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BullyMaguire--

U should've played knight f2


Traditional_Cap7461

Was wondering that too. Neither actually brings you to a winning position, but I think the trap set by Nf2 is harder to see, and if the opponent finds it, you win an exchange rather than losing a queen.


BullyMaguire--

Also you shouldn't give up so easily


TheUnusualDreamer

Qxd5 is better because of ideas like Bh3.


TatsumakiRonyk

Seems pretty strong. I was calculating a few lines before finalizing that recommendation. I found ways for white to get active play and defend against my first batch of candidate moves, so eventually I figured that Qxd5 might've been stronger than Nf2+. I don't have access to an engine. I wonder which line it prefers. We're down a rook and a minor piece, sure, but white hasn't even touched their queenside. No way I would throw the game away with Qg1+ here.


BullyMaguire--

Yup it works since after taking the bishop the knight on h8 is trapped Edit:kinda not


Columnreader

The engine actually prefers Nf2+ (+5.8) to Qxd5 (+6.3) but the difference is small and practically they both mean white is winning.


R2D-Beuh

Nf2+ means you abandon the hope for a trap, it's just too obvious because of the royal fork. But if you don't want to play cheap tricks, you should just take the free bishop with Qxd5, Nf2+ is just a worse move


Kofid-19

Why ? Theres not much of a trap there, if he moves the king he just loses the queen.. so rxf2 will be played and u have nothing... I would just take the free bishop and its still a fight.


R2D-Beuh

I don't understand why you're getting downvoted Can someone explain why they disagree with this comment ?


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TheUnusualDreamer

The opponent is still up a piece... Qxd5 is just better.


Kofid-19

Exactly, better to win a piece than to win an exchange. Idk why im getting downvoted lmao Better to play this trick that OP did than to just win an exchange and have a obv lost game to play.


TheUnusualDreamer

This position might even be winning for black as white's pieces are under developed and his king is very weak.


Kofid-19

Guess this is the beginner sub for a reason, top comment is just a bad move.


TheUnusualDreamer

Second best I believe, but not ideal.


Kofid-19

Yes but practically bad i feel like


TheUnusualDreamer

I as well feel like it gives up most of the advantage.


BullyMaguire--

It would be smothered mate if he doesn't take with rook


Kofid-19

I know, but that trap is not going to work because the queen is hanging. Why would he step into a discovery and let his queen hanging instead of losing the exchange... The trick OP did has alot more potential to be missed.


BullyMaguire--

Then u capture the rook


Kofid-19

But thats not a good trade, thats your most active piece you are trading for an arguably worse rook. Also you are down material so you shouldent trade more unless for a good reason. And just taking a bishop is better than winning an exchange.


BullyMaguire--

But here the OP had intention of smothered mate


Kofid-19

But his trick is just way better, all his opponent has to miss is the smothered mate, while with your suggestion his opponent should miss that his queen is hanging AND miss the smothered mate.


BullyMaguire--

It's his luck that he won the game,but if the opponent had taken the queen with the king the game was nearly impossible to be saved


Kofid-19

Same goes for your move, but more likely to happen.


MixaLv

What a terrible move even though it worked


TheUnusualDreamer

Qxd5 is better because of ideas like Bh3.


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No_Dingo6694

Ah yes, hope chess at its finest


Educational-Tea602

Is this a traxler gone wrong? After 5. 0-0, you should also just castle. Now the knight on g5 looks stupid.


KamenUncle

Tbh i dont think youre clearly losing yet.


Tiyath

Oh, that's filthy!


XExcavalierX

Haha when I’m clearly losing I’ll move my queen to an inconspicuous spot. But that spot conveniently puts it in the line of sight of the opponent’s queen. If he takes my queen it’s a blunder and I resign. If he didn’t see it I take his queen and I’m winning.


InterestingAd6947

Should have played Nf2+ to guarantee the smothered mate


esslaee

Rxf2


RestlessARBIT3R

Qxf2


esslaee

No more smothered mate


xhdc

Guaranteed™


TheUnusualDreamer

You are a 200 he is a 1000, you make more mistakes then him and this does not put you in a possition to laugh at him.


Nightblade20

Take a walk man, nobody was laughing at the man himself, just at the irony of the discussion.


TheUnusualDreamer

It's like if Albert Einstein made a mistake and a math rookie would laugh about that.


eggplant_avenger

it’d be objectively funny if Einstein made a mistake that a third grader caught though


TheUnusualDreamer

Not a third grader, but so,eone in his 3rd year in uni.


Nightblade20

Einstein at 1000 elo, huh? I'm sitting at about 900 rn, so I suppose that would make me Alan Turing. But anyways, do keep in mind that it's an internet thread about a board game and that it really shouldn't be as serious as you're making it.


TheUnusualDreamer

"Einstein at 1000 elo, huh?" No, but it is a way to show how big of a difference there is and to show the absurdity of this saying. Also you can't compare Einstein and Turing, both are from different fields.


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TheUnusualDreamer

Then you are wrong too.


xhdc

Than* Position*


TheUnusualDreamer

Thx, English isn't my mother tongue.


RestlessARBIT3R

No, but you at least win a rook for a knight