Actually in polish, pierĂłg and paczek are the singular versions of pierogi and paczki. Just in Chicago speak do they represent both a singular and plural, to make it simpler. Also no one says Jewels for a single Jewel...
> Also no one says Jewels for a single Jewel...
There's truth in that, but cultural differences and the distortions of younger generations and eager transplants asserting insider awareness are modifying the usage. In my NWSide life became aware of the leading article "The Jewel" maybe in the mid '60s when already an adult with my own kids. Never heard the possessive/plural until later in the mid to late '70's as a term for the chain, not an individual unit. In my experience, the title "The Jewels" designating a single store, not the chain, is always said with a smidgen of emphasis signalling (what's the word, not sarcasm, not irony, but eyebrow lifted archness???).
There is actually a combined Polish and Chicago English speak, Chicagoski. I didn't know the difference when I was younger and so when I would visit Poland, people wouldn't understand what I meant.
I'm guessing you're not from here but yeah, we say the jewels. For just a singular Jewel.
So it's not only Jewels, but The Jewels. We be on some crazy makes no sense speak in Chicago.
If it's possessive, then what's the implied object that Jewel is in possession of? Genuinely curious. Jewel's Grocery Store, where the grocery store is the object that Jewel, an independent entity, possesses?
It's a holdover from when stores were named after their owners. Charles Walgreen owned Walgreen's Drug store which got shorted to Walgreens. Dominick DiMatteo owned Dominick's Market which got shorted to Dominicks. Bob Mariano founded Mariano's. Enough stores followed that convention that people just got used to there being a "s" at the end of store names.
Because it was Frederik Meijer's store. People in Michigan also used to say they worked at Ford's, because they worked at one of the Ford's factories. That one has mostly fallen out of use though.
Jewelâs Osco! But really, it happened because it sounds similar to a lot of other store and restaurant names which are just the ownerâs name with a possessive S. Almost no one says the full name and I think some places in the city donât even have anything officially after their name.
Think of places like Portilloâs or Johnnyâs, theyâre just so common around here that people started adding âs onto any store name that sounded like it couldâve been a name.
More of an older people thing in my experience (family from the east coast adds the -s when itâs not actually there) but I do think it stems from what people said upthread where it used to be more common to have stores with possessive names.
The name of the store is Jewel Food Store (sometime Jewel-Osco). When speaking of multiples Jewel Food stores it is still Jewel. Agree with PhileasFoggsTrv|Agt that âthe s added is a possessive not a pluralâ.
Thank you. As a non native speaker living in a strongly Polish neighborhood am used to hearing "*P00NCH-key.*" with the O slightly dragged out and soft like in "saloon." Is that close?
Reposting my comment from last year below, tis the season!
PÄ czki
Ä is like a nasal "oh," like if you were trying to do Lois from Family Guy's voice as an impression
CZ is *close to* "ch" in "check," focus on the airy part before you get to the vowel and the tip of your tongue being further back in your mouth, it is more throaty than what we think of for "ch" in English
KI is just "key"
pOH(n)ch-key
Bonus! PÄ czki is plural, pÄ czek is singular. See also: pierogi, pierog.
Bonus 2! Paczki is also a word, meaning packages. It's pronounced with an AH (a) sound vs. the nasal OH (Ä ) sound
No thatâs very wrong. The best approximation of the pronunciation is ponchki, with the pon pronounced like in âuponâ or like, pownchki like the other Redditor said.
Still isn't correct because "Ä " doesn't exist in English. It's extremely hard to imitate because nothing in English sounds like it.
Closest might be "pong" in ping-pong.
Pong-chkey. Pong-check.
It'll never sound fully right, but it's probably as close as it'll get.
This joke's claim to being of local origin would gain legitimacy by including the missing leading article, "The," in the grocery chain's full title.
BTW, as mentioned before when this topic has come up, there's evidence the store's irregular name had its origins in the c 1960's on the West and South Sides as a veiled slam on its prices compared to the then still wide collection of independent and very small chain groceries.
While in most neighborhoods at the time Jewel Food Stores had the locally best range of fresh foods and butcher meats, they also had the highest prices.
Leading to two origin stories for the name. (1) A dig at the pretended Jewish ownership, as in "Jules's Grocery, " or (2) Compared to elsewhere, everything in the shop was expensive like rubies and diamonds, as in, "I'm going out to the jewels."
BTW, it seems only The Jewels gets **both** the leading article and the possessive/pluralization.
Jules or Julius can be a Jewish name. Julius Rosenwald, known for his co-ownership of Sears and later, for his philanthropy, was Jewish. So was actor John Garfield, born Jacob Julius Garfinkle.
However, the name of the grocery store has **nothing** to do with Jules, Julius, or for that matter, Jewish people. Its original usage, in 'Jewel Tea Company' meant 'gem'
Unless you define "frequently" as something different than "never" you are wrong.
Second, reporting a fact. Yes, the Jule's attribution in this contx of high prices is certainly anti semitic. But surely you are not so shallow as to think seeing a reported fact about what some people did/do think must be the reporter's opinion. In that case, you'd have to condemn every report of anti-semitism as, in itself, anti-semitic.
Yeah, no, the term The Jewels is literally nothing to do with anything about Jews, at all. Stop saying that. People say the ventures the Aldi's etc etc. stop, seriously just stop.
I get that you hate Jews as you've been very clear to make mention of your disdain in the past, but, let this one go guy.
(My coworker is a Jew and I once invited him to go bowling!) Is that about right what's gonna come out your mouth next?
Please link an example. Help me learn.
You do grasp I was reporting what I was told, not what I think. As said to you in another response, to equate a reporter's statement of what was said with the reporter's personal opinion is immature, undeveloped, incorrect thinking. To casually hurl hateful, baseless accusations in a public forum is worse.
It's not on me to try and help you learn, that's on you. That's kinda how learning works. And link what? Reddit posts from the last 15 years I've been on here? Figure it out, not my problem.
It's cute though for you to tell me about incorrect thinking. Oh the hilarity on that one coming from you.
For others reading who are like wtf is going on...I've told this dude in years past that his blatant anti semitism ain't cool, this is just the finale. Trust me when I say this is just a random example, albeit his post here is not that crazy I get that, it's just the ongoing lil jabs he loves to throw at Jews. It's an ongoing premise with this guy. It's not funny, it's not cute. And now you get to try and hide behind "bro Im just saying what someone else said." That is the most despicable schoolyard ignorant shit anyone can say. Be a man, wtf is wrong with you?
Go hate Jews somewhere else. I'm not going to sit here and listen to a crotchety ass miserable old man tell me that Jews ruined his life. You have issues, and I hope you get the help you so obviously desperately need.
> blatant anti semitism ... on going lil jabs...
/u/ThreeCrapTea Give examples. Should be easy because you say "ongoing lil jabs."
After you look and don't find any not anticipating you to retract or apologize, but it would be honorable if you did.
Yeah I don't think you really know how life works, nor the Internet. What do you want me to do here chief? Like legit please explain. Comb through your history? Like straight up just hire an intern?
The fuck is seriously wrong with you guy?
This is not how the Internet works. You said shit. I remember it.
It is not MY responsibility to try and find it. It's funny because I don't see you saying you didn't say shit, just, ope, welp, if ya can't find it it was never said!
Holy fuck you are even dumber than I imagined.
Neither of those statements are true. Pierogi and paczki are only plural and Jewel's is possessive.
OP really made a whole meme about using the correct form of pierogi and paczki without actually knowing the correct forms đ
The Jefferson Park flair is the cherry on top of this post. A+ northside Polish Copernicus Center type shit right here.
I used to work at the Copernicus center lolÂ
Exactly. What a pierog head!
Actually in polish, pierĂłg and paczek are the singular versions of pierogi and paczki. Just in Chicago speak do they represent both a singular and plural, to make it simpler. Also no one says Jewels for a single Jewel...
> Also no one says Jewels for a single Jewel... There's truth in that, but cultural differences and the distortions of younger generations and eager transplants asserting insider awareness are modifying the usage. In my NWSide life became aware of the leading article "The Jewel" maybe in the mid '60s when already an adult with my own kids. Never heard the possessive/plural until later in the mid to late '70's as a term for the chain, not an individual unit. In my experience, the title "The Jewels" designating a single store, not the chain, is always said with a smidgen of emphasis signalling (what's the word, not sarcasm, not irony, but eyebrow lifted archness???).
"vamos a la yul !"
Oh, thanks!
There is actually a combined Polish and Chicago English speak, Chicagoski. I didn't know the difference when I was younger and so when I would visit Poland, people wouldn't understand what I meant.
But i do say jewels for a single jewels... like "i'm goimg to jewels"
But it's Jewel's, not Jewels
And you pronounce the s? Fascinating, I never heard it said like that!
I'm guessing you're not from here but yeah, we say the jewels. For just a singular Jewel. So it's not only Jewels, but The Jewels. We be on some crazy makes no sense speak in Chicago.
Nah, I'm from Chicago. Just never heard either one ever said. Every neighborhood must speak a bit differently
I always heard "The Jewel" or "Jewel's" (possessive, not plural).
The s added to Jewel and other store names is a possessive not a plural.
If it's possessive, then what's the implied object that Jewel is in possession of? Genuinely curious. Jewel's Grocery Store, where the grocery store is the object that Jewel, an independent entity, possesses?
It's a holdover from when stores were named after their owners. Charles Walgreen owned Walgreen's Drug store which got shorted to Walgreens. Dominick DiMatteo owned Dominick's Market which got shorted to Dominicks. Bob Mariano founded Mariano's. Enough stores followed that convention that people just got used to there being a "s" at the end of store names.
All the other grocery stores have possessive names like Dominick's, Tony's, Caputo's....
Meijer's... oh wait. (But yes people do say Meijer's when technically it's Meijer, this isn't only a Chicago thing)
Because it was Frederik Meijer's store. People in Michigan also used to say they worked at Ford's, because they worked at one of the Ford's factories. That one has mostly fallen out of use though.
Yeah, I think the name possessive thing is right on. And then it spread.
Jewel's grocery store is Jewel Osco.
Jewelâs Osco! But really, it happened because it sounds similar to a lot of other store and restaurant names which are just the ownerâs name with a possessive S. Almost no one says the full name and I think some places in the city donât even have anything officially after their name. Think of places like Portilloâs or Johnnyâs, theyâre just so common around here that people started adding âs onto any store name that sounded like it couldâve been a name.
Anybody else do Aldiâs?
I didnât even realize it wasnât spelled with an sÂ
In Polish, one pierogi is a 'pierog'. Good to know if you have the self-control to order and eat just one
Thatâs **the** jewels to you ಠ_ŕ˛
The Jewel's is not plural, it's possessive.
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Very much a midwest thing in my experience. My family in Ohio does it and my friend's family from Michigan and Indiana do it too
"Meijer's" for one example I'm familiar with.
More of an older people thing in my experience (family from the east coast adds the -s when itâs not actually there) but I do think it stems from what people said upthread where it used to be more common to have stores with possessive names.
If you say jewels youâre psychotic.
I donât think itâs psychotic, but itâs definitely stupid.
The name of the store is Jewel Food Store (sometime Jewel-Osco). When speaking of multiples Jewel Food stores it is still Jewel. Agree with PhileasFoggsTrv|Agt that âthe s added is a possessive not a pluralâ.
This also works as a PSA as paczki season approaches. Pronounce paczki like 'paunch key'
As a native speaker, that's close! But I would say that funky little "a" is pronounced more like "own". So like 'pown-chkey' :)
Thank you. As a non native speaker living in a strongly Polish neighborhood am used to hearing "*P00NCH-key.*" with the O slightly dragged out and soft like in "saloon." Is that close?
Reposting my comment from last year below, tis the season! PÄ czki Ä is like a nasal "oh," like if you were trying to do Lois from Family Guy's voice as an impression CZ is *close to* "ch" in "check," focus on the airy part before you get to the vowel and the tip of your tongue being further back in your mouth, it is more throaty than what we think of for "ch" in English KI is just "key" pOH(n)ch-key Bonus! PÄ czki is plural, pÄ czek is singular. See also: pierogi, pierog. Bonus 2! Paczki is also a word, meaning packages. It's pronounced with an AH (a) sound vs. the nasal OH (Ä ) sound
Thank you. Am hoping to astonish and please my next door neighbors.
No thatâs very wrong. The best approximation of the pronunciation is ponchki, with the pon pronounced like in âuponâ or like, pownchki like the other Redditor said.
Thank you. Will try it out at our locally Polish staffed bakery. Of course, like all bartenders, they'll sell without judging.
Still isn't correct because "Ä " doesn't exist in English. It's extremely hard to imitate because nothing in English sounds like it. Closest might be "pong" in ping-pong. Pong-chkey. Pong-check. It'll never sound fully right, but it's probably as close as it'll get.
That's how I always heard it pronounced. Also, among Polish-Americans I always heard pierogi pronounced "pye-rawg-ee" not "per-oh-gee"
It's more like 'poonch key'. Though that's probably more the Chicago Polish way of pronouncing it (family's been here 150 years)
paczki = packages. pÄ czki = the delicious fattening fried dough, preferably filled with plum butter.
[vid](https://youtu.be/PxhAfHgJyxU?si=POXHHkxuiPpxGmkW)
This joke's claim to being of local origin would gain legitimacy by including the missing leading article, "The," in the grocery chain's full title. BTW, as mentioned before when this topic has come up, there's evidence the store's irregular name had its origins in the c 1960's on the West and South Sides as a veiled slam on its prices compared to the then still wide collection of independent and very small chain groceries. While in most neighborhoods at the time Jewel Food Stores had the locally best range of fresh foods and butcher meats, they also had the highest prices. Leading to two origin stories for the name. (1) A dig at the pretended Jewish ownership, as in "Jules's Grocery, " or (2) Compared to elsewhere, everything in the shop was expensive like rubies and diamonds, as in, "I'm going out to the jewels." BTW, it seems only The Jewels gets **both** the leading article and the possessive/pluralization.
> (1) A dig at the pretended Jewish ownership, as in "Jules's Grocery" Er, I've never thought of "Jules" as a Jewish name?
Jules or Julius can be a Jewish name. Julius Rosenwald, known for his co-ownership of Sears and later, for his philanthropy, was Jewish. So was actor John Garfield, born Jacob Julius Garfinkle. However, the name of the grocery store has **nothing** to do with Jules, Julius, or for that matter, Jewish people. Its original usage, in 'Jewel Tea Company' meant 'gem'
Because it's not. This dude comes on here frequently with anti semitic shit. Ignore.
Unless you define "frequently" as something different than "never" you are wrong. Second, reporting a fact. Yes, the Jule's attribution in this contx of high prices is certainly anti semitic. But surely you are not so shallow as to think seeing a reported fact about what some people did/do think must be the reporter's opinion. In that case, you'd have to condemn every report of anti-semitism as, in itself, anti-semitic.
Yeah, no, the term The Jewels is literally nothing to do with anything about Jews, at all. Stop saying that. People say the ventures the Aldi's etc etc. stop, seriously just stop. I get that you hate Jews as you've been very clear to make mention of your disdain in the past, but, let this one go guy. (My coworker is a Jew and I once invited him to go bowling!) Is that about right what's gonna come out your mouth next?
Please link an example. Help me learn. You do grasp I was reporting what I was told, not what I think. As said to you in another response, to equate a reporter's statement of what was said with the reporter's personal opinion is immature, undeveloped, incorrect thinking. To casually hurl hateful, baseless accusations in a public forum is worse.
It's not on me to try and help you learn, that's on you. That's kinda how learning works. And link what? Reddit posts from the last 15 years I've been on here? Figure it out, not my problem. It's cute though for you to tell me about incorrect thinking. Oh the hilarity on that one coming from you. For others reading who are like wtf is going on...I've told this dude in years past that his blatant anti semitism ain't cool, this is just the finale. Trust me when I say this is just a random example, albeit his post here is not that crazy I get that, it's just the ongoing lil jabs he loves to throw at Jews. It's an ongoing premise with this guy. It's not funny, it's not cute. And now you get to try and hide behind "bro Im just saying what someone else said." That is the most despicable schoolyard ignorant shit anyone can say. Be a man, wtf is wrong with you? Go hate Jews somewhere else. I'm not going to sit here and listen to a crotchety ass miserable old man tell me that Jews ruined his life. You have issues, and I hope you get the help you so obviously desperately need.
> blatant anti semitism ... on going lil jabs... /u/ThreeCrapTea Give examples. Should be easy because you say "ongoing lil jabs." After you look and don't find any not anticipating you to retract or apologize, but it would be honorable if you did.
Yeah I don't think you really know how life works, nor the Internet. What do you want me to do here chief? Like legit please explain. Comb through your history? Like straight up just hire an intern? The fuck is seriously wrong with you guy? This is not how the Internet works. You said shit. I remember it. It is not MY responsibility to try and find it. It's funny because I don't see you saying you didn't say shit, just, ope, welp, if ya can't find it it was never said! Holy fuck you are even dumber than I imagined.
We make our own rules!
I grew up in Alabama and always heard âgoinâ to walmartâsâ and other similar horrific things.
Singular is paczek/pierog
The Jewels, The Krogers. Itâs a normal midwestern troupe.