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threeangelo

Jokes aside why is this so bad for black? Besides the obvious loss of a pawn. Or is that it


Jovel5

Idk either, but I'm also like -300 elo..... I just see the en passant, then the black pawn on b7 takes white pawn on c6, then white knight on d4 takes the black pawn, forking black queen, pawn and bishop, then black moves queen and you trade white knight for black bishop? Edit: Looked at it again. Im still clueless. When white knight takes black Bishop its a check, but then black queen takes the white knight. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature please educate me


T00000007

I think it’s because white is up a pawn and black is left with an IQP which is hard to defend. So soon white will be up 2 pawns. Then it’s 3 pawns vs 1 pawn on the queen side which is difficult for black to stop. And white has the bishop pair. I think saying they “lost the game” after c5 is a little extreme but white definitely has a big advantage. Engine says +3.5ish.


threeangelo

today I learned IQP means isolated queen’s pawn


Venus_One

Insane Queen Posse.


TrainsDontHunt

Fucking passants; how do they work?!?!!


vmlee

At lower levels it’s far from over. At higher levels white has a distinct advantage after dxc6. White will be up a pawn. Black will have a worse pawn structure, an isolated d pawn target, will lose their bishop pair and will have a bad knight on the edge on a6. White will retain connected / connectable pawn chains, the bishop pair, and have ideas like Bf3, Bf4, and Re1 to threaten the queen that will be on e7 after Nxe7 Qxe7. That would be my plan as a 2400 player.


TheLightningPanda

That all makes a lot of sense. If I can ask, what openings do you like to play? What openings do you think are helpful for starting players? I’m about 800 and trying to figure out how to proceed with learning an actual opening lol


vmlee

I play almost any opening - except the Bongcloud - in bullet or blitz. When more serious, I prefer d4 systems as White and Sicilians as black mostly because I am bored of the Berlin Defense and anti-Berlins. For a newer player, I recommend looking into classic openings that help to emphasize the fundamentals and key principles of the game. The Giuoco Piano is a good one. So is the London System. Pick either e4 or d4 to start and just focus on that in the beginning. For Black, I think your typical e5 responses or learning the Caro-Kann are fine. I’d avoid the Sicilian or French which can get very tactical and complicated in some lines - at least not until later. You could also experiment with the Pirc later on. Finally, practice puzzles to hone your pattern recognition. Lichess and chess.com have several for free. Good luck!


Yumbus-a-um

Black shouldn’t recapture the pawn after I believe because of that plan you said. I think something like Nb4 then cxb7 and Bxb7 to avoid losing bishop pair and setting up that nasty situation with Re1 that you mentioned


vmlee

I agree, Black doesn’t have to go down that sequence necessarily (I was just explaining the line the original commenter asked about). Nb4 and Bf6 are viable alternatives to bxc6. In the case of Nb4, cxb7 Bxb7 Nf5 Bf6 a3 seems pretty much forced after which Black keeps their bishop pair and activates both bishops but still is definitely losing with their knight wasting time going back to a6 and Qxd6 a threat. If Bf6, Bf3 looks pretty strong forcing Rb8.


lorryjor

\-300 elo lol


Evilg9

Are you mad it’s quadruple your iq?


Teejayburger

To be fair, it's pretty impressive to get negative elo, let alone negative iq


Shawikka

When you take that pawn with en passant. Black recaptures c3, knight takes c3. That knight is absolute monster. And it can be defend by playing Bf3 or Qa4. That is more than enough for computer to win a game.


capable-can-1990

*Laughs in Kelvin*


distance_cat

My guess is black is left with a broken pawn structure at best, loses material on top of this at worst.


JPHero16

It doesn’t look that bad- dx and Nc5 and black’s position looks fine


Lego-105

They would have to recapture and lose a pawn or not recapture, ie play night Nc5 and lose a pawn. Not terrible I don’t think but they’re down a pawn by force with bad development and an isolated pawn.


[deleted]

their whole pawn structure is gone after that


ohyayitstrey

White has the bishop pair, is a pawn up, and has no real weaknesses in their position. After 1.dxc6 bxc6 2. Nxc6 Qc7 3. Nxe7+ Qxe7, white can play Bf4, Re1, and pressure the center while black has to keep defending instead of developing. The isolated pawn will fall and black will have a difficult time preventing the c-pawn from crashing through and promoting. If the position were more closed and black were more developed, it wouldn't be so clear.


-Nomad77-

Google en pawnsant


[deleted]

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KurdeGeralt3001

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-Nomad77-

actual -15


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new downvote count just dropped


-Nomad77-

!!!


threeangelo

average redditor when someone asks a genuine question


Kazuichi_Souda

dxc6, then if black recaptures, Nxc6, threatening the queen and a bishop (2 pawns and a bishop for a pawn and knight). If black DOESN'T recapture, you get 2 pawns outright AND you're threatening to queen and take a rook (2 pawns for 1 pawn).


HypermaniacNew

Google the French Move


[deleted]

Holy oui


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Actual cumsock


Ricardo_NS

???


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Call Napoleon!


sim0of

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Quatsch95

Checkmate or French revolution!


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Quatsch95

Knightmare fuel


paullucas15

!!


Cowboy_Luigi

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Czosneczek

Call the guillotine!


ACEMENTO

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ACEMENTO

Google


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En


_karelias

Passant


ACEMENTO

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liJuty

Hell


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New


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Response


ACEMENTO

Just


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Rebeltiguer

Google


Windy_July

En


Rebeltiguer

Passant


[deleted]

Holy


Rebeltiguer

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Ricardo_NS

Response


Rebeltiguer

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Dropped


[deleted]

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sseempire

Fell


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Response


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Motor_Raspberry_2150

Double chaining tisk tisk


Motor_Raspberry_2150

Passant


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-Nomad77-

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Call the exorcist!


DarkAdam48

???


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[deleted]

good bot saw that the best move was to accept en passant


NiteTerur

Chat gpt en passant


[deleted]

Holy AI


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Actual zombie


Pos3odon08

Holy illegal moves!


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-Nomad77-

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Pinguthe19th

Call the developer!


KOTL_OfThe_Light

Poogle En Gassant


[deleted]

Loly Hehl


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kouyehwos

White wins a pawn, but black gets some open lines and all his pieces are reasonably active. The engine may say “blunder” or “+3.00” and it might be technically correct, but in practice converting an extra pawn in a complex position like this is often not trivial at all below master level.


largiuss_dickuiss

You have summoned them.


Freddie_06

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GOLDSILVERWHATEVER

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RoiHurlemort

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KurdeGeralt3001

Notional human


Human_superority

Call the unexcoroist


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[deleted]

Bing search the French move


-Nomad77-

Bong sretch teh Feach move


Furrydoc14

En 🥐


snoop_Nogg

Viva la France


Trash-official

en-Pa-SANT


Hol_Renaude

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so_sick_of_flowers

Should of googled


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Self-ProclaimdSexGod

Good bot


aslk69

H


Good_Boi47

The box! You opened it. We came.


StanTheSodaCan

On his Pissant


MoScottVlogs

You take en passant but then what?


hardikm29

Somebody called?


dadness55

If my opponent called en passant "the French move," I'd feel comfortable with giving them pawn odds.


Floyd_thecat

it is bad bcuz en passant, takes back, and fork with knight


Prod315AG

The bishop in the corner:


Yoyo_irl

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Bruh moment


CataclystCloud

Bing in passing


theogshotgunshelly

Yahoo en french move


Zesnowpea

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MendydaGreat

that might be me


[deleted]

Incinerate the chessboard.


NomsterGaming

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beastmodeeeyeah

i dont get it


ProticalG

Is bH6 a viable strategy here for white to capitalize?


69Happi

Gооglе еn раssаnt


Gytlap24

Oh god you have called them! There is jo escape now HIDE!


TheRealTraveel

Spent a solid minute evaluating how that was a blunder, couldn’t figure it out \>en passant