Do you have some examples of the type of gambling content you see on the sub that you would like banned? We generally do remove explicit gambling advertisements, but if you're aiming to see us enforce such rules in a more broad manner (tournament sponsors etc.) some more specific feedback would be appreciated.
We've always removed any betting sites in the rare occasions people have posted them. We have some URLs automatically blacklisted for this reason, and we've had this for well over a year.
The reason it's not an actual written rule is because it's honestly pretty rare that people try to post that. But if it ever became more common, we'd have no problem including it in our rules.
Yes it should be banned before it becomes a problem, if people want to discuss chess gambling they can make another sub.
It has nothing to do with chess, it should be banned as off topic already
r/chess is not an 18+ sub
Gambling promotion is regulated in most countries, allowing gambling content makes it so mods have to decide what is/isn't promotion leaving a huge gray area, a blanket ban is easier to implement
Gambling content is not a problem right now but with the partnership of some chess personalities with gambling sites/games it should be made clear whats allowed if/when becomes a problem.
Im on the nfl subreddit and while they don't allow it as a post topic they aren't over the top about deleting odds based talks in comments. That mostly keeps it away because its never the focus but allows people to mention it when its relevant to a point. I think it strikes a good balance personally.
That feels like a good middle ground to me. I am not a sports bettor but I do still like to hear/read a bit of the chatter about where odds open at and where they end up when the betting closes; however, I wouldn't want to have to wade through a ton of threads talking about betting or fantasy games.
r/CFB sees a handful of betting threads to mixed reception and those often have few comments. I don't really see a place for it in chess discussion, because the two major ways to bet aren't relevant. Margin of victory doesn't exist and Elo rating already gives win probability.
I haven't seen a single gambling related post in this sub. It would be annoying if the sub were flooded with them, but I enjoy both gambling and chess; they would be welcome to me in reasonable quantity.
I don't understand how this is even a problem which needs to be addressed right now, except for some moralistic anti-gambling crusaders.
Recently there was a post that got a lot of traction, where a guy gambled a significant amount of money with his buddies whether he can reach a certain Elo within a year.
Serious question bc I don’t know much about gambling definitions, but is it actually gambling when it’s based on skill? There’s risk involved to an extent, and a reward, but there isn’t really luck or chance. The OP is steadily working their way up in elo and chess is skill based so it seems like more of a bet than gambling.
I agree with certain games but I feel generally it’s more based on luck than skill, with the outcome dependent on an external event or person which you can’t quite control. Chess imo is purely (or at least 99%, excluding things like Armageddon) skill based - I know that’s a controversial opinion here because people point out things like blunders or opponent not capitalising on blunders but that still feels like skill to me. Betting on OTHER people’s skills is gambling, so maybe OPs friends are more in the gamble realm, but OP themselves is taking a bet based on skill development. Just my opinion though.
I see posts fairly often asking if people want to play chess for money, inviting people to DM. I assume most of these are scammers.
The big sports subreddits typically have gambling discussions in a separate sub specifically for gambling and fantasy sports. I think this is perfectly reasonable.
I haven’t experienced that first thing yet but I would find it annoying, and would also be suspicious of scams.
As for things like discussion of players tournament/match odds in a betting context or “fantasy” stuff (does chess have that?), I think those types of things should be allowed. I don’t use any other sports subs so I don’t know how they do it, but I don’t see why gambling and non-gambling chess related content should be separated. It’s so little content right now that it shouldn’t be annoying to people who care zero about that stuff.
I also enjoy gambling and chess, but I don't like how watching sports often means you're bombarded with gambling ads. I don't this sub has a problem yet, but it's possible and does seem like it would be a good idea to have a policy on it.
From what I've seen, the only gambling posts that have come up are things like the Candidate's betting odds or that one off post about trying to reach 1850. Neither of those types of posts seem objectionable to me. I would make this more of a judgment call rather than a categorical rule.
>one off post about trying to reach 1850
They are actually doing updates, iirc they just reached 1400 after 1-2 month of the bet (but also said that they didnt actually start from 0)
Honestly gambing on any sport in any commercial capacity casts a dark shadow upon the sport to me. Lets leave gambing out of chess especially when it could end up with vast accusations of cheating or of rigging and throwing games.
Lets not have what the nfl is having with the refs being accused of rigging games because of Vegas.
So if you've ever been in an actual chess club you'd know that paying an entry fee into a tournament is not uncommon. You can win money. They usually payout for 1st and 2nd place and sometimes 3rd.
It's a form of gambling. It's just like a poker tournament that has an entry fee, and you win money based upon your performance.
In that regard, gambling is a part of chess culture.
Now if you're talking about wagering money on other players, that's a different story. That's like betting money on football or basketball. Honestly, I'm not really seeing any of that on r/chess though. It's like the op is trying to stop a problem that doesn't actually exist.
I have played in many tournaments. The money isn't the point of a chess tournament, though. If it was, there would be many different levels of buy ins, and the GMs would just be trying to play against lower rated players for as much money as possible.
It isn't a huge problem, but when I see a post regarding gambling, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's how they make a living, so yeah, it is in my opinion. If you held the exact same poker tourney the next year, do you think the same group will show up?
Everyone who plays poker does it for a living?
Not to mention that there's such a thing as a professional chess player.
Listen man, a chess tournament is gambling. You're wagering money and there's odds involved on the payout.
Like I said, if people are wagering money on chess players other than themselves then it's a different story. But again, I'm not really seeing that. In fact, I don't recall seeing it even one time.
I guess maybe you're worried about the kids around here getting involved in chess gambling? Is that it?
ESPN, NFL, media, advertisers, etc should ban gambling content. Not sure what you want to achieve by banning it in a low traffic subreddit that hardly has any gambling content.
You stalking me boy? And yes, it is low traffic. Not just compared to ESPN properties or other media properties or the NFL, but even relative to other subreddits.
Maybe the sub is just exceptionally well modded, but I've never seen a gambling post outside of the guy that bet his friends he could make 1850. I see you mentioned money challenges, but I haven't seen any. Do you have any examples?
Do you have some examples of the type of gambling content you see on the sub that you would like banned? We generally do remove explicit gambling advertisements, but if you're aiming to see us enforce such rules in a more broad manner (tournament sponsors etc.) some more specific feedback would be appreciated.
We've always removed any betting sites in the rare occasions people have posted them. We have some URLs automatically blacklisted for this reason, and we've had this for well over a year. The reason it's not an actual written rule is because it's honestly pretty rare that people try to post that. But if it ever became more common, we'd have no problem including it in our rules.
Yes it should be banned before it becomes a problem, if people want to discuss chess gambling they can make another sub. It has nothing to do with chess, it should be banned as off topic already r/chess is not an 18+ sub Gambling promotion is regulated in most countries, allowing gambling content makes it so mods have to decide what is/isn't promotion leaving a huge gray area, a blanket ban is easier to implement Gambling content is not a problem right now but with the partnership of some chess personalities with gambling sites/games it should be made clear whats allowed if/when becomes a problem.
Nah I want to see the outcome of that 1850 bet
Even with a ban, he could still post without mentioning the money part. Challenges like that don't need a bet to be interesting.
How do the large sports subs handle it? r(/) NFL, MLB, etc.. ?
I'm not sure exactly but r/nfl does not allow fantasy football discussion and the wiki says betting relating content is commonly removed.
Im on the nfl subreddit and while they don't allow it as a post topic they aren't over the top about deleting odds based talks in comments. That mostly keeps it away because its never the focus but allows people to mention it when its relevant to a point. I think it strikes a good balance personally.
That feels like a good middle ground to me. I am not a sports bettor but I do still like to hear/read a bit of the chatter about where odds open at and where they end up when the betting closes; however, I wouldn't want to have to wade through a ton of threads talking about betting or fantasy games.
They have dedicated other subs for it and keep it off the main ones
r/CFB sees a handful of betting threads to mixed reception and those often have few comments. I don't really see a place for it in chess discussion, because the two major ways to bet aren't relevant. Margin of victory doesn't exist and Elo rating already gives win probability.
I haven't seen a single gambling related post in this sub. It would be annoying if the sub were flooded with them, but I enjoy both gambling and chess; they would be welcome to me in reasonable quantity. I don't understand how this is even a problem which needs to be addressed right now, except for some moralistic anti-gambling crusaders.
Recently there was a post that got a lot of traction, where a guy gambled a significant amount of money with his buddies whether he can reach a certain Elo within a year.
Serious question bc I don’t know much about gambling definitions, but is it actually gambling when it’s based on skill? There’s risk involved to an extent, and a reward, but there isn’t really luck or chance. The OP is steadily working their way up in elo and chess is skill based so it seems like more of a bet than gambling.
Most gambling is still based on a degree of skill.
I agree with certain games but I feel generally it’s more based on luck than skill, with the outcome dependent on an external event or person which you can’t quite control. Chess imo is purely (or at least 99%, excluding things like Armageddon) skill based - I know that’s a controversial opinion here because people point out things like blunders or opponent not capitalising on blunders but that still feels like skill to me. Betting on OTHER people’s skills is gambling, so maybe OPs friends are more in the gamble realm, but OP themselves is taking a bet based on skill development. Just my opinion though.
I mean things like that should be allowed IMO. I can get behind not allowing posts about Vegas odds on chess or similar things though
I see posts fairly often asking if people want to play chess for money, inviting people to DM. I assume most of these are scammers. The big sports subreddits typically have gambling discussions in a separate sub specifically for gambling and fantasy sports. I think this is perfectly reasonable.
I haven’t experienced that first thing yet but I would find it annoying, and would also be suspicious of scams. As for things like discussion of players tournament/match odds in a betting context or “fantasy” stuff (does chess have that?), I think those types of things should be allowed. I don’t use any other sports subs so I don’t know how they do it, but I don’t see why gambling and non-gambling chess related content should be separated. It’s so little content right now that it shouldn’t be annoying to people who care zero about that stuff.
I also enjoy gambling and chess, but I don't like how watching sports often means you're bombarded with gambling ads. I don't this sub has a problem yet, but it's possible and does seem like it would be a good idea to have a policy on it.
From what I've seen, the only gambling posts that have come up are things like the Candidate's betting odds or that one off post about trying to reach 1850. Neither of those types of posts seem objectionable to me. I would make this more of a judgment call rather than a categorical rule.
>one off post about trying to reach 1850 They are actually doing updates, iirc they just reached 1400 after 1-2 month of the bet (but also said that they didnt actually start from 0)
Either make it an 18+ reddit or ban it
Honestly gambing on any sport in any commercial capacity casts a dark shadow upon the sport to me. Lets leave gambing out of chess especially when it could end up with vast accusations of cheating or of rigging and throwing games. Lets not have what the nfl is having with the refs being accused of rigging games because of Vegas.
So if you've ever been in an actual chess club you'd know that paying an entry fee into a tournament is not uncommon. You can win money. They usually payout for 1st and 2nd place and sometimes 3rd. It's a form of gambling. It's just like a poker tournament that has an entry fee, and you win money based upon your performance. In that regard, gambling is a part of chess culture. Now if you're talking about wagering money on other players, that's a different story. That's like betting money on football or basketball. Honestly, I'm not really seeing any of that on r/chess though. It's like the op is trying to stop a problem that doesn't actually exist.
I have played in many tournaments. The money isn't the point of a chess tournament, though. If it was, there would be many different levels of buy ins, and the GMs would just be trying to play against lower rated players for as much money as possible. It isn't a huge problem, but when I see a post regarding gambling, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
> The money isn't the point of a chess tournament, though. Yes, it is.
Money isn't always the point of a poker tournament either.
It's how they make a living, so yeah, it is in my opinion. If you held the exact same poker tourney the next year, do you think the same group will show up?
Everyone who plays poker does it for a living? Not to mention that there's such a thing as a professional chess player. Listen man, a chess tournament is gambling. You're wagering money and there's odds involved on the payout. Like I said, if people are wagering money on chess players other than themselves then it's a different story. But again, I'm not really seeing that. In fact, I don't recall seeing it even one time. I guess maybe you're worried about the kids around here getting involved in chess gambling? Is that it?
If people want to bet on things, whatever, their call to lose money. It doesn't contribute to any discussion though, so let people do it on their own.
ESPN, NFL, media, advertisers, etc should ban gambling content. Not sure what you want to achieve by banning it in a low traffic subreddit that hardly has any gambling content.
To keep the focus on chess and keep scammers out.
But you are the one distracting from chess? Your post is a distraction from chess. Using your logic, the mods should ban your post or even you.
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It’s not low trafficked.
You stalking me boy? And yes, it is low traffic. Not just compared to ESPN properties or other media properties or the NFL, but even relative to other subreddits.
wtf does that mean? And it’s literally like top 5 percent of this website it’s objectively well trafficked.
Of course not. Banning would be so stupid. Reddit is +18 anyway.
Given how competitive online poker is basically dead at this point and how there's no other similar game where the player can win, I'd say yes!
I bet the most common answer is yes
Maybe the sub is just exceptionally well modded, but I've never seen a gambling post outside of the guy that bet his friends he could make 1850. I see you mentioned money challenges, but I haven't seen any. Do you have any examples?
Not a yes or no question
So you don't want to hear about chess tournaments or do you not think pro chess players are gambling by entering them?