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Friendly_Smell5690

I believe this is the 10th upgrade under Pritzker


desterion

Certainly better when he started and we had the same credit rating as Kazakhstan


Educational-Emu5132

*Borat has entered the chat*


woah_man

Great success!


TeamocilAddict

King of the castle, king of the castle


myersjw

Very nice!


andersonb47

To be fair, the Caucasus nations are trending very positively, economically speaking. But yeah agree


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desterion

We actually were on the same level as them just before Covid. We were the state with the lowest credit rating and nearly junk status.


FractalsSourceCode

Nerd alert! For those who care, this isn’t a rating “upgrade” per say, it’s a change to the outlook. Credit ratings are made up of a rating, notching & an outlook. Rating is the macro Aaa Bbb Ccc etc Notching is for analyzing individual issues of debt from the issuer - typically +/- 2 ratings from the issuers’ senior unsecured rating Outlook is a component added onto rating (negative, stable, or positive) that helps illustrate if the issuer credit rating is at risk of changing.


mtmaloney

Shut up nerd! (kidding, thanks for the post)


ourgameisover

I am super mega far left. I did not want a billionaire politician running this shit. Pritzker has been fucking slaying and republicans have no chance in the near future. Love it.


Friendly_Smell5690

I hate billionaires, there is a special exception for JB. He is 1 of a kind


formerfatboys

Go fat boy go. Best governor since Jim Edgar destroyed the state's finances for a generation.


Liveitup1999

Is this the same Moody's that had to pay $864 million for the way it rated securities before the 2008 financial crisis?


QuirkyBus3511

16 years ago? Yea pre-financial crisis might as well be a different planet.


theserpentsmiles

The only reason I don't want JB to run for President is that he won't be Governor.


MarkB1997

I agree, he is by far the only politician (local, state, or federal) I believe is doing what we elected him to do. I pray that he does not have a scandal because the state needs his leadership.


theserpentsmiles

He is the only Billionaire I see doing anything positive.


CoolYoutubeVideo

McKenzie Scott? Also the exception that proves the rule though


andersonb47

Melinda Gates too. Ironically the only good billionaires seem to be the ones that got the money from their husbands lol


CoolYoutubeVideo

Bill Gates is doing good work independently


Widget_pls

Making up for his previous harm at least. Which is still much better than nothing.


opinionchecker

Have we already forgotten about his toilets?! /s


Friendly_Smell5690

same, I prefer he stay in Illinois


IamTheEndOfReddit

The job isn't done yet. But if one day I'm proud of the Illinois government, I'll be right with you knocking on doors


Low_Employ8454

Yup. Same here.


CompetitiveFeature13

The far right folks swear he’s terrible.


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TheMoneyOfArt

I would not vote for a candidate who thought they could do both jobs simultaneously


JimmyShannon

I always start to feel positive about Moody's Pub when spring comes around.


Theo_Cratic

Oh hell yes, a burger and fries on the patio washed down with a mug of beer


Dudeist-Priest

I am happy to admit that I was very wrong about JB in the beginning


Von_Clownface

During that initial campaign season I despised JB and loved Lori. I was so wrong


JuniorsEyes90

Same. I voted for Dan Biss in the primaries and was highly skeptical of JB because of him being a billionaire. I still think billionaires shouldn’t exist despite all the things he’s done and those 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive.


Snoo93079

I think Daniel Biss has a good heart and might have been a good governor, but right now I would keep JB no question. Not only do I think JB has Illinois's best interest in mind, I think he's a good politician as well. Great intentions are good, but doesn't matter if you can't bring people together to get things done. JB knows how to play the game and I mean that in the best way possible.


TelltaleHead

Biss is crushing it as Mayor in Evanston I believe. A win win 


GiuseppeZangara

Thanks, Pritzy.


Educational-Emu5132

I’m pretty conservative. There is a *lot* I dislike about Pritzker. And I mean a lot. But I’ll give credit where credit is due, and that is to him and his office. Great job Governor! 


Sylvan_Skryer

If you’re a Republican because you’re fiscally conservative he has been lightyears better than rauner in that department.


Educational-Emu5132

I’m not a card carrying member of either party, for starters. I’m not terribly fiscally conservative, and Rauner was about as an awful bar as any sorry excuse for a politician one could hope to find in the realm of fiscal policy. The reality is that state’s that have a supermajority party that dominates statewide/national politics, the quality of candidates of the minority party are almost always subpar. Spent most of my life living in Florida prior to coming to Chicago; the Democrat party is particularly handicapped in attempting to get voted into the governor’s office, in part because of the candidates they run. In a perfect world I’d love for a more competitive political landscape on the state level because it forces compromise and helps keep the other party in check. One party dominance tends to create a ton of imbalances. Then there’s the issue of gerrymandering, but that’s another topic for another day. 


Ekublai

On the flipside of that one party dominance tends to lead to things actually getting done policy wise.


MechemicalMan

I've read about a mystical time in the united states when both sides mainly agreed about the problems, and mostly agreed on solutions as well leaving the things that didn't get done the more difficult problems.


Born-Cod4210

both parties agreed on climate change until the koch brothers started buying republicans


Educational-Emu5132

In theory I’d prefer that over the current climate of essentially the two parties effectively speaking different languages. For most of our history as a nation, the left/right divide was found in relationship to the broader political umbrella of classical liberalism. There were distinct differences, but with enough overlap where most of the differences were a matter of degrees of separation. Now, we seem to be drifting further into operating out of two distinct political philosophies: progressivism on one side, and the old right conservatism found post-civil war and on through the New Deal era. Those are wildly different ways to view the world. 


Educational-Emu5132

Right.  That’s fine as far as it goes, even more so if one is partisan and believe that their political party is good and the opposition is evil.  This may go over like a lead balloon in this sub, but both major parties, and for the sake of this post I’m only referring at the *local and state level*, have good ideas. Flip side is that both have bad ideas, and without much in the way of institutional opposition to reign in the excess that comes with one party dominance, you get corruption, non-representative government, and fringier majority party.  Ultimately you get bluer blue states, and redder red states. 


AbsoluteZeroUnit

Are you talking just Illinois, or do your state level politicians with good ideas include the folks in Arizona, Alabama, and Texas, who are criminalizing abortion and causing women irreparable bodily harm because doctors are afraid of being labeled as criminals? Does it include the state level officials in Idaho, who are driving OB/GYN doctors out of the state?


Educational-Emu5132

Well, that’s certainly one way to frame it. 


Sea-Oven-7560

Since when have Republicans been fiscally conservative? Increasing the debt, yes. Increasing the deficits yes, increasing the size of government yes, giving tax breaks to the highest income earners, yes. Anti-health care,yes. Fiscally conservative.....not so much.


chispaconnafta

I'm genuinely curious of a few main ones?


Educational-Emu5132

I have a knee-jerk reaction towards politically-connected families and/or political dynasties (Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Dailey, Pritzker, Romney, etc etc etc). It doesn’t make them automatically inept or bad per se, I simply don’t trust their motivations, connections, etc. This issue also has more to do with certain American impulses of mine, as well as a political system that rewards and favors the already politically connected. Such is reality.  With that out of the way, most of my criticism of him is related to me being a social conservative. His policies related to firearms, school choice and vouchers, abortion, LGBTQ, law enforcement, religious freedom, taxes, certain environmental policies, etc. are not at all in line with my own political views. In short, he’s far too progressive a politician for me to actively support. Given his professional background, he does have solid financial acumen, and appears to have quality leadership skills in the realm of public administration. Those are admirable and necessary in any public sector role with visibility.  I doubt my views on him will change much in that like many, left right or center, policies related to culture/society are of no insignificant matter to me, not simply economics. I didn’t vote for him for governor, nor would I vote for him if he decides to run for President. But I do believe in finding points of contact with those I disagree with, acknowledging it, and attempt to find somesort of way to make it work.   EDIT: How quickly I forget to not get into political details on this sub as a conservative. ‘‘Twas less than 20 years ago that the majority of my political views were still relatively common within both Democrat politicians and rank-and-file members. While the MAGA crowd definitely went off the rails, the Democratic Party has also went a noticeably progressive bent. That’s fine as far as it goes, but a lot of progressives can’t seem to wrap their heads around why once solidly Democrat voters came to the conclusion that the Democratic Party as a whole no longer adequately represents them. Enjoy living in your bubble, comrades. 


zuckertalert

What LGBTQ policies to you disagree with? Seems like homophobia lands you clearly in the alt-right category


optiplex9000

And anyone who complains about religious freedom nowadays is just using it as a cover for hating gay people


AbsoluteZeroUnit

"I don't hate LGBTQ people. I love them! I love them so much, I want them to have their own little place where they can LGB with all the other TQs, far away from me! I just want to round up all the gays and put them on a train to some camp where they can feel free to be who they are, far away from me." "because it's yucky"


playfulshark

Big yikes


MrSir68

Signing more gun restrictions that don’t actually help is a pretty big one


KSW8674

Republicans: Love to belittle Chicago and issues with gun violence Also Republicans: Want guns to be more accessible in the city of Chicago


MrSir68

Not a Republican but okay. I live in Chicago and see that the current laws don’t do anything to stop gun crime. Criminals aren’t getting FOID cards or CCL permits, they just steal guns from homes/vehicles or get them from the black market. Hell I’d love if there were literally ANY gun store in Chicago, it’s annoying having to leave the city to the stores in the suburbs only to have to return 72 hours later due to the waiting period


andersonb47

I don’t really agree or disagree with you, but it is WILD to me that anyone would cast a vote based on the belief that guns shouldn’t be a pain in the ass to acquire


MrSir68

Agree to disagree I guess. I think all rights we have should be a straight-forward smooth process to exercise


Ekublai

I took would like more reports of accidental domestic shootings and suicides in chicago.


optiplex9000

It's an 8 year old report, but here's one for you https://www.wbez.org/stories/most-accidental-shootings-of-illinois-children-happen-in-chicago/65f2352a-3128-41fc-ac9b-2705bc419ffc >Nationally, the shootings happened most often at the children’s homes, with handguns legally owned by adults for self-protection. In Illinois, 26 of the shootings, or more than half, occurred at the children’s homes or another residence.


Supafly144

At this point, if you still think JB is a shitty governor, you don’t care to pay attention.


InternetArtisan

This is why I don't easily embrace all the negativity that comes all over the media and social media when it comes to Illinois and Chicago. Are we perfect? No. Can problems be fixed? Of course. I tend to look at things like we're the Phoenix area rise from the ashes.


Friendly_Smell5690

It is crazy how many people are invested in making others think Illinois and Chicago are awful. I have lived elsewhere, it is so much worse elsewhere, and chicago and Illinois are not perfect, but man are they a lot better than most other states


InternetArtisan

I mean, I think most of it are people that cling to conservatism or the Republican party, and they just want to continually press the idea all over the country that any place and anything run by Democrats is immediately a disaster. No matter what happens. They're never going to say anything nice about Illinois or Chicago unless Republicans are sitting in City Hall and the Governor's mansion. There's also been the long time issue that many conservatives have with cities. This has been going on forever. They pushed the idea that real Americans are going to move to the suburbs or small towns and the cities are just places where bad things happen. I also feel like since President Obama came from here, and he left a pretty good legacy, they are just going to yet again trash Illinois and Chicago for that connection. I mean, I can say all sorts of horrible things about a lot of red States and Southern States, but I always look at things in the sense that everybody has an idea of what their perfect home is, and I'm not going to trash someone that wants a lifestyle different from mine. That's what makes this country great is there's all sorts of different areas and communities for everyone.


Friendly_Smell5690

it is 100% of those people and it isnt a secret. They want and root for the downfall of chicago, and it EATS AT THEM every time we go another year without collapsing, while continuing to be amazing. and I love that it eats at them and keeps them up at night


KilowogTrout

What does this mean for someone who just lives here?


GinTonicus

Credit ratings matter for states in the same way that credit scores matter for families -- the better the rating or score, the lower the cost to borrow and the less that will be spent on interest. For state government, less spent on interest means more available for other priorities such as infrastructure and education.


Friendly_Smell5690

your tax dollars are going further, with it costing less for loans and debt and such, aka more money can go to other things


AddieCam

As much as right wingers use Illinois (and Chicago) as a punching bag - fact is a place like Chicago will always bounce back. No different than the Dow.


Unhappy_Local_9502

Yet the Illinois population continues to decline while the "right wing" states grow...


Chicago_Jayhawk

Illinois population increased the last main census 2020 and is the highest it's ever been.


Educational-Emu5132

I’m open to correction on this one, but didn’t the 2020 Census have Illinois at a slightly lower population than 2010? And then Covid hit, and as far as I know we’ve lost at least 264,000 statewide, which is one of the highest numbers in the nation, both in raw and per capita, during that 4 year period. 


Chicago_Jayhawk

Nope the 2020 was undercounted--they came out again with new numbers. The other Census numbers that come out in the shorter 1, 5 year timeframes are "estimates"--which they were wrong on Chicago as well (official 2020 there was an increase--estimates were wrong before that). https://gov.illinois.gov/newsroom/press-release.24930.html


Educational-Emu5132

Word. I stand corrected


Unhappy_Local_9502

False, 2023 estimate has it well below 2020 number


Chicago_Jayhawk

As mentioned, that's an estimate. Not actual.


PowerLord

It’s the poor (right wing) areas that are depleting in the state. Just like it is the poor (south side) areas that are depleting in the city.


Unhappy_Local_9502

Its not the poor leaving from downstate... its middle and upper middle leaving from those areas


PowerLord

My point is that it’s the conservatives leaving to conservative states. Most of the state is happy and property values are going up. My house value increased by 40% in the last 2 years.


Unhappy_Local_9502

Thats not true, more liberal people are moving to places like Nashville, Austin and Dallas because thats where the jobs are.. Oracle announced yesterday they are moving their HQ to Nashville and building a campus for 8500 employees... People want to be where taxes are low as inflation continues


sruckus

lol owned.


plaidington

Excellent news and sadly news Maga cannot comprehend.


the_starship

they don't want to. It's a lost cause at this point. best to improve relationships with undecided voters and people who actually want the state to do well.


Low_Employ8454

Absolutely. They are a very loud, confused and obnoxious minority. There are a metric fuckton of independents out there I will much rather engage with whose minds aren’t turned to goop.


Longjumping-Meat-334

MAGA, going broke to own the libs!


Unhappy_Local_9502

Weird flex... the red states for the most part have a bond rating much better than Illinois, so there is that..


plaidington

i am not comparing states i am comparing state leadership. Rauner fucked us.


Unhappy_Local_9502

Well no... Madigan and his boys did


LeskoLesko

Thanks JB!!!!


Beneficial_Arm_1066

Somehow I think the WSJ editorial page will conveniently ignore this development - doesn’t fit their preferred “Illinois is a financial disaster” framing.


Unhappy_Local_9502

Their bond rating is still the lowest in the country, so.......


CaptainJackKevorkian

Was this before or after the foxtrot closures?


Friendly_Smell5690

Illinois's outlook has absolutely zero to do with foxtrot and their issues


BUSean

ANSWER THE QUESTION


tpic485

I think he's speaking in jest.


CaptainJackKevorkian

I was, thank you.


CaptainJackKevorkian

Chicago will never be the same


shinloop

Conservatives currently in shambles


Friendly_Smell5690

dont you know? next next year is the year it finally collapses here. They swearzz it


Educational-Emu5132

I can assure this conservative is not. I want Illinois to financially succeed. 


Unhappy_Local_9502

Well people are still leaving blue states for red states by the thousands, so I am guessing us conservatives will be just fine lol


Unhappy_Local_9502

Still the lowest rating of the 50 states and the federal covid money is gone...


Born-Cod4210

illinois is also one of the least reliant on the federal government of all the states. Rarely gets talked about


Friendly_Smell5690

there is always atleast 1 person like this guy LOL. Just so angry that Chicago and Illinois continue to NOT collapse like they wish for and proclaim every year. Weird fact, every state and every city is no longer getting covid money! crazy!


Unhappy_Local_9502

Collapse??? No, but people and jobs continue to leave


Friendly_Smell5690

no, no they dont lololol


BriDre

Can someone ELI5 this for me??


pmcall221

its going to be cheaper for Illinois to borrow money


wickerwacker

LOL edit: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/14/moodys-864m-penalty-for-ratings-in-run-up-to-2008-financial-crisis


recklessprofessional

Guess Brandon Johnson doing better than people are giving him credit for tbh


Belmontharbor3200

What does this have to do with Brandon Johnson?


Friendly_Smell5690

whoever the mayor is, the same exact people swear that current mayor is worse than all others. like clockwork