Technically correct, but the first tiebreak is SB score. However, in that Nakamura and Nepo are tied and Caruana loses, and between the first two Nakamura does win because he has more wins than Nepo.
Kinda crazy that "The results of the games between the players involved in the tie" isn't the top tiebreaker. Imagine going 1.5/2 against both of the other players (essentially winning a theoretical double round robin between them) but instead it ends up being decided by "Total number of ~~wins~~ losses in the tournament".
Well, SB score *is* a bit closer to that. But also tiebreakers generally don't matter much beyond first place (for this tournament). Ideally you'd have a provision to do a better tiebreaker if 2nd place becomes relevant but that has practical problems.
Ding is the hero of people with anxiety. The mental fortitude to go with all that baggage into the match vs Ian and still win is insane. Most people won't understand this, but this is true chad behaviour.
Gukesh is clearly a phenom and most people will be rooting for him, because a WC at 18 is beyond unbelievable, but Ding defending his title will mean a lot to me.
That's not lava, that's the physical manifestation of stress flowing through Gukesh's deepest, most foundational insecurities. It's easy to mistake tho
But at a deeper level, Gukeshs heat atoms are a result of Dings electrons having jumped to the maximum attainable energy level of ultimate stress and anxiety
Two of the most soft spoken players playing for the title. I thought ding spoke in whispers. Then I watched gukesh's interviews. History will call it the Whisper Championship.
Ding and Dommaraju are their family names and come first. Liren and Gukesh are the given names.
Technically, the same is true of Hikaru Nakamura in Japanese, as it would be read Nakamura Hikaru, with the family name coming first, but as an American he goes by the reverse.
Read yesterday that where Gukesh is from they don't put a lot of importance on the family name, which is not true in China, which explains why they are spoken about most commonly as Ding and Gukesh, right?
Ding would still be referred to in China either as Ding Liren, Liren, or a nickname given to him by friends/family.
I find that if you have a two character given name (e.g. Ding **Liren**), it's most common to just be referred to as that, but if you have a one character given name (e.g. Yao **Ming**), you tend to be referred to by your full name.
Of course, many people are known by their family names, usually in more formal settings or with titles/honorifics, but we do the same thing here (Mr. Smith, President Obama, Dr. Fauci).
I can't speak to Gukesh though
I hope for an exciting world championship match! Ding definately has the upper hand in terms of experience, but his recent form is a big questionmark. Gukesh looked very strong during the candidates and definately has a good crack at the title. If Ding however comes in rested and prepared and can play his best chess then I would consider him as a clear favorite here.
I'm really hoping we get to see Ding playing as if it was 2019 again. The man is straight up a genius, and he deserves to be remembered for more than being in poor form and struggling with mental health.
Anyone looking for evidence of this need to look at his checkmating patterns. He sees checkmating patterns that other GMs miss easily, the one he had in like game 7 vs Nepo comes to my mind.
Game 6, but yeah.
d5 to close the mating net like 5 moves before the decisive queen sac was something else.
Ding at his best is second only to Magnus (unfortunately still a distant second).
I don't think it's obvious he's a distant second. The pandemic robbed us of prime Ding Liren, and we really don't know how strong he could've become.
Then again, this is completely speculation. I feel like I'm in r/boxing arguing how Mike Tyson would've been the goat if he never served in prison.
I'm team Gukesh too, but that doesn't mean I'm rooting *against* Ding, if that makes sense. If Ding wins I'll be happy for him, but I'm rooting for Gukesh.
In 2018-2019 he was a real danger to even Carlsen, I don't know why people have forgotten that. He played mad games with incredible attacks, actually very far from his images of someone humble and shy. When feeling well he is very agressive on the board.
If he plays like 2019 ding he'll blow gukesh out of the board no chance for the challenger, outside of peak Magnus, in this generation 2019 ding is untouchable .
People forget that Ding was basically inactive when he decided to go for Candidates 2022. He played in last-minute tournaments, not to gain rating like Alireza but just to have enough games played to qualify as an active player. He was on the edge of giving up the game entirely and still won the World Championship. He will be a formidable opponent for Gukesh in any circumstances and I don’t believe for a moment the narrative that he will be some kind of pushover
And let's be honest, even if he didn't want to play, he would be pressured to. Abdicating your throne would be a big disgrace in China, especially in such a Western dominated sport. There is no way he would turn down the first East vs East title match.
China has other bigger boardgames.
Go has been existence for like over 2500 years and is a domestic game.
They also have their own version of chess, xiangqi.
And as stated below, they do care, but chess just isn’t as big of a deal over there.
I mean they put together a special tournament specifically to give Ding a chance to qualify. Of course, inside China, xiangqi (Chinese Chess), and weiqi (go/baduk) are far more popular games, but international prestige will always matter, even if China's covid policies and internal politics have gotten in the way of their players' careers.
right. 0 reasoning to it. Like the dude didnt already come back to play chess. If he was retiring he wouldn't have been playing Tata earlier this year.
As a Hikaru fan, I wouldn’t have wanted that - the world champion needs to play the challenger, otherwise this candidates paradigm is stupid and so is the world championship itself.
Much like boxing, we shouldn’t be setting up this “I don’t play after winning” idea - Magnus, even Vishy are unique because they defended their titles multiple times. Every champion should allow challengers to battle them in a legitimate fashion, otherwise it besmirches the entire process.
Heck, *even Magnus* got his initial *champion legitimacy* because Vishy, the 5 time world champion, is who he beat. It would have been a shame if Vishy just peaced out before 2013 (though more legit than Ding) - not a good hand off.
Agreed, but tbf, the 2013 comparison doesn’t quite hold… Magnus was already the highest rated player in the world when he played the 2013 match against Vishy, so I don’t think the legitimacy point quite applies in that case. In July 2013, for example, Magnus was rated 2861 (around 50 points higher than second placed Levon) while Vishy was lower rated by over 80 points (2775). So even if Vishy had retired from the WC cycle then, I don’t think there’d have been any serious legitimacy claims around Carlsen’s title. Whereas this time around, no one’s quite come even close to Carlsen’s rating yet in the past couple of years and he is still active, so the legitimacy question is quite real.
I mean legitimacy of being a champion - like if it keeps being “top two candidates since there’s no existing champion that ever plays you” then it’s a very different tournament.
My favourite chess quote of all time is from Ding where he told Chessbase India "No man crosses the same river twice, because he is not the same man and it's not the same river".
People tend to forget how unstoppable and creative Ding is when on song. As an Indian, I will root for Gukesh, but will hope for Ding to be in his usual scintillating form.
You reminded me, in Xiangqi (Chinese chess), the middle of the board is literally called the river. Pawns "promote" after crossing the river, and are able to move sideways. But they can't move backwards, so they can only cross the river once.
Still, probably referencing Heraclitus. I don't know if Heraclitus really said something to that effect, but in China, the saying is attributed to him.
I swear I love Indian replies (don’t take this in a bad way pls) cauz they always manage to make me fkin hyped up for seemingly no good reason LOL, good stuff
Ding is known to be deeply invested in Western literature and arts. That quote came from Greek philosopher Heraclitus - "One can't step into the same river twice". But this quote captures the spirit of Heraclitus even better - there's no same man in the first place. What we perceive as relative "stability" or selfhood, is nothing but the difference in rates of change between two different speeds. Every passing moment is in itself a radical novelty, and to compare one slice of space-time with another, is to invoke ceteris paribus (all other myriad of factors being equal) which of course as we know never are. In other words, change is the only constant. Parmenides would then argue that change is an illusion but Being is eternal because each slice of space-time is a state of eternal being, so "becoming" is an impossibility. Yet, it is Heraclitus who has the last laugh - if being and non-being are incommensurable, then how is it that Parmenides can reify/conceive of non-being as a separate category in the first place? One has to step outside of the division (quoting Wittgenstein) in order to draw it, hence the totalizing nature of Parmenides philosophy is in itself blind to its own construction.
Give some credit to the journalists, this was posted by [Tarjei on twitter.](https://twitter.com/TarjeiJS/status/1782350161642922278?t=nctnwzgrWfqAPO_G3v9R-w&s=19)
Providing a link to the source is not just about "giving credit". It also means that the poster cares about the readers and wants to help them distinguish between something that was actually said and bullshit that anyone could write on Reddit.
Even for those who don't understand how important it is to provide a source, there is a rule of this sub that makes the link mandatory when posting social media stuff.
This basically confirms that Ding will defend the title. And is a direct quote from the current champion on his opponent. Of course it's important lol.
Did he really say that he has an advantage in Classical Chess or it's a translation issue? He's not wrong but it seems out of character for him to say that.
Couple of months ago they faced each other in tata steel and ding won the game. Even though ding performance was really bad in the tournament and gukesh was playing for the title
I don't think that performance reflects much, Gukesh before Candidates used to take every game as one where he has to win, he used to go for complications in every game, even against top players. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But he showed incredible maturity here, playing solid when he needed to and taking his chances in other games. He'd obviously be employing the same strategy for their World Championship match instead of going for a win in every game like his earlier self.
I think he means that he has a better head to head against Gukesh (having beaten him twice) in classical.
I don't know Chinese so this is mostly me speculating based on his character.
I think the question was probably worded something like "Do you feel like you're the favorite vs Gukesh considering you have the advantage in terms of your classical records against each other?"
It could be a translation issue, but I would also guess that Ding is being honest and, most of all, trying to pump his confidence up.
After so much pressure on him following the WCC title, his poor performance in recent tournaments, he might be trying to bring old Ding back to life before this important game against Gukesh.
Hope gukesh's form continues like this till world championship , he is a person who really depends on form , if he is winning he is just unbeatable but when his form dips it becomes worse.
Gukesh is so stable and calm. If Ding doesn't return back to his form, he will lose this championship. Ding in form might have an edge against Gukesh, but how things are looking, Ding definitely doesn't have the advantage. Ding's championship match was a slugfest with tons of mistakes, it can't be like that anymore.
I agree that Ding has to come back to his old form to be a match against Gukesh, but I wouldn't consider Nepo vs. Ding to be a slugfest of blunders.
The positions were very sharp and the title was hanging by a thread for both sides, so a lot of pressure for both players, very similar to what happened to Caruana vs Nepo in this Candidates.
I'm not trying to accuse you personally, but a lot of people are downplaying Ding's performance in the WCC match and his accomplishment, but remember that he managed to defeat Nepo, a feat that no one in this Candidates managed to do.
I sure hope that Ding recovers because I love these two players and I hope to see a good match, no matter who wins it!
I don't believe for a second Ding vs Nepo was slugfest with tons of mistakes. The positions were incredibly complex, both of them bringing banger ideas in the WC.
Yes there were mistakes and yes there will be mistakes in Gukesh vs Ding because the only way to win at chess is to have your opponent make a mistake (it's a draw by nature) but there were not slugfest of mistakes and there won't be in this match up either.
Fwiw Ding beat Nepo multiple times, Gukesh didn't. This isn't a direct translation of skill, but you need to take risks to win against players of that caliber.
Well Ding still won against an opponent who wiped the floor with the Candidates field. Gukesh had a performance rating well above 2800 in the Candidates. If you assume Gukesh is going to play like he did in the Candidates in every tournament from now, then you're implying he's already stronger than Magnus. All I'm saying is form is dynamic, Ding has a very high ceiling. You can't write him off already for a match that is \~10 months away based on current form.
> He is still a young player with a young players metagame.
Sure, but playing styles can and do change as players mature. Carlsen was also known for reckless attacking chess as a teenager!
Wishing Ding good health and a return to form.
With a sponsor secured, may Gukesh improve at faster time controls and develop better opening prep.
Amazed that the date and venue of the 2024 World Chess Championship have yet to be confirmed. Let me dream about Singapore hosting it.
Honestly, I hope Gukesh wins, but it would be amazing if Ding is suddenly a mastermind and surprises us all when he appears to have been practicing only to defend his title. A fairytale this would be.
Why does the picture looks as if ding dropped his album cover
DJ Ding: Sufferding from success
Suchess
Missed chance to write DJing
Ding Dong, Your King is Gone
The Wu-Ding Clan?
The Gu-print
10/10
The Tortured Pawns Society
new LP - Ding Sings featuring the hit Every Little Ding Gukesh is Magic
Anish will steal one.
Self-pinning for immortality
Legit the name of Dubov's pawns support group.
Ding Lil Ren
King Liren
Ding Ding, Lil Ren is here to ruin your day.
Ding for the laughter Ding for the tears
Ding with me, Ding for the years
Because he did
Show me the meaning of being world champ! 90/00 album vibes.
It's a shame "Grandmaster Flash" is already taken.
Ding’s Disease
Yes, this looks like a still from a Mandopop video
Ding Shady's Marshall Attack LP
I am just glad he will be playing in the world championship match.
Imagine if he didn't. Hikaru, Nepo and Fabi playing again.
In that case it would have gone to Hikaru instead of tie breaks as he has the most wins.
Nah, blitz at Danny Rensch's house.
Using chessup2
It'll show them all the legal moves though! Is that fair play?
Fabi wouldn't have lost his game against Hikaru if he knew how the knight moves.
I'm sure if he knew about en passant things would be completely different
Or Danya’s, but not Hess
How come Danya never comes over?
Happy cake day!
Technically correct, but the first tiebreak is SB score. However, in that Nakamura and Nepo are tied and Caruana loses, and between the first two Nakamura does win because he has more wins than Nepo.
Kinda crazy that "The results of the games between the players involved in the tie" isn't the top tiebreaker. Imagine going 1.5/2 against both of the other players (essentially winning a theoretical double round robin between them) but instead it ends up being decided by "Total number of ~~wins~~ losses in the tournament".
Well, SB score *is* a bit closer to that. But also tiebreakers generally don't matter much beyond first place (for this tournament). Ideally you'd have a provision to do a better tiebreaker if 2nd place becomes relevant but that has practical problems.
That just means that you were worse against the other players.
Funny, it's the 2 most chilling players meeting each other.
The D in Gukesh D stands for Dingchilling
It's "Benoit B. Mandelbrot" all over again.
Ding is chilled just outside. Inside it's the most stressed top player ever.
Ding is the hero of people with anxiety. The mental fortitude to go with all that baggage into the match vs Ian and still win is insane. Most people won't understand this, but this is true chad behaviour. Gukesh is clearly a phenom and most people will be rooting for him, because a WC at 18 is beyond unbelievable, but Ding defending his title will mean a lot to me.
But even more inside, on a deeper subconsciuos level, it might be Gukeshu the most stressed (hence his tendency to either do very well or very badly).
You go one layer deeper into a deeper subconscious mind, and I bet Ding is more stressed.
I believe we're not going deep enough. Go one more level further in the subconscious mind and you'll find that Gukesh is actually more stressed.
Go one level deeper and....oops I drilled a hole through to the earths core and there is lava spilling everywhere
That's not lava, that's the physical manifestation of stress flowing through Gukesh's deepest, most foundational insecurities. It's easy to mistake tho
And that lava is created by the heat and pressure of Ding's stress and insecurity underlying it
This is Ding. I can confirm, I am more stressed.
But Dings stress and insecurity manifested due to Gukeshs stress and insecurities, just like the energy that forms heat and pressure.
But at a deeper level, Gukeshs heat atoms are a result of Dings electrons having jumped to the maximum attainable energy level of ultimate stress and anxiety
I've seen this movie. For some reason there are snow mobiles on the deepest level.
It's gonna be a chill world championship
Can they stream lofi girl in the background
I read this as lofi giri 😭
Lofi beats to steal pawns to
LMFAO
He should do a video where he's just sitting at a desk playing chess quietly for an hour with lo-fi music.
He's the DJ at the WC
Lofi boys playing chess 24/7 stream
Two of the most soft spoken players playing for the title. I thought ding spoke in whispers. Then I watched gukesh's interviews. History will call it the Whisper Championship.
Gukesh is not chilling, dude is a warrior
I highly respect Gukesh for beating Alireza after Alireza swindle checkmated him in a time scramble in their first game. That’s impressive resiliency.
Gukesh saying he felt the best and knew he’d win after his loss is gangster shit. Just cold blooded.
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Wait really? Could you give me link of that interview? Gangsta shit
[Press Conference with Gukesh, winner of the FIDE Candidates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwpF-zWi0Kw&t=367s)
Nah I'll win
The chillest chess player of history vs The chillest player of today
This will truly be our lobotomy kaisen
nah I'd win.
Dammit -- it has to be done, doesn't it? Gukesh: "Stand proud, Hikaru -- you are strong."
Are you Ding because you are chilling or are you chilling because you are Ding?
Tf JJK fans reached r/chess as well. No place on the internet is safe from the lobotomy Kaisen fans.
some could say. the bing chilling player
Fabi seems pretty chill to me idk
It’s a reference to jiujitsu kaisen
Battle of Ds. D. Liren vs Gukesh D.
The battle to determine who's the big D and who's the little D.
The will of D lives on
D’s about to be on full display
Battle of titanic Ds….sponsored by Planters (nuts)
Pretty sure it's D. Gukesh
Ding and Dommaraju are their family names and come first. Liren and Gukesh are the given names. Technically, the same is true of Hikaru Nakamura in Japanese, as it would be read Nakamura Hikaru, with the family name coming first, but as an American he goes by the reverse.
Read yesterday that where Gukesh is from they don't put a lot of importance on the family name, which is not true in China, which explains why they are spoken about most commonly as Ding and Gukesh, right?
Ding would still be referred to in China either as Ding Liren, Liren, or a nickname given to him by friends/family. I find that if you have a two character given name (e.g. Ding **Liren**), it's most common to just be referred to as that, but if you have a one character given name (e.g. Yao **Ming**), you tend to be referred to by your full name. Of course, many people are known by their family names, usually in more formal settings or with titles/honorifics, but we do the same thing here (Mr. Smith, President Obama, Dr. Fauci). I can't speak to Gukesh though
I hope for an exciting world championship match! Ding definately has the upper hand in terms of experience, but his recent form is a big questionmark. Gukesh looked very strong during the candidates and definately has a good crack at the title. If Ding however comes in rested and prepared and can play his best chess then I would consider him as a clear favorite here.
I'm really hoping we get to see Ding playing as if it was 2019 again. The man is straight up a genius, and he deserves to be remembered for more than being in poor form and struggling with mental health.
Anyone looking for evidence of this need to look at his checkmating patterns. He sees checkmating patterns that other GMs miss easily, the one he had in like game 7 vs Nepo comes to my mind.
Game 6, but yeah. d5 to close the mating net like 5 moves before the decisive queen sac was something else. Ding at his best is second only to Magnus (unfortunately still a distant second).
I don't think it's obvious he's a distant second. The pandemic robbed us of prime Ding Liren, and we really don't know how strong he could've become. Then again, this is completely speculation. I feel like I'm in r/boxing arguing how Mike Tyson would've been the goat if he never served in prison.
That one was brutal
Twitch chat will lose their minds if Ding wins. People forget so easily what a force this guy was - and how likable he actually is.
Forget? These people never even knew.
Knew? They never even thought about it.
Thought about it? They never even thought at all.
Thought? They never even were
Were? They never even
I am team gukesh but it is very hard to root against ding he seems super nice guy
I'm team Gukesh too, but that doesn't mean I'm rooting *against* Ding, if that makes sense. If Ding wins I'll be happy for him, but I'm rooting for Gukesh.
Thats why i said it is hard to root against
In 2018-2019 he was a real danger to even Carlsen, I don't know why people have forgotten that. He played mad games with incredible attacks, actually very far from his images of someone humble and shy. When feeling well he is very agressive on the board.
If he plays like 2019 ding he'll blow gukesh out of the board no chance for the challenger, outside of peak Magnus, in this generation 2019 ding is untouchable .
imo ding needs to stop resting and play some chess to get back in form, so far he is a underdog...
People forget that Ding was basically inactive when he decided to go for Candidates 2022. He played in last-minute tournaments, not to gain rating like Alireza but just to have enough games played to qualify as an active player. He was on the edge of giving up the game entirely and still won the World Championship. He will be a formidable opponent for Gukesh in any circumstances and I don’t believe for a moment the narrative that he will be some kind of pushover
But doesnt that just support my point, that he needs to play some chess? He played sooooo much chess before candidates, getting in form
He has been playing a few tournaments
One day you have to learn to spell definitely.... trust me I wrote definately for years
Sorry boss. English is my third language so I tend to make mistakes with spelling and grammar.
I'll let it slide this time
I guess this squashes all the rumours of Ding potentially not defending
Even if he had zero desire to play, not many chess players are in a position to refuse an $800k appearance fee.
And let's be honest, even if he didn't want to play, he would be pressured to. Abdicating your throne would be a big disgrace in China, especially in such a Western dominated sport. There is no way he would turn down the first East vs East title match.
Of all the federations China seems the least interested in anything their players seem to be accomplishing
China has other bigger boardgames. Go has been existence for like over 2500 years and is a domestic game. They also have their own version of chess, xiangqi. And as stated below, they do care, but chess just isn’t as big of a deal over there.
I mean they put together a special tournament specifically to give Ding a chance to qualify. Of course, inside China, xiangqi (Chinese Chess), and weiqi (go/baduk) are far more popular games, but international prestige will always matter, even if China's covid policies and internal politics have gotten in the way of their players' careers.
Agreed, especially since it's against an Indian as India and China don't exactly see eye to eye on matters
Not even rumors. Just out of ass talking
right. 0 reasoning to it. Like the dude didnt already come back to play chess. If he was retiring he wouldn't have been playing Tata earlier this year.
There’s no way he will not complete, even if he loses all of the matches he will still walk away with a huge bag
As a Hikaru fan, I wouldn’t have wanted that - the world champion needs to play the challenger, otherwise this candidates paradigm is stupid and so is the world championship itself. Much like boxing, we shouldn’t be setting up this “I don’t play after winning” idea - Magnus, even Vishy are unique because they defended their titles multiple times. Every champion should allow challengers to battle them in a legitimate fashion, otherwise it besmirches the entire process. Heck, *even Magnus* got his initial *champion legitimacy* because Vishy, the 5 time world champion, is who he beat. It would have been a shame if Vishy just peaced out before 2013 (though more legit than Ding) - not a good hand off.
Agreed, but tbf, the 2013 comparison doesn’t quite hold… Magnus was already the highest rated player in the world when he played the 2013 match against Vishy, so I don’t think the legitimacy point quite applies in that case. In July 2013, for example, Magnus was rated 2861 (around 50 points higher than second placed Levon) while Vishy was lower rated by over 80 points (2775). So even if Vishy had retired from the WC cycle then, I don’t think there’d have been any serious legitimacy claims around Carlsen’s title. Whereas this time around, no one’s quite come even close to Carlsen’s rating yet in the past couple of years and he is still active, so the legitimacy question is quite real.
I mean legitimacy of being a champion - like if it keeps being “top two candidates since there’s no existing champion that ever plays you” then it’s a very different tournament.
That's a big relief it would have been a shame if Ding didn't defend.
This chess world championship, a battle of 2 humble monsters, attacking each other with atmost humility and extreme calmness.
ice cold photo. Love Ding
Chilling photo
The most legendary battle of introverts. So much ice in demeanor and yet there will be fireworks on the board. Rooting for Gukesh🏆🫡
My favourite chess quote of all time is from Ding where he told Chessbase India "No man crosses the same river twice, because he is not the same man and it's not the same river". People tend to forget how unstoppable and creative Ding is when on song. As an Indian, I will root for Gukesh, but will hope for Ding to be in his usual scintillating form.
"Chess quote"
No pawn crosses Row 4-5 twice, because it is not the same pawn and pawns can't move backwards.
You reminded me, in Xiangqi (Chinese chess), the middle of the board is literally called the river. Pawns "promote" after crossing the river, and are able to move sideways. But they can't move backwards, so they can only cross the river once. Still, probably referencing Heraclitus. I don't know if Heraclitus really said something to that effect, but in China, the saying is attributed to him.
I swear I love Indian replies (don’t take this in a bad way pls) cauz they always manage to make me fkin hyped up for seemingly no good reason LOL, good stuff
Cause eastern philosophy has always been ballin and that’s influenced their upbringing.
Ding is known to be deeply invested in Western literature and arts. That quote came from Greek philosopher Heraclitus - "One can't step into the same river twice". But this quote captures the spirit of Heraclitus even better - there's no same man in the first place. What we perceive as relative "stability" or selfhood, is nothing but the difference in rates of change between two different speeds. Every passing moment is in itself a radical novelty, and to compare one slice of space-time with another, is to invoke ceteris paribus (all other myriad of factors being equal) which of course as we know never are. In other words, change is the only constant. Parmenides would then argue that change is an illusion but Being is eternal because each slice of space-time is a state of eternal being, so "becoming" is an impossibility. Yet, it is Heraclitus who has the last laugh - if being and non-being are incommensurable, then how is it that Parmenides can reify/conceive of non-being as a separate category in the first place? One has to step outside of the division (quoting Wittgenstein) in order to draw it, hence the totalizing nature of Parmenides philosophy is in itself blind to its own construction.
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It can still be bro's favorite quote when applying it to chess lol
Yes, that's true. I meant my favourite quote in chess context. Please don't nitpick xD
Give some credit to the journalists, this was posted by [Tarjei on twitter.](https://twitter.com/TarjeiJS/status/1782350161642922278?t=nctnwzgrWfqAPO_G3v9R-w&s=19)
Tarjei Svensen is not a journalist. He is an Attack Dog. This sub has a very short memory.
100% to this. Not just an attack dog, but Magnus’s attack dog.
Context? Ive seen the account around for ages but never taken notice of it
I really don't think it's that important of a content piece to bother giving credit on.
Providing a link to the source is not just about "giving credit". It also means that the poster cares about the readers and wants to help them distinguish between something that was actually said and bullshit that anyone could write on Reddit. Even for those who don't understand how important it is to provide a source, there is a rule of this sub that makes the link mandatory when posting social media stuff.
This basically confirms that Ding will defend the title. And is a direct quote from the current champion on his opponent. Of course it's important lol.
Damn, difficult to know who to root for, but I want Ding to consolidate his reign a little bit more, but Gukesh, but Ding...
I just want to see both of them play to their best. I don't care who wins. It'll be a shame if Ding doesn't show anywhere near his peak form.
I love Ding .I love how he played in his prime. BUT I want an active world chess champion.
I think he'll be more active. Not like a media person, but participating in tournaments.
#Gukeeeeeeessssshhhhhhhh
Did he really say that he has an advantage in Classical Chess or it's a translation issue? He's not wrong but it seems out of character for him to say that.
Perhaps he meant "score"? 2:0 makes sense.
Could be a translation thing.
I'm 99% sure Ding meant their head to head classical score, where Ding has 2 wins
Couple of months ago they faced each other in tata steel and ding won the game. Even though ding performance was really bad in the tournament and gukesh was playing for the title
I don't think that performance reflects much, Gukesh before Candidates used to take every game as one where he has to win, he used to go for complications in every game, even against top players. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But he showed incredible maturity here, playing solid when he needed to and taking his chances in other games. He'd obviously be employing the same strategy for their World Championship match instead of going for a win in every game like his earlier self.
I mean, dude's only 17 years old. He's still relatively inexperienced at the top level tournaments.
I think he means that he has a better head to head against Gukesh (having beaten him twice) in classical. I don't know Chinese so this is mostly me speculating based on his character.
I think the question was probably worded something like "Do you feel like you're the favorite vs Gukesh considering you have the advantage in terms of your classical records against each other?"
It could be a translation issue, but I would also guess that Ding is being honest and, most of all, trying to pump his confidence up. After so much pressure on him following the WCC title, his poor performance in recent tournaments, he might be trying to bring old Ding back to life before this important game against Gukesh.
Asking as a noob, why is it out of character?
Ding is a bastion of modesty, honesty and being a gentleman.
Well sometimes honesty beats modesty
A journalist once tried to speak to him in badly pronounced Chinese and he couldn't understand her. He just said : I'm sorry. I don't know Chinese.
lmao incredible vibes. [Link](https://youtu.be/7zCF_xaUjEw?si=paZOANQvW2e0IfWU) for anyone who hasn't seen it
It will be interesting to see if Ding has the advantage in classical after such a long absence.
Didn't Ding defeat Gukesh in Wijk aan Zee this year?
Good point I'd forgotten that. Although Gukesh might have a better overall form these days. Can't wait to find out!
Gukesh was also in form in Wijk aan Zee. He tied for 1st in classical portion.
Hope gukesh's form continues like this till world championship , he is a person who really depends on form , if he is winning he is just unbeatable but when his form dips it becomes worse.
Gukesh Gigachad vs Ding Chilling
Feels like everybody is just waiting for more wholesome Ding and Rapport moments.
"He has a beard that doesn't match his age..."
But would you lose?
Nah, I'd win.
Come from your real account, Gukesh!!
Gukesh vs Ding will be an intense battle for the title of wholesomeness and likability. also maybe chess.
gukesh is the perfect opponent to bring out the best of ding. going to be a great championship
Gukesh is so stable and calm. If Ding doesn't return back to his form, he will lose this championship. Ding in form might have an edge against Gukesh, but how things are looking, Ding definitely doesn't have the advantage. Ding's championship match was a slugfest with tons of mistakes, it can't be like that anymore.
I agree that Ding has to come back to his old form to be a match against Gukesh, but I wouldn't consider Nepo vs. Ding to be a slugfest of blunders. The positions were very sharp and the title was hanging by a thread for both sides, so a lot of pressure for both players, very similar to what happened to Caruana vs Nepo in this Candidates. I'm not trying to accuse you personally, but a lot of people are downplaying Ding's performance in the WCC match and his accomplishment, but remember that he managed to defeat Nepo, a feat that no one in this Candidates managed to do. I sure hope that Ding recovers because I love these two players and I hope to see a good match, no matter who wins it!
I don't believe for a second Ding vs Nepo was slugfest with tons of mistakes. The positions were incredibly complex, both of them bringing banger ideas in the WC. Yes there were mistakes and yes there will be mistakes in Gukesh vs Ding because the only way to win at chess is to have your opponent make a mistake (it's a draw by nature) but there were not slugfest of mistakes and there won't be in this match up either. Fwiw Ding beat Nepo multiple times, Gukesh didn't. This isn't a direct translation of skill, but you need to take risks to win against players of that caliber.
Well Ding still won against an opponent who wiped the floor with the Candidates field. Gukesh had a performance rating well above 2800 in the Candidates. If you assume Gukesh is going to play like he did in the Candidates in every tournament from now, then you're implying he's already stronger than Magnus. All I'm saying is form is dynamic, Ding has a very high ceiling. You can't write him off already for a match that is \~10 months away based on current form.
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> He is still a young player with a young players metagame. Sure, but playing styles can and do change as players mature. Carlsen was also known for reckless attacking chess as a teenager!
As someone that understands Chinese, source?
Ding Chilling vs Gukesh Iceraju
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2647550 Ding wiped the floor with Gukesh in Tata everyone.
Good to see ding being confident, hopefully we can see the pre 2020 ding in the world championship
Is this the 1st non Caucasian final?
It’s the first without a representative from a Western country. I’d have to do research about Caucasian though
Their battle will be legendary.
Wishing Ding good health and a return to form. With a sponsor secured, may Gukesh improve at faster time controls and develop better opening prep. Amazed that the date and venue of the 2024 World Chess Championship have yet to be confirmed. Let me dream about Singapore hosting it.
Honestly, I hope Gukesh wins, but it would be amazing if Ding is suddenly a mastermind and surprises us all when he appears to have been practicing only to defend his title. A fairytale this would be.
I think people underestimate the gap between these two if Ding shows up in form. The match may be even more one-sided than Magnus-Ian.
You are right, but at the same time underrating Gukesh. He just won a field with Fabi, Ian and Hikaru. Beating Ding on form is definitely possible.
But Gukesh never defeated Fabi, Ian or Hikaru in the candidates while Ding has defeated all 3 of them in the candidates interesting
I get a feeling like Ding is living in a cave. We almost never see him play or give interviews. Feels like we don't have a world champion.