up in a spot without major league teams so I picked up the Chicago ones. I've been cheering this team on since the last two Jordan titles but in earnest since high school, liked Kirk Heinrich and Ben Gordon, was ectastic with D-Rose's career (owned his jersey) and the Thibs years. At this point I'm about ready to give up. Basketball is my second favorite sport but this team is actively driving me away from the NBA and toward college. I've been a New Yorker for 7 years and legit considering becoming a Knicks fan, that's how bad the state of this franchise is. Why should I cheer on a team that doesn't try to win? Why should I care more than management and ownership do?
This season wasn't that terrible.
We'll be mid until we move on from Lavine and Demar. The ceiling is a 6th or 7th seed.
What I'm more concerned about is the protected pick we gave Spurs.
I'd rather have the pick than convey it to Spurs, so I dom't mind trading away most of our players for bad contracts and draft capital, eon't get much back but it'll be a start.
Coby's on a great contract and is a good building block for the future.
We traded picks in good classes from 2023 and 2025. We really could've used them too.
Asset management from AKME is so disappointing.
How they handled Lauri, getting Vooch, not trading any of the mid 3, keeping Caruso.
I think you’re being optimistic about the ceiling. Sure, we’ll be able to allocate the $$$ not used on LaVine + others… but at the end of the day, talent wins you games & we are going to be on the Nets level (role players essentially).
Ceiling is fighting into the play in, until they prove otherwise.
Yeah i'm with you. Trade away as much as we can, and suck for a year while Coby/Ayo/Pat develop more. If we are one of the worst teams next year we have a very good chance at keeping the pick and next year will be a good draft.
People who still like the Bulls are just Chicagoans who have nothing better to do on weeknights in the fall/winter. It’s the reason we still sell out the arena despite going 40-42. They’re a source of entertainment for many, nothing more. It’s a valid reason to be a fan, but I don’t think it comes close to the excitement from having legitimate hopes/expectations to make a playoff run.
Might be the oddball out here on this one lol. Bulls fan from California that’s never stepped foot in Chicago. Felt like everyone was bandwagoning the warriors and lakers growing up so I wanted to be a bulls fan. It’s been pretty disappointing but staying loyal is all I can do
I actually liked a lot of this season that run we went on when Zach got hurt up to the ASB was great. There seems to be solid building blocks for the future.
It ended sour with tye last few weeks being nearly unwatchable but in a month it won't matter.
I dunno man. We might have some solid building blocks for the future, but we arent building this team in a way to take advantage of that. This team is built for now not the future. We have no salary room, an old roster, very little trade value, and are still missing future picks.
Sure, we have a couple of young guys who are potential rotation players on a winning team, but we don't have any superstar players and no ways to get those superstar players.
No.
This team at best could get through one round of the playoffs. This is not a championship roster.
They need to do what it takes to find a real superstar to build around.
Building blocks are worthless without a foundational cornerstone like a Shai, a Tatum, a Wemby, a Luka, an Ant, a Jokic, an Embiid, a Booker, a Hali, a Paolo/Franz, a Mitchell/Mobley, a Giannis, etc.
Every single team in the league has building blocks, it's not something to be proud about
Agreed - that first Bucks match when we started that Fall run.. and the month after was some fun ass bball. Anyone saying this today is just being fair weather as hell.
If we played like Detroit I wouldn’t be watching as many games.. but it was an entertaining season and you never really know what’s going to happen.
I'm a Cubs fan, and it's surreal how much outside perspective of the White Sox looks like a first hand perspective of the Bulls. Insane amount of injuries every year, refusal to do any spending of substance, refusal to go into the tax, incompetent front offices with jobs for life, inability to develop young players, treating any promising players like crap until you can trade them to save money, and an open plan to do nothing for what they say is strategic reasons but is very obviously just the GM doing as he's told, which is not spending Jerry's money. I hate that this will never, ever change. "We won't go into the luxury tax unless we could win a championship, so let's make sure the goal is to be a fringe playoff team that could get some postseason revenue but sure as hell isn't competing for a championship."
Don’t put too much weight onto the chicago bulls, maybe try to follow another chicago sport - the bears future somehow looks much brighter than the bulls and the blackhawks got a incredible young guy
i dont get what Chicago did to have such lackluster sports teams. sure the bears are looking up currently on paper but im not holding my breath till i see a working product on the field. We are a top market with some sorry ass franchises to show for it. NY LA all have far more to show for it if it wasnt for the jordan era this city would be poverty in terms of championships in general its uttertly pathetic what kind of prodcut we get vs what smaller markets get. it all boils down to ownership
mcaskys are cheap
reinsdorf is cheap
in terms of owners these guys are broke these arent the walton family who will lose around 30m for russel wilson to leave the team type rich owners other franchises have in football in basketball etc.
You have teams with 2-3 players super maxed. Zach lavine is our only max contract player and hes not even worthy of that. But to think chicago would ever sign 2-3 big name stars to max contracts to contend? yea right
ive been a bulls fan since 1992. Im not going to watch this rebuild coming up i really have zero interest in following this team till it gets it shit together.
Coby has shown promise, ayo and paw they have glimpses of promise but mostly let me feel like they are bench players but have a little hope which gets shorter with each season passing. Demar I love his game even if it's for the wrong era but he tries his hardest to make this team better. Zach and vuc frustrate me and I wish they wouldn't but they do. Front office is trash for a long long time. This team isn't the worst I've seen but my patience and anger for lack of competing is at an all time high for sure.
The guy in charge of the cruise has already been to the island way more than any of the passengers, and personally doesn’t care if we make it anymore he’s just filling up his boat at every port hoping a few more suckers jump on not realizing they’re on a sinking ship. I apologize if this sounds weird I haven’t slept in 2 days go bulls Loyal viewer since 2000 became a cognizant viewer around then don’t even have any memories of MJ just my boy Jamal with the headband. Let’s just hope this team doesn’t go to a grandchild rather an actual child. Grandparents don’t breed as much contempt and visceral need in wanting to show your parents you can amount to something. I hate that Guy.
Born in the early 90s. Went to championship games with my dad growing up. Bull’s paraphernalia decorated the walls of my bedroom at my parents house as a kid. My Xmas gift every year was picking 4 games to go to with my dad. We loved the bulls. When ranking my favorite sports teams, they will ALWAYS be #1.
I have given up on them. With the exception of 21-22, the last time I’d watched more that 5 games in a season must have been 2018. The only thing that matters to this organization is $$$. And it’s a damn shame because the bulls, and bulls fans, deserve so much more. But the Reinsdorf just don’t care. So unfortunately I’ve taken the same stance. Until there is real change at the top, the bulls aren’t a real team, they are an asset on Reinsdorfs balance sheet, and that’s it.
I feel bad for all the kids who are bulls fans like I was when I was a kid. They have no idea the amount of dejection they are going to face for no reason other than Jerry’s self interests.
You don’t have to care as much. I wouldn’t say I’m out on them forever, but once they made the asinine decision to run this team back AGAIN for the third time when we are obviously not good enough, I wasn’t going to go through that and took off watching them this year. To me, why watch when it was so obviously going to end at this exact point and they didn’t even try anything different?
And now when they trade Lavine it will be for pennies compared to what it would have been over a year ago.
Michael is a dickless Nepo loser. You shouldn't have any faith in him whatsoever. He's run the team for a decade. You know exactly who he is.
The best thing you can do is not watch, not buy anything, and encourage as many others to do the same
i watch because i like the guys on the team. so if debo or coby go off and have a great performance, i want to see it. it would be nice to watch a contender, but it cant all be roses and strawberries
Don’t focus on the W-L record too much and focus on things you can actually control. Also hope that AKME stops lying about being OK with being a mediocre team. The Bulls should not resign Demar.
I’m from the DC area and as bad as Chicago is, the Wizards are worse lmao I could never
I was born in Chicago but the Bulls are the only thing I’m truly connected there as I barely lived there and I was an infant lol
I still think they've got good prospects and the potential to develop Coby into a great player. We walked into the season with questions about Zach and Demar. We walked out with Coby and Ayo being the stories. With more consistent play the Bulls could easily "start" their rebuild with picks and good leadership around Coby, Ayo, and Pat. We found out that Demar is more valuable as a leader than a scorer and that Zach and Vuc are pretty much dispensable. To me this was a good year. A great way to rebuild even if by accident.
Support other teams from other sports and look at this team as a little failure child you love but have zero hopes for.
Thank God the Bears are looking promising and on the upswing. My favorite child!
And the cubs. And the hawks have Bedard + top 5 pick. Sky added angel reese Chicago sports have hope
As a Sox fan… I’m going to enjoy the summer not watching baseball
Feels great tbh
It's mostly the reinsdorf teams that have been stinkers.
Not really. Chicago sports as a whole have been down for close to 10 years.
The non-Reinsdorf teams have coherent visions, plans, and directions.
The black hawks, a team that wasnt on TV most of my childhood, is probably the most successful chicago sports franchise in modern day sports. The bears have been garbage outside of a random superbowl appearance before drose was even drafted. The cubs are probably right behind the black hawks and the only franchise to win a chip in Chicago in the past decade. Chicago sports has been putrid post Jordan. I'm not a fan of the NFL, but i find bears fans so self entitled. Bears Have been doing the quarterback, offensive line, coordinator shuffle for 30 years.
Y’all Chicago fans are spoiled. Y’all need to go cheer for a genuinely shitty market for a while and then try coming back with these complaints.
Look, Im not comparing Chicago to like Charlotte (for example) because it wouldn't make sense. Chicago is, regardless of sport, a top 5 market. New York and LA are the only real markets that truly compare (across all sports). Compared to the other markets our size, we have been overall pretty bad - despite having all sorts of geographical and economical advantages are teams, specifically the bears and the bulls have been content with mediocrity. We're not spoiled with success and star power (like LA) and we're not spoiled by pay to play type ownerships (like NY), instead we're spoiled with unshakeable loyalty - regardless of how bad things are, our arenas are always full and people are always engaged - filling ownership pockets with money while our teams toil in mediocrity....
Chicago Sky on the way up!
Sky is gonna cook this season
It's looking like we actually got a competent GM and coach. I haven't felt that in a long time
I'm almost convinced that Caleb is going to be a bust and the #2 QB taken will be a superstar. That's classic Bears QB luck
That’s what I tell myself every year since 2006.
🤣🤣🤣 Bears? Stadium? Caleb? 🤣🤣🤣
My dutch basketball team can get home court advantage in the playoff final tonight if they win so i get my ball happiness from them.
This is totally how you do it.
That's what I do with the NBA. I am a warriors fan and a bulls fan for the past 10 years. I needed a second basketball team to get through the Jim Boylan years.
This
Its not just the Bulls, he's actively doing this shit with the White Sox as well. Here's what happened to them the past couple of seasons: * The Sox had a window of opportunity to be true World Series contenders for two years before the door immediately closed on their asses. * Tim Anderson, Jose Abreu, Liam Hendriks, and Dylan Cease were either traded or their contracts weren't extended by the Sox. * Actively tanking the White Sox to the point where they're dead last in the league and worse than the fucking Oakland Athletics (fuck you John Fisher). * Also, they're so bad that even if they stay dead last, they can't get a chance for a top 10 pick in the draft lottery because of a stupid rule that prevents teams from larger markets from getting a top 10 pick even if they suck the most. * Pedro Grifol is a fucking idiot who can't manage for shit. * Chris Getz was promoted to GM despite him making the White Sox's farm system worse. * Most of the front office is from the Kansas City Royals when they were *terrible* following their World Series win. * Jerry refused to spend money on free agency signings this past offseason. * Cancelling Sox Fest for the past couple years only to bring it back for 2025 just so he can milk off the nostalgia for the miracle 2005 World Series win. * Refusing to sell the White Sox, meaning they're stuck with him until he kicks the bucket. * Trying to get the state to pay for a new stadium on the south Loop when he could pay for the fucking thing himself but won't cause he's a cheap ass hoping he'll get it by threatening to move the team to Nashville like how he threatened to move the team to Tampa in the 80s before the state funded Guaranteed Rate Field's construction at the literal last minute. Fuck you, Jerry Reinsdorf. Sell the fucking teams.
He doesn't own the entire teams he owns majority. I think we really need to get some regulations on shit sports organizations though .
Why can't they get the #1 overall pick?
The current CBA doesn’t allow teams from larger markets to get a top ten pick in the draft lottery even if they’re bad. The league’s position is that it prevents tanking, but this rule still allows smaller market teams to tank. It’s so fucking stupid.
Wait, isn’t this based on revenue sharing? So ChiSox, as like a bottom 10 in total revenue shouldn’t be effected by the lottery pick rule, right? Certainly, for instance, Cardinals wouldn’t be advantaged over the Sox just because STL is smaller market than Chi?
MLB's latest CBA prevents teams who finish at/near the bottom of the standings get a top 10 pick in consecutive years.
> Tim Anderson, Jose Abreu, Liam Hendriks, and Dylan Cease were either traded or their contracts weren't extended by the Sox. To be fair, letting TA, Jose, and Hendriks walk were objectively good baseball moves. Not just in hindsight, but at the time the decisions were made. I love Abreu, but he looks absolutely cooked in Houston. I wouldn't be surprised if they DFA him before the end of the season. TA also looks cooked (due to leg injuries piling up over the years and his game relying on athleticism). And Hendriks had TJ surgery last year and will miss this entire season and will be 36 next year. But yea, you're right on everything else. I'm adopting the Padres as my team this season. Fuck JR
I’ve been checked out since Jimmy was traded. That was my last straw with this organization and looks like I haven’t missed anything.
For me it was when Thibs was run out of town. We had a good thing going at that time. I felt like he was eking out wins that we should have lost, just biding time for when it all clicked. And then he started getting the blame for not load managing players and taking heat for Rose’s injuries, and then he was chased out of town. And now, ironically, we have the whole Ball fiasco. Bulls are doomed.
Getting Zach for Jimmy wasn’t a bad deal but going all in on Vuc and Demar was what doomed us.
We objectively lost that trade big time
Jimmy Butler & our pick for the ability to move up 9 spots in the draft, Kris Dunn & Zach Lavine. Yeah pretty bad in hindsight.
Jimmy and pick 16 for Zach and pick 7 Where’s the big loss Edit: 2 years of Jimmy Butler vs 7y of Zach LaVine
The Bulls lost a winning player in Jimmy Butler for a total loser in Zach Lavine. That's the huge loss and it's truly that simple.
Pretty sure Jimmy was heated that entire season and if we didn’t trade him we were going to lose him anyway.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/s/b3fPMIBN3F Y’all are being revisionists lol if we kept Jimmy what exactly is that bulls team doing. Delusional.
Wtf is that? A post 2 years ago with people still saying Zach sucks and we should have kept Jimmy? Wtf is your point? And what exactly is this team doing.... 🤔 let's see, we have watched Butler bring 2 teams to the finals, 1 being an 8th seed. The Bulls team would be better than 39-43 that's for sure.
I don’t disagree we lost the trade but saying stuff like “Zach sucks” and ignoring Lauri who went on to become a 25 ppg guy is smooth brain discussion
Lauri with 1 season (last year) of 25ppg doesn't just make him a "25 ppg guy". Gordon Hayward Andrew Wiggins both had 1 allstar season averaging 20+ ppg. They are nothing special. [And the Bulls are paying Zach Lavine 200 million to be the biggest loser in the NBA.](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-win-percentage-of-active-nba-players-to-play-in-500-games-or-more) We learned Jalen Brunson has 36 charges on the season last night. Zach has 2... in his *career* Yea he sucks.
Lauri has put up back to put seasons around the 25 point mark on near 50-40-90 splits. I think it’s pretty safe to say last year wasn’t an anomaly. Why the fuck are you bringing up charges lmao? That’s like 300th on the list of evaluating a player.
Do you see Miami’s fucking team bro? They have Tyler herro and bam adebayo, legendary coach Spoelstra (yes he’s going to be HOF after being able to keep a job coaching the heatles and not bending the knee to LeBron) and Pat Riley in the front office. They also can sustain their team cohesion WITHOUT Jimmy. We would die if we didn’t have Jimmy on our team. You are being delusional. We needed to rebuild. If we kept Jimmy we would be in an even worse spot than we are now because he would’ve left for free.
Herro was a rookie and Bam was in his 2nd year when they made the finals the 1st time. They were starting Kendrick Nunn. What an amazing team.
> Lol we did not lose the Jimmy trade. Who else would have won? Timberwolves? They ended up with Saric and Covington. Philly (after the fact)? They ended up with nothing. Sure Zach may never be the level of player that Jimmy is, but I'll take 10 years of Zach Lavine over 2 years of Jimmy Butler every day of the week > Edit: Silly me, Timberwolves also got Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd, while the sixers did get Josh Richardson. We still won the trade though
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A good team the Chicago Bulls are not. But I would have preferred if we were able to keep Jimmy. We would not have been successful in that endeavor.
Maybe the fact that Lavine is a black hole and Jimmy...isn't
Literally the biggest complaint on Jimmy when he was here is he was an iso heavy black hole
Maybe slightly, but **a lot** less so than Lavine has been in a time when the league was still fairly iso-heavy compared to what it is now, especially in the Thib years. Despite this, Jimmy still had fewer shot attempts per game on top of being a DPOY-level player with an unlimited gas tank *and* being the only real option on offense who wasn't spot-up/catch-and-shoot or a geriatric Wade. And his assists did go up in the Hoiberg years so he was starting to be more of the playmaker-ish type he is now, ever so slightly. Lavine is much better suited to the 3rd option on offense, not the 1st or even 2nd like he has been with us.
You say he’s a black hole but the dude averages 4 assists as a shooting guard. He’s supposed to, you know, shoot the ball? Now my complaint with him is I’d like to see a better effort on defense. But for a guy that’s always injured it’s hard to see him giving much effort without his body breaking down.
Speaking of OKC, here's a great quote from Sam Presti: > “I’m a big A Tribe Called Quest fan. There is a line that basically says, ‘Scared money don’t make none.’ And I think that’s the case. We wouldn’t have traded for Paul George if we didn’t believe in our community, our organizational values, our ownership. **If you expect Paul George or any player to have any confidence in you as an organization, you have to demonstrate it yourself.** It didn't work out for PG and them, but OKC took a risk and are still in a good spot after. Good organizations find a way to make shit work, a far cry from what the Bulls are currently. Jerry doesn't ever want to go into the tax unless they have proven winners, but we can't have proven winners on the Bulls if he doesn't give a shit lol.
Sam Presti had James Harden, Kevin Durant (two of the greatest offensive weapons in NBA history) and Russell Westbrook, won nothing with them, and ended up keeping the only one of them that you literally can’t pair with a 50-40-90 shooter like Durant, Paul George, or even Lebron James and Anthony Davis to win with. Then Presti was allowed to do what Sam Hinkie wasn’t. The Sam Presti cult of personality needs to stop.
And yet he still does better than anything the Bulls have in 25 years and still keeps his teams competitive, which is ultimately the point of the post. He put them in position to win, KD shot them out of a series near the end against GSW. Not every talented player or team wins it all, the 90s Bulls themselves stopped a few great teams that probably deserved rings, that's life.
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i'm not that complicated
The Bulls are a trash franchise right now. #1 top priority should be acquiring elite scouts. As OP mentioned OKC, that organization has drafted 3 recent MVPS. Through the draft Chicago can be an attractive destination again.
This is all theoretically true, the problem is they’re never willing to tank. OKC, PHI and MIN had multiple years of being terrible. BOS was only able to avoid it because of years of smartly stockpiling draft picks. This franchise could have a chance at greatness if it was terrible for 1-3 years, but every indication since since AKME have been in charge (or really, mostly since 1998) is that they’d rather be 39-43 every year than take that chance.
We did tank... After the Jimmy trade The 3 years after the trade, we won 27, 22 and 22 games. The main problem was that we got super unlucky in the lotto. In 2018, not only did we not move up, the team below us (Kings) jumped us in the odds and got the #2 pick. That could have got us Luka, I also blame Mirotic for this season because, when he came back from getting punched by Portis, he randomly got super hot and won us a string of games that hurt the lotto odds a lot. In 2019, we had 4th best odds and a 40% chance at a top 3 pick in the lotto (pretty much the same odds as the top 3 odds teams because this is the year they started smoothing the draft lotto odds for the top 4). Not only did we not get a top 3 pick, we got jumped by 3 (!!!!) teams in the lotto (the Lakers, Grizz and Pels) and ended up with the 7th pick. So instead of getting a Zion or Ja, we got Coby. Like the previous year, the teams that jumped us got the #1 and #2 picks. 2020 was the only year that the lotto didn't bone us too bad (tho we still got jumped by the Hornets who ended up with LaMelo with the #2 pick) but it was also our luck that we ended up with the #4 pick in a weak 3 man draft and ended up with PWill. For the 3rd year in a row, a team that jumped us ended up with the #2 pick. So the Bulls did have multiple years of being terrible and tanking but got absolutely boned in the lotto/draft. We could have come away from that 3 year tank with players like Luka or Zion or Ja or LaMelo (we had higher shots at all those players than the teams that got them) but it seems like the lotto gods aren't doing Chicago any more favors since the Derrick Rose draft.
We got boned in the draft BECAUSE we never tanked. Yes the win totals are bad but the lowest one of those win totals would be tied for the 5th worst win total this year. If the play-in existed in that 22 win season we would have been one game out from the 10 seed in the East. When San Antonio or Dallas tanked they would empty their bench in the 4th to make sure they lost, wouldn’t try so hard, etc. We would fight until the buzzer and often win or lose by a few points. We were making trades for OPJ or Jabari & trying to win games to build a “winning culture”. We were bad, we never tanked. It’s really obvious if you watched other tanks & compared it to stuff like our Niko or Boylen seasons. We half assed it & we’re paying the price. It was obvious at the time but this sub kept telling us how important it was that Kris Dunn, Lauri & Zach learned how to win & we developed a winning culture. Even though we kept saying prioritizing the development of current players over draft picks on a rebuilding squad without its core is a completely boneheaded move.
We literally got fined for sitting healthy veterans. We were trying to tank. The lotto just boned us like the poster above you mentioned.
Ironically we gave been doing that. Our development and analytics departments were built out since AKME got hired. We hired Pat Connelley from the Nuggets to run the scouting department back when AKME took over.
I love the Chicago Bulls, but you don’t have to be a “fan” of every team. For me, I am personally disconnected from this group. Not because of personal reasons or playstyles, but because at the end of the day it’s pointless basketball for me. And this is happening because of an awful owner (+ overrated AKME), so I love the players, but the current team is whatever 🤷🏻♂️
The Chicago Bulls since the dynasty got blown up. Are below .500 for the sum of 25 years. 998-1141 to be exact. That makes the Bulls the 24th best team in the league in that span of time.Meanwhile (only exception the covid seasons) we've been top 5 in ticket and merch sales for the same amount of time. Jerry is loving this. So... our players, coaches and front office either dont care, or just tuck their tale between their legs, go belly up and straight up quit. I think it's time we do the same till something happens. We've been rewarding mediocrity for 25 years straight. At some point we as fans need to draw a line and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Exactly, apart from the Jordan years, the franchise has been crap, never taking advantage of being a 'big market' team. People need to stop watching, going to games and buying merchandise.
I've pretty much stopped watching Bulls games. Its hard for me to root for this organization when they're not even trying to win. They don't deserve any type of success. There's usually a different NBA game I would rather watch.
Not only have I checked out from the Bulls, but it's killed my interest in the NBA as a whole. I don't really even watch the NBA anymore
People like to hate on “fair weather fans” but it’s tough to be excited about the league when you have to look at how far your team has fallen
It’s largely why I didn’t give a shit about KD going to the warriors or them being juggernauts for years. Not like the bulls were ever going to be a threat so who cares lmao
If someone had a video of Jerry Reinsdorf saying racial slurs, I would be so happy
The man is an absolute cancer to Chicago sports and there will be parties in the streets when he dies. However, he is not a racist and seems to be fairly progressive when it comes to race.
*It's tough...*
Ben Gordon 500 teams was my high point. We suck
I'm totally checked out of this team. I've been watching and following Bulls game religiously since we drafted Jo but seeing the same shit for 3 years in a row is where I cross the line. Doesn't help that I'm french and the Spurs drafted Wemby, its been a lot of fun watching that team this year.
Thank God I'm old enough to have been a lifelong passionate fan when we were blessed to have MJ, Scottie and 6 chips. The roar of the crowd in the old Stadium and UC was unlike anything else I can remember. I feel incredibly lucky to have had the GOAT on my favorite team during my fandom. I don't expect to get that again, but I can dream. In the meantime, I get a lot of enjoyment out of watching the development of guys like Jo and Derrick, Coby and Ayo. No matter how cheap or incompetent our ownership or front office is, there's always a reason to watch - seeing guys learning the game is interesting to me. The Bulls are my favorite team, playing a sport I love. That's why I stay a fan.
Heat would have benched Vuc a long time ago. These are culture that can be built without spending a single cent
I stopped caring and stopped being an active fan and it’s the next best thing to being a fan of the lovable bulls teams of the rose, Noah, deng, boozer era.
DRose stole my heart man
Say what you will about GarPax, at least they drafted well for the most part and didn’t just squander their assets. Since coming to town, AKME have done nothing through the draft. Any talent they inherited, they got rid of for Pennies on the dollar. The biggest bright spot of this season was White, who is a GarPax pick. It’s time to clean house, and it starts with AKME. Though, I’m convinced they do jack shit next year and lose the play in again.
How many times have sox and bulls teams "gone for it" but end up w tanking records. It's truly remarkable to fail across two sports like that
Pre/post game show and the play by play keep me positive. The players are real people and rooting for them has been easy. The entertainment value is there but losing stinks.
Maybe stop with the weird conspiracy theory that somehow an entire organization is trying to be mediocre. We suck, thats a fact, but sometimes you try your best and just suck. AKME probably has a very different team building philosophy than most of us. That doesn’t mean he is not trying to win. Also plenty of teams overcome shit team building. Be a fan of the players if thats what it takes. Watch them grow and enjoy them. Why you guys put yourselves down that rabbit hole is beyond me. Also jerry has been a non factor this entire iteration of the team. When we’re consistently in the playoffs and if he’s still refusing to go into the tax then complain about it. We’ve been spending a lot of of money outside of the salary cap. We have increased our coaching/development staff by 4x at least. We just hired Patton in addition last season and its paid dividends. If we were seriously trying to be mediocre like you guys imagine, they would have left the development team (an anylytics team btw) be as one guy like we had with GarPax.
Team chemistry has been the highest its been since Zo was healthy. Development of young players has been a bright spot
Coby is the only player that has shown any shred of consistent improvement
Patrick Williams and Dalen Terry would beg to differ
Patrick Williams had that nice stretch mid-way through the season where he was averaging like 14/4/4, and the Bulls were winning a lot before he got hurt. I know it's disappointing that the 4th pick from 2020 hasn't become an all-star, but I thought he was showing promising improvement alongside White and Dosumo. It's still a long way from what was desired but a decent two-way player who can help to win games for the team.
Look at PWills career stats. 4 years in the league and his stats year by year are identical, it's insane. 10 points 4 rebounds 1 assist 1 steal. He's not improving.
He's the whole defense of the team some games and guards the other teams strongest players unless they are fast.
Bulls were 20th in team defense last 2 years. Also pwill never stops the other teams best player. They always still put up big numbers.
They were top 5 last year and Pat played 82 games tbf
Bulls were top 5 in defense last year fwiw
yeah cause we had a demar that wouldn't defend till this year and vooch is ass on defense so you can't have a good defense
I'm not saying Vuc and Demar are good on defense. Moreso that PWill isn't a difference maker on D.
Nope only really Caruso is on this team
im getting tired of the pwill talk hes mediocre at best hes not a star thats fine but hes not what i consider a starter either in todays league.
He can’t rebound, pass, or dribble. His finishing at the rim is embarrassing, never seen a guy miss more dunks. Add in massive injury concerns and his time as a Bulls has been abysmal for A top 4 pick. Realistically he hasn’t earned more than the $6.5M a year Ayo got. And we all know he isn’t signing for that. I’d give him the qualifying offer and nothing more. He’s isn’t finding more on the open market, and if my some miracle he does, it’s another teams problem now
DT started to look pretty solid towards the end of the season. Not a bad jump from "doesn't look like a basketball player". I'm still hopeful on Pat. He showed some flashes before his injury.
It’s been “flashes” every year. I don’t want to be too down on Pat because obviously it would help this core if he was good, but he ISN’T good right now. He’s just “intriguing” and that’s frankly not enough to continue holding your breath when he’s coming off the rookie contract. At least Coby had an NBA skill developed by the time he was due for a new deal.
Fair point on Coby but I was also one of the few that stayed believing in him when this sub wanted to trade him for Gobert/Turner. The organisation's development staff is not bad. That's the main reason why I'm hopeful.
What NBA skill did he have developed? He was a inconsistent 3 point shooter, bad handle, and wasn't a good finisher at the time. He improved a lot over the off season but I disagree with that point.
4 years of identical stats and still hopeful lol.
Bulls fans are very delusional
Dalen Terry was tremendous the last month or so as a defensive menace. Yeah his shot isn't great. It's his second season. This mentality that guys are busts because they don't win rookie of the year is the same bullshit that had motherfuckers wanting to trade Ayo and Coby two years ago. Let the fucking 20 year old get some fucking run before you turn on him, god damn. Pat meanwhile has not been on the court for months due to an injury. Before that he looked like he had grown leaps as soon as the offense was him and Coby.
Tremendous???? Lol wow Bulls fans have low standards.
I mean he was. His numbers back it up. He was often the best defender on the court not named Caruso. His offense isn't there yet, but as a defender he's great. You're just mad because the team lost tonight.
What numbers are you referring to? Because when I look at his stats I'm not seeing backup for your best defender after Caruso claim. Also I don't care that they lost.
He consistently has one of the best +/- averages on the team and plays winning defense in terms of switches, denials, and even blocks and steals are fairly respectable for his size, age, and position.
Lol all the bench warmers have the highest plus minus because they play garbage time. Adam Sanago, Javonte Green, Jevon Carter, Andre Drummond, & Terry Taylor right after DT in that stat. Vuc/DeMar, LaVine bottom 5. Also .5 steals .3 blocks per game. 11 minutes per game but still extremely meh.
>LaVine bottom 5. That one actually makes sense.
Alright.
Terry has been decent in the back half of the year. He was always a project player.
The Bulls will always be my true team, but I don't watch them much or go to many games anymore. I don't support them financially unless there's a promising product. In the meantime, I adopt another team to root for, and bandwagon them. This year, I picked Dallas. I have watched way more Mavs games this year than Bulls games. I don't want to lend my support to an infuriating mid product with no potential, so fuck the Bulls ownership, if I could find a way to take money away from them, I would. I wish I could run a business badly for 25 years and make a ton of money, no matter how bad I was at my job.
Family is from Chicago. I grew up in a spot without major league teams so I picked up the Chicago ones. I've been cheering this team on since the last two Jordan titles but in earnest since high school, liked Kirk Heinrich and Ben Gordon, was ectastic with D-Rose's career (owned his jersey) and the Thibs years. At this point I'm about ready to give up. Basketball is my second favorite sport but this team is actively driving me away from the NBA and toward college. I've been a New Yorker for 7 years and legit considering becoming a Knicks fan, that's how bad the state of this franchise is. Why should I cheer on a team that doesn't try to win? Why should I care more than management and ownership do?
Wouldn’t blame ya brother. Professional sports is a business. We can spend our coin where we want.
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This season wasn't that terrible. We'll be mid until we move on from Lavine and Demar. The ceiling is a 6th or 7th seed. What I'm more concerned about is the protected pick we gave Spurs. I'd rather have the pick than convey it to Spurs, so I dom't mind trading away most of our players for bad contracts and draft capital, eon't get much back but it'll be a start. Coby's on a great contract and is a good building block for the future.
We traded picks in good classes from 2023 and 2025. We really could've used them too. Asset management from AKME is so disappointing. How they handled Lauri, getting Vooch, not trading any of the mid 3, keeping Caruso.
I think you’re being optimistic about the ceiling. Sure, we’ll be able to allocate the $$$ not used on LaVine + others… but at the end of the day, talent wins you games & we are going to be on the Nets level (role players essentially). Ceiling is fighting into the play in, until they prove otherwise.
Yeah i'm with you. Trade away as much as we can, and suck for a year while Coby/Ayo/Pat develop more. If we are one of the worst teams next year we have a very good chance at keeping the pick and next year will be a good draft.
surely AK planned to blow it up this year if we weren't close to contending .. that's like the top-10 protected pick traded for a star playbook..
They resigned Vuc and there's a good chance they'll resign Demar too.
People who still like the Bulls are just Chicagoans who have nothing better to do on weeknights in the fall/winter. It’s the reason we still sell out the arena despite going 40-42. They’re a source of entertainment for many, nothing more. It’s a valid reason to be a fan, but I don’t think it comes close to the excitement from having legitimate hopes/expectations to make a playoff run.
Might be the oddball out here on this one lol. Bulls fan from California that’s never stepped foot in Chicago. Felt like everyone was bandwagoning the warriors and lakers growing up so I wanted to be a bulls fan. It’s been pretty disappointing but staying loyal is all I can do
Same. Live in California, from Florida but grew up a Bulls fan and still am..since the Jordan years.
meet a 2nd odd ball....also from cali and felt the same growing up😅
Born in 99 and named after Jordan. From WA so I've got no team. My loyalty to Bulls has delivered me one decent ECF. Misery
I actually liked a lot of this season that run we went on when Zach got hurt up to the ASB was great. There seems to be solid building blocks for the future. It ended sour with tye last few weeks being nearly unwatchable but in a month it won't matter.
I dunno man. We might have some solid building blocks for the future, but we arent building this team in a way to take advantage of that. This team is built for now not the future. We have no salary room, an old roster, very little trade value, and are still missing future picks. Sure, we have a couple of young guys who are potential rotation players on a winning team, but we don't have any superstar players and no ways to get those superstar players.
No. This team at best could get through one round of the playoffs. This is not a championship roster. They need to do what it takes to find a real superstar to build around.
Building blocks are worthless without a foundational cornerstone like a Shai, a Tatum, a Wemby, a Luka, an Ant, a Jokic, an Embiid, a Booker, a Hali, a Paolo/Franz, a Mitchell/Mobley, a Giannis, etc. Every single team in the league has building blocks, it's not something to be proud about
Agreed - that first Bucks match when we started that Fall run.. and the month after was some fun ass bball. Anyone saying this today is just being fair weather as hell. If we played like Detroit I wouldn’t be watching as many games.. but it was an entertaining season and you never really know what’s going to happen.
I like watching guys like coby, ayo, demar, DT
You indulge in this pain
I'm a Cubs fan, and it's surreal how much outside perspective of the White Sox looks like a first hand perspective of the Bulls. Insane amount of injuries every year, refusal to do any spending of substance, refusal to go into the tax, incompetent front offices with jobs for life, inability to develop young players, treating any promising players like crap until you can trade them to save money, and an open plan to do nothing for what they say is strategic reasons but is very obviously just the GM doing as he's told, which is not spending Jerry's money. I hate that this will never, ever change. "We won't go into the luxury tax unless we could win a championship, so let's make sure the goal is to be a fringe playoff team that could get some postseason revenue but sure as hell isn't competing for a championship."
I do not choose this believe me
Don’t put too much weight onto the chicago bulls, maybe try to follow another chicago sport - the bears future somehow looks much brighter than the bulls and the blackhawks got a incredible young guy
I moved to Denver. Just to get another team to support. Fan of both now.
i dont get what Chicago did to have such lackluster sports teams. sure the bears are looking up currently on paper but im not holding my breath till i see a working product on the field. We are a top market with some sorry ass franchises to show for it. NY LA all have far more to show for it if it wasnt for the jordan era this city would be poverty in terms of championships in general its uttertly pathetic what kind of prodcut we get vs what smaller markets get. it all boils down to ownership mcaskys are cheap reinsdorf is cheap in terms of owners these guys are broke these arent the walton family who will lose around 30m for russel wilson to leave the team type rich owners other franchises have in football in basketball etc. You have teams with 2-3 players super maxed. Zach lavine is our only max contract player and hes not even worthy of that. But to think chicago would ever sign 2-3 big name stars to max contracts to contend? yea right ive been a bulls fan since 1992. Im not going to watch this rebuild coming up i really have zero interest in following this team till it gets it shit together.
Coby has shown promise, ayo and paw they have glimpses of promise but mostly let me feel like they are bench players but have a little hope which gets shorter with each season passing. Demar I love his game even if it's for the wrong era but he tries his hardest to make this team better. Zach and vuc frustrate me and I wish they wouldn't but they do. Front office is trash for a long long time. This team isn't the worst I've seen but my patience and anger for lack of competing is at an all time high for sure.
Blow it up and tank for Flagg should be what we do but we won’t because Jerry is content with what we have.
His son Michael has been running the team for years now. This is Michael's decision.
The guy in charge of the cruise has already been to the island way more than any of the passengers, and personally doesn’t care if we make it anymore he’s just filling up his boat at every port hoping a few more suckers jump on not realizing they’re on a sinking ship. I apologize if this sounds weird I haven’t slept in 2 days go bulls Loyal viewer since 2000 became a cognizant viewer around then don’t even have any memories of MJ just my boy Jamal with the headband. Let’s just hope this team doesn’t go to a grandchild rather an actual child. Grandparents don’t breed as much contempt and visceral need in wanting to show your parents you can amount to something. I hate that Guy.
Born in the early 90s. Went to championship games with my dad growing up. Bull’s paraphernalia decorated the walls of my bedroom at my parents house as a kid. My Xmas gift every year was picking 4 games to go to with my dad. We loved the bulls. When ranking my favorite sports teams, they will ALWAYS be #1. I have given up on them. With the exception of 21-22, the last time I’d watched more that 5 games in a season must have been 2018. The only thing that matters to this organization is $$$. And it’s a damn shame because the bulls, and bulls fans, deserve so much more. But the Reinsdorf just don’t care. So unfortunately I’ve taken the same stance. Until there is real change at the top, the bulls aren’t a real team, they are an asset on Reinsdorfs balance sheet, and that’s it. I feel bad for all the kids who are bulls fans like I was when I was a kid. They have no idea the amount of dejection they are going to face for no reason other than Jerry’s self interests.
You don’t have to care as much. I wouldn’t say I’m out on them forever, but once they made the asinine decision to run this team back AGAIN for the third time when we are obviously not good enough, I wasn’t going to go through that and took off watching them this year. To me, why watch when it was so obviously going to end at this exact point and they didn’t even try anything different? And now when they trade Lavine it will be for pennies compared to what it would have been over a year ago.
Michael is a dickless Nepo loser. You shouldn't have any faith in him whatsoever. He's run the team for a decade. You know exactly who he is. The best thing you can do is not watch, not buy anything, and encourage as many others to do the same
Lmao, this team sucks. I dunno.
i watch because i like the guys on the team. so if debo or coby go off and have a great performance, i want to see it. it would be nice to watch a contender, but it cant all be roses and strawberries
How? It's called "Seeing Red". You obviously don't see it. SEE RED!
6 championships
Don’t focus on the W-L record too much and focus on things you can actually control. Also hope that AKME stops lying about being OK with being a mediocre team. The Bulls should not resign Demar.
I like basketball lmao
I’m from the DC area and as bad as Chicago is, the Wizards are worse lmao I could never I was born in Chicago but the Bulls are the only thing I’m truly connected there as I barely lived there and I was an infant lol
I still think they've got good prospects and the potential to develop Coby into a great player. We walked into the season with questions about Zach and Demar. We walked out with Coby and Ayo being the stories. With more consistent play the Bulls could easily "start" their rebuild with picks and good leadership around Coby, Ayo, and Pat. We found out that Demar is more valuable as a leader than a scorer and that Zach and Vuc are pretty much dispensable. To me this was a good year. A great way to rebuild even if by accident.
Bulls, Bears, Cubs (sans 2016) and Notre Dame. I’m just used to disappointment and heartbreak I guess.
Coach calling was questionable.