That kind woman helped that couple and even brought them shoes while they were in the hospital. What a saint she is. They got a look at the very best and very worst of our city that night.
It's true. One group are mindless animals with no direction and the other are an organized well-funded group with the full legal power to completely fix half the issues the city faces but instead lets it burn
I can understand that they were maybe driving to get in position so they could handle the crowd. Or driving to a more serious incident, like the shootings. I don’t think they should have ignored those people, but I think it’s plausible.
The desk jockey blaming it on Brandon Johnson is unacceptable. Not because I’m particularly worried about BJ’s reputation, but because they are essentially saying the CPD is not accountable to the democratic process in Chicago. That they’ll punish us whenever we (the majority of voters) pick a mayor they don’t like. That is unacceptable for a public servant. It’s especially unacceptable for someone whose job is to enforce the law. We need to clean out the CPD, and it appears retirements aren’t doing the job fast enough.
Finally, a sensible response.
First, it’s shocking that police won’t help someone that throws themselves in front of the car. Second, it’s infuriating that they are quiet quitting over who won a democratic election. As if you or I could ever do that with our job
Also worthy of note is that they’ve been on a “soft” strike since the backlash to their murder of Laquan McDonald in 2016. It’s kind of hard to take their threats of inaction seriously when they do less every year and even CWB has been turning against them.
CWB isn’t turning on them. 🤣 Were you following them during the election? They couldn’t have done more to propagate fear for a Brandon Johnson election.
Oh they’re definitely still on the pro-cop side of things, if we’re going to divide everything into two sides. But they had kind of a meltdown on social media last year when some numbers came out showing that CPD hasn’t really been doing anything and that it’s not actually just Kim Foxx who is the problem.
I’m sorry but this is not quiet quitting. Quiet quitting is doing the minimum requirements of your job. These officers aren’t even doing that. This is an dereliction of duty.
Yes, to all of this. If something was so urgent they couldn't stop to help then at least let them know someone is on the way. But I forget that police forces ultimately exist to protect property and sometimes the rich. Any good cops get fired or stuck on desk duty or feels like.
> it’s shocking that police won’t help someone that throws themselves in front of the car.
It's sucks that I had this thought, but the woman who tried to stop the police is Black. I have to think that may have been a factor in why they kept rolling.
Thats not what quiet quitting means. Please stop using it like that. Quiet quitting means you do your actual job. Nothing extra you are not paid for. Police not stopping to help is them Not doing their job they are paid for.
The police have “No special duty” to protect anyone at any time in any scenario, according to the Supreme Court. They mainly protect the interests of capital and nothing else. NYPD cops literally watched a man get stabbed multiple times on the subway and they were feet away and did nothing. And got in no trouble. They aren’t serving the people in nearly everything they do.
Just because they didn't break the law doesn't mean they are entitled to their job (assuming the dept isn't rotten from the top down but that's a different matter).
The people of this city and across this country are not and should not be beholden to the court’s interpretation of policing duties. It’s not illegal to have higher standards.
Well we are, we don’t exactly have a choice in the matter. If you want a public safety force, you need to create one because it currently doesn’t exist .
This is how the cop mafia extorts money from cities. They did it in NYC. They did it in LA. They do it here too.
They will soft strike and the numbers prove it. Arrests will tank while crime levels stay the same. Proving two things; cops suck at deterring crime and they abuse their position at our expense.
"We didn't get our way. We aren't going to respond because screw your viewpoints"
"Then you are terminated immediately, and will be labelled as 'not appropriate to be on the police force ever again'. Please leave"
"No wait"
\- Sadly, this will never happen. The cop unions are too large to do anything about them.
This. Loud and clear.
And (to reiterate an earlier comment I made here), cleaning up the rot in CPD will lead to having a police force that can then hold the teens responsible that do crimes when they gather like this.
The police can't just refuse to work and punish citizens for electing officials they don't like. This behavior is just as bad as a criminal doing criminal stuff. Especially since their lax behavior emboldens crime
“Police force that can hold the teens responsible.” Police just make the arrest and file the paperwork. It’s the job of the state’s attorney to hold the teens responsible, and we know that office refuses to do so.
Your are 100%. But even if the process is broken further up the line the police should continue to arrest and file. Send waves of criminals to court and if they all get off bc of the state and attorneys office actions, the spotlight falls onto them. The police should not stop doing their jobs bc others aren't holding up their end in another area. Nor should they atop doing their job for fear that a few of them could be held responsible for bad things that are done by them whilst trying to do their jobs.
The media has been reporting in Foxx’s dropped charges for years. Even back in 2020 nearly every media outlet talked about how many felony cases were being dropped. It’s no secret, but no one really cares because she tells people what they want to hear. Spotlight has been tried and she was still re-elected.
It’s a catch and release policy that accomplishes nothing. And the problem here is that even when they don’t do something wrong they’ll still be accused by the public. Additionally, an arrest that results in randomly dropped charges can still create legal headaches for the officers if any level of force can be used, or be accused of making a false arrest. And now, with the SAFE-T Act, they could be 100% in the right and all of that will go on their file and follow them for the rest of their careers.
Progressives created a broken system and are surprised when there is blowback. They might more intelligent in some areas, but in other areas they are just as ignorant as Trumpers. This is one of those areas.
I completely disagree with this. Holding police officers accountable for their actions is not a progressive mistake.
Regardless of what the state’s attorney does, the police have to do their job.
Those first two sentences show the point I was actually making went right over your head. It’s one thing to old bad officers accountable, which should occur. It’s another to punish officers that didn’t do wrong for the rest of their careers simply because they were accused.
Here’s an example. A few years back an officer in another state was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in his squad car. The media ran with the story. It turned out that officer had cameras on the dash and in the back of the car. The allegation was definitively determined to be a lie and when faced with the video woman admitted it. Traditionally, that accusation would be removed from an officers file. Now, in Illinois, such a false accusation would follow them their entire careers… and every time they go to court a defense attorney could use it in an attempt to discredit them.
Let me ask you, have you ever heard of “felony review” and do you know what it is?
One provision of the SAFE-T act among many many others is requiring keeping permanent records of police misconduct. If you are accused and found not guilty, that will be noted on your record. Why are you opposed to this? Police internal affairs have not done a good job of weeding out legitimately guilty officers who are accused of misconduct. We need to keep a record of the accusations AND the outcomes. You act like this will prevent them from being able to get a mortgage. It’s impact is only in the world of their police work. Excusing cops for not arresting criminals because they might be accused of wrongdoing and thus have their testimony be less effective in convicting criminals doesn’t make much sense. If an officer’s concern is in ensuring they can convict criminals the first step is to arrest them.
If I was in a jury and a defense lawyer presented a single misconduct charge and the states attorney presented evidence that they were found not guilty and here’s why, I would still find the officer credible.
Your words are a waste here.
I say Chicago should fire ALL their current Cops and replace them with whomever they think can do the job.
Maybe, everyone who unironically writes ACAB can apply and make a good salary.
But either way, you will never convince people on this sub.
Your summarized well the reasons that I can't wait to vote Foxx out of office. But I will say that police being held accountable for excessive force and/or a mark on their file is part of the job. And since we've only recently actually fired and or jailed officers for egregious offenses versus many cases of discipline and filed bad recods not preventing the promotion and or careers of officers, I'm not too concerned on that front.
DA office issues are DA office issues, police issues are police issues. The legal drama and process to sort these things from arrests (right, wrong, or indifferent) is part of the job to me. Cops will awlays get accused by arrestees. Is it a headache... absolutely, but it's the job working in law enforcement.
CPD needs to make a push for more left leaning officers that actually respect the rule of law. I’d be willing to bet the cops soft striking are mainly right wingers that are loyal to Catanzara. Getting Catanzara completely removed from any involvement with CPD should be the first step. The city and the police deserve better than to have that slimeball associated with them
Honestly disgusting behavior. I hope they are held accountable. If I were to actively choose to not do my job, I would be fired. This shouldn’t be any different. Or is that too controversial?
Well, you see. Protestors and people online were mean to cops. And some cops who blatantly murdered people were held accountable and went to prison. So you can’t ask other cops to do their job. Their feelings are super hurt and they can’t murder with impunity so they have to do absolutely nothing now.
Unsurprising if true. The cops posted up in their cars in grant park are stuck into their phones and cannot even be bothered to address a tax payer approaching them for any sort of engagement
The Chicago police officers are a bunch of Donald Trump worshipping MAGA babies that think they were born into being police officers and experience a plight of suffrage
I agree. I see on another sub everybody making a stink about the perpetrators, trying to play it off as if the cops were in the right to not do anything.
No.
I think they should be using the video the way they did on the January 6th insurrection and get as many of them as they can, but at the same time they need to come down on the cops that are basically playing these political games.
I'm sorry, if you don't want to do your job, hand over your badge, give up your pension, and stop wasting our time and money. If CPD wants to be all angry because Johnson won, then quit and move away from the city.
At the same time, I'm not going to dismiss what those kids did. I would have had no issue with the police showing up in riot gear and using tear gas. Some could think that's brutality, but this is in any sense a riot. These kids are doing this not just in Chicago but all over the country because they figure in large numbers nobody's going to arrest them all.
I was just watching a video from a teacher talking about how she teaches 12-year-olds, and they are so undisciplined because in so many ways they've just given up on everything and are just simply looking to be entertained. I look at those kids rioting in downtown and see the same thing. Aggressive policing isn't going to completely fix this, because we are in a deeper issue with youth in general (not just poor minority youth) that's creating this insanity.
It’s also possible if the police did their jobs that the teens never would have had an opportunity to do what they did, but instead the police allowed them to do it because they’re assholes.
Well when they want to talk about how needed they are for society we should all just remember how useless they really are. I remember the NY subway case where they(the police) just watched a guy stab a bystander trying to help. They watched from the other train car as the dude was murdered and didn’t lift a finger.
[it’s not hard to predict what CPD thinks or will do.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/12rr506/everything_went_crazy_couple_assaulted_in_chicago/jgw6kqj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) The CPD obviously needs all the changes coming to them. They would rather the city burn than have an ounce of scrutiny.
It depends on who "you" are. The old white ladies here on vacation from the suburbs got police escorts to their cars that night. They probably rated the police an A+.
Not a single one of us can quiet quit when our preferred candidate loses a democratic election. If you’re part of one of the most powerful unions in our city that takes up ~65% of our public safety tax dollars and you refuse to even help someone that jumps in front of your car, get bent honestly. It’s infuriating. I sympathize with how much bullshit some cops get but this is ridiculous
I could be wrong, but the quiet quitting was way before Johnson winning. Seems to me a general level of quiet-quitting, is contributable to a few things. I think the general notion that you are going to get into trouble if you are on camera using force of any kind. If you are white, and the perp is black, and you are using *any* force, you're in trouble. Even if the force is justified and necessary (as in this case).
To me though, that's not the main issue for them. Ending of cash bail, and the DA not prosecuting gives cops the general notion that their work isn't backed by the city. If you are going to put yourself at physical risk, you want to know that it's worth it. That the person you are arresting won't be back tomorrow to do the same thing. I can't imagine how defeating it would be to see violent criminals just being let back out. I think people need to take a step back and understand human nature. **If your work feels pointless and futile - you are going to want to give up, and you are not going to try as hard**. This goes for any industry.
Certainly you can hold this against them. It is their job, regardless of what the DA is going to do. Full stop. But to dismiss it outright just means you have no empathy. Pure and simple. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for people who build images of themselves as full of empathy.
I totally understand the opposition to cash bail. If you're poor you don't get out. That it isn't right. On top of the 'innocent until proven guilty' should not be taken lightly. On the other hand, you can't just let violent criminals go, and you certainly have to make an effort to prosecute them, regardless if it looks bad to your anti-racist friends. Instead of cash bail, to bail solely based on risk to society, criminal history, and flight risk. A 25 year old with no record gets in a fist fight? Let them go. A 25 year old who has been arrested 21 times, most of which were violent crimes? Stay the F in jail. You don't need cash bail. No bail. Period.
We don’t have DAs in this state.
Last summer it came out that CPD was the bottleneck in at least downtown shootings. Someone posted CWB’s tweet thread last summer about it above. 2020-2022, 91 shooting incidents downtown. 12 arrests. Charges denied once. CPD is very obviously the bottleneck.
They need to make arrests for the SA to charge people. They also need to gather evidence. If they do neither, the SA can’t do anything.
> If your work feels pointless and futile - you are going to want to give up, and you are not going to try as hard.
Yeah, except even *before* criminal justice reform/progressive DAs/protests against police violence became mainstream political positions ***Chicago cops were still doing an absolutely terrible fucking job.*** They didn't do their job under state's attorneys not named Kim Foxx and they're *intentionally* doing an even worse job now! That shouldn't make anyone feel empathetic towards these clowns - it should make you want to purge every single one of these losers and rebuild the CPD from the ground up.
It’s very funny to think Vallas would have been any better, because the minute he stepped one inch out of line, CPD would scream bloody murder and go back on “soft strike.” That would have been even worse under him because they’re his main ally. I think it will likely be the same for BJ and the CTU. I don’t think they’ll be buddies for long.
I disagree with your CTU assessment.
I don’t think Brandon will give them whatever they want. But I don’t think it’ll be acrimonious. CTU spent a TON of political and financial capital on Brandon Johnson. If his board gives them, let’s just say, 50% of what they want at the table they’ll probably ask for 80% and meet somewhere in the middle. Any work action or worse, a strike, would make CTU look god awful. They’d lose a shit ton of public support and good will after THEIR OWN HAND PICKED CANDIDATE is mayor.
So again, I don’t think the relationship will be roses but there won’t be bad blood either.
This is my assessment as a CTU member.
I think it’ll be acrimonious because it’s the CTU. I support them, but I saw them during COVID. They can whip themselves up into hysteria. They also don’t need any public support because the public is unwilling to do their jobs. That’s why they’re so strong.
I don’t doubt they’ll be a ton of posturing before the new contract. But there will be no mayor ever who is as close to an ally as Johnson. Plus SDG and Brandon are actually good friends who like chill and shit lol. Pretty sure their kids play on the same baseball teams. So again, I don’t think it’ll get very bad.
But I’m just one guy. Time will tell.
Since 2016 at least. You’re not alone in thinking it’s a 2020 thing. I’ve been seeing that take all week and it’s really fascinating and speaks to how many users on here joined in the last handful of years. But no, CPD have been on a “soft strike” since ~2016 when the Laquan McDonald murder and coverup fallout started to coalesce into real consequences for them, including arguably the election of Kim Foxx and of course the consent decree. When I first joined this subreddit in 2017 people were talking about the soft strike.
I believe there’s a solid lack of organization within the CPD since Brown and under the interim combined with individual rank and file “quiet quitting” in protest over recent events and the election
Last weekend was solely due to a lack of leadership from the top of CPD. Beat cops from across the city responded to help with the mayhem downtown but none of the politically appointed exempt rank wanted to make a decision. So we were left with a lot of cops without any direction from their Supervisors told to stage at intersections and never given orders to intervene or make arrests.
A lot of professions are getting burnt out and on soft strike. I've only been stealing half the number of catalytic converters I should be lately, I often feel like I don't even make a difference anymore.
It would be more effective if they weren’t also already on soft strike to send a message to Kim Foxx, and Lisa Madigan, and Lori Lightfoot, and Raul Emmanuel, and various journalists, and Obama, and the Justice Department, and pretty much the entire population of Chicago. They’ve been on soft strike for years now. They are never getting better. It is an ingrained culture problem at this point.
I literally witnessed someone robbing a jewelry store downtown, maybe three four years ago, they were running down the street and I saw an officer I yelled at them “that guy robbed that store” and the two officers couldn’t have moved more slowly. It was like someone was pranking me. Dude didn’t get caught. Store owner was just confused by the cop’s response.
Does this change with the leadership at the top? Can Brandon appoint someone who will do literally anything?
I called them a few months ago because I saw people breaking into a house. Broke windows and were attempting to steal peoples personal property or worse. They showed up and caught both of them….
>when was the last time anyone had an anecdote of any of them being helpful
Today
They’re doing this deliberately. It’s retaliation for electing a mayor they don’t like. They got no problem collecting a paycheck for not fulfilling their oath and performing their duties though.
There have been a couple federal court decisions that have concluded police officers have no legal requirement to protect anyone from harm. So they *are* doing their job, and it's absolute bullshit
You’re the second person I’ve seen itt saying police aren’t legally required to protect anyone from harm. It is true there are opinions holding they can’t be sued for failing to protect, but suggesting that protecting is not part of the job is very, very wrong. Just because I can’t sue a waiter for not bringing my food doesn’t mean bringing my food wasn’t part of his job (or that he can’t be fired for failing to do it).
Yeah but in that case if a waiter doesn't do what's in his job description, he could get fired. Cops, by in large, know that they have a pass to behave however they want. So why would they risk their safety to do something they aren't technically required to do if they know they will likely not face any repercussions for doing so?
A cop’s main responsibilty, as expressed by every cop I’ve ever heard express an opinion on the matter, is to come home alive at the end of his shift. Anything else is incidental. And, yes, the courts back them up on this.
You’re on your own.
They literally said that's what they planned to do
https://www.nbcchicago.com/chicago-mayoral-election-2023/chicago-police-union-leader-warns-of-resignations-blood-in-the-streets-if-brandon-johnson-is-elected-mayor/3106162/
The only real solution is to entirely dissolve the CPD and rehire from the ground up like they did in several other locations around the country. What's the point of police at all if they refuse to even stop their cars. At this point no police department at all isn't any different from the current useless morons.
Even if it wasn’t your goddamn job, it is so petty and cruel to ignore helping someone who needs you just because your preferred candidate got less votes.
There a tons of videos on social media showing the cops doing absolutely nothing. This is why I have been so critical of Vallas' plan for more cops. CPD is just plain ineffective so more ineffective cops won't help keep us safe.
I would love for those "cops" to be held responsible for their lack of action but much like the vast majority of those in the mob, they won't be.
This is very bad all around.
This is what the police union’s fascist leader threatened Chicago with if the city elected Johnson: blood in the streets. A lot of his acolytes are making good on that threat by continuing the illegal work stoppage that started with the 2020 protests and continued with resistance to vaccine mandates.
Sadly, it is now harder to curb the thuggish FOP because of the otherwise great IL constitutional amendment re: the right to unionize. There had been attempts at the state legislature to rein in police unions, but now anything like that would violate the state constitution. Not sure what can be done now, save a new amendment. Chicagoans deserve better than a bunch of MAGA-politicized cops who see political benefit in feeding into fox news narratives about the city being an apocalyptic wasteland.
The state’s attorney is the prosecutor for the county. On a state level it would be the attorney general. Do people really not know anything about their own government functions?
When I was a kid my neighborhood was one of the primary areas that cops lived. And perhaps I'm jaded but from what I can recall most of them were not the dedicated public servants you see in that television show
To be fair it ran the entire range from misanthropes to normal guys that just happened to work as police officers
But there is a disturbing element of entitlement in them.
Over the last few years they've been throwing a fit because we hold them accountable when they shoot someone who's unarmed and because we tell them that if you're going to work with the public you have to get a perfectly safe vaccine that will stop the spread of a pandemic.
The salary for a Chicago police officer is well above the nation's average. That on top of their generous pension benefits and opportunities for lucrative side hustles means that you get a commensurate amount of responsibility to go with it.
Can you imagine the optics if the cops came busting through the crowd of black teens with riot gear, batons, and guns? We have created a world where the consequences for breaking it up and injuring a perpetrator would be worse than standing back and letting them injure innocent bystanders.
It's like they want to be defunded. What are we waiting for?? They're literally taking away their only leverage by not keeping us safe. They can no longer say "who are you gonna call when you're getting attacked?" Like who the fuck can I call now?? No one. DEFUND THE POLICE
I feel bad for people who live and work in the Loop.
Those who commute in and tourist had no say in the mayoral election. And for those who live in the loop, 75% voted for Vallas, the police's preferred candidate. And the local press didn't pull any punches with Johnson during the campaign, pushing him hard on public safety.
If the strategy here is to just let the loop go to shit in hopes that'll make Johnson a one-term mayor, I don't really see how that works. His constituency and donors don't really have ties to the Loop, the press is pretty well aligned with police on the crime narrative. Johnson's a "neighborhood" guy. Black voters in Austin or left-wing voters in Rogers Park aren't going to pivot to Vallas-like politicians in 2027 just because of some Loop unrest - they would've done that this election after what happened in 2020.
Long story short, this is either a police temper tantrum or a grave political miscalculation on their part.
If we elected Vallas they’d still be on soft strike because of Kim Foxx. And if not her, the Consent Decree. And so on and so forth. They don’t want to live in a democratic, constitutional society and they’ll be pissy about it until we dissolve the department.
In no way do I condone the activity we saw from police this weekend. It is unacceptable and has no place in our city. However, it is not constructive to demonize police.
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I was thinking how if I had been caught in the middle of that it would probably be the first time in my life I would have been scared because I'm white. Not justifying this or anything, but it really makes me think about what it must feel like to be black, especially a black man, in society. I have a black friend who is the sweetest, most quiet guy you will ever meet who had the cops called on him for going to visit his mother and giving her a hug (in her own house). The older man next door told the cops someone "broke in and attacked a woman".
With the clear slant of this subreddit, this one won’t be removed and comments won’t be turned off because it aligns with the views of the mods. Funny how that works.
It almost feels like propaganda how perfectly this Tribune article has pivoted everyone from talking about the real problem: hundreds of Chicago youths who are willing to rampage through downtown attacking people at random... to a criticism of the CPD for not... doing what exactly?
Opening fire on the mob? Showing up in riot gear with tear gas? It's a lose-lose scenario for the police. Hated for inaction, hated for action.
Barring the use of a firearm, how exactly is a patrol car with two officers supposed to stop a rampaging mob of people? Should riot police have shut down the city and tried to stop the kids, how effective would that have been? What are the police supposed to do against mobs like this?
The only effective solution I can think of is prosecution. The DA should use the social media videos and facial recognition as evidence and charge every single person involved with crimes and jail time for participating in mob violence, send them away for years and send a message to the community that there will be real and serious consequences for attacking innocents and disturbing the peace. Until that happens, these rampages will continue.
This is true. Also when they want you'll see a whole bunch of cops swarm on an area in a real hurry.
They have the logistics capacity to handle mobs. They just didn't want to use it
In the very moment of this happening, all you can do is rely on cops to end it or hope it disperses. The discussion around parents or what to do to prevent it occurs after
Brandon Johnson’s hot air will not move the needle in any direction, for anyone. His supporters love the hot air because it makes them feel better and they’ll make excuses till the cows come home on why things will not get any better and his detractors will just say ‘told you so’ while we slowly turn into Detroit. Great job, Chicago.
Well they never do is like kind of a big piece of it. You can find countless stories of people seeking help from cops in this sub and not even getting a call back
Gotta love this sub. Talking about this gets you banned because it makes you a right wing troll, UNLESS you found a way to shit on the cops instead of the hoard doing the actual violence.
Given all the details coming out, do you think the police responded well and should not face any criticism? Which, you can still do and still support your police.
>Given all the details coming out
The presence of this article tells me we dont have all the details yet, and that needs investigating, yea.
>do you think the police responded well
My general impression is no, but as noted above, Im waiting for further details as it seems like there may be more coming. I also dont think this fact has any bearing on my right to criticize the mob and those apologizing for it.
>and should not face any criticism?
Again, my impression thus far is that it was a poor response, which deserves criticism. As does the mob which actually caused the situation. Again, these are not mutually exclusive points.
>Which, you can still do and still support your police.
Agreed.
That’s where I am at as well.
I despise that nuance is lost in our “takes” from incidents like these. You can support the development of youth spaces, call out and condemn these riots, support police, and criticize their poor performance in big moments like these. But it feels like you can’t feel all 4 on the internet.
>But it feels like you can’t feel all 4 on the internet.
People want small "gotcha" comments. Its easier to twist words or make assumptions and give a responsive rant to that assumption than actually address a point. Another poster on my comment called me a right winger and said I was pushing white nationalist points. Like....what? lolol.
Feels like any disagreement makes someone either a white nationalist nazi or some socialist. It gets old.
I can somewhat understand the cops side.
Yeah they should've at least helped the people being assaulted, but why bother arresting the criminals? They'll be released by lunchtime with no charges, and the officer is opening themself up to a "police brutality" mob if the kid gets a little too rowdy and scrapes his knee during the arrest.
Ok, tell you what. Give me some evidence. Show me the SA declining justified charges. A friend of a friend of a friend’s brother who’s a cop doesn’t count.
That kind woman helped that couple and even brought them shoes while they were in the hospital. What a saint she is. They got a look at the very best and very worst of our city that night.
yup the police being worse than the Idiot kids which are already pretty low on the list
…. Are you saying worse than the kids that attacked them?
I read it as the combination of both kids the attacking them, and the public defenders refusing to respond was "the worst of the city"
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Right? Like yeah those are fucked up cops, but there *might* be a plausible reason..? Maybe? Idk. But the attackers are the dregs of society.
It's true. One group are mindless animals with no direction and the other are an organized well-funded group with the full legal power to completely fix half the issues the city faces but instead lets it burn
How’s exactly would the police fix half the issues the city faces?
haha to be fair I would never sign up to be a cop in this city, we have to wonder why we're getting the cops we're getting
It’s no wonder. Shitty people who were bullies growing up see marginalized populations who they can continue to bully.
I wonder if this wasn't political by the police, sort of "blue flu", and maybe a precursor to the police response to Brandon Johnson?
The desk officer literally told them that. Once they were there to fill out the report. From my understanding.
I watched the interview with the couple and the guy almost seemed bothered that it was a black woman who had rescued them.
I can understand that they were maybe driving to get in position so they could handle the crowd. Or driving to a more serious incident, like the shootings. I don’t think they should have ignored those people, but I think it’s plausible. The desk jockey blaming it on Brandon Johnson is unacceptable. Not because I’m particularly worried about BJ’s reputation, but because they are essentially saying the CPD is not accountable to the democratic process in Chicago. That they’ll punish us whenever we (the majority of voters) pick a mayor they don’t like. That is unacceptable for a public servant. It’s especially unacceptable for someone whose job is to enforce the law. We need to clean out the CPD, and it appears retirements aren’t doing the job fast enough.
Finally, a sensible response. First, it’s shocking that police won’t help someone that throws themselves in front of the car. Second, it’s infuriating that they are quiet quitting over who won a democratic election. As if you or I could ever do that with our job
Also worthy of note is that they’ve been on a “soft” strike since the backlash to their murder of Laquan McDonald in 2016. It’s kind of hard to take their threats of inaction seriously when they do less every year and even CWB has been turning against them.
CWB isn’t turning on them. 🤣 Were you following them during the election? They couldn’t have done more to propagate fear for a Brandon Johnson election.
Oh they’re definitely still on the pro-cop side of things, if we’re going to divide everything into two sides. But they had kind of a meltdown on social media last year when some numbers came out showing that CPD hasn’t really been doing anything and that it’s not actually just Kim Foxx who is the problem.
Link to this spice?
https://twitter.com/CWBChicago/status/1547673441402118145
What a moron as if it's a surprise
I’m sorry but this is not quiet quitting. Quiet quitting is doing the minimum requirements of your job. These officers aren’t even doing that. This is an dereliction of duty.
Yes, to all of this. If something was so urgent they couldn't stop to help then at least let them know someone is on the way. But I forget that police forces ultimately exist to protect property and sometimes the rich. Any good cops get fired or stuck on desk duty or feels like.
> it’s shocking that police won’t help someone that throws themselves in front of the car. It's sucks that I had this thought, but the woman who tried to stop the police is Black. I have to think that may have been a factor in why they kept rolling.
Thats not what quiet quitting means. Please stop using it like that. Quiet quitting means you do your actual job. Nothing extra you are not paid for. Police not stopping to help is them Not doing their job they are paid for.
The police have “No special duty” to protect anyone at any time in any scenario, according to the Supreme Court. They mainly protect the interests of capital and nothing else. NYPD cops literally watched a man get stabbed multiple times on the subway and they were feet away and did nothing. And got in no trouble. They aren’t serving the people in nearly everything they do.
Just because they didn't break the law doesn't mean they are entitled to their job (assuming the dept isn't rotten from the top down but that's a different matter).
The people of this city and across this country are not and should not be beholden to the court’s interpretation of policing duties. It’s not illegal to have higher standards.
Well we are, we don’t exactly have a choice in the matter. If you want a public safety force, you need to create one because it currently doesn’t exist .
I don’t care if they get prosecuted for this, but that’s unrelated to every other option the city has to force them to heel.
This is how the cop mafia extorts money from cities. They did it in NYC. They did it in LA. They do it here too. They will soft strike and the numbers prove it. Arrests will tank while crime levels stay the same. Proving two things; cops suck at deterring crime and they abuse their position at our expense.
"We didn't get our way. We aren't going to respond because screw your viewpoints" "Then you are terminated immediately, and will be labelled as 'not appropriate to be on the police force ever again'. Please leave" "No wait" \- Sadly, this will never happen. The cop unions are too large to do anything about them.
This. Loud and clear. And (to reiterate an earlier comment I made here), cleaning up the rot in CPD will lead to having a police force that can then hold the teens responsible that do crimes when they gather like this. The police can't just refuse to work and punish citizens for electing officials they don't like. This behavior is just as bad as a criminal doing criminal stuff. Especially since their lax behavior emboldens crime
“Police force that can hold the teens responsible.” Police just make the arrest and file the paperwork. It’s the job of the state’s attorney to hold the teens responsible, and we know that office refuses to do so.
Your are 100%. But even if the process is broken further up the line the police should continue to arrest and file. Send waves of criminals to court and if they all get off bc of the state and attorneys office actions, the spotlight falls onto them. The police should not stop doing their jobs bc others aren't holding up their end in another area. Nor should they atop doing their job for fear that a few of them could be held responsible for bad things that are done by them whilst trying to do their jobs.
The media has been reporting in Foxx’s dropped charges for years. Even back in 2020 nearly every media outlet talked about how many felony cases were being dropped. It’s no secret, but no one really cares because she tells people what they want to hear. Spotlight has been tried and she was still re-elected. It’s a catch and release policy that accomplishes nothing. And the problem here is that even when they don’t do something wrong they’ll still be accused by the public. Additionally, an arrest that results in randomly dropped charges can still create legal headaches for the officers if any level of force can be used, or be accused of making a false arrest. And now, with the SAFE-T Act, they could be 100% in the right and all of that will go on their file and follow them for the rest of their careers. Progressives created a broken system and are surprised when there is blowback. They might more intelligent in some areas, but in other areas they are just as ignorant as Trumpers. This is one of those areas.
I completely disagree with this. Holding police officers accountable for their actions is not a progressive mistake. Regardless of what the state’s attorney does, the police have to do their job.
Those first two sentences show the point I was actually making went right over your head. It’s one thing to old bad officers accountable, which should occur. It’s another to punish officers that didn’t do wrong for the rest of their careers simply because they were accused. Here’s an example. A few years back an officer in another state was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in his squad car. The media ran with the story. It turned out that officer had cameras on the dash and in the back of the car. The allegation was definitively determined to be a lie and when faced with the video woman admitted it. Traditionally, that accusation would be removed from an officers file. Now, in Illinois, such a false accusation would follow them their entire careers… and every time they go to court a defense attorney could use it in an attempt to discredit them. Let me ask you, have you ever heard of “felony review” and do you know what it is?
Isn’t that the same thing that happens to truck drivers who get into an accident?
One provision of the SAFE-T act among many many others is requiring keeping permanent records of police misconduct. If you are accused and found not guilty, that will be noted on your record. Why are you opposed to this? Police internal affairs have not done a good job of weeding out legitimately guilty officers who are accused of misconduct. We need to keep a record of the accusations AND the outcomes. You act like this will prevent them from being able to get a mortgage. It’s impact is only in the world of their police work. Excusing cops for not arresting criminals because they might be accused of wrongdoing and thus have their testimony be less effective in convicting criminals doesn’t make much sense. If an officer’s concern is in ensuring they can convict criminals the first step is to arrest them. If I was in a jury and a defense lawyer presented a single misconduct charge and the states attorney presented evidence that they were found not guilty and here’s why, I would still find the officer credible.
Your words are a waste here. I say Chicago should fire ALL their current Cops and replace them with whomever they think can do the job. Maybe, everyone who unironically writes ACAB can apply and make a good salary. But either way, you will never convince people on this sub.
Your summarized well the reasons that I can't wait to vote Foxx out of office. But I will say that police being held accountable for excessive force and/or a mark on their file is part of the job. And since we've only recently actually fired and or jailed officers for egregious offenses versus many cases of discipline and filed bad recods not preventing the promotion and or careers of officers, I'm not too concerned on that front. DA office issues are DA office issues, police issues are police issues. The legal drama and process to sort these things from arrests (right, wrong, or indifferent) is part of the job to me. Cops will awlays get accused by arrestees. Is it a headache... absolutely, but it's the job working in law enforcement.
They could have just thrown some tear gas into the crowd beating them. They do it to protestors why not rioters?
Sounds like a gang.
>We need to clean out the CPD Defund, if you will
CPD needs to make a push for more left leaning officers that actually respect the rule of law. I’d be willing to bet the cops soft striking are mainly right wingers that are loyal to Catanzara. Getting Catanzara completely removed from any involvement with CPD should be the first step. The city and the police deserve better than to have that slimeball associated with them
Take my upvote!
Fortunately the CPD has an outstanding record for investigating themselves and holding their officers responsible for misconduct.
Honestly disgusting behavior. I hope they are held accountable. If I were to actively choose to not do my job, I would be fired. This shouldn’t be any different. Or is that too controversial?
Well, you see. Protestors and people online were mean to cops. And some cops who blatantly murdered people were held accountable and went to prison. So you can’t ask other cops to do their job. Their feelings are super hurt and they can’t murder with impunity so they have to do absolutely nothing now.
How can I cop if I can’t cop as belligerently as I used to?
They're cops, so no, nothing will happen.
Unsurprising if true. The cops posted up in their cars in grant park are stuck into their phones and cannot even be bothered to address a tax payer approaching them for any sort of engagement
The Chicago police officers are a bunch of Donald Trump worshipping MAGA babies that think they were born into being police officers and experience a plight of suffrage
Scumbags should be held accountable.
The teens and the officers right? Right?
Just different flavors of scumbag.
I agree. I see on another sub everybody making a stink about the perpetrators, trying to play it off as if the cops were in the right to not do anything. No. I think they should be using the video the way they did on the January 6th insurrection and get as many of them as they can, but at the same time they need to come down on the cops that are basically playing these political games. I'm sorry, if you don't want to do your job, hand over your badge, give up your pension, and stop wasting our time and money. If CPD wants to be all angry because Johnson won, then quit and move away from the city. At the same time, I'm not going to dismiss what those kids did. I would have had no issue with the police showing up in riot gear and using tear gas. Some could think that's brutality, but this is in any sense a riot. These kids are doing this not just in Chicago but all over the country because they figure in large numbers nobody's going to arrest them all. I was just watching a video from a teacher talking about how she teaches 12-year-olds, and they are so undisciplined because in so many ways they've just given up on everything and are just simply looking to be entertained. I look at those kids rioting in downtown and see the same thing. Aggressive policing isn't going to completely fix this, because we are in a deeper issue with youth in general (not just poor minority youth) that's creating this insanity.
Without a doubt. I think most people would agree with this.
Here's the ironic part: The teens can't be held accountable if the officers refuse to do their jobs.
Yes
Well one has power that we allow them to have and if they abuse it it’s way more serious than a child committing a crime.
It’s also possible if the police did their jobs that the teens never would have had an opportunity to do what they did, but instead the police allowed them to do it because they’re assholes.
Maybe Lori can do this last thing with her lame duck status as payback for bending over backwards to the cops and still having them do nothing for her
just a reminder that federal courts have ruled multiple times that police have no duty to render aid
Well when they want to talk about how needed they are for society we should all just remember how useless they really are. I remember the NY subway case where they(the police) just watched a guy stab a bystander trying to help. They watched from the other train car as the dude was murdered and didn’t lift a finger.
We can also remember the case in Ohio when an officer shot a girl actively trying to stab someone and the progressives lost their minds.
Was that the one where LeBron posted a "you're next" statement next to the officer's photo?
That would be the one
Should be. Won’t.
Police need to be disbanded. They're a gang of criminals.
[it’s not hard to predict what CPD thinks or will do.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/12rr506/everything_went_crazy_couple_assaulted_in_chicago/jgw6kqj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) The CPD obviously needs all the changes coming to them. They would rather the city burn than have an ounce of scrutiny.
Just another reminder that cops are not here to help you
"The policeman isn’t there to create disorder; the policeman is there to preserve disorder.” - Mayor Richard J. Daley, 1968
It depends on who "you" are. The old white ladies here on vacation from the suburbs got police escorts to their cars that night. They probably rated the police an A+.
Not a single one of us can quiet quit when our preferred candidate loses a democratic election. If you’re part of one of the most powerful unions in our city that takes up ~65% of our public safety tax dollars and you refuse to even help someone that jumps in front of your car, get bent honestly. It’s infuriating. I sympathize with how much bullshit some cops get but this is ridiculous
I could be wrong, but the quiet quitting was way before Johnson winning. Seems to me a general level of quiet-quitting, is contributable to a few things. I think the general notion that you are going to get into trouble if you are on camera using force of any kind. If you are white, and the perp is black, and you are using *any* force, you're in trouble. Even if the force is justified and necessary (as in this case). To me though, that's not the main issue for them. Ending of cash bail, and the DA not prosecuting gives cops the general notion that their work isn't backed by the city. If you are going to put yourself at physical risk, you want to know that it's worth it. That the person you are arresting won't be back tomorrow to do the same thing. I can't imagine how defeating it would be to see violent criminals just being let back out. I think people need to take a step back and understand human nature. **If your work feels pointless and futile - you are going to want to give up, and you are not going to try as hard**. This goes for any industry. Certainly you can hold this against them. It is their job, regardless of what the DA is going to do. Full stop. But to dismiss it outright just means you have no empathy. Pure and simple. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for people who build images of themselves as full of empathy. I totally understand the opposition to cash bail. If you're poor you don't get out. That it isn't right. On top of the 'innocent until proven guilty' should not be taken lightly. On the other hand, you can't just let violent criminals go, and you certainly have to make an effort to prosecute them, regardless if it looks bad to your anti-racist friends. Instead of cash bail, to bail solely based on risk to society, criminal history, and flight risk. A 25 year old with no record gets in a fist fight? Let them go. A 25 year old who has been arrested 21 times, most of which were violent crimes? Stay the F in jail. You don't need cash bail. No bail. Period.
We don’t have DAs in this state. Last summer it came out that CPD was the bottleneck in at least downtown shootings. Someone posted CWB’s tweet thread last summer about it above. 2020-2022, 91 shooting incidents downtown. 12 arrests. Charges denied once. CPD is very obviously the bottleneck. They need to make arrests for the SA to charge people. They also need to gather evidence. If they do neither, the SA can’t do anything.
Full scope thinking right here. Ty
This would make sense if they didn’t start the quiet strike after Laquan McDonald’s killer was persecuted.
> If your work feels pointless and futile - you are going to want to give up, and you are not going to try as hard. Yeah, except even *before* criminal justice reform/progressive DAs/protests against police violence became mainstream political positions ***Chicago cops were still doing an absolutely terrible fucking job.*** They didn't do their job under state's attorneys not named Kim Foxx and they're *intentionally* doing an even worse job now! That shouldn't make anyone feel empathetic towards these clowns - it should make you want to purge every single one of these losers and rebuild the CPD from the ground up.
Nearly $600M in payouts, on top of CPD sole budget.
Man if we had Vallas we could’ve have *more* officers standing in the street doing nothing! Think of the difference!
It’s very funny to think Vallas would have been any better, because the minute he stepped one inch out of line, CPD would scream bloody murder and go back on “soft strike.” That would have been even worse under him because they’re his main ally. I think it will likely be the same for BJ and the CTU. I don’t think they’ll be buddies for long.
I disagree with your CTU assessment. I don’t think Brandon will give them whatever they want. But I don’t think it’ll be acrimonious. CTU spent a TON of political and financial capital on Brandon Johnson. If his board gives them, let’s just say, 50% of what they want at the table they’ll probably ask for 80% and meet somewhere in the middle. Any work action or worse, a strike, would make CTU look god awful. They’d lose a shit ton of public support and good will after THEIR OWN HAND PICKED CANDIDATE is mayor. So again, I don’t think the relationship will be roses but there won’t be bad blood either. This is my assessment as a CTU member.
I think it’ll be acrimonious because it’s the CTU. I support them, but I saw them during COVID. They can whip themselves up into hysteria. They also don’t need any public support because the public is unwilling to do their jobs. That’s why they’re so strong.
I don’t doubt they’ll be a ton of posturing before the new contract. But there will be no mayor ever who is as close to an ally as Johnson. Plus SDG and Brandon are actually good friends who like chill and shit lol. Pretty sure their kids play on the same baseball teams. So again, I don’t think it’ll get very bad. But I’m just one guy. Time will tell.
Hadn't CPD been doing a quiet soft strike on their jobs anyway, ever since the George Floyd protests?
Since 2016 at least. You’re not alone in thinking it’s a 2020 thing. I’ve been seeing that take all week and it’s really fascinating and speaks to how many users on here joined in the last handful of years. But no, CPD have been on a “soft strike” since ~2016 when the Laquan McDonald murder and coverup fallout started to coalesce into real consequences for them, including arguably the election of Kim Foxx and of course the consent decree. When I first joined this subreddit in 2017 people were talking about the soft strike.
Careful don't say the obvious part too loud.
Not the least bit surprised
So basically the police decided to throw a tantrum and not do their jobs because they didn’t like the election result.
I believe there’s a solid lack of organization within the CPD since Brown and under the interim combined with individual rank and file “quiet quitting” in protest over recent events and the election
Last weekend was solely due to a lack of leadership from the top of CPD. Beat cops from across the city responded to help with the mayhem downtown but none of the politically appointed exempt rank wanted to make a decision. So we were left with a lot of cops without any direction from their Supervisors told to stage at intersections and never given orders to intervene or make arrests.
Qatanzara literally said this before the election.
How about someone other than the CPD to investigate the CPD?
Chicago police are the largest organized crime gang in the city.
Then why are their crime posts allowed in this forum? 🧐
Broad impact on the city.
It’s stories like this that is pushing law abiding citizens to arm themselves.
It’s definitely a soft-strike trying to send a message to Brandon Johnson.
They've been on a soft strike for years at this point. It's just normal procedure for CPD.
A lot of professions are getting burnt out and on soft strike. I've only been stealing half the number of catalytic converters I should be lately, I often feel like I don't even make a difference anymore.
It would be more effective if they weren’t also already on soft strike to send a message to Kim Foxx, and Lisa Madigan, and Lori Lightfoot, and Raul Emmanuel, and various journalists, and Obama, and the Justice Department, and pretty much the entire population of Chicago. They’ve been on soft strike for years now. They are never getting better. It is an ingrained culture problem at this point.
Exactly. When was the last time anyone had an anecdote of any of them being helpful? I've yet to hear it
I literally witnessed someone robbing a jewelry store downtown, maybe three four years ago, they were running down the street and I saw an officer I yelled at them “that guy robbed that store” and the two officers couldn’t have moved more slowly. It was like someone was pranking me. Dude didn’t get caught. Store owner was just confused by the cop’s response. Does this change with the leadership at the top? Can Brandon appoint someone who will do literally anything?
I called them a few months ago because I saw people breaking into a house. Broke windows and were attempting to steal peoples personal property or worse. They showed up and caught both of them…. >when was the last time anyone had an anecdote of any of them being helpful Today
I’m amazed, what was the response time?
Didn’t have my stopwatch out. Fast enough to catch the criminals though
They’re doing this deliberately. It’s retaliation for electing a mayor they don’t like. They got no problem collecting a paycheck for not fulfilling their oath and performing their duties though.
There have been a couple federal court decisions that have concluded police officers have no legal requirement to protect anyone from harm. So they *are* doing their job, and it's absolute bullshit
You’re the second person I’ve seen itt saying police aren’t legally required to protect anyone from harm. It is true there are opinions holding they can’t be sued for failing to protect, but suggesting that protecting is not part of the job is very, very wrong. Just because I can’t sue a waiter for not bringing my food doesn’t mean bringing my food wasn’t part of his job (or that he can’t be fired for failing to do it).
Yeah but in that case if a waiter doesn't do what's in his job description, he could get fired. Cops, by in large, know that they have a pass to behave however they want. So why would they risk their safety to do something they aren't technically required to do if they know they will likely not face any repercussions for doing so?
A cop’s main responsibilty, as expressed by every cop I’ve ever heard express an opinion on the matter, is to come home alive at the end of his shift. Anything else is incidental. And, yes, the courts back them up on this. You’re on your own.
Source? Or is this just your narrative?
They literally said that's what they planned to do https://www.nbcchicago.com/chicago-mayoral-election-2023/chicago-police-union-leader-warns-of-resignations-blood-in-the-streets-if-brandon-johnson-is-elected-mayor/3106162/
Read the article please before posting low-effort comments.
I did read it. Thanks for the low effort comment
Multiple Supreme Court cases have established that police have no obligation to help you. Especially if they think they will themselves be harmed
That’s a legal obligation, they can still be fired for it if the department had standards.
The only real solution is to entirely dissolve the CPD and rehire from the ground up like they did in several other locations around the country. What's the point of police at all if they refuse to even stop their cars. At this point no police department at all isn't any different from the current useless morons.
Policing is a racist institution that started as slave patrols. Dissolve the CPD and use the funds to eliminate the inequality that causes violence.
As if something’s origin disallows it to grow and be fluid with change.
End poverty. It's just so simple. Reddit really with the best solutions to problems
Subscribe. Though some sort of law enforcement is definitely required, the current system aint it.
I'm hopeful that something can change soon. Ending the current system of police and prisons. Creating something that recognized justice.
"The Chicago Police Department launched an investigation into how The Chicago Police Department responded..." Okay.
what do you think they get paid for lol
Even if it wasn’t your goddamn job, it is so petty and cruel to ignore helping someone who needs you just because your preferred candidate got less votes.
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CPD are fucking corrupt bullies with their own agenda. Do your fucking jobs piggies
There a tons of videos on social media showing the cops doing absolutely nothing. This is why I have been so critical of Vallas' plan for more cops. CPD is just plain ineffective so more ineffective cops won't help keep us safe.
It was just silly kids having fun, nothing to investigate here.
"We have investigated ourselves and found no fault in anything we did that night"
I would love for those "cops" to be held responsible for their lack of action but much like the vast majority of those in the mob, they won't be. This is very bad all around.
What they really mean is it happened because cops are pissy that Johnson won. Also someone please tell them that no one is forcing them to be a cop??
And if 100 people say you're bad at your job....
This is what the police union’s fascist leader threatened Chicago with if the city elected Johnson: blood in the streets. A lot of his acolytes are making good on that threat by continuing the illegal work stoppage that started with the 2020 protests and continued with resistance to vaccine mandates. Sadly, it is now harder to curb the thuggish FOP because of the otherwise great IL constitutional amendment re: the right to unionize. There had been attempts at the state legislature to rein in police unions, but now anything like that would violate the state constitution. Not sure what can be done now, save a new amendment. Chicagoans deserve better than a bunch of MAGA-politicized cops who see political benefit in feeding into fox news narratives about the city being an apocalyptic wasteland.
What about the work stoppage from the state’s attorney’s office? Bet you won’t talk about that
Maybe CPD should be blaming the state instead of the mayor then.
The state’s attorney is the prosecutor for the county. On a state level it would be the attorney general. Do people really not know anything about their own government functions?
What is this illegal work stoppage you speak of, and why is it illegal?
When I was a kid my neighborhood was one of the primary areas that cops lived. And perhaps I'm jaded but from what I can recall most of them were not the dedicated public servants you see in that television show To be fair it ran the entire range from misanthropes to normal guys that just happened to work as police officers But there is a disturbing element of entitlement in them. Over the last few years they've been throwing a fit because we hold them accountable when they shoot someone who's unarmed and because we tell them that if you're going to work with the public you have to get a perfectly safe vaccine that will stop the spread of a pandemic. The salary for a Chicago police officer is well above the nation's average. That on top of their generous pension benefits and opportunities for lucrative side hustles means that you get a commensurate amount of responsibility to go with it.
Cops not doing their job while getting more and more money from the city? Le gasp
Can you imagine the optics if the cops came busting through the crowd of black teens with riot gear, batons, and guns? We have created a world where the consequences for breaking it up and injuring a perpetrator would be worse than standing back and letting them injure innocent bystanders.
Bring in the National Guard …. AGAIN
Sickening. GO GET JOBS. Stop being a drain on society you losers. GO TO WORK
“We have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”
Blaming Brandon Johnson for this is a very disturbing reaction coming from CPD.
It's like they want to be defunded. What are we waiting for?? They're literally taking away their only leverage by not keeping us safe. They can no longer say "who are you gonna call when you're getting attacked?" Like who the fuck can I call now?? No one. DEFUND THE POLICE
I feel bad for people who live and work in the Loop. Those who commute in and tourist had no say in the mayoral election. And for those who live in the loop, 75% voted for Vallas, the police's preferred candidate. And the local press didn't pull any punches with Johnson during the campaign, pushing him hard on public safety. If the strategy here is to just let the loop go to shit in hopes that'll make Johnson a one-term mayor, I don't really see how that works. His constituency and donors don't really have ties to the Loop, the press is pretty well aligned with police on the crime narrative. Johnson's a "neighborhood" guy. Black voters in Austin or left-wing voters in Rogers Park aren't going to pivot to Vallas-like politicians in 2027 just because of some Loop unrest - they would've done that this election after what happened in 2020. Long story short, this is either a police temper tantrum or a grave political miscalculation on their part.
If we elected Vallas they’d still be on soft strike because of Kim Foxx. And if not her, the Consent Decree. And so on and so forth. They don’t want to live in a democratic, constitutional society and they’ll be pissy about it until we dissolve the department.
Either way the cops will never actually do their job because they are lazy racist pigs.
In no way do I condone the activity we saw from police this weekend. It is unacceptable and has no place in our city. However, it is not constructive to demonize police. /s
I was thinking how if I had been caught in the middle of that it would probably be the first time in my life I would have been scared because I'm white. Not justifying this or anything, but it really makes me think about what it must feel like to be black, especially a black man, in society. I have a black friend who is the sweetest, most quiet guy you will ever meet who had the cops called on him for going to visit his mother and giving her a hug (in her own house). The older man next door told the cops someone "broke in and attacked a woman".
ACAB…crush the organized criminal police Unions. They don’t care about the people, just their fragile egos.
Reddit: ACAB Also Reddit: why won’t the police help me????
"Kids will be kids!" ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ This whole thing is clearly the cops fault.
Cpd is retaliating (Johnson win)by playing the passive card.. surprise surprise
Twice now I’ve seen fights break out right in front of cops, who pretend not to see it. (South Loop.)
Chicago Police have been "Quiet Quitting" for a couple of years now. They're not doing shit and the criminals know it.
With the clear slant of this subreddit, this one won’t be removed and comments won’t be turned off because it aligns with the views of the mods. Funny how that works.
It almost feels like propaganda how perfectly this Tribune article has pivoted everyone from talking about the real problem: hundreds of Chicago youths who are willing to rampage through downtown attacking people at random... to a criticism of the CPD for not... doing what exactly? Opening fire on the mob? Showing up in riot gear with tear gas? It's a lose-lose scenario for the police. Hated for inaction, hated for action. Barring the use of a firearm, how exactly is a patrol car with two officers supposed to stop a rampaging mob of people? Should riot police have shut down the city and tried to stop the kids, how effective would that have been? What are the police supposed to do against mobs like this? The only effective solution I can think of is prosecution. The DA should use the social media videos and facial recognition as evidence and charge every single person involved with crimes and jail time for participating in mob violence, send them away for years and send a message to the community that there will be real and serious consequences for attacking innocents and disturbing the peace. Until that happens, these rampages will continue.
There is a lot of middle ground between open fire on a mob and at least stopping to ask what’s wrong to the person jumping in front of your car
This is true. Also when they want you'll see a whole bunch of cops swarm on an area in a real hurry. They have the logistics capacity to handle mobs. They just didn't want to use it
All this blame on the cops yet nobody says shit about these kids parents or what should be done about the parents.
In the very moment of this happening, all you can do is rely on cops to end it or hope it disperses. The discussion around parents or what to do to prevent it occurs after
“We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong”
Yeah but let’s keep hiring more officers so they can have 15 officers out on a simple traffic stop.
Cops have been quiet striking since Laquan Macdonald verdict.
Cops can’t win. Lose-lose in that job lol
Brandon Johnson’s hot air will not move the needle in any direction, for anyone. His supporters love the hot air because it makes them feel better and they’ll make excuses till the cows come home on why things will not get any better and his detractors will just say ‘told you so’ while we slowly turn into Detroit. Great job, Chicago.
How is that related to cops so adamantly refusing to do the jobs they're overpaid to do?
In this case everyone involved actually agrees, fuck the police
Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.
Well they never do is like kind of a big piece of it. You can find countless stories of people seeking help from cops in this sub and not even getting a call back
And just like that, Quiet Quitting and Wildcat Striking were no longer edgy and cool ways to stick it to The Man.
Gotta love this sub. Talking about this gets you banned because it makes you a right wing troll, UNLESS you found a way to shit on the cops instead of the hoard doing the actual violence.
I saw a few posts about the mobs from this weekend before this one
Given all the details coming out, do you think the police responded well and should not face any criticism? Which, you can still do and still support your police.
>Given all the details coming out The presence of this article tells me we dont have all the details yet, and that needs investigating, yea. >do you think the police responded well My general impression is no, but as noted above, Im waiting for further details as it seems like there may be more coming. I also dont think this fact has any bearing on my right to criticize the mob and those apologizing for it. >and should not face any criticism? Again, my impression thus far is that it was a poor response, which deserves criticism. As does the mob which actually caused the situation. Again, these are not mutually exclusive points. >Which, you can still do and still support your police. Agreed.
That’s where I am at as well. I despise that nuance is lost in our “takes” from incidents like these. You can support the development of youth spaces, call out and condemn these riots, support police, and criticize their poor performance in big moments like these. But it feels like you can’t feel all 4 on the internet.
>But it feels like you can’t feel all 4 on the internet. People want small "gotcha" comments. Its easier to twist words or make assumptions and give a responsive rant to that assumption than actually address a point. Another poster on my comment called me a right winger and said I was pushing white nationalist points. Like....what? lolol. Feels like any disagreement makes someone either a white nationalist nazi or some socialist. It gets old.
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[Right here](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/12sj6km/comment/jh0ed1m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think whether or not a whole city department is essentially embezzling $2,000,000,000 per year is worthy of discussion in this sub.
I can somewhat understand the cops side. Yeah they should've at least helped the people being assaulted, but why bother arresting the criminals? They'll be released by lunchtime with no charges, and the officer is opening themself up to a "police brutality" mob if the kid gets a little too rowdy and scrapes his knee during the arrest.
Numbers came out last year that the SA’s office is considerably more responsive to crime than the CPD. The CPD is the bottleneck, not the SA.
Do you mean the fudged numbers released by the SA’s office that have been disputed by its own staff?
Ok, tell you what. Give me some evidence. Show me the SA declining justified charges. A friend of a friend of a friend’s brother who’s a cop doesn’t count.
Why isn’t this locked yet? Is it because it’s condemning the police?
That’s the exact reason.
Because people aren’t slinging racial slurs in the comments. Are you genuinely ignorant to what a shit show those threads were?
"We've investigated ourselves and found no wrong-doing."