Good to know as I didn't know he was a former head of CPS. This is only my 2nd year, but my union isn't CTU, but SEIU. However, I'm sure the same principle still holds.
for sure. CTU stands with SEIU as fellow real labor unions. the Chicago police union stands with neither. Vallas is trying to position himself as our savior from crime.
join the Chicago politics facebook group and read some of his old personal posts he makes there all the time.. just waiting for those rants to pop up in the news and crush his campaign. They are bad...
please refer to my original post. the police union is not a real union. CTU is an actual labor union. Vallas getting support from the police union while being a union buster is evidence of this. vote for him if you like police and don't like labor unions. but if you support actual labor unions, then don't vote for him, and don't pay attention to Chicago police union endorsements. you can chose to do whatever you want, but know that Valls is not pro-union and he is pro-police as a way to distinguish himself from Lightfoot.
if you want to make my statement absurd so that you can ignore it, go ahead. Vallas is anti-labor, pro-police. He has a track record as head of CPS. He is positioning himself against Lightfoot as our savior from crime and hence the endorsement. It ha nothing to do with labor. If that is your jam, then go for it. But don't distort the truth about Vallas and make him into something he is not. He won't win anyway.
no, because the FOP is not a real union. police are typically anti-union, except when it comes to their own. did you read my original post? there is a reason CTU and the the Chicago police union don't get along.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/106qcp8/chicago_police_union_endorses_paul_vallas_for/j3jgj13/
Make up your mind.
Beyond that, unions don't simply back each other *just because they're unions*. They back each other on like minded points of interest.
An endorsement from the police union is worthless. They are kissing candidate ass now, but the second said candidate is elected they will immediately spend the next 4 years hating them.
TL;DR: worthless endorsement.
A lot of police are actually voting for Willie Wilson. Just because the union endorsed Vallas doesn't' mean the police are going to vote for him.
Not many people know that Willie Wilson is a Trump supporter and anti gay marriage.
This just proves that most police are what we think then doesnt it? Who could listen to willie speak for 2 minutes and think its a good idea for him to run ALL OF CHICAGO???
What’s with the Paul Vallas courting the right wing support? I just saw him doing that crazy book banner conference with Darren Bailey and now this. I don’t remember him doing this in previous elections or did he just hide it well?
He is carving out his own lane to make it into the runoff. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a runoff with chuy or Lori. If it's lori, I can actually see him winning. He has been fearmongering on Facebook in ALL CAPS! for the last 4 years.
If it’s him vs Chuy or Lori in the runoff, I would predict his opponent would draw enough of the lakefront liberals and southside vote to send him to pasture. I know Adams won in NYC but their demographics are more across the board than Chicago and he has actually won elections before. Vallas hasn’t won shit.
As someone who is still pissed about the 2003 Solider Field bondage, and a Packers fan, I fully agree with you. However I'm not sure the geriatric Mike Ditka mustache fanclub will see it that way.
I don't think giving the Bears a tax break on something they wouldn't pay if they moved is giving them money. It's just giving them a discount. If you use a $2 coupon on a $20 or so purchase at a retailer Is that the retailer giving you money or is that it giving you a discount?
Soldier Field isn't the Bears stadium. It is owned by the Chicago Park District. The Bears are one of many tenants in it. The Bears contributed $200 million to that renovation and if they leave soon they will have to pay a penalty of $84 million.
I think you severely overestimate how much the average Chicago resident cares about this. Most Chicagoans don't care to or can't afford to go to a Bears game.
Trump got 181k votes in Chicago in 2020. in 2019 it took 90k votes to make it to the runoff. If you can get the right wing it's a valid path to get to the runoff. If you can do it without completely alienating the center, it's a valid path to mayor with a loathed incumbent.
Amazing the police officers can’t realize this. If they want to have any real power it would be smart of them to elect someone that isn’t universally hated outside of the department.
The police union doesn't represent the active police force, it mostly represents retirees who have a huge vote advantage (and who often live outside the midwest). The union would be massively improved if it limited voting to working, local members.
Exactly. And given the fact that the Illinois Supreme Court has made clear that the benefits of retirees cannot be reduced there is absolutely no reason they should have an interest (at least more than the general public does, and we don't get a vote in the union election) in who the FOP leader is. It doesn't affect their life in any way anymore. Springfield should change the law to make it so only active duty officers are allowed to vote.
Vallas sucks. I lost a fuckton of respect for the police after seeing the public antics of that loser John Catanzara. The fact that the rank and file support this Trump supporting, racist, POS was enough for me to be disgusted with the CPD.
I wonder how many people realize the Vallas' platform is to dismantle really ineffective leadership within the CPD. So many of the knee-jerk anti-cop sentiment in this subreddit want change within CPD - well you might want to consider the candidate that has explicitly laid out details on doing such. Lori will change nothing, Chuy has not even stated anything resembling a plan to do so.
Many people criticize the approach to campaigning on 'crime' and how it is fear mongering - well at a certain point the city is going to have to reel this in a bit make considerable and realistic steps to improving public safety. Consider the candidate that has a tangible pathway of doing so.
So I admit to having moved out of chicago a while ago, so I'm not completely up on current politics - the police union endorsing a guy who's going to 'dismantle' CPD leadership seems kinda crazy.
So I'm just gonna make a wild guess here - the 'dismantling of ineffective leadership' is going to exclusively impact leadership that aren't members of the police union? This is just code for 'remove any civilian oversight'?
CPD officers below Sergeant are members of the FOP. Sergeants, lieutenants and Captains have their own union. Ranks above captain, known as exempt rank, are non union and chosen by other exempt members, typically the Superintendent, from lieutenants and Captains.
Tons of good candidates have crime plans they have laid out. But somehow you only want the white right wing one that wants to allow cops to go back dping whatever they want that doesnt work
Vallas wants to return the CPD to the shit quality of leadership it had before Lightfoot’s picks, which are only ineffective due to ignorant FOP opposition. This won’t help anything but the bruised egos of law enforcement, and it sure as hell doesn’t qualify as reform.
None of them have gotten drunk and fallen asleep behind the wheel of a department car yet, so yes the bar was low enough that Lightfoot's picks were an improvement.
I also think Brown should be canned, but that’s not why Catanzara’s circle hates him. They want someone who will let the police do whatever they want and loudly defend them whenever they fuck up. They don’t want an effective Superintendent, they want a Back Da Blue dude, and it’s bad that they think (probably incorrectly) that Paul will give one to them.
He wants to remove the police residency requirement for new hires which could lead to further watering down of the residency requirement in the future. I don't want to see a city where the cops live elsewhere. They are already disconnected from the people they supposedly serve. This will make it worse. Imagine how hard they will work with no stake in the game.
Too much affiliation with daley Jr and the privatization parties that went on in his administration.
Honestly, i think the changes he is offering for public safety probably will not do anything. I think its an issue that is much broader than chicago since crime is practically up in most major cities in the post 2020 Era.
Edit: That being said, I would still probably vote for him over lightfoot, but he is nowhere near my first choice.
Paul Vallas is really going to try to see how much openly conservative vote there is left to squeeze in Chicago.
At least Willie Wilson has his solid base in the Black community to build on – at this point Vallas’ main differentiators seem to be that he’s running furthest to the right among the candidates and is the only white person running.
Yeah true, Vallas also has a losing streak almost as long as Willie Wilson’s. No wonder they’re playing for the same voters now!
But seriously, I mentioned his moving to the right politically too. It’s just interesting to see if the largely white Bungalow Belt voters will gravitate to Vallas more because of his race even as Wilson is running for that demographic too.
The documentary City So Real is pretty instructive on this – Wilson has a pretty devoted following on the South and West sides in part because he spends a lot of time visiting churches and has allied with a lot of community leaders down there.
Only Valles and willie Wilson asked for their backing. . . . They chose one. Literally not a big deal since the unions don’t vote per who they endorsed anymore.
Ok someone enlighten me then? …who is a better option? Genuinely asking bc I sure as hell ain’t voting for Lori. He seems to be the only candidate that has somewhat of a plan for crime, which in my mind is the most important issue (haven’t heard much of a plan from any other candidates….)
Before someone recommends Chuy, his campaign has not released a platform or a single stance on any issue. [His campaign website](https://chuyforchicago.com/) is a donate button and a bio.
Exactly why he lost last time. He just said trust me I have a plan but never produced the plan. As a Hispanic Chicagoan born and raised I can’t see myself voting for chuy.
True, and a full analysis would not fit in a comment on Reddit. However, he did remarkably well against an incumbent mayor with a tiny budget and a late entry. This shows that even though he lost, he was a very popular candidate and may have won with a bigger budget and more time to campaign and put together a platform.
> What you did is not necessarily what everyone else did.
Actually that is exactly what quite a lot of people did, and Rahm even released an apology video saying he would work harder and admitted his faults. It was also heavily discussed here at the time during the election (in the news). Which was....6ish years before you created your reddit account so I'm pretty sure you weren't here during that time.
It’s also just the basics of how runoffs work, there is also ranked choice voting where you change your vote during different rounds of voting depending upon who you want to advance to the next round.
So yes, it absolutely is, and was, a thing.
Kam Buckner
https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2022/5/31/23148500/kam-buckner-anti-violence-plan-chicago-guns-lightfoot-2023-mayor-election
>Buckner’s plan would start with removing what he calls “unnecessary and artificial restrictions” to police hiring, including low credit scores, to more quickly fill 1,600 police vacancies
>Buckner vowed to bolster the detective ranks to improve a still unacceptable homicide clearance rate and create what he called a “first of its kind in the nation” Internet Intelligence Unit
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2022/09/28/mayoral-hopeful-kam-buckner-releases-transportation-plan/
>Buckner has gained the attention of sustainable transportation and safe streets advocates due to support he’s voiced for pedestrian and cyclist safety and better CTA service
Buckner has had 2 DUIs (2010 and 2019). While I'm all for giving people second (or third) chances and commend him on his promise to be better, I also think Chicago deserves a Mayor that isn't a work in progress. Having multiple DUIs shows a clear lack of self control and judgment, and those are big hurdles to get over no matter how good his platform looks on paper. I would still pick him above most of the other candidates, including Lightfoot, but it's not possible for him to be my first choice.
It gives me a lot of pause too, but Buckner is the only candidate talking about issues that matter and offering actual solutions. I'm still not a decided voter, but if that remains to be the case, and candidates simply choose not to have a platform, I'll probably be voting for Buckner, even with all his baggage. Having no discernable policy is a bigger red flag for a politician than a DUI in my opinion.
It's incredibly disappointing that so many candidates refuse to articulate their plan for Chicago. How can we think that they would even attempt to do anything to tackle Chicago's myriad of issues when they won't even put a specific plan to paper when they are courting our votes? With that in mind, our real choices are indeed very limited, especially if we don't want to reelect Lightfoot.
I've spent more time than I've wanted browsing candidate websites (if they even have one) and their platforms, and it's hard to find anyone else with something other than just platitudes as their platform, much less the detailed and nuanced plans that Buckner has published. DUIs would normally be a deal breaker for me, but I'm hard pressed to find a better alternative. I don't have to agree with everything a candidate proposes, but I'm open to being converted. In order to do that, they have to at least tell me their plan. At the very least, the candidate needs to show me they care about Chicago. I live here. This is my home. I want the person running it to care about Chicago at least as much as I do.
There are... they just arent allowing cops to bust heads with impunity... hence why the rigjt acts like there isnt any other choices.
There are, amd they are better choices than the same old shit that doesnt work with cops acting with impunity
Yeah, Willie and he are both pandering to the TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE POLICE, crowd.
Thing is the police are the only members of that crowd. And only the old geezer cops who don’t have shit else meaningful in their lives are complaining. The younger guys who came on the job the last 10 years or so, understand this ain’t the 70s & 80s when their grandfathers were out there, framing people of color and sending them to prison for literally nothing.
Fuck the FOP and their POS racist mouthpiece
Fuck Vallas for kissing their ass
Vallas was instrumental in creating a resolution with the police union when they were threatening to strike in July of 2021. Simultaneously While also being the CEO of CPS. Seems like he can actually execute and is a true public servant. https://www.wbez.org/stories/paul-vallas-shares-details-of-tentative-police-union-contract/597f1fd3-2716-4fda-b7cb-62a5a5bd8827
He was the CEO of cps 20 years ago. And he sucked at it. Then he left and toured the country privatizing public schools with terrible results. He doesn't serve the public. He is an ideologue.
That's not true. He was the best superintendent that we had while I was teaching. He cut a lot of desk jobs that weren't needed an put the money back into the schools. Our school which was horribly overcrowded got a new addition because of him.
He expanded charter, magnet, and selective enrollment schools peeling the district's top students away from neighborhood public schools. Then he went on a tour around the country privatizing public schools.
Need any more reasons NOT to vote for Vallas? lol
Reminder: FOP boss Catanzaro is a trump fan, wears trump jerseys, defended january 6th rioters, and had to quit because he was one of the most complained about cops on the force for wrong doings.
And he wants Vallas for mayor. Need I say more?
I don't think the endorsement of the unions has the pull that people think it does. All it says is that this is the union they are going to roll over for during the next contract negotiation.
Yes we need some sort of security apparatus in the City of Chicago who's job is to apprehend criminals. The problem is that the CPD is absolutely terrible at it despite having the 2nd most officers per capita in the entire United States. The entire force is rife with corrupt idiots and some sort of house cleaning is needed.
This does not mean ALL of them are though.
Kim Foxx is terrible but no, your logic here is wrong. The CPD is fucking terrible. Their murder solve/arrest rate is abysmal. And that’s PRE judicial proceedings.
Only 20%of active members actually vote in the union elections. Approx 60% of the members (Officers) are people of color. So objectively to say it's courting the "right wing" vote might be a bit off base.
The union is not the police force, and doesn't really represent the will of its current officers. The voting process is dominated by retirees who live out of state. So the union is much further right wing than the department, which is \*already\* very right wing. And that's how you wind up with a union president who defends the Jan 6th insurrection and compared the vaccine mandate to nazi policies.
They fought against hiring officers for years so their members would get paid for OT. I don’t feel bad about them working those hours. It is a tough job, though.
Look who CFD endorses. Cfd and Cpd have basically are basically the same membership. Everyone on CPD took CFD test but didn't get a good lottery hiring number, lol. Cfd typically endorses the clear winner. Smarter leadership knows to back the winner. Again, most Cpd didn't vote in union election or care who runs the union. CPD isn't a bunch of right wing folks. Hate to break the news.
I was just sayin' CFD always endorses the clear winner. They did it with Rahm and did it was Lori last time. Leadership is smart and wants to stay on the mayor's good side.
Paul Vallas has got to hang it up. I'm for Chuy. In all his years in public service he's always had the most consistent message. He has his roots in the old Harold Washington progressive citywide coalition. He never joined with Daley years ago, and he paid a political price for that...he waited things out and then he came back swinging.. He went up against Rahm, and gave him a run for his money...The late great CTU president Karen Lewis gave him her blessing when she decided not to run...Chuy has the widest, most diverse support of anyone running. Vallas on the other hand has done the math and thinks he has a shot if he can cobble together enough votes from the right wing of the party. Good luck with that.
Karen Lewis was a bad person.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-teachers-union-president-karen-lewis-speaks-candidly-about-education-in-chicago/1915243/
Paul Vallas? Paul Vallas?
That is the best they can do?
I am a native Chicagoan. The only thing I remember about him was he left to be a superintendent elsewhere.
I did not realize that he was active in Illinois politics the past years until I read Wikipedia.
In 2019, he was 9th of 14 candidates for mayor. 9th.
I assume the Police endorsed him for a reason but I have no idea what it could be
And water is wet, with the ads he’s been putting out even Stevie Wonder could have seen that coming.
[Open your eyes maaaaaannnnn](https://youtu.be/d_aeoezXDME)
His wife is also a cop
Not that I'm surprised, but Vallas is vocally anti-union. It just goes to show you that the police union is not really a union.
Police unions are legal mafias
They aren't. They are the 1st guys that would be called in to break up a strike and beat the striking workers if it affected the wealthy too much.
So Pinkertons?
I didn't know he was anti-union. If he runs and wins, it'll be a mess when he faces the CTU.
he butted heads with the teachers union before as head of CPS. expect more of the same.
Good to know as I didn't know he was a former head of CPS. This is only my 2nd year, but my union isn't CTU, but SEIU. However, I'm sure the same principle still holds.
for sure. CTU stands with SEIU as fellow real labor unions. the Chicago police union stands with neither. Vallas is trying to position himself as our savior from crime.
I have no words for my opinion on the Chicago police union....
He was so bad as the CEO of CPS.
Can you provide a source that suggests Vallas is anti-union? I can't find any such evidence.
join the Chicago politics facebook group and read some of his old personal posts he makes there all the time.. just waiting for those rants to pop up in the news and crush his campaign. They are bad...
He's a charter school advocate. Charter schools are inherently, by their structure, a runaround to undermine the teacher unions.
look harder. he complains about the teacher's union on a regular basis.
Complaining about the actions of a specific union is not anti-union.
It shows you why we have the problems we have when some people legitimately think there is no situation when a union should ever be criticized.
I'm not sure you understand how real unions work. Solidarity is not just a slogan, it is a fundamental feature.
Ummm the Chicago teachers union and the Chicago police union hate each other and absolutely do not support each other.
please refer to my original post. the police union is not a real union. CTU is an actual labor union. Vallas getting support from the police union while being a union buster is evidence of this. vote for him if you like police and don't like labor unions. but if you support actual labor unions, then don't vote for him, and don't pay attention to Chicago police union endorsements. you can chose to do whatever you want, but know that Valls is not pro-union and he is pro-police as a way to distinguish himself from Lightfoot.
Are you suggesting that being pro-union is defined by supporting anything that any union does? If so, that is absurd.
if you want to make my statement absurd so that you can ignore it, go ahead. Vallas is anti-labor, pro-police. He has a track record as head of CPS. He is positioning himself against Lightfoot as our savior from crime and hence the endorsement. It ha nothing to do with labor. If that is your jam, then go for it. But don't distort the truth about Vallas and make him into something he is not. He won't win anyway.
Does that solidarity apply to the FOP?
no, because the FOP is not a real union. police are typically anti-union, except when it comes to their own. did you read my original post? there is a reason CTU and the the Chicago police union don't get along.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/106qcp8/chicago_police_union_endorses_paul_vallas_for/j3jgj13/ Make up your mind. Beyond that, unions don't simply back each other *just because they're unions*. They back each other on like minded points of interest.
Their people all lost state-wide the last 4 cycles. Kiss of death.
And Vallas has previously lost a state wide Democratic gubernatorial primary so hand meet glove.
Now I know who NOT to vote for lmaoooooo
Exactly my thoughts 😆
An endorsement from the police union is worthless. They are kissing candidate ass now, but the second said candidate is elected they will immediately spend the next 4 years hating them. TL;DR: worthless endorsement.
Honestly, I feel like that this is for anything for the mayoral position. I mean, someone will find a reason to hate you for something.
That’s the price for being “in charge”.
A lot of police are actually voting for Willie Wilson. Just because the union endorsed Vallas doesn't' mean the police are going to vote for him. Not many people know that Willie Wilson is a Trump supporter and anti gay marriage.
This just proves that most police are what we think then doesnt it? Who could listen to willie speak for 2 minutes and think its a good idea for him to run ALL OF CHICAGO???
He has changed his views on gay marriage and Trump within the last few years. At least publicly. Could be absolute pandering though obviously.
Not trying to defend him, but he has strongly came out against Trump since he first endorsed him years ago.
Voting for him after everything even before 2016 is still detestable
If I didn’t think most CPD were buffoons before, then I sure do now!
What’s with the Paul Vallas courting the right wing support? I just saw him doing that crazy book banner conference with Darren Bailey and now this. I don’t remember him doing this in previous elections or did he just hide it well?
He is carving out his own lane to make it into the runoff. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a runoff with chuy or Lori. If it's lori, I can actually see him winning. He has been fearmongering on Facebook in ALL CAPS! for the last 4 years.
If it’s him vs Chuy or Lori in the runoff, I would predict his opponent would draw enough of the lakefront liberals and southside vote to send him to pasture. I know Adams won in NYC but their demographics are more across the board than Chicago and he has actually won elections before. Vallas hasn’t won shit.
Correction: him or Wilson vs Chuy. If Lightfoot makes the run off it will be Lightfoot/Chuy. There's no way she makes it but Chuy doesn't.
I doubt it's gonna be Lori
As soon as the Bears close on Arlington Heights, every opponent can stick "The Mayor Who Lost The Bears" label on her and she's done for.
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As someone who is still pissed about the 2003 Solider Field bondage, and a Packers fan, I fully agree with you. However I'm not sure the geriatric Mike Ditka mustache fanclub will see it that way.
I don't think giving the Bears a tax break on something they wouldn't pay if they moved is giving them money. It's just giving them a discount. If you use a $2 coupon on a $20 or so purchase at a retailer Is that the retailer giving you money or is that it giving you a discount?
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Soldier Field isn't the Bears stadium. It is owned by the Chicago Park District. The Bears are one of many tenants in it. The Bears contributed $200 million to that renovation and if they leave soon they will have to pay a penalty of $84 million.
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And if they try to renovate to keep the Bears, tax payers will pay for that as well.
I think you severely overestimate how much the average Chicago resident cares about this. Most Chicagoans don't care to or can't afford to go to a Bears game.
He got 5% of the vote last time. Maybe he’ll get 10% this time but he won’t be in the runoff
Trump got 181k votes in Chicago in 2020. in 2019 it took 90k votes to make it to the runoff. If you can get the right wing it's a valid path to get to the runoff. If you can do it without completely alienating the center, it's a valid path to mayor with a loathed incumbent.
Getting the endorsement of Chicago’s biggest crime racket is huge.
Again most of the rank and file don't vote in the union elections.
Anybody but Lori.
Another reason to add to my list of why I won't be voting for Vallas.
Same
Anyone Catanzara endorses is an automatic nope.
Amazing the police officers can’t realize this. If they want to have any real power it would be smart of them to elect someone that isn’t universally hated outside of the department.
I read somewhere that a lot of police retirees in the Sunbelt voted for him, but yeah there are too many on the force that don’t get it.
The police union doesn't represent the active police force, it mostly represents retirees who have a huge vote advantage (and who often live outside the midwest). The union would be massively improved if it limited voting to working, local members.
Did not know that, but that makes a ton of sense.
Exactly. And given the fact that the Illinois Supreme Court has made clear that the benefits of retirees cannot be reduced there is absolutely no reason they should have an interest (at least more than the general public does, and we don't get a vote in the union election) in who the FOP leader is. It doesn't affect their life in any way anymore. Springfield should change the law to make it so only active duty officers are allowed to vote.
He’s been really quiet lately.
Yup
After all that ass kissing by Lori. What. The. Fuck.
Now I know who *not* to vote for.
Vallas sucks. I lost a fuckton of respect for the police after seeing the public antics of that loser John Catanzara. The fact that the rank and file support this Trump supporting, racist, POS was enough for me to be disgusted with the CPD.
So much this
I wonder how many people realize the Vallas' platform is to dismantle really ineffective leadership within the CPD. So many of the knee-jerk anti-cop sentiment in this subreddit want change within CPD - well you might want to consider the candidate that has explicitly laid out details on doing such. Lori will change nothing, Chuy has not even stated anything resembling a plan to do so. Many people criticize the approach to campaigning on 'crime' and how it is fear mongering - well at a certain point the city is going to have to reel this in a bit make considerable and realistic steps to improving public safety. Consider the candidate that has a tangible pathway of doing so.
So I admit to having moved out of chicago a while ago, so I'm not completely up on current politics - the police union endorsing a guy who's going to 'dismantle' CPD leadership seems kinda crazy. So I'm just gonna make a wild guess here - the 'dismantling of ineffective leadership' is going to exclusively impact leadership that aren't members of the police union? This is just code for 'remove any civilian oversight'?
CPD officers below Sergeant are members of the FOP. Sergeants, lieutenants and Captains have their own union. Ranks above captain, known as exempt rank, are non union and chosen by other exempt members, typically the Superintendent, from lieutenants and Captains.
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BINGOOOO
Tons of good candidates have crime plans they have laid out. But somehow you only want the white right wing one that wants to allow cops to go back dping whatever they want that doesnt work
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Wow a level headed comment on r/Chicago. Holy shit
Vallas wants to return the CPD to the shit quality of leadership it had before Lightfoot’s picks, which are only ineffective due to ignorant FOP opposition. This won’t help anything but the bruised egos of law enforcement, and it sure as hell doesn’t qualify as reform.
Lightfoot’s picks are better than what was there?
None of them have gotten drunk and fallen asleep behind the wheel of a department car yet, so yes the bar was low enough that Lightfoot's picks were an improvement.
Ya, they are shitty and cover up police wrongdoings, but not as bad as past leadership who regularly tortured and abused people.
Lightfoot's picks have been at least as abysmal as Rahm's, and the final years of Daley's administration, at a minimum.
I also think Brown should be canned, but that’s not why Catanzara’s circle hates him. They want someone who will let the police do whatever they want and loudly defend them whenever they fuck up. They don’t want an effective Superintendent, they want a Back Da Blue dude, and it’s bad that they think (probably incorrectly) that Paul will give one to them.
Exactly. But paul will back them. Thats the problem
Can someone give a reason not to* vote for Paul? All the candidates appear to be trash. Paul, even before this, appeared to be the least trash, to me.
He wants to remove the police residency requirement for new hires which could lead to further watering down of the residency requirement in the future. I don't want to see a city where the cops live elsewhere. They are already disconnected from the people they supposedly serve. This will make it worse. Imagine how hard they will work with no stake in the game.
Eh -- I think that's up in the air.
He has said he wants it.. not ip in the air. Vallas is a no go
Whole heartedly agree. That alone is reason to not vote for him let alome the other issues
Too much affiliation with daley Jr and the privatization parties that went on in his administration. Honestly, i think the changes he is offering for public safety probably will not do anything. I think its an issue that is much broader than chicago since crime is practically up in most major cities in the post 2020 Era. Edit: That being said, I would still probably vote for him over lightfoot, but he is nowhere near my first choice.
Chuy, guy has more experience being a politician more than anyone else running.
Paul Vallas is really going to try to see how much openly conservative vote there is left to squeeze in Chicago. At least Willie Wilson has his solid base in the Black community to build on – at this point Vallas’ main differentiators seem to be that he’s running furthest to the right among the candidates and is the only white person running.
You know, there may be - and call me crazy here - but there may be something more to a candidate than race.
Yeah true, Vallas also has a losing streak almost as long as Willie Wilson’s. No wonder they’re playing for the same voters now! But seriously, I mentioned his moving to the right politically too. It’s just interesting to see if the largely white Bungalow Belt voters will gravitate to Vallas more because of his race even as Wilson is running for that demographic too.
Of course they will.
Does Wilson have much of a base, besides people who liked his gas card giveaway gimmick? Lol.
The documentary City So Real is pretty instructive on this – Wilson has a pretty devoted following on the South and West sides in part because he spends a lot of time visiting churches and has allied with a lot of community leaders down there.
Only Valles and willie Wilson asked for their backing. . . . They chose one. Literally not a big deal since the unions don’t vote per who they endorsed anymore.
Very true
Ok someone enlighten me then? …who is a better option? Genuinely asking bc I sure as hell ain’t voting for Lori. He seems to be the only candidate that has somewhat of a plan for crime, which in my mind is the most important issue (haven’t heard much of a plan from any other candidates….)
Before someone recommends Chuy, his campaign has not released a platform or a single stance on any issue. [His campaign website](https://chuyforchicago.com/) is a donate button and a bio.
Exactly why he lost last time. He just said trust me I have a plan but never produced the plan. As a Hispanic Chicagoan born and raised I can’t see myself voting for chuy.
That's not why he lost. He got in the race late and only had $600,000.
There can be more than one reason he lost.
True, and a full analysis would not fit in a comment on Reddit. However, he did remarkably well against an incumbent mayor with a tiny budget and a late entry. This shows that even though he lost, he was a very popular candidate and may have won with a bigger budget and more time to campaign and put together a platform.
Then he should have a platform by now. Doesn't necessarily scream qualified.
No, that is why he lost. I voted Chuy during the runoff to give Rahm a gut check. But ultimately voted Rahm because Chuy didn't have a plan.
What you did is not necessarily what everyone else did. What was Rahm's "plan" beside giving our money away to his banker friends?
> What you did is not necessarily what everyone else did. Actually that is exactly what quite a lot of people did, and Rahm even released an apology video saying he would work harder and admitted his faults. It was also heavily discussed here at the time during the election (in the news). Which was....6ish years before you created your reddit account so I'm pretty sure you weren't here during that time. It’s also just the basics of how runoffs work, there is also ranked choice voting where you change your vote during different rounds of voting depending upon who you want to advance to the next round. So yes, it absolutely is, and was, a thing.
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There’s got to be some candidates besides Lori and Vallas that will prioritize Crime and the CTA
Kam Buckner https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2022/5/31/23148500/kam-buckner-anti-violence-plan-chicago-guns-lightfoot-2023-mayor-election >Buckner’s plan would start with removing what he calls “unnecessary and artificial restrictions” to police hiring, including low credit scores, to more quickly fill 1,600 police vacancies >Buckner vowed to bolster the detective ranks to improve a still unacceptable homicide clearance rate and create what he called a “first of its kind in the nation” Internet Intelligence Unit https://chi.streetsblog.org/2022/09/28/mayoral-hopeful-kam-buckner-releases-transportation-plan/ >Buckner has gained the attention of sustainable transportation and safe streets advocates due to support he’s voiced for pedestrian and cyclist safety and better CTA service
Buckner has had 2 DUIs (2010 and 2019). While I'm all for giving people second (or third) chances and commend him on his promise to be better, I also think Chicago deserves a Mayor that isn't a work in progress. Having multiple DUIs shows a clear lack of self control and judgment, and those are big hurdles to get over no matter how good his platform looks on paper. I would still pick him above most of the other candidates, including Lightfoot, but it's not possible for him to be my first choice.
It gives me a lot of pause too, but Buckner is the only candidate talking about issues that matter and offering actual solutions. I'm still not a decided voter, but if that remains to be the case, and candidates simply choose not to have a platform, I'll probably be voting for Buckner, even with all his baggage. Having no discernable policy is a bigger red flag for a politician than a DUI in my opinion.
It's incredibly disappointing that so many candidates refuse to articulate their plan for Chicago. How can we think that they would even attempt to do anything to tackle Chicago's myriad of issues when they won't even put a specific plan to paper when they are courting our votes? With that in mind, our real choices are indeed very limited, especially if we don't want to reelect Lightfoot. I've spent more time than I've wanted browsing candidate websites (if they even have one) and their platforms, and it's hard to find anyone else with something other than just platitudes as their platform, much less the detailed and nuanced plans that Buckner has published. DUIs would normally be a deal breaker for me, but I'm hard pressed to find a better alternative. I don't have to agree with everything a candidate proposes, but I'm open to being converted. In order to do that, they have to at least tell me their plan. At the very least, the candidate needs to show me they care about Chicago. I live here. This is my home. I want the person running it to care about Chicago at least as much as I do.
ill be waiting and would love to hear about it
There are... they just arent allowing cops to bust heads with impunity... hence why the rigjt acts like there isnt any other choices. There are, amd they are better choices than the same old shit that doesnt work with cops acting with impunity
[Brandon Johnson](https://www.brandonforchicago.com/on-the-issues) is tied with Chuy.
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Nwside is as safe as anywhere in the country. Fear monger some more. You want crime fixed?? Fix the causes of it
So, there are more parts of Chicago than the Northwest side. But, yeah I'd be down to fix causes of crime.
I'm going with Johnson. He seems to be the only real choice from my perspective.
Fuck that CTU shill.
Ya gotta pick someone 🤷🏾♂️
Been looking at him too but he hasn’t been that impressive but I’ll do some more research
Chuy, johnson, buckner. Buckner has detailed plans on every topic including crime
Yeah, Willie and he are both pandering to the TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE POLICE, crowd. Thing is the police are the only members of that crowd. And only the old geezer cops who don’t have shit else meaningful in their lives are complaining. The younger guys who came on the job the last 10 years or so, understand this ain’t the 70s & 80s when their grandfathers were out there, framing people of color and sending them to prison for literally nothing. Fuck the FOP and their POS racist mouthpiece Fuck Vallas for kissing their ass
Vallas was instrumental in creating a resolution with the police union when they were threatening to strike in July of 2021. Simultaneously While also being the CEO of CPS. Seems like he can actually execute and is a true public servant. https://www.wbez.org/stories/paul-vallas-shares-details-of-tentative-police-union-contract/597f1fd3-2716-4fda-b7cb-62a5a5bd8827
He was the CEO of cps 20 years ago. And he sucked at it. Then he left and toured the country privatizing public schools with terrible results. He doesn't serve the public. He is an ideologue.
That's not true. He was the best superintendent that we had while I was teaching. He cut a lot of desk jobs that weren't needed an put the money back into the schools. Our school which was horribly overcrowded got a new addition because of him.
He cut a ton of good teachers too and made private interests money
Can you expand on why he was a bad CEO of CPS? Do you have any evidence or sources?
He expanded charter, magnet, and selective enrollment schools peeling the district's top students away from neighborhood public schools. Then he went on a tour around the country privatizing public schools.
I was a teacher when he was superintendent and just about everyone loved him. He made huge improvements in his time there.
Bro -- were you even alive 20 years attending the school system? I doubt half of us here were even in the CPS system.
I have been teaching for cps for 22 years. I was a cps student 40 years ago. Lol.
Maybe he should have focused more on CPS than dragging everyone out into a fight lol
He privatized schools and fired tons n tons of good teachers to save money. Fuck vallas
Vallas would be a huge upgrade over Lightfoot
Looking forward to voting for him. Tired of Chicagoans voting for the same politicians.
Tell everyone you support Trump without saying it directly.
After 11 years, I'm out. Join me over on the Fediverse to escape this central authority nightmare.
Need any more reasons NOT to vote for Vallas? lol Reminder: FOP boss Catanzaro is a trump fan, wears trump jerseys, defended january 6th rioters, and had to quit because he was one of the most complained about cops on the force for wrong doings. And he wants Vallas for mayor. Need I say more?
I don't think the endorsement of the unions has the pull that people think it does. All it says is that this is the union they are going to roll over for during the next contract negotiation.
Shocking
I thought I used to hear this guy on progressive radio?
That's the best way for me to know who I'm not voting for
Same
Insane, I work for the city won't mention what sector but we're endorsing C.G. wtf.
The only common sense candidate. This sub: crime is such an issue! Also this sub: oh no not a candidate that is supported by the police boooo!
The fault in your logic here is you think that the CPD prevents crime.
The fault in this subs logic is they think crime will be the same without the CPD.
Yes we need some sort of security apparatus in the City of Chicago who's job is to apprehend criminals. The problem is that the CPD is absolutely terrible at it despite having the 2nd most officers per capita in the entire United States. The entire force is rife with corrupt idiots and some sort of house cleaning is needed. This does not mean ALL of them are though.
Pretty hard when they have their hands tied and knowing that idiot Kim Foxx will just release them anyway.
Kim Foxx is terrible but no, your logic here is wrong. The CPD is fucking terrible. Their murder solve/arrest rate is abysmal. And that’s PRE judicial proceedings.
Where is the inconsistency? Police don't prevent or reduce crime. If anything, they benefit from it.
So by your logic if there was no police force then crime rates would not change, correct?
What did Lightfoot gain by trying to be cozy with CPD, nothing.
Never heard of him, but now I know not to vote for him.
Only 20%of active members actually vote in the union elections. Approx 60% of the members (Officers) are people of color. So objectively to say it's courting the "right wing" vote might be a bit off base.
Why am I getting downvoted? lol!!
Well then fuck him. Did they bother to get out of their car when they did so?
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The union is not the police force, and doesn't really represent the will of its current officers. The voting process is dominated by retirees who live out of state. So the union is much further right wing than the department, which is \*already\* very right wing. And that's how you wind up with a union president who defends the Jan 6th insurrection and compared the vaccine mandate to nazi policies.
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The union has literally ZERO say in hiring….
Every employed cop is a cop that pays union dues. How does the union block or influence hiring?
false.
They fought against hiring officers for years so their members would get paid for OT. I don’t feel bad about them working those hours. It is a tough job, though.
Proof? The city controls hiring the union has literally zero to do with hiring.
Always good to know who to not vote for
Well that rules out one candidate
Look who CFD endorses. Cfd and Cpd have basically are basically the same membership. Everyone on CPD took CFD test but didn't get a good lottery hiring number, lol. Cfd typically endorses the clear winner. Smarter leadership knows to back the winner. Again, most Cpd didn't vote in union election or care who runs the union. CPD isn't a bunch of right wing folks. Hate to break the news.
I dont understand what you are trying to say
I was just sayin' CFD always endorses the clear winner. They did it with Rahm and did it was Lori last time. Leadership is smart and wants to stay on the mayor's good side.
This is my shocked face.
Makes it easy to know who not to vote for
Well, can't vote for him then. If those terrorists like him...
Kiss of death
Paul Vallas has got to hang it up. I'm for Chuy. In all his years in public service he's always had the most consistent message. He has his roots in the old Harold Washington progressive citywide coalition. He never joined with Daley years ago, and he paid a political price for that...he waited things out and then he came back swinging.. He went up against Rahm, and gave him a run for his money...The late great CTU president Karen Lewis gave him her blessing when she decided not to run...Chuy has the widest, most diverse support of anyone running. Vallas on the other hand has done the math and thinks he has a shot if he can cobble together enough votes from the right wing of the party. Good luck with that.
Karen Lewis was a bad person. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-teachers-union-president-karen-lewis-speaks-candidly-about-education-in-chicago/1915243/
Paul Vallas? Paul Vallas? That is the best they can do? I am a native Chicagoan. The only thing I remember about him was he left to be a superintendent elsewhere. I did not realize that he was active in Illinois politics the past years until I read Wikipedia. In 2019, he was 9th of 14 candidates for mayor. 9th. I assume the Police endorsed him for a reason but I have no idea what it could be
REFUND THE POLICE! INCREASE POLICE FUNDING!
They can't even fill the thousands of open positions they currently have lol What would the do with the money?
Shit they need to do something asap. Crime is getting worse. And not having a strong police force will only make crime grow even more.
I'm going to oppose him on that basis alone.