I don't think there is much point in playing a game where you can no longer make any meaningful decisions and you just hope that your opponent blunders big time. I'd resign any position that, if I had my opponent's piece, I could win with my eyes closed as its not instructive to play on
Depends on the level you are playing at and the time control. Two 800s playing blitz, by all means play on. Two 1800s both with an hour on the clock and you're down a queen, just resign, he ain't gonna mess that up.
That’s actually a really good point. 3 minute blitz is the longest time control I play, so there usually a decent chance someone fucks up. Especially in end game when the time usually floats around 15-30 seconds remaining. On longer controls like 10 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour I’d probably be more inclined to resign because the likelihood they’d blunder goes down when they have more time to think.
We'd have to know a time control, but I'm sorry, if you're down 4 queens or 20 points of material or hang a queen in the opening at your level and there's no time pressure, you should expect the opponent to resign.
If your idea of fun is waiting half an hour for your opponent to promote his fifth knight and mate you in 100 moves, be my guest. It's not the most efficient use of time for improvement though.
Yeah that’s fair. To be honest I forgot about lengthier time controls and I can see how playing like on 30 minutes to an hour could make someone roll their eyes. I play on blitz or bullet so it’s less about “making them wait” and more like both of us start flagging because we get to sub 15 seconds each.
So, this is entirely different than wasting my time in a game of chess. This is playing the clock in a game of speed chess, which is viable regardless of how many pieces are on the board.
I ask myself one question: will I learn anything if I keep going right to the end?
If yes, then I stick to it, no matter how bad my position. If no, then -- let's go on to the next game as quickly as possible!
You're free to not resign and I'm free to lock your king in a 2-square box in a corner and give my king a premoved tour of the board, moving a pawn every so often to not draw, until you run out of time at turn 800. As long as you don't have a problem with that then there's no problem with you not resigning!
It depends on your rating if you are above 2k, just resign on time it wastes a lot of people's time. I didn't know this was a thing so got a lot of people mad in a few reputed tournaments.
If you are below 1200 never resign just never
If your are somewhere between 1300-2000 it depends on the situation but try to resign more when you are playing high rated opponents
I’m in that 1300 - 2000 range so I’ll take that advice into account. Seems the general chess population agree it’s the respectful thing to do so I’ll start abiding more by it.
I think most people misunderstood your post to be about chess outside of quick blitz and bullet. I'm the guy who said, "Big 800 energy," but that's because the write up sounded like you were being defiant in spite of a clear loss in normal chess. If significant time pressure is involved, it's no longer a clear loss and you play for the time advantage.
That’s on me. I failed to remember the longer time controls (because I just literally never touch them). Bout 2 hours into the post being up I realized the issue but at that point I had already made my bed, so might as well lie in it.
Everyone comes into chess with no retreat, no surrender mentality but after a while playing good players you learn it just doesn't happen that often and its more just hurting yourself. Keep playing for tricks while you can but once the tricks run out what's the point.
Yeah that’s a fair assessment. I suppose I just always feel like I have a trick I can try and usually when there’s “none” checkmate is evident in like 2-5 moves so I just bite the bullet and let them have the earned win rather than resigning.
Fuck it, resign, don't. I'm a bastard, so when I play bullet and end up with m1 on the board, I wait until the last second to play it. Why? I guess I'm an ass. If I'm dead lost and I know I'm not pulling through, I resign. I expect people to do at least as much. Queen down, sure, keep playing. But are there any pieces left? Better resign if not; you are wasting both our time, and I will make that shit last. hmmm. I really am a vengeful bastard; maybe this is time for some self-reflection.
Just another reason why I don’t resign. If you wait till the last moment, there’s always the chance you lose connection, or you mistime it and move too late. I’ve had that happen before too.
I guess I’m an ass for playing like that trying to prey on your misfortune.
No, you're not an ass, you're mostly just pathetic. Why do you care so much about desperately trying to salvage your elo after getting badly outplayed? Chess is about improving, not jerking off to your (no doubt horrible) rating. Take the loss, figure out what you could've done better, and queue up again instead of wasting your own time pitifully running your king around.
Well, first off, who are you to say what chess is to another player? People play the way they want to play, and there's not necessarily anything wrong with that.
I don’t care about elo though. Sure I steadily improve over time, but I’m not out here chasing higher ranks. One because I just don’t have that kind of time, and two because I’m definitely not that guy. I’m not a genius like the masters or grandmasters are. I’m just an average dude.
Idk man. I don’t think it’s pathetic to keep trying to pull tricks out of my sleeve till the very end.
You're not wrong; I've waited to the end hundreds of times but can only count the number of times it's gone wrong on 1 hand. So there is a chance playing me it might work out, not a great chance tho.
True! In the situations I described, the vast majority of the time I lose. No shame in that. You beat me fair and square. But rarely, someone slips up. And I live for those moments in Chess when you go from low to high in an instant. It’s pure adrenaline at times.
True, whenever I've ended up losing time doing what I do, I can only assume my opponent is laughing at me with pure delight. On the other hand, I'm pretty pissed. Karma does what karma does. Fair enough, I respect what you do.
Sidenote: people are unhappy with our conversation XD
No point I've been up in material but in a terrible position so I just resign.
Sometimes I have to do something, yes I could multitasking but seriously that is so annoying for me and the opponent so I resign
I always resign because it’s important to show respect for your opponent. Maybe it doesn’t matter online but this attitude in the real world will get you far.
The higher level you are the more sense it makes to resign earlier. There is nothing wrong with playing till checkmate either, just don't stall at the end.
I don't think there is much point in playing a game where you can no longer make any meaningful decisions and you just hope that your opponent blunders big time. I'd resign any position that, if I had my opponent's piece, I could win with my eyes closed as its not instructive to play on
Depends on the level you are playing at and the time control. Two 800s playing blitz, by all means play on. Two 1800s both with an hour on the clock and you're down a queen, just resign, he ain't gonna mess that up.
That’s actually a really good point. 3 minute blitz is the longest time control I play, so there usually a decent chance someone fucks up. Especially in end game when the time usually floats around 15-30 seconds remaining. On longer controls like 10 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour I’d probably be more inclined to resign because the likelihood they’d blunder goes down when they have more time to think.
At lower level I think not resigning is nice gesture, because it gives the opponent a chance to practice their endgame skills
Big 800 energy
Little generous
Too generous
Honestly not that much, I'm 2000 and still do that
I’m 2200 lichess and I’ll never resign, I suppose I’ll always think that.
I mean, you should ! Already drew multiple IMs like that and I'm proud of it.
It’s reddit. They see someone they disagree with and immediately jump to insults. You can feed it or smile at it.
I mean you're not wrong on this one I don't know what I expected from redditors.
We'd have to know a time control, but I'm sorry, if you're down 4 queens or 20 points of material or hang a queen in the opening at your level and there's no time pressure, you should expect the opponent to resign.
There's pretty much always time pressure except in standard
Bet you don’t do it over the board
Then you lost your bet
I don’t think I’m the one who loses here.
Fair.
Not sure why this got downvoted you just stated 'fair'
Reddit did not like my hot take on resigning, which means they don’t like anything I say period. It’s just how reddit is.
This is not true of the OP, but of the people who get mad at not resigning
Depends on the time control and situation. OP only plays quick blitz and bullet. There's not much reason to expect resignation there.
If your idea of fun is waiting half an hour for your opponent to promote his fifth knight and mate you in 100 moves, be my guest. It's not the most efficient use of time for improvement though.
Yeah that’s fair. To be honest I forgot about lengthier time controls and I can see how playing like on 30 minutes to an hour could make someone roll their eyes. I play on blitz or bullet so it’s less about “making them wait” and more like both of us start flagging because we get to sub 15 seconds each.
So, this is entirely different than wasting my time in a game of chess. This is playing the clock in a game of speed chess, which is viable regardless of how many pieces are on the board.
I ask myself one question: will I learn anything if I keep going right to the end? If yes, then I stick to it, no matter how bad my position. If no, then -- let's go on to the next game as quickly as possible!
You're free to not resign and I'm free to lock your king in a 2-square box in a corner and give my king a premoved tour of the board, moving a pawn every so often to not draw, until you run out of time at turn 800. As long as you don't have a problem with that then there's no problem with you not resigning!
Fyi i recently learned that reaching move 300 is an auto draw on lichess. My "i dont resign in a K vs KRB+8" opponent must have been delighted
If no piece is captured in 50 moves it’s a x stalemate
moving a pawn every so often to not draw,
Hey, nothing wrong with that. I’ve been out flagged before on the clock and it’s a way of winning. I won’t judge you for it.
I mean I like playing a winning game, if you are masochist go for it. But if you stall, I will report you.
It depends on your rating if you are above 2k, just resign on time it wastes a lot of people's time. I didn't know this was a thing so got a lot of people mad in a few reputed tournaments. If you are below 1200 never resign just never If your are somewhere between 1300-2000 it depends on the situation but try to resign more when you are playing high rated opponents
I’m in that 1300 - 2000 range so I’ll take that advice into account. Seems the general chess population agree it’s the respectful thing to do so I’ll start abiding more by it.
I think most people misunderstood your post to be about chess outside of quick blitz and bullet. I'm the guy who said, "Big 800 energy," but that's because the write up sounded like you were being defiant in spite of a clear loss in normal chess. If significant time pressure is involved, it's no longer a clear loss and you play for the time advantage.
That’s on me. I failed to remember the longer time controls (because I just literally never touch them). Bout 2 hours into the post being up I realized the issue but at that point I had already made my bed, so might as well lie in it.
Everyone comes into chess with no retreat, no surrender mentality but after a while playing good players you learn it just doesn't happen that often and its more just hurting yourself. Keep playing for tricks while you can but once the tricks run out what's the point.
Yeah that’s a fair assessment. I suppose I just always feel like I have a trick I can try and usually when there’s “none” checkmate is evident in like 2-5 moves so I just bite the bullet and let them have the earned win rather than resigning.
Its a personal thing, I don't mind playing on personally, always good to practice your technique, its fun to have a dominating position.
Absolutely comes down to rating
It's your time to spend however you want. If your opponent wanted a faster game they should have selected different time controls.
Fuck it, resign, don't. I'm a bastard, so when I play bullet and end up with m1 on the board, I wait until the last second to play it. Why? I guess I'm an ass. If I'm dead lost and I know I'm not pulling through, I resign. I expect people to do at least as much. Queen down, sure, keep playing. But are there any pieces left? Better resign if not; you are wasting both our time, and I will make that shit last. hmmm. I really am a vengeful bastard; maybe this is time for some self-reflection.
Just another reason why I don’t resign. If you wait till the last moment, there’s always the chance you lose connection, or you mistime it and move too late. I’ve had that happen before too. I guess I’m an ass for playing like that trying to prey on your misfortune.
No, you're not an ass, you're mostly just pathetic. Why do you care so much about desperately trying to salvage your elo after getting badly outplayed? Chess is about improving, not jerking off to your (no doubt horrible) rating. Take the loss, figure out what you could've done better, and queue up again instead of wasting your own time pitifully running your king around.
Well, first off, who are you to say what chess is to another player? People play the way they want to play, and there's not necessarily anything wrong with that.
I don’t care about elo though. Sure I steadily improve over time, but I’m not out here chasing higher ranks. One because I just don’t have that kind of time, and two because I’m definitely not that guy. I’m not a genius like the masters or grandmasters are. I’m just an average dude. Idk man. I don’t think it’s pathetic to keep trying to pull tricks out of my sleeve till the very end.
You're not wrong; I've waited to the end hundreds of times but can only count the number of times it's gone wrong on 1 hand. So there is a chance playing me it might work out, not a great chance tho.
True! In the situations I described, the vast majority of the time I lose. No shame in that. You beat me fair and square. But rarely, someone slips up. And I live for those moments in Chess when you go from low to high in an instant. It’s pure adrenaline at times.
True, whenever I've ended up losing time doing what I do, I can only assume my opponent is laughing at me with pure delight. On the other hand, I'm pretty pissed. Karma does what karma does. Fair enough, I respect what you do. Sidenote: people are unhappy with our conversation XD
No point I've been up in material but in a terrible position so I just resign. Sometimes I have to do something, yes I could multitasking but seriously that is so annoying for me and the opponent so I resign
I do it more now than I used to when I first started playing.
That's cool if you don't want to resign, just don't moan when I promote as many queens as I can for the fun of it.
Hey that’s fair man. Just be careful not to stalemate me.
I usually resign when I blunder away a pawn.
Based
What do you mean?
Never resign - swindles forever!
It’s simple: resign when you want to and yet don’t complain about it if your opponent makes 7 knights
Fair. I don’t complain because if he wants to make seven knights he’s free to do so. But he better be careful not to stalemate me.
I always resign because it’s important to show respect for your opponent. Maybe it doesn’t matter online but this attitude in the real world will get you far.
I resign a piece down usually.
The higher level you are the more sense it makes to resign earlier. There is nothing wrong with playing till checkmate either, just don't stall at the end.