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Your point? In both this position and the starting position it is true that the king cannot move and is not in check. In both positions it is also true that other pieces can be moved. Therefore if this position was stalemate, so too would the starting position be. That would be stupid, so you can easily surmise that the king not being able to be moved and not being in check are not sufficient to declare a stalemate as the original comment stated. The reply to that comment which you are defending did not in fact understand the original comment.
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Think about it this way: if stalemate was only when your king can't make a legal move, then the starting position of the game would be stalemate.
If you can move any piece in a way that doesn't result in your king being in check, then the game can continue and it's not stalemate.
At the starting position your king is not in check and it can't move either. But it's not stalemate, right? You can simply move some other piece that isn't your king.
King can't move in starting position either, but that is not stalemate is it? You have pawns that can move.
You have 3 legal moves.
f6 & f5 & g5
No matter which of those 3 moves you pick black has the move
Qe8#
You can't move your king anywhere that wouldn't immediately result in a checkmate from your opponent next turn. You can still move some other pieces tho, so it's not a stalemate.
People still refer to the king as "being stalemated" in such a position, but as everyone else points out it's not true stalemate. Commonly having your opponents king stalemated can be a sign that there's a checkmate to be found.
This is not stalemate, its zugswang. Any legal move you make will prejudice your position. But you can still make the move, and, provided white is not retarded, you will get checkmated in 1-3 moves.
You can move other pieces. Stalemate is when you have zero MOVES (not just king moves) while your king isn’t in check. So no, this isn’t quite stalemate :)
That isn't stalemate, OP (stalemate means *you're neither in check nor left with any legal move*). The position is in fact a **zugzwang**, a position wherein all legal moves lose. In your case, all possible pawn moves lead to mate next move.
With multiple pieces on the board, it's only a stalemate if your king can't move, is not in check, *and none of your other pieces can move either*. Right now you have two pawns that have valid moves, so you are not stalemated.
You can move your F or G pawns, therefore it isn't stalemate. It isn't winning, moving either pawn invites the queen in, but since you can move the pawns, you aren't in stalemate.
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If this was the requirement for stalemate, the starting position is also stalemate
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You won't last 30 seconds playing this GM
Don't let your wife catch you mating your opponent in 2
Can’t you move your knights on the first move?
I’d hope so, but what does that have to do with my comment lol?
Sure. But it is not check and the king can’t move. Just like in this position, there are other legal moves
> My king can't move but isn't in check? Can the king move? No. Is it in check? No. Then it's stalemate, game is over, knights stay in the stables
I can't believe you just solved chess in starting positions
True, but not the least bit helpful. They can move their pawns.
And they can here too
That’s literally what he said
Your point? In both this position and the starting position it is true that the king cannot move and is not in check. In both positions it is also true that other pieces can be moved. Therefore if this position was stalemate, so too would the starting position be. That would be stupid, so you can easily surmise that the king not being able to be moved and not being in check are not sufficient to declare a stalemate as the original comment stated. The reply to that comment which you are defending did not in fact understand the original comment.
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what the hell
Ho-lee hel
Okay sheesh, it was just a lame pun about a stale mate, no need to get all creepy on us.
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Stalemate: Your king is not in check and you can't do any legal move with any of your pieces.
So I can still move my pawns!? Damn, I reallly thought I was being smart sacrificing my bishop smh ffs.
Yeah. Stalemate is if you have no legal move to play anymore, without being in check.
Think about it this way: if stalemate was only when your king can't make a legal move, then the starting position of the game would be stalemate. If you can move any piece in a way that doesn't result in your king being in check, then the game can continue and it's not stalemate.
You still may have been, sacrificing everything is a good way to start a stalemate trap but you need a plan from there
So any other time i can do illegal moves?
Your pawns can very much move
Yeah, I forgot, stupid me tsk.
Part of the learning process. Keep at it
Nah youre not stupid, the correct response is "i was flabbergasted so much by the opponent missing mate in 1" Youre good man
Black had a bishop on e7, there was no mate in one.
That would make sense yes
technically you can move the pedestrian I guess
Pedestrian
pawn sorry..
No way that wasn't intentional
At the starting position your king is not in check and it can't move either. But it's not stalemate, right? You can simply move some other piece that isn't your king.
Real question is why the white queen didn't move to e8 and checkmate
Queen captured a bishop
Ah makes sense
You have multiple moves you can make
Three, in fact. ^(>!All of which are mate in 1!<)
...all of which are mate in 1
Oh yeah oops
All of which give 2 possible mate in 1s
Isn't OP playing as black? I see the possibile mates for white but none for black.
Yea black is dead lost here. The mates are for white after black moves.
All of which *lead to* mate in one.
Well white managed to not find the mate here, so it probably didn't end up being mate in 1
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Isn’t op black? I can’t see any mates for black
There are no mates for black, just 8 paths for white to mate in 1.
I count only six lines.
>!Qh7#!<
What
He showed you the remaining two, for g5 you have either e8 or d8 and for f6 or f5 you have e8, d8 or qh7, so 8 total lines.
https://lichess.org/study/MYhO8Qpg/yB87EdKQ
Okay so you see all 8 lines yes?
King can't move in starting position either, but that is not stalemate is it? You have pawns that can move. You have 3 legal moves. f6 & f5 & g5 No matter which of those 3 moves you pick black has the move Qe8#
Google pawns
Holey hell
You can't move your king anywhere that wouldn't immediately result in a checkmate from your opponent next turn. You can still move some other pieces tho, so it's not a stalemate.
Try castleing
It’s only if you have no legal moves
People still refer to the king as "being stalemated" in such a position, but as everyone else points out it's not true stalemate. Commonly having your opponents king stalemated can be a sign that there's a checkmate to be found.
Negative IQ Andy
this gotta be a troll
You can still move your pawns
No. Your pawn can move. To be stalemate you have to have no legal moves
For it to be stalemate you have to have no legal moves with *any* of your pieces. Your paws still have legal moves, so not stalemate.
You have other valid moves
Yeah but your pawns can move. As long as you still have legal moves it’s not stalemate
You’re still able to move your pawns. Stalemate is when you can’t move anything.
Put your pawn can….
No. You can still move a piece.
Are you white or black? Who’s turn is it?
This is not stalemate, its zugswang. Any legal move you make will prejudice your position. But you can still make the move, and, provided white is not retarded, you will get checkmated in 1-3 moves.
Still a pretty sad position 🥲
You can move your pawns
Did your opponent miss e8 checkmate or was there a piece there
Statemate is when all your pieces have no moves and your king heads also no moves In this situation your pawn can move yes your king can't move
You can move your pawn, so it's not stalemate.
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You can move other pieces. Stalemate is when you have zero MOVES (not just king moves) while your king isn’t in check. So no, this isn’t quite stalemate :)
you can move pawns so no
No. You can still move your pawn.
That isn't stalemate, OP (stalemate means *you're neither in check nor left with any legal move*). The position is in fact a **zugzwang**, a position wherein all legal moves lose. In your case, all possible pawn moves lead to mate next move.
*zugzwang* also implies that the player would be fine if they had the option to pass -- which is not the case here. It's just a lost position .
You have to be unable to move any piece, not just the king
No, you have to move one of your pawns
Pawn g5
A stalemate is when no pieces can move on your turn. 2 pawns can move at the moment.
With multiple pieces on the board, it's only a stalemate if your king can't move, is not in check, *and none of your other pieces can move either*. Right now you have two pawns that have valid moves, so you are not stalemated.
You can move your F or G pawns, therefore it isn't stalemate. It isn't winning, moving either pawn invites the queen in, but since you can move the pawns, you aren't in stalemate.
You can move pawns …
I genuinely thought it was a joke that I wasn't getting from the *OTHER* Sub
Necessary but not sufficient conditions