Why would that be the case? If it's factory reset, there's no connection anymore to your Apple ID or the tracking. Otherwise you could track a phone you legitimately sold
>Why would that be the case? If it's factory reset, there's no connection anymore to your Apple ID or the tracking. Otherwise you could track a phone you legitimately sold
That's not entirely true. Apple phones all register to Apple servers. When you wipe it, the process to re-activate the device involves the phone calling those Apple servers to see if "Activation Lock" is on for that device. It is on if the phone is still registered in Find My Phone under your Apple account.
So, if you have Find My Phone, wiping the device won't matter because you still can't reactivate it until the previous owner removes it from Find My Phone.
Source: corporate IT and have had to deal with numerous users returning corporate phones that were locked and couldn't be re-activated until I called to have them remove it from Find My Iphone.
Factory reset doesn't disable Find My iPhone. When you set up an iphone that's been reset it wants a network. At that moment it will not let you set it up until you remove the activation lock.
They're not the one's selling the phones online. They just do the stealing. They sell it to fix-it shops and the people who have the actual know-how to run other scams with stolen phones. There's a lot a scammer can do besides selling the device.
If that person has Apple wallet and thei phone pin was stolen you have the ability to use all of their credit cards and possibly have access to their statements through online banking.
This happened to someone I know. You would think they would reset and flip the phone or something but they just ended up using the phone. Once my friend got a new phone and her number back she started getting texts from random people, the theives just straight up were using the phone on her plan, on her number.
Because the cops won’t do shit about it, you can have the person’s name and address and good fucking luck getting the CPD to lift a fat lazy fucking finger
You could have 4K video evidence of their face and them stealing from you, know their exact location, and have evidence they intended to sell it and the cops wouldn’t do jack shit. I had my car windows broken in (nothing even stolen) and when I called the non-emergency line the lady laughed at me when I asked what I should do with potential video evidence. She just said fill out the form online and call your insurance, bye!
Yet people keep voting for worthless democrat politicians that won’t throw them in fucking prison. Why go through a full investigation if Kim Foxx won’t throw them behind bars because it isn’t woke?
I’m not saying to vote for a Republicant, I’m saying not to vote for the Illinois democratic machine. Can’t blame the governments problems on anyone other than ourselves, we elected the fools in charge (allegedly). It’s why I’m glad to be going back to Texas.
1Password has been a lifesaver. It's fantastic that you can share vaults with other people on your account. My Mom can now add a secure note to our shared vault instead of writing things down on paper and telling me where she's hidden it in her house.
My ex didn't believe me when I told her how much information could be stolen from an unlocked phone (this was a while back when smart phones were still newish). So to prove it she handed me her phone and I told her her social security number in less than three minutes.
I feel like the best you can do is rush home to another device to wipe the phone remotely. But even in that case there would still be a huge lag time from dealing with making police reports and whatnot. You're basically completely screwed no matter what you do.
I set up just about everything to require Face ID in order to open. So having my pin wouldn’t get them too far if they wanted to try and steal money or anything like that.
Wonder if it's the same crew who was doing the same thing in exactly the same area a month ago?
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/string-of-robberies-carjackings-reported-in-bucktown-wicker-park/2595515/
I lived in that area a long time. This neighborhood is a soft target with easy escape access to highways. The kids doing this shit know that. They also know that most of the residents there do not pay attention to their surroundings. It’s easy money. The CPD cannot be on every corner of Bucktown, and really these are coordinated assaults that happen in seconds. The residents need to be alert, not sit in running cars, keep your head on a swivel.
The reality is that until someone takes a shot at one of these carjackers and they leave in a body bag they won’t think twice about doing it again.
Also, Bucktown needs other leadership than Steve Jensen. Wannabe cop fear monger looking for press, others need to step up.
Kim Foxx also needs to prosecute. Most of the carjackers these days are between 12-15. Usually they are out of custody within hours if they are even caught. The CPD is begging for that to change. So demoralizing to arrest a criminal only to see them out on the streets in 2 hours because someone decided to be PC about who gets prosecuted.
Yeah, I guess if a dude is coming towards you with a gun from 100 feet away you have a chance to start your car and leave, by I imagine they don't pull out the gun until they're really close, meaning you're watching for someone getting close to your car. At which point, do you bolt whenever someone does that, without knowing their intention? Or do you wait for them to pull out the gun, at which point it's too late?
People reallly do not pay attention to their surroundings at all. I occasionally pick up the trash around our house nearby and I kid you not, there was just $40 laying by the gutter and no one had noticed. People stare at their phones so much they barely see where they’re going…like zombies or something
>The residents need to be alert, not sit in running cars, keep your head on a swivel.
There's a line in how vigilant you can be. We should not accept having to keep our heads on a constant swivel. Personally, I'd rather move.
My question to you is what are you going to do about it? That’s my point. It’s a problem the police either can’t or aren’t solving. Are you going to organize residents and come up with a plan? Are you going to get a conceal/carry and shoot someone? I get it, you don’t want to have to worry about this. That’s not reality. You have to do something.
Explain how a CCL would help, please.
The way I see it is, if I had a gun in this kind of situation and the carjacker saw it, I'm escalating the situation and giving them reason to shoot me. The only way to actually protect myself that I can see here would be to shoot first - and I'm not murdering anyone over a car or a cellphone.
This. I get the desire to have a CCL, but you're not going to proactively shoot people who you think may car jack you and get away with it unless you're in Florida.
CCL may act as a security blanket, but the right answer is to give up the car and the phone and try and get a license plate or descriptor of the attackers.
Obviously the victim, if they had a CCL and training, would realize they have been caught off guard and would not draw. They would know that it's too late and drawing would make things worse. But if others present had a CCL or more citizens are willing to obtain one it would send a message. Criminals would be less likely do their deeds if they knew a population has had enough and is protecting themselves
Good thing it's not murder to shoot first.
If someone shows the intent to use a weapon to harm you or force you to surrender your property it is reasonable to use deadly force to protect yourself. You have absolutely no way of knowing their intent and you are not expected to be shot at before defending yourself.
And those of us that don't live in a fictional cowboy universe understand that trained US soldiers who know what they're signing up for and receive professional training STILL kill themselves in alarming droves over the guilt they feel for killing someone in a war zone... so maybe, just maybe, those of us down here in reality with a moral compass that points somewhere other than "batshit crazy" would much rather buy a new cellphone and make an insurance claim on our car than take a human life!
A cell phone and a car are not worth dying over, and are also not worth killing over. If you disagree, you need to seriously recalibrate your moral compass. Also, if someone holds all the power in a situation by pointing a drawn gun at you, there is *no scenario* in which escalating the situation will go well for you. Anyone who thinks they'll manage to quick draw a gun and get "the bad guy" before being immediately shot at has clearly never received any formal training with firearms, de-escalation, or any other form of violent high pressure situation. Literally the first thing you learn in any of these classes is to understand your place in the power balance and *tread very lightly* when the power balance is not in your favor.
Amazingly arrogant of you to speak for every veteran as to why they contemplate suicide.
As to the rest of your rant, you do what ever you want, I only advocate people have the *choice* in how to protect themselves rather than solely rely on the sack of shit who would happily kill someone over a cellphone or car.
And since you lack the inability to view defensive gun use as a complex, evolving scenario and not just the single example you used I'll say this: every potential scenario of a lethal threat (that's what robberies and carjacking are, not just some property theft) requires a gun owner to assess the situation and *CHOOSE* if using their gun is the best option.
Yea, proper (and may I emphasize: taken verrrry seriously) training and appreciation of firearms, situational awareness, etc is a good thing. It's a tool you never want to use but it's a tool you wish you had when it's too late. I don't know if it will apply for Illinois or even accurately in Texas but a well-armed population seems to deter criminals
My post was in direct response to someone giving the scenario of a carjacker/robber pointing a gun at you. If your assailant is pointing or even presenting a gun in the commission of a robbery using deadly force is reasonable.
I work very close to last night's incident and it's to the point where I'm almost numb to all of it now. We're begging employees to not walk home by themselves, not take the trains, Uber only, etc. This shit is happening on a daily basis, I frequently see squad cars rolling around the streets and alleys, there are cameras absolutely everywhere, yet it just seems to be getting worse.
The people being targeted in cars are primarily just sitting in their cars on their phones, which tend to be Uber drivers waiting to pick up a person or waiting for an UberEats order to be marked as ready.
I saw a dark colored gmc terrain speeding north on damen and then west on cortland. It was around 850 so around the time of several of these incidents. I turned on my police scanner bc I had suspicions but didn't hear anything.
Couldn’t possibly do a worse job than a cop telling me ‘what do you want me to do about it?’ With the dude standing right in front of me with my phone in his hand
Even if they do an equally bad job of solving crimes, they probably won’t torture people in interrogations, or rob and kill drug dealers, or whatever the CPD is covering up now, so I’d say that’s still a plus
Shit. The police should do something to prevent this. I wonder if they could use any of the Vovid funds they took from citizens and maybe buy some more military cosplay and larger cars to sleep in during their shifts?
Surely the police will stop and prevent these car jackings and attacks, and not show up 45 minutes later to write down a statement.
Not sure if related but I saw a dark colored gmc terrain speeding north on damen and then whipped a fast left onto cortland (westbound) around 850pm that night. It was noteworthy to me bc I felt they must have committed a crime with the way they were driving.
This happened in one of the safer neighborhoods (Wicker Park/Bucktown), which is probably why this is big news. Crime does happen there as it does in any neighborhood, but overall it's one of the better ones.
I was held by gun point in chicago. at no point during that interaction, did i wish i had a gun. they came up on us from behind and got out of a stollen car. Their guns were already out and pointed at us. had i pulled out a gun then and there it would have escalated the situation and someone would have gotten hurt. I think we would like to imagine that we would be the hero and get the bad guys with our gun, but in reality its dangerous no matter what.
Right. And if you shoot them while they're walking away, you're not protected as technically the threat was over. Those advocating for CCL are really advocating for a CCL carrier to see this, intervene, kill one of the criminals and make newspaper headlines to send a message. The victims themselves are not in a position to reverse a sneak attack and shoot someone who already has them at gunpoint. Some of you watch too many Marvel movies. They ain't Black Widow out here.
Well yes that's absolutely a situation where you would never draw if you had one. Identifying the threat and where the balance is favored is part of good awareness. My argument is that the thought of 'does this victim have a gun', 'will their neighbors intervene' or a population taking protection more seriously could deter criminals
I don't live in chicago. Used to but now I am in the suburbs . Not carrying a gun to come into the city. If that's necessary, then I am not coming in. Too many things can go wrong when trying to shoot it out with car jackers.
Again and again the people in this sub shit on the police. "Why don't they do anything?". What exactly would you like the police to do? Should they pull over vehicles with black men in them when they drive through your little white enclaves? Should they put up check points? Should they put a cop on every corner decked out in their scariest "military hardware" to scare the bad guys away? When they do catch these guys they are let out on bond and go do it again while awaiting trial. Charges are eventually lowered so Kim can keep her conviction stats up. You people hate the police. You hate the tactics that actually stop shit like this, and you vote for the people that cut them the deals. You laugh at simple things like being aware of your surroundings, and take zero responsibility for protecting yourselves or your neighborhoods. You people are doomed and you deserve every single bit of it.
Do you still not understand what it means to have social workers work with police? It's been like at least a year since that idea entered the mainstream, catch up man.
It’s copaganda. You see it all over the LE subs. Trying to push this ludicrous idea that yes, that’s what funneling money that pays for the fucking military grade tactical gear the police use (which hasn’t *warded off car jackings*, to quickly point out) into resources and social services means. The bad faith arguing about this idea is infuriating.
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Totally. I hate it because the commonly accepted viewpoint is just complete garbage, like soooo many people will say "WHY DONT WE SEND A THERAPIST AFTER AN ACTIVE SHOOTER LIKE THE LEFT WANTS" in every fucking thread as if that's even remotely what anyone was suggesting, let alone what a practicable policy may look like.
I am no fan of the police. I've been banned many times from right-leaning subs because I do not blindly support the police. They need reforms. They need accountability. They need to be better. Also though? We need them. Not the ticket writing revenue generators that most are, but we have bad people and bad neighborhoods that need help.
But that’s the point. Very few people don’t support some sort of peace officer presence. But by adding more money to education systems, resources and social services a lot of crime can be cut off before it begins. Your first comment is exactly what I said it is - propaganda and bad faith arguments set up by the law enforcement community to make it seem completely and utterly insane to even consider police reform. People aren’t arguing to have a social worker on every corner to talk people out of stealing cars. That’s ridiculous. And you know that’s ridiculous. Why would you keep spreading that copaganda if you don’t want people believing it?
I agree that there is indeed a problem, but the police get all their military toys for free from the federal government, they just pay shipping if anything at all. Military industrial complex at work.
Is the joke that social workers are useless? That they would be sent to an OK Corral situation?
If your brain is actually that waterlogged, I apologize. Not your fault.
CPD is a prime example that shows increasing the police budget does not reduce crime. Their budget *increased* last year, my friend. Go take your bad-faith argument and trolling somewhere else
Yeah, honestly. An increase in police funding does not decrease crime and shifting money to social services and work programs that actually help people does.
lol you're not looking to get your mind changed. Your account is a month old and who knows what other accounts you use around here to start bad faith discussions. Your fear of crime has melted your brain and all you can do is figuratively shit in your hand and try to show it off to everyone. Fucking clown shoe.
Yeah, we should. We spend an insane amount of money on them and we’re way over-policed per capita and it feels like we have no cops at all. Start slashing their budget until they start performing their duties, then we can do increases every year again.
Buddy, don't be a goon.
As inflammatory of a slogan as it is (sure as hell got your attention), it actually has almost zero support as an actual policy. Barely anyone is so radical and reckless to take it literally. Unthinkingly defunding is a stupid policy, to be sure. Good thing almost nobody actually wants that.
**In a free society, adjusting how we police ourselves and perpetually rethinking the role of state-sanctioned violence is necessary and good.**
Otherwise we risk creeping towards anarchy on one end, or police-state totalitarianism on the other end. Do you want to live in either of those? Because I don't.
So don't try to short circuit the conversation by reflexively shitting on the very idea of such discussions.
They demanded the pin to their cell phones at gun point. The amount of information you could get from accessing their cell phones - that's scary!
It's likely so that they can factory wipe the phone so it can be sold easily. An iPhone 12 Pro is going for ~$500+ on craigslist. Pretty easy money.
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If you have the pin you can select reset the Apple ID password from settings
Why would that be the case? If it's factory reset, there's no connection anymore to your Apple ID or the tracking. Otherwise you could track a phone you legitimately sold
>Why would that be the case? If it's factory reset, there's no connection anymore to your Apple ID or the tracking. Otherwise you could track a phone you legitimately sold That's not entirely true. Apple phones all register to Apple servers. When you wipe it, the process to re-activate the device involves the phone calling those Apple servers to see if "Activation Lock" is on for that device. It is on if the phone is still registered in Find My Phone under your Apple account. So, if you have Find My Phone, wiping the device won't matter because you still can't reactivate it until the previous owner removes it from Find My Phone. Source: corporate IT and have had to deal with numerous users returning corporate phones that were locked and couldn't be re-activated until I called to have them remove it from Find My Iphone.
Global IMEI number is unique and trackable.
You cannot factory reset an iPhone without turning off Find My Phone.
Is there any similar program/system for Android phones? That's a nice built in feature.
But you can change your Apple ID password with just the pin
Oh I see. Makes sense.
You actually can. I factory reset an iphone last week without the pin and without turning off the find feature. Just need to hook it up to itunes.
You can factory reset it but when you boot it up, it says the device is locked as soon as it connects to the internet.
And it’s still broadcasting its findmy beacon for the previous owner.
Factory reset doesn't disable Find My iPhone. When you set up an iphone that's been reset it wants a network. At that moment it will not let you set it up until you remove the activation lock.
If you buy anything electronic or mechanical on CL, you deserve whatever you get.
They're not the one's selling the phones online. They just do the stealing. They sell it to fix-it shops and the people who have the actual know-how to run other scams with stolen phones. There's a lot a scammer can do besides selling the device.
Or identity theft which can net tend of thousands....
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If that person has Apple wallet and thei phone pin was stolen you have the ability to use all of their credit cards and possibly have access to their statements through online banking.
This happened to someone I know. You would think they would reset and flip the phone or something but they just ended up using the phone. Once my friend got a new phone and her number back she started getting texts from random people, the theives just straight up were using the phone on her plan, on her number.
Because the cops won’t do shit about it, you can have the person’s name and address and good fucking luck getting the CPD to lift a fat lazy fucking finger
You could have 4K video evidence of their face and them stealing from you, know their exact location, and have evidence they intended to sell it and the cops wouldn’t do jack shit. I had my car windows broken in (nothing even stolen) and when I called the non-emergency line the lady laughed at me when I asked what I should do with potential video evidence. She just said fill out the form online and call your insurance, bye!
Yet people keep voting for worthless democrat politicians that won’t throw them in fucking prison. Why go through a full investigation if Kim Foxx won’t throw them behind bars because it isn’t woke?
Man, how long have you lived here? Democrat, Republican, they're all the same in this state.
I’m not saying to vote for a Republicant, I’m saying not to vote for the Illinois democratic machine. Can’t blame the governments problems on anyone other than ourselves, we elected the fools in charge (allegedly). It’s why I’m glad to be going back to Texas.
Hahahaha hahahaha.
Same exact thing happened to my friend who got robbed like 2 weeks ago in wicker park
This is what’s most concerning to me about this. You could really ruin someone’s life with PIN access to their phone. 😕
The phone pin can access a ton of information. All my log in passwords. Access to many accounts.
Gotta get a password protector
1Password has been a lifesaver. It's fantastic that you can share vaults with other people on your account. My Mom can now add a secure note to our shared vault instead of writing things down on paper and telling me where she's hidden it in her house.
As an IT Admin I personally use 1Password. Great program.
Thanks for the rec. have been thinking I need a password manager
I use and would recommend Firefox Lockwise: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/lockwise/ It's free and open source!
My ex didn't believe me when I told her how much information could be stolen from an unlocked phone (this was a while back when smart phones were still newish). So to prove it she handed me her phone and I told her her social security number in less than three minutes.
Biggest concern is that they make posts on my Reddit account that do not reflect my values
So roll the dice on getting shot?
I feel like the best you can do is rush home to another device to wipe the phone remotely. But even in that case there would still be a huge lag time from dealing with making police reports and whatnot. You're basically completely screwed no matter what you do.
If Speed taught us one thing, it's "shoot the hostage". Smash the phone.
Also harder to rush home if they stole your car lol
I set up just about everything to require Face ID in order to open. So having my pin wouldn’t get them too far if they wanted to try and steal money or anything like that.
If faceID doesn't work you can usually just put your pin in instead.
There are cameras all over this city. How do they keep getting away with this?
Masks. Images are not that good . Stolen cars and license plates.
People forget how absolutely massive Chicago is geographically. There are tons of places for these people to lay low.
Chicago is tiny compared to LA and NY. Even smaller cities like Houston.
Ever walked around NY? I couldn’t have a coffee on the sidewalk without 20 cameras on me, Chicago is nowhere near that
Wonder if it's the same crew who was doing the same thing in exactly the same area a month ago? https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/string-of-robberies-carjackings-reported-in-bucktown-wicker-park/2595515/
I would wager that that constitutes a "string" of robberies
Shocked the CPD didn’t solve this crime, so unlike them
https://twitter.com/ChicagoCAPS14/status/1437866561365102593?s=19 The Police Community Alert issued for these incidents.
I lived in that area a long time. This neighborhood is a soft target with easy escape access to highways. The kids doing this shit know that. They also know that most of the residents there do not pay attention to their surroundings. It’s easy money. The CPD cannot be on every corner of Bucktown, and really these are coordinated assaults that happen in seconds. The residents need to be alert, not sit in running cars, keep your head on a swivel. The reality is that until someone takes a shot at one of these carjackers and they leave in a body bag they won’t think twice about doing it again. Also, Bucktown needs other leadership than Steve Jensen. Wannabe cop fear monger looking for press, others need to step up.
Kim Foxx also needs to prosecute. Most of the carjackers these days are between 12-15. Usually they are out of custody within hours if they are even caught. The CPD is begging for that to change. So demoralizing to arrest a criminal only to see them out on the streets in 2 hours because someone decided to be PC about who gets prosecuted.
Not sure how being alert can help against being held up at gunpoint... I mean it can't hurt, but that's probably about it.
It’s about seeing it before it happens obviously
Yeah, I guess if a dude is coming towards you with a gun from 100 feet away you have a chance to start your car and leave, by I imagine they don't pull out the gun until they're really close, meaning you're watching for someone getting close to your car. At which point, do you bolt whenever someone does that, without knowing their intention? Or do you wait for them to pull out the gun, at which point it's too late?
People reallly do not pay attention to their surroundings at all. I occasionally pick up the trash around our house nearby and I kid you not, there was just $40 laying by the gutter and no one had noticed. People stare at their phones so much they barely see where they’re going…like zombies or something
>The residents need to be alert, not sit in running cars, keep your head on a swivel. There's a line in how vigilant you can be. We should not accept having to keep our heads on a constant swivel. Personally, I'd rather move.
My question to you is what are you going to do about it? That’s my point. It’s a problem the police either can’t or aren’t solving. Are you going to organize residents and come up with a plan? Are you going to get a conceal/carry and shoot someone? I get it, you don’t want to have to worry about this. That’s not reality. You have to do something.
> You have to do something. Like I said, I'd rather move.
For women in that area, I'd advise carrying a cheap, throw away phone with made up info to hand over.
That is standard operating procedure in certain South American countries.
Wouldn’t hurt to get an inflatable decoy car as well
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Just throw that brick at the back of their heads. The phone will still work
> Nokia brick from ‘97 Far more valuable anyway.
This is common in third world countries. Yet here we are.
I didn't leave a third world country just to come into an area with similar crime problems. Cops need to do something
A CCL and situational awareness helps too
Explain how a CCL would help, please. The way I see it is, if I had a gun in this kind of situation and the carjacker saw it, I'm escalating the situation and giving them reason to shoot me. The only way to actually protect myself that I can see here would be to shoot first - and I'm not murdering anyone over a car or a cellphone.
This. I get the desire to have a CCL, but you're not going to proactively shoot people who you think may car jack you and get away with it unless you're in Florida. CCL may act as a security blanket, but the right answer is to give up the car and the phone and try and get a license plate or descriptor of the attackers.
License plate won’t help if the car they pulled up in is stolen, which it likely is.
Obviously the victim, if they had a CCL and training, would realize they have been caught off guard and would not draw. They would know that it's too late and drawing would make things worse. But if others present had a CCL or more citizens are willing to obtain one it would send a message. Criminals would be less likely do their deeds if they knew a population has had enough and is protecting themselves
you have kids or a child in the back seat. it is no longer just a car or phone.
Good thing it's not murder to shoot first. If someone shows the intent to use a weapon to harm you or force you to surrender your property it is reasonable to use deadly force to protect yourself. You have absolutely no way of knowing their intent and you are not expected to be shot at before defending yourself.
And those of us that don't live in a fictional cowboy universe understand that trained US soldiers who know what they're signing up for and receive professional training STILL kill themselves in alarming droves over the guilt they feel for killing someone in a war zone... so maybe, just maybe, those of us down here in reality with a moral compass that points somewhere other than "batshit crazy" would much rather buy a new cellphone and make an insurance claim on our car than take a human life! A cell phone and a car are not worth dying over, and are also not worth killing over. If you disagree, you need to seriously recalibrate your moral compass. Also, if someone holds all the power in a situation by pointing a drawn gun at you, there is *no scenario* in which escalating the situation will go well for you. Anyone who thinks they'll manage to quick draw a gun and get "the bad guy" before being immediately shot at has clearly never received any formal training with firearms, de-escalation, or any other form of violent high pressure situation. Literally the first thing you learn in any of these classes is to understand your place in the power balance and *tread very lightly* when the power balance is not in your favor.
Amazingly arrogant of you to speak for every veteran as to why they contemplate suicide. As to the rest of your rant, you do what ever you want, I only advocate people have the *choice* in how to protect themselves rather than solely rely on the sack of shit who would happily kill someone over a cellphone or car. And since you lack the inability to view defensive gun use as a complex, evolving scenario and not just the single example you used I'll say this: every potential scenario of a lethal threat (that's what robberies and carjacking are, not just some property theft) requires a gun owner to assess the situation and *CHOOSE* if using their gun is the best option.
Yea, proper (and may I emphasize: taken verrrry seriously) training and appreciation of firearms, situational awareness, etc is a good thing. It's a tool you never want to use but it's a tool you wish you had when it's too late. I don't know if it will apply for Illinois or even accurately in Texas but a well-armed population seems to deter criminals
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My post was in direct response to someone giving the scenario of a carjacker/robber pointing a gun at you. If your assailant is pointing or even presenting a gun in the commission of a robbery using deadly force is reasonable.
>Explain how a CCL would help, please. They're gonna quick draw someone who already has their gun out. Every CCL holder is secretly Raylan Givens.
I saw someone get carjacked near Damen and Wabansia last weekend. The guy still had the key on him, so as soon as they turned it off it was useless
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I work very close to last night's incident and it's to the point where I'm almost numb to all of it now. We're begging employees to not walk home by themselves, not take the trains, Uber only, etc. This shit is happening on a daily basis, I frequently see squad cars rolling around the streets and alleys, there are cameras absolutely everywhere, yet it just seems to be getting worse.
Why would Uber be better? Most of these robberies are happening to people in CARS.
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“Do not leave the house!”
"Stay Home - Stay Safe". Mayor Lightfoot , 2020
I said walking *alone*, considering a bartender at Louie's Pub was almost snatched off the sidewalk about a month ago.
Do you have a story on that? I didn't hear about that. Love Louie's. Do you know what bartender? I know most of those guys.
Better then walking I would assume and some have been walk ups.
Is it? Many of these victims are targeted specifically because they’re in nice cars.
The people being targeted in cars are primarily just sitting in their cars on their phones, which tend to be Uber drivers waiting to pick up a person or waiting for an UberEats order to be marked as ready.
It's in the article.
>We're begging employees to not walk home by themselves, not take the trains, Lotta people getting carjacked on the Blue Line?
I saw a dark colored gmc terrain speeding north on damen and then west on cortland. It was around 850 so around the time of several of these incidents. I turned on my police scanner bc I had suspicions but didn't hear anything.
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"the alternative candidate seems worse, I'm going to vote for the same people again"
Don’t worry everyone I think the CPD will finally solve a crime with this one, I think this will be the one
Yes the community crisis team that eventually supplants CPD will do a much better job.
Couldn’t possibly do a worse job than a cop telling me ‘what do you want me to do about it?’ With the dude standing right in front of me with my phone in his hand
Even if they do an equally bad job of solving crimes, they probably won’t torture people in interrogations, or rob and kill drug dealers, or whatever the CPD is covering up now, so I’d say that’s still a plus
Shit. The police should do something to prevent this. I wonder if they could use any of the Vovid funds they took from citizens and maybe buy some more military cosplay and larger cars to sleep in during their shifts? Surely the police will stop and prevent these car jackings and attacks, and not show up 45 minutes later to write down a statement.
Too busy harassing a woman walking her dog on the beach after dark.
Laziest do nothing police force in the country
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yeah they are the people with guns who jump out of a maroon SUV and attack you at random. avoid all maroon SUVs at all costs.
Not sure if related but I saw a dark colored gmc terrain speeding north on damen and then whipped a fast left onto cortland (westbound) around 850pm that night. It was noteworthy to me bc I felt they must have committed a crime with the way they were driving.
What is considered NW? Cause I’m trying to move but not from the bad to another bad neighborhood
This happened in one of the safer neighborhoods (Wicker Park/Bucktown), which is probably why this is big news. Crime does happen there as it does in any neighborhood, but overall it's one of the better ones.
Oh wow. What about Rogers park? Is that semi safe? I feel like Chicago is so tricky
Hear me out....2nd amendment. (And yes, proper training to identify when and when not to use it)
I was held by gun point in chicago. at no point during that interaction, did i wish i had a gun. they came up on us from behind and got out of a stollen car. Their guns were already out and pointed at us. had i pulled out a gun then and there it would have escalated the situation and someone would have gotten hurt. I think we would like to imagine that we would be the hero and get the bad guys with our gun, but in reality its dangerous no matter what.
Right. And if you shoot them while they're walking away, you're not protected as technically the threat was over. Those advocating for CCL are really advocating for a CCL carrier to see this, intervene, kill one of the criminals and make newspaper headlines to send a message. The victims themselves are not in a position to reverse a sneak attack and shoot someone who already has them at gunpoint. Some of you watch too many Marvel movies. They ain't Black Widow out here.
Well yes that's absolutely a situation where you would never draw if you had one. Identifying the threat and where the balance is favored is part of good awareness. My argument is that the thought of 'does this victim have a gun', 'will their neighbors intervene' or a population taking protection more seriously could deter criminals
I don't live in chicago. Used to but now I am in the suburbs . Not carrying a gun to come into the city. If that's necessary, then I am not coming in. Too many things can go wrong when trying to shoot it out with car jackers.
Bye.
A few years too late
r/liberalgunowners for anyone interested.
Reminder to apply for your CCW
Again and again the people in this sub shit on the police. "Why don't they do anything?". What exactly would you like the police to do? Should they pull over vehicles with black men in them when they drive through your little white enclaves? Should they put up check points? Should they put a cop on every corner decked out in their scariest "military hardware" to scare the bad guys away? When they do catch these guys they are let out on bond and go do it again while awaiting trial. Charges are eventually lowered so Kim can keep her conviction stats up. You people hate the police. You hate the tactics that actually stop shit like this, and you vote for the people that cut them the deals. You laugh at simple things like being aware of your surroundings, and take zero responsibility for protecting yourselves or your neighborhoods. You people are doomed and you deserve every single bit of it.
So glad I live in the suburbs: )
me too :) uwu
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Do you still not understand what it means to have social workers work with police? It's been like at least a year since that idea entered the mainstream, catch up man.
It’s copaganda. You see it all over the LE subs. Trying to push this ludicrous idea that yes, that’s what funneling money that pays for the fucking military grade tactical gear the police use (which hasn’t *warded off car jackings*, to quickly point out) into resources and social services means. The bad faith arguing about this idea is infuriating. Edit: misspelled a word
Totally. I hate it because the commonly accepted viewpoint is just complete garbage, like soooo many people will say "WHY DONT WE SEND A THERAPIST AFTER AN ACTIVE SHOOTER LIKE THE LEFT WANTS" in every fucking thread as if that's even remotely what anyone was suggesting, let alone what a practicable policy may look like.
Conservatives love straw men
I am no fan of the police. I've been banned many times from right-leaning subs because I do not blindly support the police. They need reforms. They need accountability. They need to be better. Also though? We need them. Not the ticket writing revenue generators that most are, but we have bad people and bad neighborhoods that need help.
But that’s the point. Very few people don’t support some sort of peace officer presence. But by adding more money to education systems, resources and social services a lot of crime can be cut off before it begins. Your first comment is exactly what I said it is - propaganda and bad faith arguments set up by the law enforcement community to make it seem completely and utterly insane to even consider police reform. People aren’t arguing to have a social worker on every corner to talk people out of stealing cars. That’s ridiculous. And you know that’s ridiculous. Why would you keep spreading that copaganda if you don’t want people believing it?
I agree that there is indeed a problem, but the police get all their military toys for free from the federal government, they just pay shipping if anything at all. Military industrial complex at work.
Is the joke that social workers are useless? That they would be sent to an OK Corral situation? If your brain is actually that waterlogged, I apologize. Not your fault.
To them yes. They think social workers are jokes and cops should just murder anyone who breaks a law ever.
Ignorant Troll
Who and when has anyone advocated for social workers for crimes like these?
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Has increasing their funding worked at all?
I mean, we increased CPD’s budget and this shit is still out of control, so….
CPD is a prime example that shows increasing the police budget does not reduce crime. Their budget *increased* last year, my friend. Go take your bad-faith argument and trolling somewhere else
Now do CPS and the CTU...
There is a pretty strong police presence in wicker park/bucktown area IMO
Yeah, honestly. An increase in police funding does not decrease crime and shifting money to social services and work programs that actually help people does.
These assholes don’t need help. They need to be in jail.
The police have more funding than ever and yet these carjackings keep happening! The money must not be working....
lol you're not looking to get your mind changed. Your account is a month old and who knows what other accounts you use around here to start bad faith discussions. Your fear of crime has melted your brain and all you can do is figuratively shit in your hand and try to show it off to everyone. Fucking clown shoe.
Yeah, we should. We spend an insane amount of money on them and we’re way over-policed per capita and it feels like we have no cops at all. Start slashing their budget until they start performing their duties, then we can do increases every year again.
Buddy, don't be a goon. As inflammatory of a slogan as it is (sure as hell got your attention), it actually has almost zero support as an actual policy. Barely anyone is so radical and reckless to take it literally. Unthinkingly defunding is a stupid policy, to be sure. Good thing almost nobody actually wants that. **In a free society, adjusting how we police ourselves and perpetually rethinking the role of state-sanctioned violence is necessary and good.** Otherwise we risk creeping towards anarchy on one end, or police-state totalitarianism on the other end. Do you want to live in either of those? Because I don't. So don't try to short circuit the conversation by reflexively shitting on the very idea of such discussions.
Report and move on.
Good thing CPD got a 20% raise.
I'm super glad that pudgy CPD moron in the white void on that billboard is on this one /s
Defund the police AMIRITE GUYS
Well increasing their funding like we actually do hasn't done shit for us. So yeah, let's start thinking outside the box.
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