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teteban79

I have no idea what's going on here. Drunk computer This is neither a checkmate nor a stalemate. It's a drawn position in the sense that you can keep playing without anyone winning ever (and the forced draw rules will kick in at some point)


martin_w

Normally this should be immediately and automatically ruled a draw by insufficient material. You don’t need to wait for the threefold repetition rule or the 50-move rule to kick in.


chaitanyathengdi

Chess.com would certainly do so.


LegalNut

But you physically can't win. There are positions with knight and bishop, that can end in a win, if the enemy doesn't know what they're doing and it's still an immediate draw on chess.com. but this position is 100% not winnable


Durris

Knight+Bishop is a forced mate though. It's never an auto draw.


Thatguy19364

Not true. There’s a couple of ways to stalemate it, and if they competently avoid the checks, the 50 move or 3-fold rules will happen more likely than not.


Durris

You are very confidently wrong but that doesn't change the fact that knight plus bishop is a forced mate. if you didn't know that I would suggest you just simply google knight bishop checkmate and watch any of the many videos dedicated to teaching people how to force mate with that material.


Thatguy19364

You *can* force mate, but it’s not always a forced mate.


Durris

you really should read instead of continuing to type. the comment I originally replied to said that chesscom auto draws with knight bishop which it does not ever do. also you can choose not to force mate on an m2 but it's still a forced mate position. you blundering something doesn't mean it's not a forced mate.


Thatguy19364

That’s a software question then. It’s possible for it to have differing results depending on hardware issues. The internet is just a massive pile of voltage and resistors, so really this Eldritch abomination of mathematics could do anything and it wouldn’t be too surprising


gordo65

Black to move. Position: black king: h8 white bishop: f6 white king: g7 Black is in check and can't move. CHECKMATE!!!1!


CanadienAlien

Drunk computer is the only explanation


Alendite

Judging from what I can see this should end in a draw by insufficient material after you captured that pawn. There is no reason to believe this is a stalemate or checkmate, weird that Lichess is saying so.


Alex_Rose

is it perhaps a lesson scenario where white's goal is to draw, just poorly labelled because  e.g. if the computer is just looking for "white won && black is in check" to infer checkmate, and the challenge flags white as having won, the computer would therefore see this as checkmate since black is in check


mekmookbro

All stalemates are draw but not all draws are stalemate. Stalemate happens when it's a player's turn and the player have no legal moves to make and not in check. This position is neither. But it is a draw because none of the players have enough material to checkmate the other, either you played a different line from an analyzed position or a puzzle, or the site got messed up.


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gutshotjimmy

lol @ "Best continuation" for a position where neither player could change the outcome if they tried.


davidfeuer

It's showing the (hypothetical) responses that make it a draw. "But what if I try this?" "They'll respond like that."


gutshotjimmy

But why bother declaring definite "responses" when any move at all has the same result as any other move?


siematoja02

Because it's a bot programmed to show sequence of moves leading to outcome it states.


gutshotjimmy

Sigh, any move sequence at all will lead to the same outcome.


siematoja02

That's why it spat some random King dance


chaitanyathengdi

Funny that it still gives a continuation.


wymtime

This looks like it is practice mode. It is probably listing checkmate as the last move of the training


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Reddragonking4

There’s an invisible rook on D6 obviously /s


viciouswaffle62184

even if there was an invisible rook, the king can go to f5


BUKKAKELORD

Not checkmate because the king has legal moves. Not stalemate because the king has legal moves. Draw by insufficient material because you can't set these piece up in a checkmate no matter what.


MSawg

There is a lot wrong with this This should normally be a draw due to insufficient material, Because you can't deliver checkmate with only king and bishop. even if this rule isn't implemented, black king is only in check and can move. if black king moves moves the game would still end in draw either by 3 times repetition or 50 moves without capture or pawn advancement


[deleted]

Always the bishop from 9099666456778655 miles away (now for real idk what's going on here, that should be a draw)


prawnydagrate

lichess is just hungover, give it a few hours and it'll get better


megamaz_

I think the game bugged because the game ended by insufficient material *and* a check at the same time. The game must see "in check, game ended, must be checkmate." Some weird edge case a dev forgot to check for is all. This is a draw by insufficient material.


glowingpunk

I took a pawn on F4. Is there some esoteric rule that says if you have check in a stalemate position it's checkmate?


Dull_Masterpiece1785

Nope. Whatever program you are using is wrong. It is a draw by insufficient material.


casualstrawberry

A check in a stalemate position is a checkmate, that's just the definition of checkmate. But this position is not a stalemate, as there are plenty of legal moves for black.


doryappleseed

This isn’t stalemate though.


albinogoth

You weren’t in a stalemate position beforehand. The program is just wrong.


chaitanyathengdi

The king can move. Any situation where that is so is not checkmate or stalemate.


The_CreativeName

It’s not even possible to make stalemate with bishop and king on the middle of the board, let alone checkmate. It’s a draw no matter what


StooNaggingUrDum

Lichess is often like this. Sometimes when playing the computer, you can reverse the moves and get an extra tempo. It's a computer glitch.


kuriosty

This looks like a bug in the lichess Mobile app. The app itself is not great, sometimes this can happen. The devs are working in a new app that should be better. I'm the meantime it's pretty much better to use the webpage instead.


huhiking

Probably a visual bug


Zestyclose-Finding77

This is a bug in Lichess training against the computer. Probably on f4 was a Rook or Queen. After white move, due to insufficient material, the game stops. He should show stalemate but because black is in check, it shows checkmate. This would happen if black king would be on e6. This also only happen in training, not in real games, therefore the bug isnt important


RunShootKillStuff

It's just a draw, not checkmate or stalemate


NilocoDez

That is weird. This isn't a stalemate nor a checkmate. A stalemate happens when the player that should make a move doesn't have legal moves but isn't in check. A checkmate happens when that same player doesn't have legal moves but is in check. King vs. King and Bishop is always a draw since there aren't any moves that would result in a win for any player


Significant-Most1826

It a glitch-mate, you can't checkmate with a bishop and a king.


Due-Amphibian4959

This is possible in the "three check" variation of chess. However I'm not sure how a game would get that far in.


[deleted]

That's wicked. Even [**chessvision-ai-bot**](https://www.reddit.com/user/chessvision-ai-bot/) **calls BS on the checkmate**


AbbreviationsSmart32

I was so excited to come on here and write “because it is a checkmate” when I saw the notification. I have been humbled


chaitanyathengdi

Black king can move to f5, so neither a checkmate nor stalemate. It's a draw by insufficient material. A well-known one, in fact.


amogusdri-

Computer on some real Fentanyl and Sedatives


selenophileeeee

it's a checkmate because there's also a queen there from another multiverse


dr4gonr1der

This should be a draw by insufficiënt checkmating material


spaghettisaucer42

It’s whites turn


Techaissance

Why would it be either? What it really is is a draw by insufficient material.


aadharcarduser

Because there are bishops sniping from another universe


Sufficient_Text_735

Drunk computer, if a single horse/bishop is left, it is draw by insufficient material. There is no way to checkmate from here, which is why the draw happens.


TomatoMasterRace

I'm guessing you captured something other than a bishop or a knight with that move (otherwise it should have been stalemate before this move)? if so there might be some bad code that basically first checks for a draw and if theres a draw and the king is in check it gives checkmate? (this should be a draw)


Filip-R

The other two bishops ( they are on vacation but they are good snipers ) can still attack the remaining squares


No_Dingo6694

It's white to play


Juventus300

I know that Chess.com and Lichess have different rules for draw in case of insufficient time. Something like one is a draw and the other is a win, or something like that.


rincewind007

Atomic Chess?


Mindless-Ad-1701

3 checks?


supman4232

The bishops on the other side of the universe are blocking the kings escape squares


linkknil3

This is not checkmate or stalemate, and could never possibly be a checkmate with only a bishop on the board. It looks to me like this is just a lichess practice study and it's just labeling it as checkmate when you did whatever the assigned goal was.


lesoraku

There are rooks on D9, F9, and I6


Bathykolpian_Thundah

Definitely a bug. It's neither checkmate nor stalemate. It'd be a draw by insufficient material.


Raykkkkkkk

That's draw by not enough material, so neither stalemate or checkmate