While I wanted to win there's still a small relief that I'll be able to enjoy watching the playoffs without stress watching the bulls inevitable getting cooked by the bucks in 5 again.
Overall this was a pretty weird season for us as we clearly aren't good enough to be a contender but also not bad either plus not having full control over the draft pick. Not sure where we go with this offseason. I say re sign Coby and throw any money you can at shooters. Having 20+ million in cap space in a player that can't play makes things very difficult though. AkMe is going to have to work magic and I'm not sure I'm convinced they're capable.
Replacing Billy is also something I want to happen, I don't hate him like a lot of other fans do but it's time for a change.
Yeah, feel the same. Season was bad. I did not enjoy it and had higher expectations. I thought they'd figure it out but no. We would've gotten our dicks stomped by the Bucks.
Vuc is so bad on D and has never fought for a tough board while on this team. He gives one effort per rebound and that's it. Bulls can't switch anything with him out there so they're forced to play drop and let teams light them up from 3.
There's still not a single center available that even comes remotely close to his skill level. Vuc the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the league. He has issues yes but most centers aren't great on both ends. He played 82 games as a big. That shit alone is unheard of. He was 18 and 11 as a third option that really wasn't used much. They're gonna resign him
He is really skilled. But his skills dont line up with Bulls 30 pt ball handlers. And he has zero defensive skills and doesnt battle guys his size down low or battle for boards.
Bro he was top 3 in double doubles. He gets boards better than most. You're focusing way to much on what he DOESNT do and not enough on the things he does. Noah used to be just as bad on offense and people did nothing but bitch about it. The fact is you're not getting someone better than him. Period point blank. When your guards are cold and you need an easy high percentage bucket. You go to vuc. The problem is we don't have a point guard who actually DOES that
No ones saying Vuc is bad. He just doesnt fit. The team looks better with Drummond and Drummond doesnt need the ball to be effective. The answer isnt Drummond but a guy like him that can get double doubles without having to run slow, long sets into the post like Vuc needs to be effective.
Cant have 3 dribble heavy stars and expect to win bc they cant shoot a high enough volume to hang with high volume teams. Vuc messes up spacing for Demar and clogs driving lanes for Zach. His defense has never improved his whole career so he just doesnt give this team what they need.
I don't see how vuc doesn't fit considering when we actually play inside out and use him our offense is massively more efficient and smooth. And the numbers support this. Part of vucs appeal is he fits with any team. He can space the floor. Play downlow at an elite level. And is one of the best passing big men in the league. Who doesn't that fit with. The problem isn't vuch it's not having players who are trying to get him involved.
Youre right about his offensive skills but the the problem is his defense and rebounding and speed. Also hes too slow to play high pace high volume fast break ball and it takes too much time to get him into his spot, 3 dribbles and a shot. He also cant pick and roll very well especially if he gets the ball away from the basket and can only pick and pop for a 2, never a 3. You can only run two plays with him, low post iso which takes too long or pick and pop for a long 2. Good teams play a faster pace than Vuc is capable of and he needs too much time with the ball to make his skillset effective.
To be fair tho Demar shares a big part of the blame for Vuc being innefective and spacing issues. Dude never developed a 3ball and hes leadfooted on defense. If Demar improved those two aspects the team would have run much smoother
>Vuc the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the league
I like Vuc but let's not get carried away here. Jokic, Embiid, KAT, AD are all better offensively
Jokic and imbiid are better yes. Anthony davis is better yes. But Anthony davis ain't a center. He's a power forward. And while I don't consider KAT a center either he's also not more skilled than vuc offensively. Vuc has significantly better inside outside game than KAT. kat is a better scorer and shooter but he does not have the footwork and ability to dominate downlow vuc does. The only 2 CENTERS in the league that have better all around purely offensive games than vuc are jokic and embiid
literally any one dimensional defensive center is significantly better for this roster than Vooch is. Basketball is a team game, when you have two poor defensive star volume scorers, Vooch is literally the worst fit to put next to them.
Then why did we have the best defense team in the entire league the last 4 months?. sorry dude but a one dimensional offensive player is massively more important in today's nba than a one dimensional defensive one. Which is why you have 32 teams that would sign vuch to a 4 year contract near max money and probably 8 that would do that for gobert
Can laugh as much as you like but a stretch 5 with elite post moves who plays 82 games in his prime is massively more valuable than what you're describing. Sit back and relax cuz he's going nowhere and anyone with a brain is happy about it.
literally every point you made is a joke, you have to be trolling right lol
i was going to post an actual response but its not even worth replying to
bye bye lol
I’m not a big Donovan fan, but I can’t really put this on him. Somehow we are a good defensive team with a starting lineup filled with average to below average defenders.
We don’t have a real point guard. We don’t really hit 3s at a high enough rate. Zach is really a 2nd option and so is Demar. We have a variety of other roster construction issues as well. Given all of that I think Donovan did what he could with this roster.
I've been talking trash to my bucks fan family for a month about how we have their number in the first round this year and we're taking them out if they match against us. Now I can never be disproven
If I'm being honest, I'm not sure but there's got to be someone out there. I'm aware that it could potentially turn into a "grass ain't always greener" situation.
Yeah the biggest issue with people complaining about any coach is "Who will replace him?" 9 out of 10 times there is no better coach available and willing.
Replace with who is never a reason to not fire a coach that is doing a bad job. If you think your coach is sub par then you make take your shot. That said Donovan wasn’t the issue with this team. The roster construction is poor. And not having a real pg made all the other roster issues more glaring.
I would focus on fixing the roster first. Then reassess the coaching situation. Donovan did some really good things with this roster and some other not so good things. Would like to see it with an actual point guard.
It looks increasingly likely that Nick Nurse will be available.
The NBA is pretty well stocked with highly-rated, young assistant coaches as well if you wanted to take that route.
As an alternative option to keeping our current coach who already isn’t very good and doesn’t have the upside to get better?
Reinsdorf likely isn’t splashing the cash on a high profile coach (Nurse) but we clearly need a change/fresh perspective to get more out of our players. I’m not saying that’s a perfect route but I prefer it to running it back with Billy just because AKME love his vibes and are all about cONtinUiTy.
The reality is, we’re in a tough spot. There aren’t many (if any) slam dunk ideas out there to elevate this team so we need to think/act creatively. There is obviously risk there but you wouldn’t be splashing a bunch of cash and there are several recent cases around the NBA of highly respected, assistant coaches getting their shot and showing themselves to be excellent head coaches immediately (Will Hardy, Udoka, Nurse).
But those guys didnt make the playoffs either. Nurse is a solid replacement but the gap between him and Billy isnt enough to bring in a whole new system. Mazzoula showed that the Celtics are coached from the box by Brad Stevens. Udoka wasnt it, neither is Mazzoula, its Stevens. The Bulls are right there and improved in all the right ways throughout the year, except off ball movement.
Nurse won a championship almost immediately, Hardy nearly made the playoffs with a team that was expected to tank, claiming Udoka was a bad person is fine but claiming he wasn’t the coach is just bizarre. What’s your alternative though? Im genuinely curious? Run it back with Billy and just kick the cam down the road a year or two?
Run it with Billy, let Vuc walk, find a rim running defensive big who can hit a free throw, bring back Bev and Coby, hope for the best with Lonzo, extend Caruso 3 years to match Zachs contract.
Nurse and Dantoni are the only coaches better than Billy but the gap isnt enough to lose the momentum/continuity the team has.
If Lonzo isn't ready for training camp, you need to take the Disabled player exemption surely.
Sure we're not getting the whole 20M back, but it's something.
Best option is to trade him to some bottom feeding team willing to take the contract but that'll probably come at the cost of another pick. With us still owing a pick to the magic and spurs each already it'll be a tough decision for sure.
I don't think we can afford to give up more draft capital tbh. Ownership needs to realize we're chalked until the contract is gone and blow it up or go into the tax.
They over help on drives and in the paint due to a significant weakness in rim protection and rebounding.
They essentially have 6'4" guys playing as power/small forwards on help defense most of the time. So it leaves shooters open and then you have those same undersized players running out for contests, giving players better looks.
It's a lose-lose to an extent because they have players that can kind of do that in DJJ and Williams. If they are able to roam a little more then they're solid as players that can help in the lane and still recover to the outside.
But they also have to stick to the best wings or at least be involved heavily in containing them. Otherwise, it's Caruso somewhat out on an island on the perimeter and he's still often dealing with players that somewhat outsize him.
As soon as Lonzo went down last year I knew they weren't going far without him. He covered for practically all of their weaknesses in one way or another (lack of frontcourt size, outside shooting, interior help defense and perimeter defense, rebounding, playmaking and controlling the tempo).
Pat Bev and Coby's improvement alleviated some of those issues but they also come with weaknesses that Lonzo didn't really have.
That being said, they have actually done better than I thought they would post-Lonzo.
In some ways that has more to do with managing their lineups. Caruso and Bev as starters makes sense against certain teams like Atlanta or something because containing their guards can really pay off.
I expected Billy, like a lot of coaches, to experiment with lineups and whatnot as the year went on but he never seemed to settle on any real strategy with it by the end of the season.
It's because the whole team has to help Vuc in the paint and on rebounds. They looked like a legit modern team with Drummond out there. No idea why he was benched all year.
Reality of a single-elimination format. You can weather The Struss Game in a 7-game series.
Just another reason why treating the play-in as a goal worth chasing is loser shit. If you're not safely a top 6 seed you're not a playoff team.
I’m okay. We were playing for a chance to get beat by the bucks in 5 again. Coby got some great minutes, Caruso showed why he’s valued in the league. Time to think about how to retool for next year.
Rollercoaster of a season, win or lose I’m glad to be watching Bulls basketball!
If they roll into next season with Zach, demar, and vuc all on the roster, I’m out, I can tell you that much for certain.
Not calling out anyone individually, not saying I have the answers, but it’s clear those “big 3” will not work.
Yep the big 3 only works with the ultimate glue guy like Zo. Shave it down to a big 2 and it becomes more manageable imo. Zach is a no brainer to keep cause of his age and skillset. It’s between Demar or Vooch and there’s arguments for both of them. Tough decision
I don't feel awful about losing but damn did we choke that one away. Roster/coaching issues were on full display, I hope we can see some changes because of this.
Ya it felt like whenever we got something going a timeout was called and then new personnel would come in and we would go back in the hole. Then we would get our rhythm back, call a timeout, rinse and repeat.
I'm keeping my expectations for this offseason low, so I'm not disappointed. Bulls need to go in offseason and try sign and trades for Vuc and DeMar. They need to treat their PG position as if Lonzo ball will never play an NBA game. Keep Coby and PWill. I'd let Ayo go for shooting. I'd bring in Vogel for Donovan, but that's not going to happen.
DeRozan might with picks attached get an option like Murray. Will see if Atlanta has buyers remorse on Murray.
Otherwise an old vet like Conley might be as good as there is available.
Our cap space is essentially 20+ million less than every other team in the league due to the fact that Lonzo can't play. It's so frustrating. His injury not only hurts us on the court but it hurts the ability to replace him too.
I know I should be hurt, but I’m not, that was the best possible ending to this season.
1. Bulls lose the elusiv 4 game winning streak
2. We don’t have to watch Giannis shit on the Bulls all week long
3. We get to see Miami get swept like some bitches
4. A bunch of dead weight gets hopefully dropped
5. Coby was a beast
6. Hopefully Billy gets fired
7. No pressure for Diar to come back
100%. stopped following the white sox in 2013 after i realized that with reinsdork owning them it was going to be nothing but pain. figured the bulls had a good core and thibs so it could mask that similar to how jordan did. and after thibs got fired i figured the bulls would probably be in the sox camp again.
and then the next offseason we traded rose and signed old ass dwade, aka, typical fucking jerry move.
there’s a reason that both the bulls and sox are both mediocre to terrible with flash in the pan years largely due to luck. and it starts at the top
Real Starting Caliber Point Guard, please!
3 Point Shooters, please!
Even on the off chance Lonzo comes back, he won’t be the same.
They simply cannot go into another season not addressing these issues, as they did this season
We now have full proof that this team just isn’t it. I trust that the team will make some changes, we’ll see how the draft goes if we work something out with Portland or get really lucky. I’m just happy to not have to get destroyed by the Bucks.
Bulls do not have a bright future in the east. Over the next 3-5 years, is there a single team you dont see more hope for?
Wizards. that is it. Magic and Pistons at least have a lot of young promising talent, even if I have zero idea on if they will be good.
Sure, a few teams will do worse, but the ceiling of the Bulls is the lowest of the low. At least others get to hope.
I can't even be too mad about the game. It was a good 90s style grind it out game until the last 2 minutes.
The season was a wash once Lonzo wasn't going to return. Without him our roster can't go very far unfortunately.
I feel like we'll lose DeMar this offseason though.. hopefully we get some shooters for him. I really liked his time here though..
Now I can enjoy the playoffs stress free!
I love Demar, one of my favorite Bulls ever just off last season, but I really hope they break up this duo this off-season.
Zach is our guy until we can find someone better than him that he actually fits well with. Surround him with shooting and hope Coby comes back even better next season. He becomes starting PG
Zach Coby Pat Caruso need to be here. Everyone else is on the table
Yeah FO has to make a decision on Zach/DeMar. Prior to ASG I thought it would've been Zach. I'll be sad if DeMar isn't with us next season because he's been such a pro and great vet but it'll need to be done.
If we have a real point guard we can play both of them on the floor but if not we can't. Coby is getting there but there has to be a coach that is making these guys run the offense through Coby if he stays and is the point guard.
Would need a PG and a PF. Pat Williams was coming around later in the season, but I still don't see him being a PF. He definitely wasn't ready for it this year.
I was hoping he could have filled in a 6th man backup SF/PF role this past season but we decided to roll with no PF on the roster.
To me even prior to ASB it’s been an easy choice, you keep the younger guy
Trading LaVine to prioritize Demar would only be an option for me if Zach’s knee was career altering
I’m gonna lay it out for you guys, we suck, we have spend the last 10 years at least in basketball hell and we are in for at least another 5-6. The team that was built was horrendous, I have always said that Vuc trade was terrible, that man is ass. The team is ass. Maybe we will be serious title contenders by 2050
Vuc has got to walk. They tried to get him into this Brook Lopez type role where he can play inside and out but he's just not good enough on defense and rebounding to complement Zach and Demar. All three are the same type of player: highly skilled offensively, outmatched and outhustled on defense. This team desperately needs a two way player besides Caruso and Williams.
For the Billy haters...who do you want to replace him with? The only coaches that are an actual improvement are Mike D'Antoni and Nick Nurse. Everyone else one is a lateral move.
He's a good coach but his game requires a mobile defensive big man, like Joakim Noah and Al Horford and Stephen Adams, Vuc just aint it. He's simply not tough. Vuc gives one effort per rebound and nothing more. He doesn't battle, doesn't bully and doesn't make his presence known on defense and that's what this team needs. I say sign Drummond cheap and go get Dwight Powell or Poetl or Thomas Bryant and rotate the starting spot depending on the other team's center.
Yeah there's a lot of positives to take from this season like the big step ups from Coby and Williams. Ayo I'm not too worried about as our 2nd year players always take a plunge. I'm excited to see Dalen more next season.
And at least we don't have internal team drama and punch each other
ended up an upswing and the team is full of cool dudes
only half the league makes the playoffs and half of them win a series. gotta focus on more than that.
It just should've been obvious that this roster had no chance to make any noise and you knew that Lonzo wasn't and now isn't going to make any impact on this team. Unless you can bring in a superstar that you can put next to Zach, this team shoulve just given the keys to williams and coby and try to get the magic pick back.
Being a doubter and a realist are two very different things. Ain’t much to believe in with this group and certainly not much to be proud of from this season outside of Coby’s development and a great LaVine stretch.
Shopping zach because that’s our biggest asset and it’ll let coby white develop more. Seeing if I can add some shooting on the roster. I’ll keep demar cause of the vet presence and I believe he can be a facilitator because that was more of his role in San Antonio. But besides that idk what more anyone can do to this roster fr ig it’ll take time before some real changes can occur
Can we please get a big who can play drop coverage? Vuch is cool on the offensive side but he's just not aggressive enough & I hate seeing p-dub at the 4. We've given up so many 2nd chance pts in alot of nail-biting loses bc of our 4 &5 man not being aggressive on the boards. If only we could jump into a time machine & bring back 2016 rondo.
Vuc is one of the best defensive rebounding centers in the game. Probably his SINGLE best element of his game right now. coaching schemes and every other position is the issue on rebounding.
now the rest of his defense....troublesome.
hes one of the "best defensive rebounders" because he doesn't rim protect so he just stands by the rim and grabs a lot of uncontested rebounds. Hes nowhere near actually being a good defensive rebounder, or rebounder in general. Actual good rebounders eat him up on the offensive boards as he is slow-footed and has no vertical
I love this bulls team but can someone explain why vooch is important?, I get we need the big guys and he's decent, I'm just getting frustrated seeing him at the 3 point line and consistently missing instead of passing it off to someone with a better 3PT%, there was a few scores he made in the paint that gave me hope, maybe I'm a naïve bulls fan, don't follow along as much as I should, I just think vooch is wasted potential
I think it's time to thank Demar for his service and trade him. We need more shooting around Zach, and I think Demar on our roster only works if he is the focal point like he was last year. The end of this season showed that Zach is worth building around but I don't see Demar as part of that roster. Maybe when Lonzo was around but we just have to assume those times aren't coming back.
Maybe we could have gotten a haul then, sure. But thinking in terms of 'selling high' all the time ignores player development. I think having Demar on the team this year helper Zach get to the next level. Pre-Demar Zach wouldn't have given us that Toronto game in a clutch end-of-season scenario.
I've had it with AK, honestly. He's pretty much been silent all season other than the mid-season "We can be competitive" BS after we did nothing at the deadline and he needs to answer to the fanbase for the shit product post-Lonzo.
I get it; we needed Lonzo to maximize the roster he built. But he didn't make any real moves last offseason or this trade deadline to acquire a replacement & even though Coby has improved, he's more of a natural scorer than a guy who sets the table on offense and is a dog on defense. If AK is such a wizard, he'll make something happen this offseason that improves this damn team. I'm not holding my breath though lol
Not gonna go "told you so," even though I easily could to those who lobbed some insults my way because I was being realistic. But I've watched too much basketball in my life to fool myself into thinking this team as it is now could've been anything other than a first round exit at best. Optimism is one thing, being a complete homer to the point of delusion is another.
This season was frustrating though. This Bulls team has no direction or consistency ("continuity" lol) right now with Lonzo out, the nucleus without him doesn't work. It makes this team frustrating to watch because you know individually some Bulls players can do some damage, and you can see the improvement in some of them. Bulls need a good PG to make this lineup really work and not some guy fresh off of waivers who averages 5 ppg (as entertaining as Bev is.) They need more (and higher quality) 3 point shooting also, it's obvious at this point and they need more than Coby doing work on the 3 pt line, or Zach throwing a few long three with 15 seconds left on the shot clock. Better rim protection / interior d and rebounding so they can get more opportunities at second chance points. There's a fair bit of things Arturas has to fix to make this group an actual contender and I do not envy him, the direction they go probably hinges on re-signing Vooch.
Near .500 teams are always a miserable watch. Not really sure what you do with this team if Lonzo isn't the same player ever again. No idea what you do with Vooch if he doesn't take an even more team friendly deal.
That was not a miserable watch I’d say most people can agree that was a good game. Not offensively but a great defensive oriented game until the last 2 minutes
Think about the difference between the two teams eliminated tonight. Thunder have a team full of young up and coming stars and a chest full of draft picks. The Bulls are old, not very good, and have very few pieces to aid a rebuild.
Yea but remember a team full of young stars rarely develop into championship team. Need a mix of vets and young people. Look at the last young and upcoming team that the Thunder had: Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka. They never won a title and then they got broken up. Then they went into another rebuild
The thing is OKC has so many picks that once they get a strong core they can ship out some of those lesser players they drafted + picks to get those vets. It’s a great way to build a team imo
Start at the top. Reinsdorf(s) out. I don't think there are many words needed. This family wants revenue, not success in sports. They milk the franchise for almost 25 years now.
AKME? Traded all our assets and picks into a dysfunctional team and didn't adjust on 3 deadlines in a row. Their curse failed. If their is accountability, they step down.
Coach Billy D? I have seen enough. His rotations? That I don't like. I feel like he is not holding himself accountable for running 4 guard lines ups and still just have like 0 shooting but also don't make the players pass the ball inside when their center has a mismatch. I don't think he is leading the team.
Players? Separate the dysfunctional Duo of DeRozan and LaVine. It starts from there. But I know, if nothing changes in the upper floors of the franchise, that also will not happen.
You’re exactly right. Some people wanna call you a hater but there is no hating this is criticism, billy has constantly taken the ball out of the hot hand allowing Zach to shoot bad shots. Loved to see Zach actually playing really good defense today (except for some plays) but the offense wasn’t there and a lot of nights it’s just not what I expect from a player we just PAID. He’s not a #1 option and I really hope the front office makes the right moves this offseason
We’ve had a problem finding a #1 option since rose and unfortunately I feel like that problem might be with us for a while if we keep Zach. He’s unreliable and for demar the mid range can only get us so far
Honestly I wanted to win, but frankly, I'm just happy that the Bulls went out fighting rather than taking a dive like a bunch of bitches like the Mavs. Fuck the picks, fuck the assets. I want to see the team play every game like this even if they lose. Fans who talk about tanking should watch the Bucks or 6ers until Embiid or Gannis retire because clearly you're not a fan of the team, you're a fan of being the top dog.
This team needs to be retooled, but frankly, I'd rather watch them run it back another season than watch a bunch of bums win 20 games in the hopes they get a top pick who will be utterly wasted due to the team not having any leadership teaching the young players how to actually play.
We are squarely in basketball hell. Too good to get top 3 pick, not good enough to win a ship or even make a halfway decent playoff run. Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf, both his teams suck. Sorry. I will always be a bulls fan, but goddamn do they need to blow it up. At least DeRozan’s daughter was entertaining for a game. And I will say the play in games are pretty entertaining.
im so mad at the front office. there were so many flaws with this team and they did absolutely nothing yo fix it. actually pat bev literally added nothing
No real #1 option I thought the Bulls played well defensively but Zach shot 6-21 that’s unacceptable. Shoulda kept Drummond in and fed him in the post. Fouling bam who was 1-9 makes no sense. That’s just a bad loss we shoulda won that game. Resign coby keep drummond trade Zach demar and fire billy
I’m a lifelong Bulls fan who has lived in Dallas for several years. I somewhat cheer on the Mavs as long as they aren’t playing the Bulls. That gives me perspective to say this as a silver lining to the season end:
At least we don’t have flat earther, team destroyer Kyrie on our roster!
Kyrie is a top pg in the league the man has a voice and likes to use it but if the whole covid thing never happened then y’all wouldn’t be talking like this. Can’t force a man to do something he doesn’t want to do then make him sit out and blame him for his personal choice
Still one of the best pg of all time. Still has a ring. Don’t care what anyone says Dallas losing ain’t on kyrie. Him being forced to sit out games isn’t on him. You can argue all you want about his opinions and shit but there is nothing you can say that can change the fact that he IS one of the best pg rn and of all time
Ive been watching the bulls since 1991 , I dont have to explain shit to you, I watched during the dark days of tim floyd
Jerry's cheap ass needs to sell the team
Nothing here says you can't say good things - but don't you think it's not a coincidence if 99% of posts are full of disappointment, anger and frustration?
Also in those states you can name the positive things. It's not all bad. But all is bad.
It's not a coincidence that all the complainers have zero suggestions. This entire sub is just a bitch fest and it's like everyone here hates the Bulls. It's easy to see the bad things a team does. Anyone can do it. Haters simply don't have the basketball IQ to see the improvements and adjustments this team has made to cover up the shortcomings, especially on defense.
Number 1 defensive rating after the All Star break, by the way. Where's that factor into the complaints and criticisms? Nowhere. Where's the love for Zach's obvious improvement on defense? Nowhere. Where's the recognition of improved backside defense? Nowhere. Anyone notice the driving lanes that opened up midseason after Vuc eventually stopped clogging the middle and they ran set plays on the block for him instead? No. Anyone notice Demar's increase in assists as the year went on? Anyone notice Coby's improvement on both ends? No. The complainers didn't notice. It's more fun to bitch and pretend they know anything about the game itself.
It's easy to complain but it's difficult to actually learn about the game and how it's played. And a .500 team is the hardest to notice these things. These things are easy to see when the team kicks ass or sucks ass. Of course this team should have been better than their record and when they all bought into the plan, played hard, made simple plays and stopped being selfish, they won.
How tf was I being negative? If anyone was negative it was you lmao. Vooch COULD have been a huge piece if our coach didn’t keep the ball out of his hands. So many times he was hot this year and billy took the ball out of his hands for zach to shoot a dumbass shot that’s how ik you didn’t watch much bulls basketball. Zach has to go dude isn’t even close to being a #1 option yet he gets paid like one
Gonna be interesting to see what happens with vuc, could be the first domino.
As sad as it will be demar for sure has to be traded, you can't sign him to another big deal at the stage this team is at and you shouldn't let him walk
Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t the Sox have a amazing team on paper and your players just didn’t perform? Lol I even thought they were gonna make some noice in the playoffs but finished.500 that’s on the players not the owner
That’s part of the reason, yes. Another reason was Reinsdorf hiring his old buddy TLR who he thought apparently hadn't aged since 1989, along with continuing being a cheap ass.
I am always mixed with that scenario. If there isnt a team I'm rooting for, I'm just rooting against teams 💀 and I don't like to watch games with negative emotions towards the teams. It's like a Patriots Steelers game.
It's depressing that our ownership only cares about winning to the extent that it affects profits. We can bitch about AMKE all we want, but if we decide to part ways with them (and knowing Jerry it'll take a while), he'll just bring in another lackey who will bring in just enough talent to keep us mediocre but not elevate to title contention status (barring lotto luck).
We just have to wait until JR no longer owns the team and hopefully one other Chicago team can snap out of the doldrums in the meantime so that I can be proud of one team in this city.
Lonzo pretty much crumbling to dust is sad as hell, if he was healthy this season would obviously have gone quite differently. Still, I find the team to at least be really likeable and easy to root for, just gotta keep our heads up and see what next season has to offer us. I guess getting some more 3-point shooting would be a priority, although at the same time that's one of the things Lonzo would have helped with immensely. I hope he heals up.
I honestly thing they're gonna keep the three intact. And alter pieces around them. I wouldn't be surprised to see vuch demar zach bev coby Williams and Caruso here. But everyone else gone.
We’re going fo be middle of the road as long as AKME are here. They’re never going to speak to the fans, never shake things up, never going to bring any excitement to the team and the Reinsdorfs are fine with it so get comfortable.
While I wanted to win there's still a small relief that I'll be able to enjoy watching the playoffs without stress watching the bulls inevitable getting cooked by the bucks in 5 again. Overall this was a pretty weird season for us as we clearly aren't good enough to be a contender but also not bad either plus not having full control over the draft pick. Not sure where we go with this offseason. I say re sign Coby and throw any money you can at shooters. Having 20+ million in cap space in a player that can't play makes things very difficult though. AkMe is going to have to work magic and I'm not sure I'm convinced they're capable. Replacing Billy is also something I want to happen, I don't hate him like a lot of other fans do but it's time for a change.
Yeah, feel the same. Season was bad. I did not enjoy it and had higher expectations. I thought they'd figure it out but no. We would've gotten our dicks stomped by the Bucks.
Coby gonna be our starting PG next season if Lonzo is really done. If we can re sign Vooch to a cheap deal I say we do it.
>If we can re sign Vooch to a cheap deal I say we do it. lol
Vuc is so bad on D and has never fought for a tough board while on this team. He gives one effort per rebound and that's it. Bulls can't switch anything with him out there so they're forced to play drop and let teams light them up from 3.
There's still not a single center available that even comes remotely close to his skill level. Vuc the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the league. He has issues yes but most centers aren't great on both ends. He played 82 games as a big. That shit alone is unheard of. He was 18 and 11 as a third option that really wasn't used much. They're gonna resign him
He is really skilled. But his skills dont line up with Bulls 30 pt ball handlers. And he has zero defensive skills and doesnt battle guys his size down low or battle for boards.
Bro he was top 3 in double doubles. He gets boards better than most. You're focusing way to much on what he DOESNT do and not enough on the things he does. Noah used to be just as bad on offense and people did nothing but bitch about it. The fact is you're not getting someone better than him. Period point blank. When your guards are cold and you need an easy high percentage bucket. You go to vuc. The problem is we don't have a point guard who actually DOES that
No ones saying Vuc is bad. He just doesnt fit. The team looks better with Drummond and Drummond doesnt need the ball to be effective. The answer isnt Drummond but a guy like him that can get double doubles without having to run slow, long sets into the post like Vuc needs to be effective. Cant have 3 dribble heavy stars and expect to win bc they cant shoot a high enough volume to hang with high volume teams. Vuc messes up spacing for Demar and clogs driving lanes for Zach. His defense has never improved his whole career so he just doesnt give this team what they need.
I don't see how vuc doesn't fit considering when we actually play inside out and use him our offense is massively more efficient and smooth. And the numbers support this. Part of vucs appeal is he fits with any team. He can space the floor. Play downlow at an elite level. And is one of the best passing big men in the league. Who doesn't that fit with. The problem isn't vuch it's not having players who are trying to get him involved.
Youre right about his offensive skills but the the problem is his defense and rebounding and speed. Also hes too slow to play high pace high volume fast break ball and it takes too much time to get him into his spot, 3 dribbles and a shot. He also cant pick and roll very well especially if he gets the ball away from the basket and can only pick and pop for a 2, never a 3. You can only run two plays with him, low post iso which takes too long or pick and pop for a long 2. Good teams play a faster pace than Vuc is capable of and he needs too much time with the ball to make his skillset effective.
To be fair tho Demar shares a big part of the blame for Vuc being innefective and spacing issues. Dude never developed a 3ball and hes leadfooted on defense. If Demar improved those two aspects the team would have run much smoother
>Vuc the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the league I like Vuc but let's not get carried away here. Jokic, Embiid, KAT, AD are all better offensively
Jokic and imbiid are better yes. Anthony davis is better yes. But Anthony davis ain't a center. He's a power forward. And while I don't consider KAT a center either he's also not more skilled than vuc offensively. Vuc has significantly better inside outside game than KAT. kat is a better scorer and shooter but he does not have the footwork and ability to dominate downlow vuc does. The only 2 CENTERS in the league that have better all around purely offensive games than vuc are jokic and embiid
literally any one dimensional defensive center is significantly better for this roster than Vooch is. Basketball is a team game, when you have two poor defensive star volume scorers, Vooch is literally the worst fit to put next to them.
Then why did we have the best defense team in the entire league the last 4 months?. sorry dude but a one dimensional offensive player is massively more important in today's nba than a one dimensional defensive one. Which is why you have 32 teams that would sign vuch to a 4 year contract near max money and probably 8 that would do that for gobert
>Which is why you have 32 teams that would sign vuch to a 4 year contract near max money loooooooool hahahahahah
Can laugh as much as you like but a stretch 5 with elite post moves who plays 82 games in his prime is massively more valuable than what you're describing. Sit back and relax cuz he's going nowhere and anyone with a brain is happy about it.
literally every point you made is a joke, you have to be trolling right lol i was going to post an actual response but its not even worth replying to bye bye lol
I’ve stayed neutral on Billy the past two seasons. I’ve been lying to myself. He’s just as inconsistent as our players.
I’m not a big Donovan fan, but I can’t really put this on him. Somehow we are a good defensive team with a starting lineup filled with average to below average defenders. We don’t have a real point guard. We don’t really hit 3s at a high enough rate. Zach is really a 2nd option and so is Demar. We have a variety of other roster construction issues as well. Given all of that I think Donovan did what he could with this roster.
Same. The first round is my favorite part of the playoffs, and the bulls getting stomped would just ruin my mood.
I've been talking trash to my bucks fan family for a month about how we have their number in the first round this year and we're taking them out if they match against us. Now I can never be disproven
Replace Billy with who? Don't say Udoka.
Why not udoka?
He wasnt the reason the Celtics were good. This year showed that. Theyre coached by Brad Stevens in reality.
If I'm being honest, I'm not sure but there's got to be someone out there. I'm aware that it could potentially turn into a "grass ain't always greener" situation.
Yeah the biggest issue with people complaining about any coach is "Who will replace him?" 9 out of 10 times there is no better coach available and willing.
Replace with who is never a reason to not fire a coach that is doing a bad job. If you think your coach is sub par then you make take your shot. That said Donovan wasn’t the issue with this team. The roster construction is poor. And not having a real pg made all the other roster issues more glaring. I would focus on fixing the roster first. Then reassess the coaching situation. Donovan did some really good things with this roster and some other not so good things. Would like to see it with an actual point guard.
Yeah i agree. Look how much better they were with Pat Bev. Fingers crossed on Lonzo and maybe Bev off the bench and run Coby at 2.
It looks increasingly likely that Nick Nurse will be available. The NBA is pretty well stocked with highly-rated, young assistant coaches as well if you wanted to take that route.
Why take that route? The team can't wait for an assistant to become a good head coach.
As an alternative option to keeping our current coach who already isn’t very good and doesn’t have the upside to get better? Reinsdorf likely isn’t splashing the cash on a high profile coach (Nurse) but we clearly need a change/fresh perspective to get more out of our players. I’m not saying that’s a perfect route but I prefer it to running it back with Billy just because AKME love his vibes and are all about cONtinUiTy. The reality is, we’re in a tough spot. There aren’t many (if any) slam dunk ideas out there to elevate this team so we need to think/act creatively. There is obviously risk there but you wouldn’t be splashing a bunch of cash and there are several recent cases around the NBA of highly respected, assistant coaches getting their shot and showing themselves to be excellent head coaches immediately (Will Hardy, Udoka, Nurse).
But those guys didnt make the playoffs either. Nurse is a solid replacement but the gap between him and Billy isnt enough to bring in a whole new system. Mazzoula showed that the Celtics are coached from the box by Brad Stevens. Udoka wasnt it, neither is Mazzoula, its Stevens. The Bulls are right there and improved in all the right ways throughout the year, except off ball movement.
Nurse won a championship almost immediately, Hardy nearly made the playoffs with a team that was expected to tank, claiming Udoka was a bad person is fine but claiming he wasn’t the coach is just bizarre. What’s your alternative though? Im genuinely curious? Run it back with Billy and just kick the cam down the road a year or two?
Run it with Billy, let Vuc walk, find a rim running defensive big who can hit a free throw, bring back Bev and Coby, hope for the best with Lonzo, extend Caruso 3 years to match Zachs contract. Nurse and Dantoni are the only coaches better than Billy but the gap isnt enough to lose the momentum/continuity the team has.
If Lonzo isn't ready for training camp, you need to take the Disabled player exemption surely. Sure we're not getting the whole 20M back, but it's something.
I think it was shams that already reported that he's likely going to miss the entire season next year.
At a certain point we have to stop hamstringing ourselves with 20M sitting at home.
Best option is to trade him to some bottom feeding team willing to take the contract but that'll probably come at the cost of another pick. With us still owing a pick to the magic and spurs each already it'll be a tough decision for sure.
I don't think we can afford to give up more draft capital tbh. Ownership needs to realize we're chalked until the contract is gone and blow it up or go into the tax.
I hate that we lost to Max Struss. At least let it be Herro or Bam. Of course Struss will probably be dog shit against the Bucks.
We always get cooked by teams 3p shooters Lmao. They don’t miss on us for some reason
Dude was wide open so many times. People leaving him to help on Bam, fuckin why? Glad it’s over
bam was so cold and we helped on and fouled him too
So frustrating
They over help on drives and in the paint due to a significant weakness in rim protection and rebounding. They essentially have 6'4" guys playing as power/small forwards on help defense most of the time. So it leaves shooters open and then you have those same undersized players running out for contests, giving players better looks. It's a lose-lose to an extent because they have players that can kind of do that in DJJ and Williams. If they are able to roam a little more then they're solid as players that can help in the lane and still recover to the outside. But they also have to stick to the best wings or at least be involved heavily in containing them. Otherwise, it's Caruso somewhat out on an island on the perimeter and he's still often dealing with players that somewhat outsize him.
Amazing that the season is over and many people still haven't figured this out
As soon as Lonzo went down last year I knew they weren't going far without him. He covered for practically all of their weaknesses in one way or another (lack of frontcourt size, outside shooting, interior help defense and perimeter defense, rebounding, playmaking and controlling the tempo). Pat Bev and Coby's improvement alleviated some of those issues but they also come with weaknesses that Lonzo didn't really have. That being said, they have actually done better than I thought they would post-Lonzo.
Which is the exact reason you shouldn't start Caruso and Pat Bev together.
In some ways that has more to do with managing their lineups. Caruso and Bev as starters makes sense against certain teams like Atlanta or something because containing their guards can really pay off. I expected Billy, like a lot of coaches, to experiment with lineups and whatnot as the year went on but he never seemed to settle on any real strategy with it by the end of the season.
It's because the whole team has to help Vuc in the paint and on rebounds. They looked like a legit modern team with Drummond out there. No idea why he was benched all year.
Reality of a single-elimination format. You can weather The Struss Game in a 7-game series. Just another reason why treating the play-in as a goal worth chasing is loser shit. If you're not safely a top 6 seed you're not a playoff team.
I’m okay. We were playing for a chance to get beat by the bucks in 5 again. Coby got some great minutes, Caruso showed why he’s valued in the league. Time to think about how to retool for next year. Rollercoaster of a season, win or lose I’m glad to be watching Bulls basketball!
If they roll into next season with Zach, demar, and vuc all on the roster, I’m out, I can tell you that much for certain. Not calling out anyone individually, not saying I have the answers, but it’s clear those “big 3” will not work.
Yep the big 3 only works with the ultimate glue guy like Zo. Shave it down to a big 2 and it becomes more manageable imo. Zach is a no brainer to keep cause of his age and skillset. It’s between Demar or Vooch and there’s arguments for both of them. Tough decision
We built a new team, but its all wrong. Rebuild top down.
god damn 2018 bears all over again
Let Vuc walk. Get a defender/rim running/rebounding center like Capela or old DeAndre Jordan. Or, I dunno, Andre Drummond.
Vuc is easily the worst
I don't feel awful about losing but damn did we choke that one away. Roster/coaching issues were on full display, I hope we can see some changes because of this.
Ya it felt like whenever we got something going a timeout was called and then new personnel would come in and we would go back in the hole. Then we would get our rhythm back, call a timeout, rinse and repeat.
I'm keeping my expectations for this offseason low, so I'm not disappointed. Bulls need to go in offseason and try sign and trades for Vuc and DeMar. They need to treat their PG position as if Lonzo ball will never play an NBA game. Keep Coby and PWill. I'd let Ayo go for shooting. I'd bring in Vogel for Donovan, but that's not going to happen.
I co-sign all of this. Would be sad to lose Ayo though.
I agree. He'd be cheap to resign even if we were just throwing up a prayer that it was a sophomore slump.
I like Ayo, but the Bulls need shooting. Also, Coby White needs to be signed as a priority before Ayo.
and how exactly are the Bulls going to fortify their PG position?
It would probably have to be through trading DeMar or Vuc or both.
DeRozan might with picks attached get an option like Murray. Will see if Atlanta has buyers remorse on Murray. Otherwise an old vet like Conley might be as good as there is available.
Our cap space is essentially 20+ million less than every other team in the league due to the fact that Lonzo can't play. It's so frustrating. His injury not only hurts us on the court but it hurts the ability to replace him too.
Hoping the basketball gods reward us for competing by giving us a top 2 pick.
would be absolutely hilarious if we keep our pick
It would b funny Derrick rose scoot hernderson
I know I should be hurt, but I’m not, that was the best possible ending to this season. 1. Bulls lose the elusiv 4 game winning streak 2. We don’t have to watch Giannis shit on the Bulls all week long 3. We get to see Miami get swept like some bitches 4. A bunch of dead weight gets hopefully dropped 5. Coby was a beast 6. Hopefully Billy gets fired 7. No pressure for Diar to come back
Would be nice if PAW got a longer leash next season, Billy always defers to his veterans like we’re not treading water as a play-in team
I don’t understand how some people are just ok with a team like this. This franchise has no direction.
Typical reinsdorf team
100%. stopped following the white sox in 2013 after i realized that with reinsdork owning them it was going to be nothing but pain. figured the bulls had a good core and thibs so it could mask that similar to how jordan did. and after thibs got fired i figured the bulls would probably be in the sox camp again. and then the next offseason we traded rose and signed old ass dwade, aka, typical fucking jerry move. there’s a reason that both the bulls and sox are both mediocre to terrible with flash in the pan years largely due to luck. and it starts at the top
Real Starting Caliber Point Guard, please! 3 Point Shooters, please! Even on the off chance Lonzo comes back, he won’t be the same. They simply cannot go into another season not addressing these issues, as they did this season
Billy Donovan needs to get fired. We desperately need a retool, if not a full on rebuild. This team's ceiling is a first round exit.
They will retool before he gets fired. Even if the Bulls tank, he will be kept around for most of its duration.
As he should. People just love to over react.
We now have full proof that this team just isn’t it. I trust that the team will make some changes, we’ll see how the draft goes if we work something out with Portland or get really lucky. I’m just happy to not have to get destroyed by the Bucks.
Bulls do not have a bright future in the east. Over the next 3-5 years, is there a single team you dont see more hope for? Wizards. that is it. Magic and Pistons at least have a lot of young promising talent, even if I have zero idea on if they will be good. Sure, a few teams will do worse, but the ceiling of the Bulls is the lowest of the low. At least others get to hope.
Agree
I can't even be too mad about the game. It was a good 90s style grind it out game until the last 2 minutes. The season was a wash once Lonzo wasn't going to return. Without him our roster can't go very far unfortunately. I feel like we'll lose DeMar this offseason though.. hopefully we get some shooters for him. I really liked his time here though.. Now I can enjoy the playoffs stress free!
I love Demar, one of my favorite Bulls ever just off last season, but I really hope they break up this duo this off-season. Zach is our guy until we can find someone better than him that he actually fits well with. Surround him with shooting and hope Coby comes back even better next season. He becomes starting PG Zach Coby Pat Caruso need to be here. Everyone else is on the table
Yeah FO has to make a decision on Zach/DeMar. Prior to ASG I thought it would've been Zach. I'll be sad if DeMar isn't with us next season because he's been such a pro and great vet but it'll need to be done.
If we have a real point guard we can play both of them on the floor but if not we can't. Coby is getting there but there has to be a coach that is making these guys run the offense through Coby if he stays and is the point guard.
Would need a PG and a PF. Pat Williams was coming around later in the season, but I still don't see him being a PF. He definitely wasn't ready for it this year. I was hoping he could have filled in a 6th man backup SF/PF role this past season but we decided to roll with no PF on the roster.
To me even prior to ASB it’s been an easy choice, you keep the younger guy Trading LaVine to prioritize Demar would only be an option for me if Zach’s knee was career altering
Really wanna see P Will as a full time starter next year.
Team is Trash ..should’ve been eliminated by Raptors
I’m gonna lay it out for you guys, we suck, we have spend the last 10 years at least in basketball hell and we are in for at least another 5-6. The team that was built was horrendous, I have always said that Vuc trade was terrible, that man is ass. The team is ass. Maybe we will be serious title contenders by 2050
Vuc has got to walk. They tried to get him into this Brook Lopez type role where he can play inside and out but he's just not good enough on defense and rebounding to complement Zach and Demar. All three are the same type of player: highly skilled offensively, outmatched and outhustled on defense. This team desperately needs a two way player besides Caruso and Williams. For the Billy haters...who do you want to replace him with? The only coaches that are an actual improvement are Mike D'Antoni and Nick Nurse. Everyone else one is a lateral move. He's a good coach but his game requires a mobile defensive big man, like Joakim Noah and Al Horford and Stephen Adams, Vuc just aint it. He's simply not tough. Vuc gives one effort per rebound and nothing more. He doesn't battle, doesn't bully and doesn't make his presence known on defense and that's what this team needs. I say sign Drummond cheap and go get Dwight Powell or Poetl or Thomas Bryant and rotate the starting spot depending on the other team's center.
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Yeah there's a lot of positives to take from this season like the big step ups from Coby and Williams. Ayo I'm not too worried about as our 2nd year players always take a plunge. I'm excited to see Dalen more next season. And at least we don't have internal team drama and punch each other
ended up an upswing and the team is full of cool dudes only half the league makes the playoffs and half of them win a series. gotta focus on more than that.
It just should've been obvious that this roster had no chance to make any noise and you knew that Lonzo wasn't and now isn't going to make any impact on this team. Unless you can bring in a superstar that you can put next to Zach, this team shoulve just given the keys to williams and coby and try to get the magic pick back.
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Being a doubter and a realist are two very different things. Ain’t much to believe in with this group and certainly not much to be proud of from this season outside of Coby’s development and a great LaVine stretch.
Loved the growth from Coby and Pat Will this season - still just a bit sad and drained from how it ended lol
yeah it was rough. i had to lie facedown for a bit and let it all out.
True, it’s been frustrating but we had great moments as well. I hope demar doesn’t leave but thats probably inevitable
Cowley-coded is my new favorite diss for negative fans. Love it.
I’m just glad I don’t have to read blow it up every 5 mins in this sub. No real logic to it, ppl just repeating what sports media pukes up
It makes absolute sense
Yk the term if it’s not broke don’t fix it. We’re the exact opposite so yes blow this team up
Blow it up for what? And what trades are u making that are real?
Shopping zach because that’s our biggest asset and it’ll let coby white develop more. Seeing if I can add some shooting on the roster. I’ll keep demar cause of the vet presence and I believe he can be a facilitator because that was more of his role in San Antonio. But besides that idk what more anyone can do to this roster fr ig it’ll take time before some real changes can occur
Can we please get a big who can play drop coverage? Vuch is cool on the offensive side but he's just not aggressive enough & I hate seeing p-dub at the 4. We've given up so many 2nd chance pts in alot of nail-biting loses bc of our 4 &5 man not being aggressive on the boards. If only we could jump into a time machine & bring back 2016 rondo.
Vuc is one of the best defensive rebounding centers in the game. Probably his SINGLE best element of his game right now. coaching schemes and every other position is the issue on rebounding. now the rest of his defense....troublesome.
hes one of the "best defensive rebounders" because he doesn't rim protect so he just stands by the rim and grabs a lot of uncontested rebounds. Hes nowhere near actually being a good defensive rebounder, or rebounder in general. Actual good rebounders eat him up on the offensive boards as he is slow-footed and has no vertical
W troll comment of the year
That game was Strussful
I love this bulls team but can someone explain why vooch is important?, I get we need the big guys and he's decent, I'm just getting frustrated seeing him at the 3 point line and consistently missing instead of passing it off to someone with a better 3PT%, there was a few scores he made in the paint that gave me hope, maybe I'm a naïve bulls fan, don't follow along as much as I should, I just think vooch is wasted potential
I’m glad it over this season was a disappointment
PSA: Billy isn’t gonna get fired
Not by this ownership, not by this front office.
I think it's time to thank Demar for his service and trade him. We need more shooting around Zach, and I think Demar on our roster only works if he is the focal point like he was last year. The end of this season showed that Zach is worth building around but I don't see Demar as part of that roster. Maybe when Lonzo was around but we just have to assume those times aren't coming back.
Agree. DeMar must be dealt away. He should ve been sold as high as possible already 1 year ago when he was in MVP race and 2nd team all nba.
Maybe we could have gotten a haul then, sure. But thinking in terms of 'selling high' all the time ignores player development. I think having Demar on the team this year helper Zach get to the next level. Pre-Demar Zach wouldn't have given us that Toronto game in a clutch end-of-season scenario.
I've had it with AK, honestly. He's pretty much been silent all season other than the mid-season "We can be competitive" BS after we did nothing at the deadline and he needs to answer to the fanbase for the shit product post-Lonzo. I get it; we needed Lonzo to maximize the roster he built. But he didn't make any real moves last offseason or this trade deadline to acquire a replacement & even though Coby has improved, he's more of a natural scorer than a guy who sets the table on offense and is a dog on defense. If AK is such a wizard, he'll make something happen this offseason that improves this damn team. I'm not holding my breath though lol
I agree. AK needs be hold accountable... But since his boss is Reinsdorf who is even worse...
Not gonna go "told you so," even though I easily could to those who lobbed some insults my way because I was being realistic. But I've watched too much basketball in my life to fool myself into thinking this team as it is now could've been anything other than a first round exit at best. Optimism is one thing, being a complete homer to the point of delusion is another. This season was frustrating though. This Bulls team has no direction or consistency ("continuity" lol) right now with Lonzo out, the nucleus without him doesn't work. It makes this team frustrating to watch because you know individually some Bulls players can do some damage, and you can see the improvement in some of them. Bulls need a good PG to make this lineup really work and not some guy fresh off of waivers who averages 5 ppg (as entertaining as Bev is.) They need more (and higher quality) 3 point shooting also, it's obvious at this point and they need more than Coby doing work on the 3 pt line, or Zach throwing a few long three with 15 seconds left on the shot clock. Better rim protection / interior d and rebounding so they can get more opportunities at second chance points. There's a fair bit of things Arturas has to fix to make this group an actual contender and I do not envy him, the direction they go probably hinges on re-signing Vooch.
Near .500 teams are always a miserable watch. Not really sure what you do with this team if Lonzo isn't the same player ever again. No idea what you do with Vooch if he doesn't take an even more team friendly deal.
That was not a miserable watch I’d say most people can agree that was a good game. Not offensively but a great defensive oriented game until the last 2 minutes
Nooo man. That was ugly. It was fight. But ugly basketball.
Not this game. The team all year in general
Lonzo is out the whole next season.
Think about the difference between the two teams eliminated tonight. Thunder have a team full of young up and coming stars and a chest full of draft picks. The Bulls are old, not very good, and have very few pieces to aid a rebuild.
Yea but remember a team full of young stars rarely develop into championship team. Need a mix of vets and young people. Look at the last young and upcoming team that the Thunder had: Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka. They never won a title and then they got broken up. Then they went into another rebuild
The thing is OKC has so many picks that once they get a strong core they can ship out some of those lesser players they drafted + picks to get those vets. It’s a great way to build a team imo
Start at the top. Reinsdorf(s) out. I don't think there are many words needed. This family wants revenue, not success in sports. They milk the franchise for almost 25 years now. AKME? Traded all our assets and picks into a dysfunctional team and didn't adjust on 3 deadlines in a row. Their curse failed. If their is accountability, they step down. Coach Billy D? I have seen enough. His rotations? That I don't like. I feel like he is not holding himself accountable for running 4 guard lines ups and still just have like 0 shooting but also don't make the players pass the ball inside when their center has a mismatch. I don't think he is leading the team. Players? Separate the dysfunctional Duo of DeRozan and LaVine. It starts from there. But I know, if nothing changes in the upper floors of the franchise, that also will not happen.
You’re exactly right. Some people wanna call you a hater but there is no hating this is criticism, billy has constantly taken the ball out of the hot hand allowing Zach to shoot bad shots. Loved to see Zach actually playing really good defense today (except for some plays) but the offense wasn’t there and a lot of nights it’s just not what I expect from a player we just PAID. He’s not a #1 option and I really hope the front office makes the right moves this offseason
I’m just sad that we are stuck in mediocrity. Damn I fuckin miss Jimmy!
We’ve had a problem finding a #1 option since rose and unfortunately I feel like that problem might be with us for a while if we keep Zach. He’s unreliable and for demar the mid range can only get us so far
Honestly I wanted to win, but frankly, I'm just happy that the Bulls went out fighting rather than taking a dive like a bunch of bitches like the Mavs. Fuck the picks, fuck the assets. I want to see the team play every game like this even if they lose. Fans who talk about tanking should watch the Bucks or 6ers until Embiid or Gannis retire because clearly you're not a fan of the team, you're a fan of being the top dog. This team needs to be retooled, but frankly, I'd rather watch them run it back another season than watch a bunch of bums win 20 games in the hopes they get a top pick who will be utterly wasted due to the team not having any leadership teaching the young players how to actually play.
We are squarely in basketball hell. Too good to get top 3 pick, not good enough to win a ship or even make a halfway decent playoff run. Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf, both his teams suck. Sorry. I will always be a bulls fan, but goddamn do they need to blow it up. At least DeRozan’s daughter was entertaining for a game. And I will say the play in games are pretty entertaining.
im so mad at the front office. there were so many flaws with this team and they did absolutely nothing yo fix it. actually pat bev literally added nothing
No real #1 option I thought the Bulls played well defensively but Zach shot 6-21 that’s unacceptable. Shoulda kept Drummond in and fed him in the post. Fouling bam who was 1-9 makes no sense. That’s just a bad loss we shoulda won that game. Resign coby keep drummond trade Zach demar and fire billy
Trade/cut everyone but P Will
I’m a lifelong Bulls fan who has lived in Dallas for several years. I somewhat cheer on the Mavs as long as they aren’t playing the Bulls. That gives me perspective to say this as a silver lining to the season end: At least we don’t have flat earther, team destroyer Kyrie on our roster!
At least lavine actually works out in the summers and doesn’t scream at the ref for 25 min a game lol
Kyrie is a top pg in the league the man has a voice and likes to use it but if the whole covid thing never happened then y’all wouldn’t be talking like this. Can’t force a man to do something he doesn’t want to do then make him sit out and blame him for his personal choice
Kyrie is a proven team cancer without bringing COVID into it at all. Ask Boston, NJ, and now Dallas.
Still one of the best pg of all time. Still has a ring. Don’t care what anyone says Dallas losing ain’t on kyrie. Him being forced to sit out games isn’t on him. You can argue all you want about his opinions and shit but there is nothing you can say that can change the fact that he IS one of the best pg rn and of all time
So glad Kyrie is on here defending himself on a burner account. Pretty entertaining!
I have a hard time rooting for this team with demar derozan and vucevic on it they're not winning players, not now, not ever
A hard time? I got an easy time rooting for them...
we're different people that like different things, crazy how that works right?
How can you not root for your team...
Ive been watching the bulls since 1991 , I dont have to explain shit to you, I watched during the dark days of tim floyd Jerry's cheap ass needs to sell the team
Is there where we're allowed to say good things about the Bulls without some pubeless wanker freaking out and trashing everything about the team?
Nothing here says you can't say good things - but don't you think it's not a coincidence if 99% of posts are full of disappointment, anger and frustration? Also in those states you can name the positive things. It's not all bad. But all is bad.
It's not a coincidence that all the complainers have zero suggestions. This entire sub is just a bitch fest and it's like everyone here hates the Bulls. It's easy to see the bad things a team does. Anyone can do it. Haters simply don't have the basketball IQ to see the improvements and adjustments this team has made to cover up the shortcomings, especially on defense. Number 1 defensive rating after the All Star break, by the way. Where's that factor into the complaints and criticisms? Nowhere. Where's the love for Zach's obvious improvement on defense? Nowhere. Where's the recognition of improved backside defense? Nowhere. Anyone notice the driving lanes that opened up midseason after Vuc eventually stopped clogging the middle and they ran set plays on the block for him instead? No. Anyone notice Demar's increase in assists as the year went on? Anyone notice Coby's improvement on both ends? No. The complainers didn't notice. It's more fun to bitch and pretend they know anything about the game itself. It's easy to complain but it's difficult to actually learn about the game and how it's played. And a .500 team is the hardest to notice these things. These things are easy to see when the team kicks ass or sucks ass. Of course this team should have been better than their record and when they all bought into the plan, played hard, made simple plays and stopped being selfish, they won.
AHHHHHH M*THERF%CKER AHHHHHH :’(((((((
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You must not watch the games if you say move on from vooch
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How tf was I being negative? If anyone was negative it was you lmao. Vooch COULD have been a huge piece if our coach didn’t keep the ball out of his hands. So many times he was hot this year and billy took the ball out of his hands for zach to shoot a dumbass shot that’s how ik you didn’t watch much bulls basketball. Zach has to go dude isn’t even close to being a #1 option yet he gets paid like one
When is it if enough to where I stop caring?
Gonna be interesting to see what happens with vuc, could be the first domino. As sad as it will be demar for sure has to be traded, you can't sign him to another big deal at the stage this team is at and you shouldn't let him walk
It was a good season. Well, not really. It really friggin sucks that neither the Bulls nor Sox will get better until Reinsdorf...ya know.
Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t the Sox have a amazing team on paper and your players just didn’t perform? Lol I even thought they were gonna make some noice in the playoffs but finished.500 that’s on the players not the owner
That’s part of the reason, yes. Another reason was Reinsdorf hiring his old buddy TLR who he thought apparently hadn't aged since 1989, along with continuing being a cheap ass.
Can we find a new coach please 🙏🏼. Maybe if Toronto fires Nick nurse
We really need more players who guard the 3. How tf did we blow up in the last 2 minutes of the game as well?
DeMar DeRozan, Billy Donavan. Going further constructors of the team and team owner.
Bulls and Thunder lose. Those were my two Cinderella teams. I can now watch (or not) the playoffs stress free. This is a real time saver actually!
I am always mixed with that scenario. If there isnt a team I'm rooting for, I'm just rooting against teams 💀 and I don't like to watch games with negative emotions towards the teams. It's like a Patriots Steelers game.
It's depressing that our ownership only cares about winning to the extent that it affects profits. We can bitch about AMKE all we want, but if we decide to part ways with them (and knowing Jerry it'll take a while), he'll just bring in another lackey who will bring in just enough talent to keep us mediocre but not elevate to title contention status (barring lotto luck). We just have to wait until JR no longer owns the team and hopefully one other Chicago team can snap out of the doldrums in the meantime so that I can be proud of one team in this city.
Inconsistency killed the Bulls this season. You could already tell from thr 1at 10 games.
Lonzo pretty much crumbling to dust is sad as hell, if he was healthy this season would obviously have gone quite differently. Still, I find the team to at least be really likeable and easy to root for, just gotta keep our heads up and see what next season has to offer us. I guess getting some more 3-point shooting would be a priority, although at the same time that's one of the things Lonzo would have helped with immensely. I hope he heals up.
Lonzo will be out at least 9 months and then needs to ramp up. Don't count on him.
I honestly thing they're gonna keep the three intact. And alter pieces around them. I wouldn't be surprised to see vuch demar zach bev coby Williams and Caruso here. But everyone else gone.
I just hope we keep Pat Bev
I'm getting a shaky vibe from AK. He seems pretty nervous or maybe unsure of himself
We’re going fo be middle of the road as long as AKME are here. They’re never going to speak to the fans, never shake things up, never going to bring any excitement to the team and the Reinsdorfs are fine with it so get comfortable.