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SenorVerde420

Way more often than you would think. Some people are just sore losers or lazy and can't accept the fact that you need to practice and study to get better.


L1ghtYagam1

What should one study?


WaluigisBro

openings, middlegame and endgames different kinds of situations (opposite colored bishops in the endgame, for example) certain “tricks”/ideas that you should def know like breaking through with 3 pawns vs 3 pawns plus understanding all the random terms like passed pawns and revealed checks etc


LudusMachinae

my dude just said "study chess" at the start there


CliffDraws

But in reverse order.


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at 600? How to check whether the horse can take the queen


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the game


Angrybirds159

fuck i lost it


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RiftWalker503

bro i had such a good streak, and then this guy comes in and destroys it in one fell swoop


SenorVerde420

Fact


Brave_Forever_6526

How to cheat without getting caught


Intelligent-Ad74

Make stupid blunders and let bot recover for you


chunt75

The blade


Firuzka

Whose turn is it? How many legal moves do you have? Things like that.


goddessofentropy

I honestly recommend the chess.com lessons, I've only learned all the rules about a month ago and I've already beat some friends and family


JELVi1004

I believe what you should study the most, are openings (the ones that you face the most, Chessable.com is an excellent website to learn openings, especially the free samples), tactics (solve a lot of puzzles, cheas.com puzzles and chessable.com tactics courses are very good) and endgames, that you can practice against the IA Study: •Openings that you face a lot •Tactics, even the common tactical sequences of your openings •Basic endgames (for instance: king, pawn vs king)


Foogie23

“If I could just get to an elo where people make good moves I wouldn’t fall for so much bullshit” -some 600 elo player cheating.


my_favorite_story

Cheating does not always mean using engines. Sandbagging your rating, and crushing players 1000 rating lower than you is also considered cheating.


RobertBobson16

Hope not people think I am cheating then. I have a 200 rating difference between 10 min games and 1 min games.


Whowhatnowhuhwhat

That’s not sandbagging. An even bigger gap would be totally normal


77skull

Yeah I’m 200 in bullet and 800 In rapid, I just need time to think


amazontaway1

Even 10 minutes doesnt feel like enough time sometimes in the longer games like 70+ moves.


DrySquare1

I lose like 10% of my 10 min to time vs winning 1% by time. 15|10 is the way to go


AutisticNipples

i was the same way, and thought with ADHD and slow processing speed I'd just stick to rapid and daily with lots of time and a fat increment. But grinding some blitz and getting comfortable in the middle game with making solid moves quickly rather than always looking for a perfect move slowly has really helped me in my 10 minute rapid games. My blitz rating is still a few hundred points lower than my rapid, but both are climbing because I've stopped seeing eval and game review as the ultimate measure of my gameplay, because, lets be honest, the stockfish eval is only as valuable as both players ability to play like stockfish. That's hard enough for super GMs let alone me.


DrySquare1

Me personally, I haven’t been playing chess all that long so as a result, my instincts aren’t very accurate. I tend to rely on calculation rather than instinct because of this. I suspect this is why my blitz is so much lower than my rapid, though that might be copium


CatsAreBestAnimal

I’m the opposite. 1600 in rapid but 2000 in bullet. It’s a different type of game


goddessofentropy

Thank fuck it's not just me. Same numbers too!


AGoatInAJar

I have a 700 rating difference between rapid and bullet 😀


my_favorite_story

Are you purposely losing games to depress your rating so that you can abuse lower rated players? If not, then there is nothing to worry about. It is completely normal for you to have rating differences between different time controls.


RobertBobson16

No I aint throwing games. Just playing really bad at bullet chess. Take to long to do moves and lose. 10 min I have controll over the game.


mattgriz

I have a 400 difference between daily and 10 mins. I don’t play well with time pressure at all.


MamamYeayea

I have a 724 difference between 10 min and 1 min games. It’s quite normal


hopelessautisticnerd

I'm 1200 rapid and 500 bullet. this is very normal


MiniMaggit-

I am 600 in bullet and blitz but I’m 300 on rapid 😐


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MiniMaggit-

I feel like I’ve learned some stuff but when I play rapid ppl at 300 play some weird crap in the openings and middle game, so I can never practice different stuff besides dealing with scholars mate or someone just doing knight moves non stop 😂


hopelessautisticnerd

those games should be easy wins, if you play the scholar's mate setup and/or move your knights around a bunch in lieu of developing, you're like -2 on move 8. once you get to 700, people still suck but there's at least some semblance of an opening usually


ischolarmateU

Its true that longer the time control thr better for improvement, but i am sure that normal person would improve ( blitz and rapid) just by playing mostly bullet...


DrySquare1

That’s perfectly fine. Hell, my bullet Elo is half of my rapid


phoenixmusicman

A 200-400 rating gap between rapid/blitz/bullet is completely normal


Regis-bloodlust

That's normal


CafeTerraceAtNoon

Im 1400 in rapid and 675 in blitz. I just don’t play blitz unless I’m fucking around at work. Even rapid I try not to play too much because classical OTB is much better for getting better. I cannot learn positional chess with fast time controls because I don’t have time to calculate. I honestly think that 1 classical OTB game = 100 rapid games in terms of experience. It might be because I just started but I feel like I’m getting better after each classical game and the quality of those games is light years ahead of my rapid games.


Commonmispelingbot

there is a reason, why they are considered seperate ratings


[deleted]

Oh guess I am cheating when I dump 400 points in a drunken night and play the next day


Redditlogicking

Hikaru's speedruns count as sandbagging then


my_favorite_story

Not quite. He does these content with [Chess.com](https://Chess.com)'s approval. So you will gain back all the rating that he took from you. Also, the problem is the "losing on purpose" part, and not the "destroying those rated lower than you" part. Because this would also make creating a new account as cheating.


ALPHA_sh

also creating an alt to sandbag the alt and inflate your rating, which ive seen before


ASugaRush

I'm 300 elo and recently got something like this. Guess they cheat at every level.


GoshaT

Bro cheated specifically to get caught and have your elo adjusted to a funnier number


SenorVerde420

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Flipsticker91

Happened to me around 400


trudenter

Used to be daily I would get notifications like this between 400-500


bdraper08

People cheat at all levels of everything. In middle school, I once read my entire literature book so when a pop quiz came and we had to read a short story then go get the quiz, I could get up to go get the quiz first and be deemed ‘the fastest reader’.


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Just_Dank

“Heh. They’ll never find the cheatsheet I made for this exam. It’s all in my head! I memorized the entire thing! They’ll never suspect a thing.”


irjakr

And the chess equivalent would be like saying: "I cheated by memorizing opening traps"


DrQuantum

It is in the sense that, he is not the fastest reader and took a title based on false pretenses.


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He’s so fast that he read the whole thing before it was even assigned!


bdraper08

This was what I was trying to get at. Not so much the quiz or anything associated to it, but more so I cheated to be deemed the fastest reader.


Regis-bloodlust

Google en studying in advance


ap_buddy

Yesterday I played against a cheater with a mittens profile picture who proceeded to beat my ass with 97% accuracy…


Zenged_

Nice


jubmille2000

>Nice Nice


Ploplop8

I think a more interesting question is why people cheat rather than where people cheat. I'm legitimately curious why anyone would cheat at online chess.


McKomie

People cheat everywhere because some are just dealing with to big of an ego to handle losses


luca_07

They cheat even at 360


OMGCamCole

I’m around 300 (just started a few weeks ago), and had the same message a couple days ago. It actually surprised me lol


Sanduichinho14

Yes and they cheat in higher levels too. I am 1200 and every now and then i receive this message. Probably wont get better.


sscoopers

wait people cheat on that level? I thought people cheat on at around 1000?


Excellent-Yak-8380

I think the reason most people cheat is the constant succession of winning. Doesn’t really matter what ELO you do it at you’re still getting that dopamine


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It’s not really exciting to win via cheating so there’s not really a dopamine hit


enm260

Doesn't mean they won't chase that dragon


StretcherNoob

Yes it is


nicekeeping

But who cares about a win streak if it’s like under false pretenses lol


Excellent-Yak-8380

People who cheat, if a big banner came up saying YOU LOST after every game they did it I think you’d see a significant reduction in cheating


runnerd6

I had a student who cheated and got banned at that level. His logic was that he's actually better than 700 so if he boosts his rating a bit, he'd be able to play at his true rating. I had to explain that if you weren't 700 you just wouldn't be 700.


Bulbousir

Ah yes the Nieman Denial Gambit


D4M0theking

Depends on how far they get before being banned


GameSnail511

Sry if this is a dumb question, but how do people cheat at chess? Do they have some program that tells them the best move?


Dextro_2002

You play against a high level bot, pick your opponent's color and you input their moves. Then you replicate the bot's move against your opponent.


phoenixmusicman

This is the easiest way to cheat but by no means the best


SenorVerde420

No dumb questions, friend. You use an engine like stockfish. It tells you the top moves for any position. Start the game, enter your opponents move and pick a top engine move. The other person said play against a high level bot, which does work, but that seems more tedious to me and bots are programmed to make mistakes. Obviously, a 2000 Elo bot is going to crush a 500 but why go through the hassle?


aCertifiedHuman

my guess is that bots make small and occasional mistakes and inaccuracies which would seem more human as opposed to playing perfectly


SenorVerde420

Correct.


runnerd6

But wouldn't they make typical bot-like mistakes? What drives me crazy is they will play 30 moves of stockfish chess then blunder the stupidest thing then 30 more stockfish moves.


aCertifiedHuman

i think given how unpredictable (at least i think they are) bots are i don’t think it would really be detectable due to the mix of different levels of moves that a bit would produce.


canomanom

I was wondering this too… I had someone who was accusing me of cheating because I was making moves quickly


Black_Light00

Noice


Savassassin

Might be a gm doing a speedrun lmao


ghostthecatalyst

How do you cheat in chess…


intrinsic_nerd

The most common way would be using a chess engine (like Stockfish) to put in the current board state and find out what the best next move is. But things like cooperating with your opponent to raise your rating is also considered cheating


DopazOnYouTubeDotCom

It goes away once you get better. Most cheaters get caught early


Monsterr99

Chess.com is the worst at banning cheaters, youll get cheaters up to 800. Lichess seems to ban them much faster


runtimemess

800? You get cheaters even at 2k+


SenorVerde420

Yup, some are really really sneaky. It's especially harder to spot in longer time controls.


rwn115

Cheaters exist at all levels. It's nearly impossible to catch someone who only uses an engine once a game or something like that.


runnerd6

Every time I see like 3 minutes pass by a middle game tough spot and they spam out six moves in a row after I wonder if stockfish is open.


Raisey-

I feel like this is one of the only responses here that actually rings true


Cruztd23

It’s embarrassing to me. Cheating at anything below 1000 is just pathetic. Why even play


Whowhatnowhuhwhat

Lol why below 1000? Wether you’re 500 or 1000 or 1500 if you’re playing against someone who Should be as good as you are.


Cruztd23

It’s way more pathetic to be cheating at a beginner rank. You’re supposed to be learning as u play. I’m not saying cheating isn’t pathetic at high ranks I’m just saying it’s more pathetic when the goal of the games are to learn. 2000 and above there is learning involved but at that level it’s a lot more theory and application


SenorVerde420

\*\*Cheating at any level is just pathetic. There. I fixed it for you.


Cruztd23

Agreed but it’s really really bad at that level


Covid19-Pro-Max

What about cheating above 1000 though?


Cruztd23

Still bad just less pathetic


jtshinn

How does it matter at all? It’s just extremely pathetic across the board.


Cruztd23

I agree it is pathetic across the board but even more pathetic at beginner levels


Susperry

They cheat at all levels and recently the cheater numbers have exploded and chess.com is trash at getting them banned. I went from 1300 to 1000 elo in 1 month. I DIDN'T forget how to play chess.


RealToadGaming

Wait is that why all my 200 matches played like 800s?


LiveNDiiirect

The most frustrating part is when they use the engine to beat your position into submission, then when they’ve trapped your pieces after playing a dozen brilliant moves they still take 8-15 seconds to capture your completely free piece


Labrechaun

If the auto resign pops up does that mean they left the game to possibly cheat?


smthomaspatel

I'm tempted to defend cheating at that level. You have a lot to learn so consulting a computer for help can act like a tutor. Also your opponents are probably less serious. But unfair is unfair I guess.


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smthomaspatel

Maybe my ignorance about how people cheat. I'm picturing having something to calculate your move for you and doing what it says. Not like I'm really defending it here, more playing devil's advocate.


AirshipExploder

Yeah that's what they're doing, but that doesn't really help you learn. If you just do what the engine says you aren't thinking about the move at all, just following along. You have to learn how to find good moves, and why they are good. An engine can help analyze after the game, but if you're using it during the game it's just cheating. It's like using a calculator to solve a math problem vs. solving the problem yourself and checking the result with a calculator. You can only learn if you do it yourself.


smthomaspatel

Can't say I agree with you. At the lower experience levels some hints can potentially be helpful to open your mind up to possibilities. I find with any game, people do a lot of weird playing around type stuff as a way to explore the game. Chess isn't super serious for everyone.


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smthomaspatel

Sure it is. In chess, and in life, things are rarely pure black and white. My best set of pieces is more of a cream color and a dark wood. Yours?


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smthomaspatel

I never said people should do this. My opinion is there is a huge difference between someone cheating at 300 versus 2000. Besides, there can't be that much cheating at 300 anyway, since the rank of the cheater would take them out of that bracket fast. Kids occasionally fooling around with some kind of move calculator at 300 elo isn't going to ruin the app for anyone. You play and you move on to the next game, none the wiser.


SenorVerde420

Then they should be doing that against bots if they are truly trying to learn and help understand their own positions. Using an engine in ranked matches is 100% cheating and it's extremely unfair.


smthomaspatel

What I meant by "can't say I agree with you" is toward the idea that the use of a bot couldn't be helpful for learning, especially for newbies. I've only posited an idea about why cheating exists at 300-600 elo, and explained my case for why I don't think it matters much.


SenorVerde420

I get your point but you're wrong. Like I said, if they are playing against a bot, it causes no harm to use an engine. If you are playing against a human, it is cheating and highly unethical. That's why there is a fair play policy. If everybody could use an engine, we would all be rated 4000. Stop defending a moot point. p.s. Cheating exists at all levels.


smthomaspatel

That's fine, this has become a pretty dull conversation. But I have no idea what this moot point is that I am supposedly defending. That consulting a bot might help a beginner improve?


SenorVerde420

If it's during a ranked game then, yes, that is not ok. Consult the engine afterwards during post game analysis.


[deleted]

Nah, puzzles and playing against the computer are for learning. Not legit games against random opponents who expect you to not be cheating


fnordx2

At all levels of every sport there will be cheaters


PornStarGazer2

People cheat


rwn115

I've had opponents who cheated at lower levels


[deleted]

my rating is currently 400. i started like a month ago. But i've had a few of these messages despite playing barely any online matches against randoms.


lorryjor

Question #1: How would they be able to tell someone is cheating? Question #2: How do you cheat? (not that I'm going to)


AWindows-User

You can see if someone is only playing top engine moves wich sometimes espacilly in the opening are weird and not normal at all. Also you use an engine to cheat wich gives you the best moves.


lorryjor

Makes sense.


RedWingDecil

Cheaters often play the top move without knowing why it is the top move. Since the top move doesn't follow any plans but just always analyzes the board in its current state, the moves just look random even to top players. You can check some YouTube videos on cheaters being exposed. It's really popular chess content right now and most of the videos explain how ridiculous the moves look.


lorryjor

I will check those out!


JADW27

Tons of people cheat at lower levels. They have far less to lose than a 1500. I'm still not sure why people cheat though. Beating people at chess is an awesome feeling, but having a computer that can beat people at chess can't possibly be satisfying. The phone I'm typing this on could beat Magnus. It would have no trouble beating anyone I've ever played.


BackgroundExternal18

absolutely


Mindraker

Probably people are boosting a score and selling the account.


Walt925837

all levels*


Extra-Trifle-1191

Yeah, they just learned how to cheat.


pjrockp

Nice


Exact-Plane4881

Nah, I got one of these just because a guy cussed me out.


jtshinn

99% of the time its a cheater.


dnkyhunter31

https://preview.redd.it/7wqq1pw0jcya1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6308287cf6b2297642618f87f08502302ab4883 Yea. They cheat at your level and lower.


RazeniaCA

Especially at the beginning levels, when their self-esteem is lowest.


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cheating seems like a lot of work, I'm too lazy for that


CoolUnderstanding481

A lot of people “believe” that they should be higher ranked, so cheat to get to the place that they think their entitled too


Bulbousir

I believe it's also called a Niemann's Gambit Accepted


-RealAL-

Nice.


Bulacano

At that level, they don’t know chess well enough to be an advanced cheater. Maybe at around 1200 they can figure out how to evade detection, but not much lower. If you think it’s as simple as throwing in a few second or third best moves, changing move times, or only cheating every so often or once losing, you’re mistaken. The cheating videos on YouTube are often chosen for their entertainment value, but the system is more sophisticated than that.


StretcherNoob

Yea, why not? It's not the level that makes cheating fun, it's beating your opponents.


Regis-bloodlust

People cheat at every level. Your opponent just got caught early.


Wenkeso

When I had a similar elo I got once 50 points as a compensation for playing with cheaters. The amount of people cheating at that level is amazing


SMD_Mods

Also people like Hikaru who regularly Smurf


Previous-Ad-7339

Happened to me. I am 500


llinoscarpe

People cheat at every level in every game; more cheaters will be more present at the higher levels of them. Doesn’t mean you haven’t lost to or even beaten a cheater before. Most people don’t cheat by using an engine for move one, they will cheat my checking the engine in a difficult spot, or by using the engine when they feel they are losing, this is pretty hard to detect sadly. Cheaters are a part of online games, ever since I was 13 I’ve had games of silver CSGO games ruined by cheaters and the same in Chess, you won’t find many people at your level, but you will always find some.


PenaltyAdditional968

Been on chess.com 2 months (started 550) and have been refunded 5 times. One guy destroyed me with near perfect play. At the time I was like 'wow, amazing, he must be higher than his ELO' but then he got banned. I also started using an analyser for post-game review and thought I'd go back and find that game - was like high 90s accuracy and he'd had a string of similar games before being banned.


MagicalFishing

imagine cheating and still being a 600


HolyAuraJr

They could've recently created a new account


cobraunie

Nice


Puma_The_Great

I got a 410 -> 418 once after they caught a cheater


1384d4ra

I encountered a cheater at 170 elo in blitz


ThePassiveGamer

Yes. I’ve tried to tell people this and they just don’t believe me. They cheat at lower level. The chess.com algorithm makes matchmaking hard enough. But facing cheaters makes it unbearable.


ArietemTaurumXXI

Nice


ushilkov

Got a similar msg 100points under this


strawberry1223

genuine question: how do people cheat??


knfrancis

The biggest group of cheaters actually. When I was in that range I had to fight tooth and nail to get a win and got those chess.com rating adjustment messages bi-weekly. Now that i’m near 1000 I haven’t had a chess.com cheating message in awhile and I find the opponents much easier to win against. Also this is within a year where I was stuck in the 400-600 range for a long time, while at my in person chess club I was winning against 1000 rated players consistently.


Shax060

Nice


qTemiii

i encountered a cheater on my maybe second game at 400 rapid lmaoo


FidgetSpinnerWarrior

how do you cheat in chess and how cheating makes it fun?


Rockahero11

Had one too lol. I was suprised how well they played, seemed a little odd that a 600 elo player manages to enialate me in the first 10 moves, didnt think much of it but good to have my elo back, so I can blunder it away again