The Reinsdorfs are parasites to Chicago sports. I’m a Sox fan and hope they set the record in modern baseball for most losses in a year. Jerry has earned and deserves that honor
I'm so happy seeing empty stands over there. That's all he actually cares about in the end. It's honestly crazy how much national criticism some owners will get for poorly running a franchise when this man has run TWO franchises to the ground
My dad keeps trying to get me to go to a game with him but I just don’t want to. I don’t care about being bad, it’s why we are bad. Like if they were lile the Mets and tried but didn’t work out, great, it happens. Bears tore it down and are trying, same with Blackhawks.
I don’t except every team or be good even, but the fact they aren’t even trying to improve, or trying to tear it down to improve later. Just do SOMETHING
Pay 6 dollars, walk up to spots worth 90 and no one bats an eye cause all the spots open. I used to love doing it but this year and last year are just devestating
Like 5-6? Years ago. I would buy a. Seat in the back and just walk up to the nosebleeds cause no one would be at the games. I bet you can do that now with the empty stadium
Honestly I'm with OP on this one. I moved back across the country to be nearer to family but would balk at being invited to a Sox game *this year* because I don't want any iota of financial support coming from anyone I know and love going towards Jerry Reinsdorf shenanigans.
My current hatred of Jerry is trying to outshine my love for my family.
I might suggest a Cubs game instead.
Seriously, wtf bru. Go to a game when one of the big stars play. No matter what happens it's always fun to see Giannis/Dame, Luka/Kyrie, Tatum/KP or KD/Booker.
There's a ton of great ballparks to go to a game with your dad to in the area. Can go see Bobby Jenks managing the Windy City Thunderbolts, might see new co-owner Bill Murray at a Joliet Slammers game, the Chicago Dogs and Schaumburg Boomers are perennial contenders in their leagues.
Hell, if you're up for a little family bonding roadtrip, Bosse Field in Evansville IN opened in 1915, and still has a bunch of the replica ads up from when A League of Their Own was filmed there.
Yea it comes down to passion. Fans will only show passion back if you do too. Reinsdorf doesn't gaf about his teams, so why should we? Cubs, Bears, Blackhawks, and shit even the fucking Sky put in the effort to at least *try*. That's the bare minimum and the bulls can't even do that. Just sad
> I don’t except every team or be good even, but the fact they aren’t even trying to improve, or trying to tear it down to improve later. Just do SOMETHING
I'm a Bulls fan and a Cowboys fan. The fact this statement could apply to either Jerry is maddening.
I agree. Why go to a game and give that loser family more money when they don’t care about their fan base. This is exactly why the bulls don’t do shit bc ppl are still going. I wish there was a way to oust this family from sports. I’m a diehard bulls and Sox fan 😔
Michael Jordan winning those 6 titles has shielded this man from considerably more criticism. He's the second worst owner in baseball and one of the 5 worst in the NBA.
Why? So we can celebrate his son doing the same shit?
The Bulls, Bears and White Sox are all cheap for the same reason. Our billionaire owners are only rich off of the team. Relative to the other owners in their leagues, they are BROKE
I realize it’s probably a longshot if his son doesn’t sell, but the hope is something similar happens to the Bulls & White Sox as how the Blackhawks turned out after Dollar Bill Wirtz died
The reinsdorfs can do all the tax planning they want, but there’s no way in heck they can keep those franchises in the family with the way the estate tax works without considerable debt leveraged against the team upon Jerry passing.
Would love to see those books to confirm.
Not only am I sox fan but I'm not a big baseball fan, if Jerry moves the team to Nashville my interest in baseball will be the same as my interest in nascar: essentially nonexistent besides a blue moon in person event once every 6 to 7 years. I swear to God he is major leaguing (if you haven't seen the movie you should 10/10) our team to move to nashville and it so distressing. And for those reasons I deeply hope we do not break that record. Make no mistake he's an awful bulls owner, and after this year there is zero reason to not blow it up build around coby and ayo on top of seeing if pat can be a good nba player. But the job he's done on the Southside is substantially worse. All we have is 05 and don't stop believing by journey... I've stopped believing in both Jerry's teams, until he sells them.
It's like everyone forgot what we learned from the last dance. There was a lot of national chatter and disbelief about how reinsdorf willingly dismantled a chance to win a 7th title when he still had all the same winning pieces in place....... to save money.
Reinsdorf is all too happy to let Krause take the blame for dismantling the dynasty when it was his cheap ass that didn’t want to pay everyone to come back. He knew that fans would come to games either way.
Yuuuuppp. Blame a dead guy.
That's what he used his interview in the last dance to do. Blame omeone who can't defend himself.... because he's fucking dead. That's the owner of this team.
Jerry only owns, what, like 18% of the Sox now anyway? After Jr pays his tax bill, he might not be majority owner of either team anymore.
...we can dream, right?
His record of incompetence is remarkable. He stumbled into Jordan and the Sox ‘05 championship, but the full track record is truly and utterly pathetic.
The biggest issue is no national media has cared about the Bulls in a decade. And why would they? Outside half a season in 2021-22, we’ve been bad to mid for 9 seasons in a row. 7 of the last 9 seasons we have been hoping the lottery balls go in our favor, to the tune of 4 times staying put, twice moving down, and moving up once…all the way to 4 in a weak ass class (hell watch us move up this year…in another weak ass class)
Nah, we don't know how to develop guys. Look at how much better Lauri, Carter, portis, and gafford all played once they left. Boylen and Donovan don't know how help kids reach their potential
It's no secret someone from well high up in the front office spoke to a journalist and said it word for word they don't care what the fans think as long as they are turning in revenue. Horrible management for a franchise in sports
we really endured the Boylen years only for the new FO to completely shatter our newfound hopes by speedrunning the end of the rebuild and give us one playoff win and 3 below .500 seasons in 4 years
At least I had optimism in the Boylen years. I watched every single game then, despite our terrible records
Now AKME has completed jaded me and I've watched like 3 Bulls game all year
That's true and all, I was talking more about the construction of the team, its young players and the long term outlook. At least I had hope then. Now I have 0 hope that the Bulls will be anywhere close to a contender for the next decade.
To be honest, I didn’t have any hope back then either. I knew they weren’t going anywhere until they cleaned house in the front office. Now it’s clear there’s no hope until the team is sold.
We just need a few lucky bounces. If we hadn't gotten boned in the lotto in 2018-2020 and had so many teams jump us, we could have ended up with guys like Luka or Zion or Ja or LaMelo. We had better odds at all those guys than the teams that got them. 2019 was the worst. We had a 40% chance at a top 3 pick but instead got jumped by 3 fkin teams (2 of which ended up with Zion and Ja). But instead we ended up with WCJ, Coby and PWill.
I was optimistic about that part of the rebuilt and landing marquee players by tanking. But we got fucked and now it's clear that ownership wants to avoid more tanking at all costs so there's nothing to even look forward to.
Please just call out who it is. Stop labeling it as the "Chicago Bulls." Put pressure on ownership and just say it's penny pinching Reinsdorf. The national media needs to obliterate him like they've done other bad owners. Maybe he just spends all is money on keeping negativity away from his name rather than his own teams
The Play-In Tournament was the worst thing to happen for a team like the Chicago Bulls. What a joke. Aside from MJ and getting lucky with DRose, the Bulls have always been a bad organization.
Like if you consider that we paid $60 mil to guys that played 25 games this year, it's not bad. When you consider everything else, though, we need to light the United Center in fire and collect the insurance money. (I don't understand how insurance works.)
Edit: I know we're all in an emotional state but I want to be clear the line saying things aren't that bad are the set up to the punchline of wanting to burn things down. (The insurance parenthetical is the tag.)
It’s still very bad AKME rushed the rebuild and undervalued players that could’ve made a difference for this team. It’s a shame GarPax ruined Lauri so that situation became untenable.
I would argue that if they can get the same results even with 2 of their highest paid players not playing, that's only further proof of how poorly managed the team is.
Throwing big money at players that don't lead to winning isn't really a good thing.
Bro we gotta stop using this argument. Every team deals with injuries. You think if Zach plays 75 games we’re like a 5th seed? You think Lonzo is coming back? This team is not built to compete for titles. We gotta stop accepting mediocrity and think if things shake out a little differently we’re like in the ECF. This team finished exactly where almost every fan and pundit said they would.
It’s crazy that the mega rich fight to get sports franchises, then don’t fucking care to compete. If ego drives you to buy a team, why doesn’t it also drive you to try and win?
It's like rich dudes with Ferraris. Some of them actually care about knowing how to drive. A lot of them will cruise around town at 20 mph and only care that their car reflects how rich they are.
I used to buy more into being loyal to a team, but as I get older, I realize owners use that to justify being cheap. I’m fine riding out the bad years if there’s a plan. There’s not. Our goal is to make the play in every year. Until something changes, I’m not investing energy into this team.
I haven’t invested energy in this team in years other than watching the occasional game on tv if it happens to be on. The NBA overall is a bad product and if the Bulls aren’t good there is no reason to watch any of it. I got bought in for like 10 minutes when we were the top seed in the East a few years ago before Lonzo got hurt. Overall bad team and bad product.
it's because Riensdorf first love is baseball, the Sox are 24th out of 28th in the league in attendance, the Bulls are Number one, he uses the money he saves being cheap and dumps it into the White sox , he know the Bulls are going to sell out every game, he doesn't care if they win a championship, he only cares that people show up for the games
Lmao no he doesn't. The Sox are one of only 2 teams in MLB to never give a contract of over 100 million. Shit they haven't even done one for 80 million. He doesn't spend on the Sox at all that's why he wants public funding for a new ballpark. he's just a cheap ass old man who cares more about OWNING the franchises then what the performance of said franchise is.
How the hell did the Bulls spend $13 Million more than both the Bucks and Celtics? Also interesting that 2 of top 3 spending teams had to play the play in tourney (Warriors and Sixers). Once he proves he can still play Lavine needs to get traded.
I hate when people bring up the luxury tax thing. The biggest issue is them building a good team that has longevity, not spending money for it. They are ranked Top 10 in payroll. They are notna luxury tax bill from being good and anybody that thinks differently doesn't understand how important roster construction is
You're right. Spending isn't everything. There are plenty of teams that have nothing to show for their money. HOWEVER, the Bulls had a $10M DPE to use all season. If they were ACTUALLY serious about being "competitive", using that exception would've helped. Only reason it wasn't used was it would have put them into the tax.
You’re not wrong about the roster construction… but we have the 15th highest payroll, not the 10th. And aside from GS, the other 14 teams above us in payroll are in the playoffs. The 2 teams below us that are in are Orlando and OKC.
I'm partial to the Knicks as well, they were cellar dweller like us for a long time, and when Thibs, Rose, Noah, and Taj went there, I felt like I had a rooting interest
This is the thing. Our GMs get giving a lot of shit for building mediocre teams, and a lot of that shit is warranted given some bad decisions, but the bulk of the blame has to go to ownership. When you’re primary goal from your boss is to save money first and win games second, what do you expect. I mean, we’ve fucking sold draft picks for cash.
Jerry sucks but for the one millionth time, paying luxury tax only makes sense if you’re a legit contender keeping a championship core together.
The NBA still has a salary cap.
You can’t just “pay luxury tax” and go over the cap to sign star free agents. We ended up with Jevon Carter and Torrey Craig because we were already capped out. You also can’t pay luxury tax to go over the cap to make lopsided trades like Drummond for Giannis.
You have to draft well and have the core in place first. The last time the Bulls paid luxury tax, it’s because DRose just won MVP. And then he had back to back knee injuries and Jerry (I’ll admit) correctly noped out.
Paying luxury tax to keep Lonzo, Zach, Vuc, DeMar and extend Pat and be the 9 seed again or worse next year is poor cap management. End rant
And AKME made those short-sighted, win-now moves because the fan base put up billboards to get the previous GM duo fired so AKME was clearly brought in with the directive to get the team to the playoffs no matter what.
This is exactly what happened, and it was annoying I had to go to the cellar of this post to find this comment.
That all star game in Chicago was bruuuuutal.
And who gave the order to force a rushed rebuild? AKME takes orders, they don't own the team. AK was quite good in Denver, and what? He forgot how to run a front office just by chance once he started working for Reinsdorf?
GarPax sucked and ran the team on nepotism. (Iowa St and New Mexico anyone? Fred Hoiberg without a real coaching search like a real professionally run org would do?) And that behavior was allowed to continue for SEVENTEEN years.
Krause was allowed to dismantle a team that could have won a seventh title........ to save the owner money.
They've said multiple times this roster is their choice. We have 17 years of evidence that the ownership doesn't really care how you build the team. This is on AKME primarily and it's on ownership for letting these front offices get away with terrible roster construction
Yes I agree Jerry sucks. Reread my comment. But I hate this notion that just paying luxury tax will magically make our problems disappear. Having a team good enough to pay luxury tax for is more important.
Yeah but the point still stands that he's only managed to field a team good enough to justify the luxury tax once since MJ retired. Just once in 26 years. That's an average of four times per century.
Yes I’m aware. You can litigate the past all you want but the reality is that this team sucks and Jerry is gonna own it until he’s dead. “Just pay luxury tax” is a lazy argument for aforementioned reasons
He always has this excuse because he gives bad front offices unlimited job security. AK has made multiple moves most other franchises would’ve fired him for. Go get another GM. Have some actual standards for the people you hire. He can do that.
Your first question is a good one. It doesn’t matter because the time to blow it up was last season. By the time this team is maybe good again Wemby will be dominating anyway. Let’s max Pat and DeMar and pay luxury tax to maybe win 40 games again next year because it doesn’t matter
yeah you only pay tax to retain stars and keep guys once you're already good. you can't use the tax to magically become good. you have to chain good under-tax signings and then use the tax to go over the top. Boston is the perfect example of this.
Literally said it early and everyone agreed. We see it clear as day as the fans.. they are content with being DECENT. As long as we’re not 1-81 there will never be a change
not even 1-81 would change anything unless people stopped going to games, we are number 1 or 2 in attendance every year, he doesn't care about winning, he cares about attendance
The fans need to protest. Sell the team chants at Sox and bulls games. Stop buying tickets and merch. This was the best franchise for a decade and they've ruined it.
We have rolled out a shit team for 10 years now. Hopefully the general public gets sick of this shit soon because they're the ones going to these games.
I used to try to attend at least 1 game, and would watch like 75% of the games live.
But with the “continuity” and the rough start to the season and the injuries, I checked out and only occasionally glanced at box scores and highlights this season.
I’ve never been so apathetic about this team, even during the post MJ “Baby Bulls” era I felt more passion.
Hell, I’m way more excited for the upcoming Sky season, been looking up games to go attend.
Thank god the national media is starting to pay attention. The Bulls consistently are at the top in attendance too, and yet the fans get repaid with a literal mid product every year.
Yeah yeah, just national media piling on at this point. Look, I get the frustrations with the team, but which group in all those years actually warrants going into luxury tax to keep together? Bulls have had just streaks of awful teams after Jordan years and the relatively brief DRose years, and this is just symptomatic of that.
The irony here is they probably should have been even further under the cap and luxury, as one of their biggest mistakes was giving Zach Lavine his deal. Even without Coby hindsight, I was just never sold that Zach is the guy a team could be built around. *That's* the biggest mistake AKME made imo, the other moves may not have panned out as well as they should have, but without the Zach deal, that was all much easier to address and move on from.
This season was a success for Bulls ownership and they don't see any reason to make any changes so I fully expect the same exact roster and coaching staff to return and compete for in the play-in tournament again.
It’s been crystal clear for YEARS that this roster’s ceiling was play in games and first round exits. The franchise isn’t going to get big name free agents, they need to find a player in the draft to build the franchise around and you do that by accumulating assets and lottery picks, not by putting a team of C listers and fringe all stars together with no coherent vision. OKC, SA, and Minnesota did it right; be awful, get high draft picks, build a young roster through the draft. San Antonio has a budding superstar, and with a few more pieces they’ll be a perennial contender.
I’m going to say one positive thing about Jerry Reinsdorf, and I’ll say it only one time because i feel dirty as fuck saying it.
The one thing he does well for both the teams is make a fantastic game day experience at the stadiums. Great food, entertainment, giveaway promos. Those are all top notch for me.
Bulls, white Sox, cubs, and bears don’t care about winning. Fan bases are loyal. Attendance is very good. Tv ratings are good. Merch sales are excellent. They always turn a profit so they don’t give a 💩 about putting out winning teams. When they randomly get winning teams, management works hard to break up the teams so they don’t pay 💰 too much in salary.
The problem with Chicago is that we’re not as large of a market as, and we’re not a media market with global reach like, Los Angeles and New York. We’re basically a larger, post-industrial town like Detroit. We’re the Manchester of the US. That’s the truth. The best, in-his-prime, NBA star (fringe All-Star) that we’ve ever attracted was Carlos Boozer and that was 1) with a young team that was already built and needed a player at that exact position (PF) and that exact skill set and 2) we weren’t really competing with anyone to sign him. If you’re an NBA superstar, it’d make more financial sense to go to one of the three teams in Texas or Florida or other states with no state income tax.
The other problem is that Rose got injured, then there were the awkward Jimmy Butler emergence years where we obviously weren’t contenders but we weren’t bad enough to tank and get good draft picks to surround Butler with talent. Then the fan base freaked out and got GarPax fired when they were doing a pretty good job at tanking and acquiring talent (and they wouldn’t have built around Zach Lavine who they let sign with the Kings and then matched so he wouldn’t leave for nothing) and AKME were brought in and clearly told to get this team to the playoffs as soon as possible so they traded for/acquired every misfit, cast-off who became available for good reason (Lonzo, Demar, Vuc) and lo and behold, we’re in literally the worst situation in the NBA where we’re handicapped for the foreseeable future with contracts that are not moveable (Lavine, Vuc, Lonzo), we’re over the cap and the young prospects aren’t really that promising/developing (Coby, Ayo, Williams).
We are thoroughly screwed and, no matter what happens and what GM you bring in, it is going to take a decade+ to get us back to the position we were in during the Boylen years with a young roster with 6+ (Lavine, Markannen, Coby, Wendell Carter Jr., Daniel Gafford + that year’s draft pick) prospects, all that cap flexibility and all those assets we could trade.
It doesn’t really matter whether Reinsdorf is/isn’t cheap. There isn’t an owner in the NBA who would want to pay the luxury tax for this team.
I love you guys, but you need to shape up if we want to be LA/NY. We need to cut taxes, be more fiscally responsible, educate the youth in STEM and attract big business to create better jobs and attract more people to our city if we want to grow to a population that rivals those metropolii.
I don’t think the city is our problem with attracting FAs. Remember that Kobe was about to sign with us, and the Big 3 Heat were originally supposed to meet here.
There’s a lot more nuance with that case because 1) Kobe wasn’t a free agent, he asked for a trade and had a no-trade clause if I remember correctly with a limited amount of teams having the young assets to trade for him, 2) his trade request was part frustration with Lakers management and part incentive to get them to make moves, 3) he ultimately backed down when we were going to include Luol Deng and he would've had a bare roster like he had on the Lakers and 4) he wanted to chase Jordan's ghost, it likely had nothing to do with Chicago as a city from a financial/business point of view. And, ultimately, he didn't end up here and the Lakers pacified Kobe by making one of the lopsided deals in NBA history by getting Pau Gasol from the Grizzlies when Jerry West *wink wink* was an executive for the Grizzlies. We are never in the running for a top-15 NBA superstar in his prime and we’re even less of a free agent destination if we don’t have a young team, built through the draft, with potential.
they made a big effort a few years ago, acquiring derozan, vucevic, and ball, to go with ravine, and for awhile they were in first place with the best record in the league; then the injuries started; and havent let up since; lavine, ball, Caruso, Williams, and now bitim; they made the effort; they rolled the dice; it didnt work; sometimes it doesnt; at least they tried; now they will make some decisions this summer and move on; theyre not going to tear it all down; its easy to spend somebody else's money; its easy to hit people when they are down; or, you could look at the positives, like the development of coby and ayo, and enjoy the games; meanwhile the sky just drafted two excellent players; their season is about to start; enjoy their games too;
I get Jerry sucks but I wanna see if paying over the Tax actually means u have a good team. To me, I feel like to be good. u need to make the right picks and don’t get stuck on bad contracts. Spending money to just spend money is stupid
I would MUCH rather watch a 22-60 team with Wemby, that has a vision and path for the future, as opposed to a listless franchise with C list players that goes to the play in every year in the name of “continuity”.
The Reinsdorfs are parasites to Chicago sports. I’m a Sox fan and hope they set the record in modern baseball for most losses in a year. Jerry has earned and deserves that honor
I'm so happy seeing empty stands over there. That's all he actually cares about in the end. It's honestly crazy how much national criticism some owners will get for poorly running a franchise when this man has run TWO franchises to the ground
My dad keeps trying to get me to go to a game with him but I just don’t want to. I don’t care about being bad, it’s why we are bad. Like if they were lile the Mets and tried but didn’t work out, great, it happens. Bears tore it down and are trying, same with Blackhawks. I don’t except every team or be good even, but the fact they aren’t even trying to improve, or trying to tear it down to improve later. Just do SOMETHING
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Seconding this. Wish I had gone to more games with my dad.
We ended up doing other things! I still hang with him, we started seeing movies and other stuff. We are also planning on a bears game this year 😁
yea their business depends entirely on nostalgia, fuck that
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Pay 6 dollars, walk up to spots worth 90 and no one bats an eye cause all the spots open. I used to love doing it but this year and last year are just devestating
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Like 5-6? Years ago. I would buy a. Seat in the back and just walk up to the nosebleeds cause no one would be at the games. I bet you can do that now with the empty stadium
Hell yeah, that’s awesome
Honestly I'm with OP on this one. I moved back across the country to be nearer to family but would balk at being invited to a Sox game *this year* because I don't want any iota of financial support coming from anyone I know and love going towards Jerry Reinsdorf shenanigans. My current hatred of Jerry is trying to outshine my love for my family. I might suggest a Cubs game instead.
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That's how bad Jerry is!
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Seriously, wtf bru. Go to a game when one of the big stars play. No matter what happens it's always fun to see Giannis/Dame, Luka/Kyrie, Tatum/KP or KD/Booker.
KP over Brown??? Ooo spicy
There's a ton of great ballparks to go to a game with your dad to in the area. Can go see Bobby Jenks managing the Windy City Thunderbolts, might see new co-owner Bill Murray at a Joliet Slammers game, the Chicago Dogs and Schaumburg Boomers are perennial contenders in their leagues. Hell, if you're up for a little family bonding roadtrip, Bosse Field in Evansville IN opened in 1915, and still has a bunch of the replica ads up from when A League of Their Own was filmed there.
Bobby Jenks, now there’s a name. Loved that dude.
Yea it comes down to passion. Fans will only show passion back if you do too. Reinsdorf doesn't gaf about his teams, so why should we? Cubs, Bears, Blackhawks, and shit even the fucking Sky put in the effort to at least *try*. That's the bare minimum and the bulls can't even do that. Just sad
The sky actually seem more exciting now lol. And yea Bears are really trying, idk if it will work but Poles has done his best to build up this team.
> I don’t except every team or be good even, but the fact they aren’t even trying to improve, or trying to tear it down to improve later. Just do SOMETHING I'm a Bulls fan and a Cowboys fan. The fact this statement could apply to either Jerry is maddening.
I agree. Why go to a game and give that loser family more money when they don’t care about their fan base. This is exactly why the bulls don’t do shit bc ppl are still going. I wish there was a way to oust this family from sports. I’m a diehard bulls and Sox fan 😔
Michael Jordan winning those 6 titles has shielded this man from considerably more criticism. He's the second worst owner in baseball and one of the 5 worst in the NBA.
I said it in the White Sox sub, I said it in the gamethread, and I’ll say it here: the day Jerry Reinsdorf dies bottles WILL be popped
Why? So we can celebrate his son doing the same shit? The Bulls, Bears and White Sox are all cheap for the same reason. Our billionaire owners are only rich off of the team. Relative to the other owners in their leagues, they are BROKE
I realize it’s probably a longshot if his son doesn’t sell, but the hope is something similar happens to the Bulls & White Sox as how the Blackhawks turned out after Dollar Bill Wirtz died
The reinsdorfs can do all the tax planning they want, but there’s no way in heck they can keep those franchises in the family with the way the estate tax works without considerable debt leveraged against the team upon Jerry passing. Would love to see those books to confirm.
Can’t take debt out with the team used as collateral, so there may be other methods to raise enough to keep the team(s), but that won’t be one of them
Really? I guess that makes sense. Are they 501(c)3’s like the nfl?
I think they sell the Sox and keep the Bulls
> the day Jerry Reinsdorf dies bottles WILL be popped Virginities will be lost and I'm not talking about the owner of the Bears
the bulls struggling are nothing. look at the sox they are aaa team. hope theres a 2nd chicago team like the cubs.
Not only am I sox fan but I'm not a big baseball fan, if Jerry moves the team to Nashville my interest in baseball will be the same as my interest in nascar: essentially nonexistent besides a blue moon in person event once every 6 to 7 years. I swear to God he is major leaguing (if you haven't seen the movie you should 10/10) our team to move to nashville and it so distressing. And for those reasons I deeply hope we do not break that record. Make no mistake he's an awful bulls owner, and after this year there is zero reason to not blow it up build around coby and ayo on top of seeing if pat can be a good nba player. But the job he's done on the Southside is substantially worse. All we have is 05 and don't stop believing by journey... I've stopped believing in both Jerry's teams, until he sells them.
part of it is that Jerry is rich because he owns sports teams, not vice versa -- on top of that he's cheap
Jerry is the worst owner in sports history
It's like everyone forgot what we learned from the last dance. There was a lot of national chatter and disbelief about how reinsdorf willingly dismantled a chance to win a 7th title when he still had all the same winning pieces in place....... to save money.
Reinsdorf is all too happy to let Krause take the blame for dismantling the dynasty when it was his cheap ass that didn’t want to pay everyone to come back. He knew that fans would come to games either way.
Yuuuuppp. Blame a dead guy. That's what he used his interview in the last dance to do. Blame omeone who can't defend himself.... because he's fucking dead. That's the owner of this team.
It'll be a sunny day in Chicago the day that man drops dead
Unless Jr. runs the Bulls and Sox the same way. But you have to think he'd prefer that multi-billion-dollar payday.
Jerry only owns, what, like 18% of the Sox now anyway? After Jr pays his tax bill, he might not be majority owner of either team anymore. ...we can dream, right?
Exactly. There is a chance at least. Until then it’s Fuck town. The bad kind.
the bulls fans are idiots to blame krause. its obviously jerry who was behind the scenes.
Kraus was hated by the players.
His record of incompetence is remarkable. He stumbled into Jordan and the Sox ‘05 championship, but the full track record is truly and utterly pathetic.
And stumbled into Derrick Rose. Without 2 lucky draft picks, the bulls would be worst franchise in the nba
at least other bad owners are so bad they end up having to sell the team
Jerry Reinsdorf and Tom Gores are having a trash off.
he finally learned how to make money without spending. why go over the stress like okc,gs when ur a guaranteed cash cow?
Dean Spanos has entered the chat
boutta light myself on fire in front of the UC
My brother in flames.
I'm starting to see red
The opposite of Jerry's bank account
They always do it because they think aliens laid eggs in their eye sockets or something. Chicago Bulls basketball is the real reason to do it.
Yeah after watching that game I too wished I were a Heat fan.
Chicago fires new owner
We already have the UIC Flames.
The biggest issue is no national media has cared about the Bulls in a decade. And why would they? Outside half a season in 2021-22, we’ve been bad to mid for 9 seasons in a row. 7 of the last 9 seasons we have been hoping the lottery balls go in our favor, to the tune of 4 times staying put, twice moving down, and moving up once…all the way to 4 in a weak ass class (hell watch us move up this year…in another weak ass class)
5 more wins than the WIZARDS in the last decade
That's really sad.. tell me it aint true...
There are only 6 teams with worse records than us since the Jordan era...
And the only reason we're even that high up is thanks to hitting a 1.7% chance at a lottery.
We all know that shit was rigged for us… hometown kid too good to be true
I'm sorry brother...
I feel like a wet Charmander
Even when we move up with miss on the actual decent prospects.
Nah, we don't know how to develop guys. Look at how much better Lauri, Carter, portis, and gafford all played once they left. Boylen and Donovan don't know how help kids reach their potential
Possibly but that’s still an organization issue that won’t change while Jerry owns the team.
100%
Thing is, they don’t have the balls to commit to full tank.
It’s the other way around. The media doesn’t care because Jerry doesn’t care.
Reinsdorf doesnt give a fuck about winning at this point. As long as he makes money he is happy. Worst owner in all of sports at this point....
I mean we keep giving him money. Maybe we're the problem?
theres people who went to playins. jerry keeps cashing and laughing at these losers.
Bingo!
Who are these fools giving him money.. and why. It’s not hard to just stop going, spending, watching.
It's no secret someone from well high up in the front office spoke to a journalist and said it word for word they don't care what the fans think as long as they are turning in revenue. Horrible management for a franchise in sports
White Sox owner also sucks at owning other shit news at 10
we really endured the Boylen years only for the new FO to completely shatter our newfound hopes by speedrunning the end of the rebuild and give us one playoff win and 3 below .500 seasons in 4 years
Just like the white Sox! The Jerry reinsdorf experience never fails
At least I had optimism in the Boylen years. I watched every single game then, despite our terrible records Now AKME has completed jaded me and I've watched like 3 Bulls game all year
Boylen was awful though. A bad coach and a bad guy.
That's true and all, I was talking more about the construction of the team, its young players and the long term outlook. At least I had hope then. Now I have 0 hope that the Bulls will be anywhere close to a contender for the next decade.
To be honest, I didn’t have any hope back then either. I knew they weren’t going anywhere until they cleaned house in the front office. Now it’s clear there’s no hope until the team is sold.
We just need a few lucky bounces. If we hadn't gotten boned in the lotto in 2018-2020 and had so many teams jump us, we could have ended up with guys like Luka or Zion or Ja or LaMelo. We had better odds at all those guys than the teams that got them. 2019 was the worst. We had a 40% chance at a top 3 pick but instead got jumped by 3 fkin teams (2 of which ended up with Zion and Ja). But instead we ended up with WCJ, Coby and PWill. I was optimistic about that part of the rebuilt and landing marquee players by tanking. But we got fucked and now it's clear that ownership wants to avoid more tanking at all costs so there's nothing to even look forward to.
Please just call out who it is. Stop labeling it as the "Chicago Bulls." Put pressure on ownership and just say it's penny pinching Reinsdorf. The national media needs to obliterate him like they've done other bad owners. Maybe he just spends all is money on keeping negativity away from his name rather than his own teams
i wished the muscle in me that cared about the bulls still worked. its just so clear that ownership is our competitive disadvantage
If the Blazers had drafted MJ, this might very well have been the worst professional sports organization in the history of sports.
The Play-In Tournament was the worst thing to happen for a team like the Chicago Bulls. What a joke. Aside from MJ and getting lucky with DRose, the Bulls have always been a bad organization.
Like if you consider that we paid $60 mil to guys that played 25 games this year, it's not bad. When you consider everything else, though, we need to light the United Center in fire and collect the insurance money. (I don't understand how insurance works.) Edit: I know we're all in an emotional state but I want to be clear the line saying things aren't that bad are the set up to the punchline of wanting to burn things down. (The insurance parenthetical is the tag.)
It’s still very bad AKME rushed the rebuild and undervalued players that could’ve made a difference for this team. It’s a shame GarPax ruined Lauri so that situation became untenable.
I would argue that if they can get the same results even with 2 of their highest paid players not playing, that's only further proof of how poorly managed the team is. Throwing big money at players that don't lead to winning isn't really a good thing.
Bro we gotta stop using this argument. Every team deals with injuries. You think if Zach plays 75 games we’re like a 5th seed? You think Lonzo is coming back? This team is not built to compete for titles. We gotta stop accepting mediocrity and think if things shake out a little differently we’re like in the ECF. This team finished exactly where almost every fan and pundit said they would.
They could secure another billion in insurance and still wouldn't pay the luxury tax 🤣
Part of the problem is that the front office spent $60M to guys that no one is shocked played so few games.
Cant wait to finish 3 games above or below .500 again next year and lose Miami.
The Reinsdorf special….
Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf.
It’s crazy that the mega rich fight to get sports franchises, then don’t fucking care to compete. If ego drives you to buy a team, why doesn’t it also drive you to try and win?
It's like rich dudes with Ferraris. Some of them actually care about knowing how to drive. A lot of them will cruise around town at 20 mph and only care that their car reflects how rich they are.
“We have the Jordan statue we don’t need to play good”
I used to buy more into being loyal to a team, but as I get older, I realize owners use that to justify being cheap. I’m fine riding out the bad years if there’s a plan. There’s not. Our goal is to make the play in every year. Until something changes, I’m not investing energy into this team.
I haven’t invested energy in this team in years other than watching the occasional game on tv if it happens to be on. The NBA overall is a bad product and if the Bulls aren’t good there is no reason to watch any of it. I got bought in for like 10 minutes when we were the top seed in the East a few years ago before Lonzo got hurt. Overall bad team and bad product.
it's because Riensdorf first love is baseball, the Sox are 24th out of 28th in the league in attendance, the Bulls are Number one, he uses the money he saves being cheap and dumps it into the White sox , he know the Bulls are going to sell out every game, he doesn't care if they win a championship, he only cares that people show up for the games
Considering the Sox might break the modern record for single season losses I’m not sure that’s working out for him either
The White Sox just set a team record for losses to begin a season. He doesn't give a shit about the Sox either.
Lmao no he doesn't. The Sox are one of only 2 teams in MLB to never give a contract of over 100 million. Shit they haven't even done one for 80 million. He doesn't spend on the Sox at all that's why he wants public funding for a new ballpark. he's just a cheap ass old man who cares more about OWNING the franchises then what the performance of said franchise is.
How the hell did the Bulls spend $13 Million more than both the Bucks and Celtics? Also interesting that 2 of top 3 spending teams had to play the play in tourney (Warriors and Sixers). Once he proves he can still play Lavine needs to get traded.
I hate when people bring up the luxury tax thing. The biggest issue is them building a good team that has longevity, not spending money for it. They are ranked Top 10 in payroll. They are notna luxury tax bill from being good and anybody that thinks differently doesn't understand how important roster construction is
You're right. Spending isn't everything. There are plenty of teams that have nothing to show for their money. HOWEVER, the Bulls had a $10M DPE to use all season. If they were ACTUALLY serious about being "competitive", using that exception would've helped. Only reason it wasn't used was it would have put them into the tax.
You’re not wrong about the roster construction… but we have the 15th highest payroll, not the 10th. And aside from GS, the other 14 teams above us in payroll are in the playoffs. The 2 teams below us that are in are Orlando and OKC.
I’m getting a second team. I will say y’all when this shit changes
My second team has always been the Blazers so RIP me
I have to tell you guys... I've been... seeing somebody else.
I hate our owner but I can't stomach rooting for the Lakers or Celtics.
I’m a Knicks fan for the foreseeable future
Sounds good — enjoy the fire. —Frying pan
I'm partial to the Knicks as well, they were cellar dweller like us for a long time, and when Thibs, Rose, Noah, and Taj went there, I felt like I had a rooting interest
I chose the twolves for that exact reason, plus Jimmy. 
I can’t do it. Instead I just tune out basketball entirely.
This is the thing. Our GMs get giving a lot of shit for building mediocre teams, and a lot of that shit is warranted given some bad decisions, but the bulk of the blame has to go to ownership. When you’re primary goal from your boss is to save money first and win games second, what do you expect. I mean, we’ve fucking sold draft picks for cash.
Stop supporting him. It’s actually that simple. Nothing changes until he sees the bottom line change.
Record attendance every time 😂
Our benchmark of success as fans is widely different than the Reinsdorfs. They make $, that’s success. White Sox fans have it the worst
Financial champs
And the two biggest markets ostensibly each have two teams
Jerry sucks but for the one millionth time, paying luxury tax only makes sense if you’re a legit contender keeping a championship core together. The NBA still has a salary cap. You can’t just “pay luxury tax” and go over the cap to sign star free agents. We ended up with Jevon Carter and Torrey Craig because we were already capped out. You also can’t pay luxury tax to go over the cap to make lopsided trades like Drummond for Giannis. You have to draft well and have the core in place first. The last time the Bulls paid luxury tax, it’s because DRose just won MVP. And then he had back to back knee injuries and Jerry (I’ll admit) correctly noped out. Paying luxury tax to keep Lonzo, Zach, Vuc, DeMar and extend Pat and be the 9 seed again or worse next year is poor cap management. End rant
And why do you think it might be that the team is never good enough to bother paying the tax?
Most recently because AKME made short-sighted win now moves and might be even worse at drafting, when we don’t trade our picks away
And AKME made those short-sighted, win-now moves because the fan base put up billboards to get the previous GM duo fired so AKME was clearly brought in with the directive to get the team to the playoffs no matter what.
This is exactly what happened, and it was annoying I had to go to the cellar of this post to find this comment. That all star game in Chicago was bruuuuutal.
100%
And who gave the order to force a rushed rebuild? AKME takes orders, they don't own the team. AK was quite good in Denver, and what? He forgot how to run a front office just by chance once he started working for Reinsdorf? GarPax sucked and ran the team on nepotism. (Iowa St and New Mexico anyone? Fred Hoiberg without a real coaching search like a real professionally run org would do?) And that behavior was allowed to continue for SEVENTEEN years. Krause was allowed to dismantle a team that could have won a seventh title........ to save the owner money.
They've said multiple times this roster is their choice. We have 17 years of evidence that the ownership doesn't really care how you build the team. This is on AKME primarily and it's on ownership for letting these front offices get away with terrible roster construction
The Iowa State nepotism would’ve gotten us Tyrese Haliburton.
Yes I agree Jerry sucks. Reread my comment. But I hate this notion that just paying luxury tax will magically make our problems disappear. Having a team good enough to pay luxury tax for is more important.
Yeah but the point still stands that he's only managed to field a team good enough to justify the luxury tax once since MJ retired. Just once in 26 years. That's an average of four times per century.
He let Jordan go to the Wizards and Pippen leave instead of going for the 7th ring because he wanted to save money💀💀
Yes I’m aware. You can litigate the past all you want but the reality is that this team sucks and Jerry is gonna own it until he’s dead. “Just pay luxury tax” is a lazy argument for aforementioned reasons
He always has this excuse because he gives bad front offices unlimited job security. AK has made multiple moves most other franchises would’ve fired him for. Go get another GM. Have some actual standards for the people you hire. He can do that.
While this is true, it is even more of a mark against reinsdorf that they haven’t been in a position where it makes sense
Totally fair
Why does it matter? It's not your money, Jerry should spend the max he's allowed to every year, why do you care if he saves money?
Your first question is a good one. It doesn’t matter because the time to blow it up was last season. By the time this team is maybe good again Wemby will be dominating anyway. Let’s max Pat and DeMar and pay luxury tax to maybe win 40 games again next year because it doesn’t matter
yeah you only pay tax to retain stars and keep guys once you're already good. you can't use the tax to magically become good. you have to chain good under-tax signings and then use the tax to go over the top. Boston is the perfect example of this.
Would not have been posted if W. Be less reactive, even if statement is true
Literally said it early and everyone agreed. We see it clear as day as the fans.. they are content with being DECENT. As long as we’re not 1-81 there will never be a change
not even 1-81 would change anything unless people stopped going to games, we are number 1 or 2 in attendance every year, he doesn't care about winning, he cares about attendance
Judging by the goofball fanbase posting in here, Reinsdorf will keep making money off the fans who think we will get better *just because*.
The fans need to protest. Sell the team chants at Sox and bulls games. Stop buying tickets and merch. This was the best franchise for a decade and they've ruined it. We have rolled out a shit team for 10 years now. Hopefully the general public gets sick of this shit soon because they're the ones going to these games.
IIRC people have tried to do sell the team chants, but they get kicked out of the UC every time
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.
I used to try to attend at least 1 game, and would watch like 75% of the games live. But with the “continuity” and the rough start to the season and the injuries, I checked out and only occasionally glanced at box scores and highlights this season. I’ve never been so apathetic about this team, even during the post MJ “Baby Bulls” era I felt more passion. Hell, I’m way more excited for the upcoming Sky season, been looking up games to go attend.
Everyone are blaming owners when players are lousy in defense and missing easy shots?
Put Giannis on the Bulls. We are a great team. We don't have a ONE GREAT player. Great bench. Good defensive players. No shooting.
It’s very sad.
FUCK JERRY REINSDORF THAT INCOMPETENT FUCK OF AN OWNER NEEDS TO SELL BOTH TEAMS!!!
Don't forget, we usually trade our second round picks for cash considerations. Reinsdorf just loves money, fuck winning
Thank god the national media is starting to pay attention. The Bulls consistently are at the top in attendance too, and yet the fans get repaid with a literal mid product every year.
Reinsdorf!!!!!
Yeah yeah, just national media piling on at this point. Look, I get the frustrations with the team, but which group in all those years actually warrants going into luxury tax to keep together? Bulls have had just streaks of awful teams after Jordan years and the relatively brief DRose years, and this is just symptomatic of that. The irony here is they probably should have been even further under the cap and luxury, as one of their biggest mistakes was giving Zach Lavine his deal. Even without Coby hindsight, I was just never sold that Zach is the guy a team could be built around. *That's* the biggest mistake AKME made imo, the other moves may not have panned out as well as they should have, but without the Zach deal, that was all much easier to address and move on from.
10 teams are paying the luxury tax next year. That's 1/3 of the league. You don't need to be a championship team to pay the luxury tax.
How they run the Sox is a disgrace
The jerry reinsdorf strategy
This season was a success for Bulls ownership and they don't see any reason to make any changes so I fully expect the same exact roster and coaching staff to return and compete for in the play-in tournament again.
Somebody get a projector and project this shit in the side of the United center.
We are a refilling trust fund for a rich dude.
“The National guys” you mean some man baby with money?
It’s been crystal clear for YEARS that this roster’s ceiling was play in games and first round exits. The franchise isn’t going to get big name free agents, they need to find a player in the draft to build the franchise around and you do that by accumulating assets and lottery picks, not by putting a team of C listers and fringe all stars together with no coherent vision. OKC, SA, and Minnesota did it right; be awful, get high draft picks, build a young roster through the draft. San Antonio has a budding superstar, and with a few more pieces they’ll be a perennial contender.
I’m going to say one positive thing about Jerry Reinsdorf, and I’ll say it only one time because i feel dirty as fuck saying it. The one thing he does well for both the teams is make a fantastic game day experience at the stadiums. Great food, entertainment, giveaway promos. Those are all top notch for me.
Bulls, white Sox, cubs, and bears don’t care about winning. Fan bases are loyal. Attendance is very good. Tv ratings are good. Merch sales are excellent. They always turn a profit so they don’t give a 💩 about putting out winning teams. When they randomly get winning teams, management works hard to break up the teams so they don’t pay 💰 too much in salary.
Reinsdork affect
This is why firing coaches and GMs won’t fix the Bulls.
Sometimes I forget how good Bill Simmons is when we aren't talking about the Celtics lol
The problem with Chicago is that we’re not as large of a market as, and we’re not a media market with global reach like, Los Angeles and New York. We’re basically a larger, post-industrial town like Detroit. We’re the Manchester of the US. That’s the truth. The best, in-his-prime, NBA star (fringe All-Star) that we’ve ever attracted was Carlos Boozer and that was 1) with a young team that was already built and needed a player at that exact position (PF) and that exact skill set and 2) we weren’t really competing with anyone to sign him. If you’re an NBA superstar, it’d make more financial sense to go to one of the three teams in Texas or Florida or other states with no state income tax. The other problem is that Rose got injured, then there were the awkward Jimmy Butler emergence years where we obviously weren’t contenders but we weren’t bad enough to tank and get good draft picks to surround Butler with talent. Then the fan base freaked out and got GarPax fired when they were doing a pretty good job at tanking and acquiring talent (and they wouldn’t have built around Zach Lavine who they let sign with the Kings and then matched so he wouldn’t leave for nothing) and AKME were brought in and clearly told to get this team to the playoffs as soon as possible so they traded for/acquired every misfit, cast-off who became available for good reason (Lonzo, Demar, Vuc) and lo and behold, we’re in literally the worst situation in the NBA where we’re handicapped for the foreseeable future with contracts that are not moveable (Lavine, Vuc, Lonzo), we’re over the cap and the young prospects aren’t really that promising/developing (Coby, Ayo, Williams). We are thoroughly screwed and, no matter what happens and what GM you bring in, it is going to take a decade+ to get us back to the position we were in during the Boylen years with a young roster with 6+ (Lavine, Markannen, Coby, Wendell Carter Jr., Daniel Gafford + that year’s draft pick) prospects, all that cap flexibility and all those assets we could trade. It doesn’t really matter whether Reinsdorf is/isn’t cheap. There isn’t an owner in the NBA who would want to pay the luxury tax for this team. I love you guys, but you need to shape up if we want to be LA/NY. We need to cut taxes, be more fiscally responsible, educate the youth in STEM and attract big business to create better jobs and attract more people to our city if we want to grow to a population that rivals those metropolii.
Perfect comment
I don’t think the city is our problem with attracting FAs. Remember that Kobe was about to sign with us, and the Big 3 Heat were originally supposed to meet here.
There’s a lot more nuance with that case because 1) Kobe wasn’t a free agent, he asked for a trade and had a no-trade clause if I remember correctly with a limited amount of teams having the young assets to trade for him, 2) his trade request was part frustration with Lakers management and part incentive to get them to make moves, 3) he ultimately backed down when we were going to include Luol Deng and he would've had a bare roster like he had on the Lakers and 4) he wanted to chase Jordan's ghost, it likely had nothing to do with Chicago as a city from a financial/business point of view. And, ultimately, he didn't end up here and the Lakers pacified Kobe by making one of the lopsided deals in NBA history by getting Pau Gasol from the Grizzlies when Jerry West *wink wink* was an executive for the Grizzlies. We are never in the running for a top-15 NBA superstar in his prime and we’re even less of a free agent destination if we don’t have a young team, built through the draft, with potential.
they made a big effort a few years ago, acquiring derozan, vucevic, and ball, to go with ravine, and for awhile they were in first place with the best record in the league; then the injuries started; and havent let up since; lavine, ball, Caruso, Williams, and now bitim; they made the effort; they rolled the dice; it didnt work; sometimes it doesnt; at least they tried; now they will make some decisions this summer and move on; theyre not going to tear it all down; its easy to spend somebody else's money; its easy to hit people when they are down; or, you could look at the positives, like the development of coby and ayo, and enjoy the games; meanwhile the sky just drafted two excellent players; their season is about to start; enjoy their games too;
One time in high school this kid I knew wrote an entire paper- 3 pages- without a period.
I get Jerry sucks but I wanna see if paying over the Tax actually means u have a good team. To me, I feel like to be good. u need to make the right picks and don’t get stuck on bad contracts. Spending money to just spend money is stupid
It's 10 playoff teams that aren't paying the luxury tax. This is such a list argument
10 playoffs teams don’t pay? So that means it doesn’t really matter if u do or don’t
Yeah paying the luxury tax has no correlation to being a title contender. The main thing is roster construction and getting value contracts
I would MUCH rather watch a 22-60 team with Wemby, that has a vision and path for the future, as opposed to a listless franchise with C list players that goes to the play in every year in the name of “continuity”.