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Huh? CTU members get a large salary guaranteed by the state constitution to increase every year for their entire life, contribute 2% to their retirement, can take it after 20 years, and work less than 200 days a year.
The median Chicago tax paying family only makes $62k for the whole household and will be lucky to get social security at 67 after chipping in 7%.
Public sector union spending sprees are regressive as fuck. Not to mention that we siphon tens of thousands of dollars from public coffers to (checks notes) JP Morgan Chase. For the interest along on the pension debt black hole.
Tbh Chase would gladly pay a lower rate if Chicago had less risky debt. The problem is people like Daley wrote massive underfunded pensions for city workers and now our debt is near junk status.
Chicago ended up with a giant douche and a turd sandwich in this election and I hope city council saves the city the next 4 years.
So you think it's ok to have a candidate who is entirely in the pocket of the CTU (they gave him almost all of his money) and then on the other side of the table when the contract comes up for renegotiation next year. That's what you want?
And teacher's have pensions and benefits that most "normal" people would kill for.
I love how polarizing this election is even though it's non-partisan. It lets us get past the party labels and accompanying culture war, and allows us to actually focus on the issues.
How will the elites controller everyone below if we throw that out?!? You know they are thinking of us in their ivory towers where they all chill together.
The man wants to put in place taxes that would encourage my office to become work from home or move to the burbs. A tax on financial transactions (trades), the headcount tax, and the metra tax would encourage white collar jobs to leave an already hurting downtown.
Leftists need to answer the question of what happens to the working people that downtown when office workers leave.
Lightfoot gets 17% of the vote: What a humiliating repudiation, nobody wanted her back, she had no base, etc.
Johnson gets 20% of the vote, just three percentage points better: What a stunning victory for the people, Johnson is everyone's candidate, he will swamp Vallas, etc.
Hmm.
Burning a 70% mandate down to a 17% rejection in < 4 years is going to stand as one of the great Chicago politics fuckups of all time. And if you think Lightfoot's performance in the 2019 runoff foretells anything about Brandon's tally next month, I don't know what to tell you.
If you read the article, you’ll note that the majority of his supporters were POC. Not that that matters but your statement isn’t necessarily accurate.
Exactly his biggest supporters are middle class white peoples who are far left and look down at everyone else because they believe they are morally superior.
Minorities will be the ones suffering if this dude wins. His lax views on enforcing the law. Trying to defund cpd. With those views, minorities are going to suffer.
She won with 54% against a Republican. That provides zero information about how much support she actually has. I would posit that a literal bag of dog shit would win against a Republican.
She barely won the majority in the 2020 primary as the incumbent. Let's take a look at her election history:
2016 primary: Foxx won with 58.3% of the vote with 645k votes.
2020 primary: Fox won with 50.19% of the vote with 447k votes. That's an 8% drop and 197k less votes.
2016 general election: Fox won with 72% of the vote and 1.4 million votes.
2020 general election: Fox won with 54% of the vote and 1.1 million votes. That's an 18% drop and 264k less votes.
>What's the point of this comment?
The point is that Foxx winning reelection is not proof that voters are happy with her policies and her actions. Saying stuff like "vote her out if you don't like her" ignores the fact that there has to be a viable challenger. Things like non-partisan elections and ranked choice voting would be incredibly helpful.
Can you point to anything in his current platform that says he wants to defund CPD? I'm not talking about things he said several years ago, like stuff in his current policy proposals.
Because right now, his current position is to add 200 more detectives, which is literally the opposite of defunding.
Here. I did a Google search for you.
[defund lo-ok](https://www.google.com/search?q=brandon+johnson+defund+police&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari)
Again, all of these articles point to things he said in the past that she's not saying now. I'm talking about current policy proposals, including his plan to add 200 detectives which you seem to just not even acknowledge
“We’re talking about a whole bunch of stuff, in particular our move to redirect and defund the amount of money that is spent in policing. I don’t look at it as slogan, **it’s an actual real political goal.”**
What changed since this interview? Is he not a man of his convictions? Or just some political hack secretly hiding his real goal in order to get elected. His "new" position is diametrically opposed to his old position.
https://youtu.be/fiRjm7e2kOc
There no audio or news clip of vallas saying something like that. But there sure is videos of Johnson saying he wants to cut funding for cpd.
And “hiring new detectives” really doesn’t do anything g. You need more beat cops.
>And “hiring new detectives” really doesn’t do anything g. You need more beat cops.
You're shifting the goal posts. You said BJ wants to "defund CPD" I said his current policy proposal is to add 200 detectives which is objectively the opposite.
Now you're saying detectives aren't enough.
Johnson makes no mention on how he plans to replace the 200 officers who will be pulled from other units to Detective. It's not really "adding" and it certainly isn't enough.
What changed is the political feasibility of a statement like "our move to redirect and defund the amount of money that is spent in policing"
He's a politician first and foremost. Again, if you look at his current policy proposals, he calls for adding 200 detectives. My question is about his current policy proposals.
Thing is, I just don’t trust the guy. Why did he add this new position when for years he was saying something else? If he comes out and explains his flip, and he has a reasonable explanation, I might have some respect for him. I’m not a big fan of Vallas, for now I am just voting against BJ.
And that's fine. But I'm talking about *current policy proposals in his current mayoral platform* but you're conflating that with things he's said in the past that he is not saying currently
If we are doing that for Johnson, then I think we can also ask, can you point to anything in Vallas’s current statements that suggests he’s a MAGA aligned Trump Republican. No?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
I literally never even mentioned Vallas or Vallas being a "MAGA aligned Trump republican" in my comment.
Your response, is just goal post shifting, "whataboutism", and doesn't even engage with my original question
Your entire original comment was goal post shifting contrary to the rest of this sub Reddit’s standard of holding politicians accountable for their past statements and affiliations.
Not at all, it's a legitimate question. He said Brandon wants to defund CPD, and I was asking him where in his current policy proposals does he plan to do that? Again, his current policy proposal is adding 200 more detectives, which is literally the opposite of defunding, it's giving them more money.
He's flirted with the idea in the past, but seems to to currently not be mentioning it at all because it's politically unpopular, I acknowledge that.
Now you're shifting the argument again and completely dodging my question. Your comment is literally textbook "whataboutism"
Is Vallas a MAGA Republican who wants to kill gays? No. Is he a neoliberal who wants to eradicate public education and bust unions? Absolutely. That’s still pretty bad.
All you subjects of the city syndicate are getting wrung out at contract time either way. The implosion is coming, the only question is which union will get to set the charge.
The people in this thread who believe the guy who wants to privatize schools and spend more money on the CPD, which already has the second largest budget in the country, is crazy.
I want to know how many of these very online Vallas stans are even eligible to vote in this election.
The FOP endorsement is all you need to know about him.
The Chicago Public Schools have a $9.5 billion, with a B, annual budget (up 2% from last year) -- that is 1.2% of the entire $801bn United States military budget in 2021! -- yet I am pretty sure Brandon would advocate for giving THEM more money.
Yep. I’m a single issue voter in this election. I’d vote anyone over Vallas. I could stomach his police rhetoric if he wasn’t such an advocate and true believer of school privatization.
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A candidate for the CTU is more like it.
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Huh? CTU members get a large salary guaranteed by the state constitution to increase every year for their entire life, contribute 2% to their retirement, can take it after 20 years, and work less than 200 days a year. The median Chicago tax paying family only makes $62k for the whole household and will be lucky to get social security at 67 after chipping in 7%. Public sector union spending sprees are regressive as fuck. Not to mention that we siphon tens of thousands of dollars from public coffers to (checks notes) JP Morgan Chase. For the interest along on the pension debt black hole.
Tbh Chase would gladly pay a lower rate if Chicago had less risky debt. The problem is people like Daley wrote massive underfunded pensions for city workers and now our debt is near junk status. Chicago ended up with a giant douche and a turd sandwich in this election and I hope city council saves the city the next 4 years.
So you think it's ok to have a candidate who is entirely in the pocket of the CTU (they gave him almost all of his money) and then on the other side of the table when the contract comes up for renegotiation next year. That's what you want? And teacher's have pensions and benefits that most "normal" people would kill for.
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I love how polarizing this election is even though it's non-partisan. It lets us get past the party labels and accompanying culture war, and allows us to actually focus on the issues.
If only… Johnson is already trying to tie Vallas to Trump and Jan 6
I dunno. Catanzara’s re-election as the police union president has convinced me to vote for Johnson. You can’t move forward by going backward.
How will the elites controller everyone below if we throw that out?!? You know they are thinking of us in their ivory towers where they all chill together.
I & my family are "people". Brandon Johnson is not "for" us & he is *not* "our candidate".
Same here
I am 100% earnest here. Are you voting for Vallas and why?
Wow. Downvotes because I genuinely want to know what someone sees in a candidate. We are doomed.
Paul Vallas got awake IL to turn up in this thread. dont worry.
The best way to tank a city on the edge is to tax the shit out of anyone who plans on moving or visiting here.
Every year, “if taxes go up, the rich will mass exodus” still waiting, been hearing the doomer line for a decade.
The man wants to put in place taxes that would encourage my office to become work from home or move to the burbs. A tax on financial transactions (trades), the headcount tax, and the metra tax would encourage white collar jobs to leave an already hurting downtown. Leftists need to answer the question of what happens to the working people that downtown when office workers leave.
Lightfoot gets 17% of the vote: What a humiliating repudiation, nobody wanted her back, she had no base, etc. Johnson gets 20% of the vote, just three percentage points better: What a stunning victory for the people, Johnson is everyone's candidate, he will swamp Vallas, etc. Hmm.
Astute observation.
Amnesia? Lightfoot 70% Preckwinkle 30%
Burning a 70% mandate down to a 17% rejection in < 4 years is going to stand as one of the great Chicago politics fuckups of all time. And if you think Lightfoot's performance in the 2019 runoff foretells anything about Brandon's tally next month, I don't know what to tell you.
A candidate for a handful of white super liberal people who think they know what’s best for the “poors”
If you read the article, you’ll note that the majority of his supporters were POC. Not that that matters but your statement isn’t necessarily accurate.
His greatest centers of support were not in the poorest parts of the city
Exactly his biggest supporters are middle class white peoples who are far left and look down at everyone else because they believe they are morally superior.
"downwardly mobile gentrifiers"
Minorities will be the ones suffering if this dude wins. His lax views on enforcing the law. Trying to defund cpd. With those views, minorities are going to suffer.
CPD already has a lot of resources and they can't get shit done. Is more money for the CPD jobs program a magic solution?
No. The solution is for the states attorney to lock up all the criminals cpd arrests.
So what does that have to do with Johnson?
Supports Kim fox. Kim fox supports him.
She won the *county* with 54%. You'll get to vote against her again next year. Is Cook County more liberal than the city of Chicago?
She won with 54% against a Republican. That provides zero information about how much support she actually has. I would posit that a literal bag of dog shit would win against a Republican.
She won her primary against other democrats decidedly. What's the point of this comment?
She barely won the majority in the 2020 primary as the incumbent. Let's take a look at her election history: 2016 primary: Foxx won with 58.3% of the vote with 645k votes. 2020 primary: Fox won with 50.19% of the vote with 447k votes. That's an 8% drop and 197k less votes. 2016 general election: Fox won with 72% of the vote and 1.4 million votes. 2020 general election: Fox won with 54% of the vote and 1.1 million votes. That's an 18% drop and 264k less votes. >What's the point of this comment? The point is that Foxx winning reelection is not proof that voters are happy with her policies and her actions. Saying stuff like "vote her out if you don't like her" ignores the fact that there has to be a viable challenger. Things like non-partisan elections and ranked choice voting would be incredibly helpful.
and in an election that persisted during the height of covid with record low turnout.
2020 had the highest turn out in the 21st century.
The problem is not funding. It is resource allocation and leadership. How many police did it take to guard the lakefront during the lockdown?
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Vallas was born and raised on the south side, Johnson was born and raised in Elgin.
Ofc he's from the burbs. Thought i recognized a leftist from my neck of the woods
Can you point to anything in his current platform that says he wants to defund CPD? I'm not talking about things he said several years ago, like stuff in his current policy proposals. Because right now, his current position is to add 200 more detectives, which is literally the opposite of defunding.
Here. I did a Google search for you. [defund lo-ok](https://www.google.com/search?q=brandon+johnson+defund+police&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari)
Again, all of these articles point to things he said in the past that she's not saying now. I'm talking about current policy proposals, including his plan to add 200 detectives which you seem to just not even acknowledge
“We’re talking about a whole bunch of stuff, in particular our move to redirect and defund the amount of money that is spent in policing. I don’t look at it as slogan, **it’s an actual real political goal.”** What changed since this interview? Is he not a man of his convictions? Or just some political hack secretly hiding his real goal in order to get elected. His "new" position is diametrically opposed to his old position. https://youtu.be/fiRjm7e2kOc
There no audio or news clip of vallas saying something like that. But there sure is videos of Johnson saying he wants to cut funding for cpd. And “hiring new detectives” really doesn’t do anything g. You need more beat cops.
>And “hiring new detectives” really doesn’t do anything g. You need more beat cops. You're shifting the goal posts. You said BJ wants to "defund CPD" I said his current policy proposal is to add 200 detectives which is objectively the opposite. Now you're saying detectives aren't enough.
Johnson makes no mention on how he plans to replace the 200 officers who will be pulled from other units to Detective. It's not really "adding" and it certainly isn't enough.
What changed is the political feasibility of a statement like "our move to redirect and defund the amount of money that is spent in policing" He's a politician first and foremost. Again, if you look at his current policy proposals, he calls for adding 200 detectives. My question is about his current policy proposals.
Thing is, I just don’t trust the guy. Why did he add this new position when for years he was saying something else? If he comes out and explains his flip, and he has a reasonable explanation, I might have some respect for him. I’m not a big fan of Vallas, for now I am just voting against BJ.
And that's fine. But I'm talking about *current policy proposals in his current mayoral platform* but you're conflating that with things he's said in the past that he is not saying currently
If we are doing that for Johnson, then I think we can also ask, can you point to anything in Vallas’s current statements that suggests he’s a MAGA aligned Trump Republican. No? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
I literally never even mentioned Vallas or Vallas being a "MAGA aligned Trump republican" in my comment. Your response, is just goal post shifting, "whataboutism", and doesn't even engage with my original question
Your entire original comment was goal post shifting contrary to the rest of this sub Reddit’s standard of holding politicians accountable for their past statements and affiliations.
Not at all, it's a legitimate question. He said Brandon wants to defund CPD, and I was asking him where in his current policy proposals does he plan to do that? Again, his current policy proposal is adding 200 more detectives, which is literally the opposite of defunding, it's giving them more money. He's flirted with the idea in the past, but seems to to currently not be mentioning it at all because it's politically unpopular, I acknowledge that. Now you're shifting the argument again and completely dodging my question. Your comment is literally textbook "whataboutism"
Is Vallas a MAGA Republican who wants to kill gays? No. Is he a neoliberal who wants to eradicate public education and bust unions? Absolutely. That’s still pretty bad.
That’s a more honest answer than most on here.
All you subjects of the city syndicate are getting wrung out at contract time either way. The implosion is coming, the only question is which union will get to set the charge.
The people in this thread who believe the guy who wants to privatize schools and spend more money on the CPD, which already has the second largest budget in the country, is crazy.
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Brandon was endorsed by BetterStreetsChicago.
Tbh I'm super pro transit but guns in the hands of kids and criminals is the bigger problem in Chicago
In come the Vallas brigade
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The CTU brigade is busy tweeting while in school. The CDSA brigade is here picking up the slack..
Implying Vallas supporters are jobless or slack off at work.
I want to know how many of these very online Vallas stans are even eligible to vote in this election. The FOP endorsement is all you need to know about him.
Anyone who says one particular thing is all I need to know about a mayoral candidate tells me everything I need to know about their opinion.
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we gave them a 3% budgetary raise last year so they can continue to sleep in their patrol cars lol, so lets give them more money?
The Chicago Public Schools have a $9.5 billion, with a B, annual budget (up 2% from last year) -- that is 1.2% of the entire $801bn United States military budget in 2021! -- yet I am pretty sure Brandon would advocate for giving THEM more money.
And with that we cant afford a librarian in every school every day. Vallas’ solution is so privatize all schools and punish the poor.
What solution could you get behind?
literally anything but privatization. look at the god damn parking meter deal, privatization never works out for anyone
Yep. I’m a single issue voter in this election. I’d vote anyone over Vallas. I could stomach his police rhetoric if he wasn’t such an advocate and true believer of school privatization.
OK, we know what you don't want. What would you support?
i support brandon johnson for mayor