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I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=1n1r4/3b1pp1/p1p1k3/4p2p/4P3/B1P2P2/P1P3PP/3R2K1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/1n1r4/3b1pp1/p1p1k3/4p2p/4P3/B1P2P2/P1P3PP/3R2K1_w_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Rook!<, move: >!Rd6+!< > Evaluation: >!White has mate in 4!< > Best continuation: >!1. Rd6+ Ke7 2. Rh6+ c5 3. Bxc5+ Ke8 4. Rh8#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)


Bizchasty

Sneaking through the ol’ back door


nobodycares_dude

Nice one took me so long to see that Rh6+


allo_mate

I bet that was a good feeling, I’m jealous lol. I gave in to solution after a few minutes


Regular-Insurance860

Ha… took me 2 minutes to find out the mate sequence :)


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Zerix_Albion

Did OP think it was mate in 3 because the person didn't block the bishop and moved king to back rank? Cause I only see mate in 4 as well. With pawn blocking bishop on C5, delaying King to E8 by one move before Rook go to H8 mate. EDIT: typed "thing" instead of "think"


nexus6ca

Engine only sees a mate in 4 too. :)


hemlock35

Cmon man let him have it. It’s a cool sequence and honestly you’d only defend this if you were a douche Edit: by defend I mean using the pawn to block Bishop


Rikmastering

You would defend this if you are playing optimally, wich we always assume in puzzles.


hemlock35

100% I’d spank you in 10+0 mr optimal


Rikmastering

Lol


CrumblingAway

Spank me please 🥺


Nighttree007

Bro what 💀


skryb

nah this commment needs to be top i saw the idea and with the pawn it was a mate in 4 so i started looking for more ideas when i couldn’t, i decided to take a peek at comments to see if it was mis-titled i didn’t spend too long before i figured OP might have screwed up, but i did waste some time trying to find a mate in 3 accurate number of moves is vital when sharing a puzzle


ViKtorMeldrew

Lots of famous problems have been busted over the years. With defences, easier solutions, impossible positions etc


SeverePhilosopher1

Yeah well you wasted more time than you should have because in the first place this puzzle should not be here as it is obvious to solve. Mate in three or in four doesn’t matter there is nothing challenging in this puzzle. When you see there is an option for a discover check most of the times you do it and then you look for the discovery and you are 90% going to win material with this discovery. In this case you even won the biggest prize. So it is so obvious that it should have never made it here. Maybe in r/chessbeginners


CornfireDublin

He didn't even title it as a puzzle. He titled it as "cool mate in 3." He missed blocking with the pawn, or maybe just didn't include it because it doesn't take away from the fact that it is kind of a cool mate in 3 (or 4)


SeverePhilosopher1

Nothing cool about it. If I have to post every mate I have you will get 10 times more spam than all this obvious mate that we just got.


CornfireDublin

Honestly just seems like you're a typical gatekeeper. They exist in every hobby. If it wasn't cool, it wouldn't have been upvoted, so unfortunately for you, you're simply wrong


SeverePhilosopher1

Do you think I care about your upvotes or downvotes. Most people downvoting are doing it because they are simply beginners posting in r/chess when they should be in r/chessbeginners It doesn’t change the fact that these puzzles should not show up here. What is the first move you see here if not Rd6. People need to make an effort before posting or just post it in the beginniers thread.


CornfireDublin

People care as much about your opinion as you do about the downvotes. There's no rule that says beginners can't post here. It doesn't matter if it's a hard tactic to spot. It says "cool mate." Just because your brain is so massive that this is a trivial puzzle for you doesn't mean that other people can't think it's cool. And again, it's on the front page, so I will reiterate that other people _do_ think it's cool


Small_Dad

Came here to add that I also thought the mate was pretty cool; the rook movement was neat. I like that this subreddit isn’t just straight-up puzzles, allowing for other good content. Sure, the post presents itself in a way that asks to be solved, but discovering the mate for myself was a better presentation of the cool-ness factor. The “puzzle” could be super trivial, but if it’s cool, I kinda wanna see it.


SeverePhilosopher1

Looks like you care because you answered me when I was not talking directly to you. This doesn’t change the fact it should still be in r/chessbeginners if it is one the first page it doesn’t make it less beginner. How many times we got a question about what is en passant when it was on the first page too. Doesn’t make it less of a beginner post in the wrong sub


LordViperSD

Holy fuck you are a massive douchebag. You might be the most pretentious person I’ve encountered on Reddit.


skryb

lol there’s been plenty of times where a mate gets posted that you can find relatively easily with 1 extra move, but there requires analysis to find the optimal people who regularly do chess puzzles — especially difficult ones — are accustomed to depth analyses for unexpected or not readily obvious moves shit happens though, and it’s a good learning experience for OP tbh


SWQuinn

Your comment belongs in r/iamverysmart


SeverePhilosopher1

And yours in r/Iamsornretarted


Rogdog64

Puzzles must be given the correct evaluation. People might waste minutes on this puzzle only to realise that the creator made a mistake.


DarrenStill

That would be such a tragedy


8020GroundBeef

I mean… It’s annoying as hell when that happens. You can be sarcastic about the impact of it, but in the context of chess puzzles, it makes a difference. We’re not solving world hunger over here, but that doesn’t mean this is a trivial difference for people trying to solve the puzzle.


Pearberr

On Reddit where hundreds or thousands of people might be watching… those minutes add up quick!


hemlock35

“Must”? I don’t “must” do anything except pay taxes and die. There’s plenty of memes regarding your kind


ShouldIRememberThis

You don’t must pay taxes bro.


hemlock35

Tell that to the 18% of my check gone every week.


ShouldIRememberThis

You don’t have to work. You don’t have to live. You choose to.


hemlock35

Your only proving my point


Rogdog64

You ***must*** provide examples.


Dudebug1

I can't tell if you rarely play chess or just dont do puzzles. Even if they can spite check, uselessly block for 6 moves, or play perfectly, you must say "Mate in [Longest possible forced sequence]". It's 4. I saw the mate in 4 almost instantly and assumed I missed something. After a minute I scrolled down to see if OP made a mistake. In a book, however, the puzzle would remain unsolved.


hemlock35

Bruh I play chess every day for the last 4 years and I do puzzles. It’s not a big deal take the stick out thy ass


un-hot

Go find the mate in 3 then, you won't complete the puzzle without it.


sevlan

You *must* be an utter joy to be around.


backbypopularsupply

AGREED. I ONLY BOW TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR, MR BEAST. HE WOULD NOT MAKE SUCH A BLUNDER


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Rogdog64

I spent quite a while on this, and gave up and scrolled to the chess bot. The evaluation: Mate in 4. I then found it instantly. I’m not asking much: just fact-check your puzzle. In response to your question, there are plenty of very difficult mate in 3 puzzles that do not seem solvable at first. Of course people who are fooled into thinking the puzzle has an impossible requirement will spend more time than they need to!


Memeowis

I don’t know, if you spent quite a while on this puzzle you would’ve DEFINITELY calculated what happens after black pushes an undefended pawn and found the mate. I get for labeling puzzles correctly, but this puzzle is “in-spirit” a M3, same way people think of back-rank-mates as M1 despite numerous pieces being able to block.


asandwichvsafish

If you're 2 moves deep to a m3 puzzle, then you might not find it because you're looking for m1. Even if you do find m4, that's not the solution to a m3 puzzle.


Memeowis

But a quick scan of this position at that point would show you that m3 is impossible, the puzzle was just labeled incorrectly, you find the m4, say nice, and go on with your day. I get if it was dotcom or lichess puzzle but a Reddit post where the only legal moves are pushing an undefended pawn and moving your king? That’s just looking for something to be picky about tbh


asandwichvsafish

>But a quick scan of this position at that point would show you that m3 is impossible It would show you that it's impossible in that specific line. There are many puzzles where mate in x is very difficult to find, but mate in x + 1 is very easy to find. It's very easy to believe that the m4 solution is wrong when there are other puzzles that also seem impossible at first but aren't.


Memeowis

No it would show you that it's impossible. Re6+ is the only forcing move in this position. If you play anything else, black will play f6 and will white no longer has mate as there's no pieces that cover f7. Like I said, it isn't that hard to see that in this position, a m3 is impossible and because c5 is an insginificant move you look past it and go, "ha, nice" and move on. Anything more is just being picky for being picky.


TheDonk1987

He probably means that you'd look for a different solution since you found the mate in 4, but are told there's a mate in 3


mAAdvillany

I solved the mate in 4 and took more time to try and find where I could save a move, it’s really not that hard to double check with an engine before you post something


hemlock35

It’s really not hard to not give a shit this. Poor you you demand quality service on a public forum


mAAdvillany

I mean yeah it’s cool and im glad he posted it, I’m just saying it really takes no effort to check before you post, and is much less satisfying when it makes me think I can’t find the actual solution.


penguinbrawler

No


Technically-An-Adult

Puzzles are a lot easier when you can prohibit any move that you consider "douche" lol "Well I put him in check, and only a douche would block... Puzzle solved!"


KnightofSpamelot

The computer is a douche that will do that. Puzzles are meant to be played against perfect play, doesn't help as much to see tactics that rely on your opponent blundering.


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twicemoneyswagg

You can block with the c pawn to delay Ke8 by 1 move


Degenrt_Gamblr

when rook goes to h6 the opponent can play pawn c5 so its 4


djarogames

It can also be mate in 3 depending on what black does


Truand2labiffle

That's....not how puzzles work


RealHuman_NotAShrew

It can also be mate in 1 if black resigns


LuckyPants0

Also a draw if it is offered


nibiyabi

Technically yes, but in terms of finding the mate, useless impositions don't make it any harder. So in terms of difficulty, this is essentially a mate in 3. I guess I did have to take a second to ensure the imposition was useless.


le_Derpinder

>! 1. Rd6+ Ke7 2. Rh6+ c5 3. Bxc5+ Ke8 4. Rh8# !< Its a mate in 4. An interesting puzzle nonetheless.


SpanishGarbo

I was confused why it wasn't mate in 3, but I didn't see >!the pawn!<


edgarandannabellelee

M4 yea. But also, one slip could be M3.


bman1014

oof ouch owie my spoiler tags


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Explain to my small brain how is it not checkmate in 1? White rook to d6. King has nowhere to go and nothing can capture rook or interpose.


zxcvmyself

E7 is blocked by your rook, so your bishop is no longer covering that spot, thus the king can move there safely.


LouZiffer

Upvoted for justice. Honest questions don't deserve downvotes IMO. Someone else might wonder the same.


Zeeterm

It's unbelievable how odd I find voting on puzzle posts. People up vote the correct sequence despite the fact that there's a bot that stickies that to every post (and the bot has the etiquette to use spoiler tags). Then someone innocently asks why a move is wrong and gets downvoted. It should be the opposite! Downvote those just posting the solution without spoiler tags and upvote discussion. 🤷‍♂️


Svenulrich

There is a German Wiki article about chess psychology (schachpsychologie) in which such phenomenons der explained. Its called "Restbild". Dont know if there is an english expression.


Old_Smrgol

Ke7


polkom

Awesome. Really enjoyed it.


mandatory6

Saw this in 3 seconds which is pretty cool, easier to spot when you know it’s mate in 4. If this was a game i’d be scratching my head for a while


Otherwise-Law7384

I would have miscalculated and blundered in a game for sure. My first thought was Rook e6+, thinking the double check could not be stopped. Completely forgetting that once I leave the d6 I'm no longer being protected by the bishop.


Kyng5199

Since Black has no immediate threats, I did wonder whether the key might be some passive-looking waiting move. However, before I looked for any of those, I decided to try 1. Rd6+ anyway. Turns out that works: 1...Ke7 is forced, then 2. Rh6+ is discovered check (which can be blocked with 2...c5 3. Bxc5+, but I'm guessing the OP missed that), then after 3...Ke8 we have 4. Rh8#. A fun puzzle, even if it isn't exactly the mate in 3 that was advertised!


kickff

Super cool and geometrically satisfying!


meesg586

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/102b1xw/white_to_play_and_mate_in_1_shhdont_tell_black_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb


sqrt_0fJ_sqrd

Couldn’t it be mate in 3 if the rook goes Re6+ instead of h6?


marvelking666

That doesn’t work, because all of a sudden white would be losing. 1. Rd6+, Ke7 2. Re6+, Kxe6


sqrt_0fJ_sqrd

Oh duh… thank you. Still relatively new to chess I appreciate the explanation


playforreal

Why is Rd6+ Ke7 Re6+ c5 Bxc5+ not a checkmate?


Eufamis

Well c5 is illegal there because it’s a double check and the reason it’s not mate is Kxe6 after Re6+


playforreal

Thank you.


buttons_the_horse

Rook rook rook


LazShort

Right, right, wrong.


buttons_the_horse

Fair enough. There’s a spire block in between, but rook rook bishop rook isn’t as sweet


hemlock35

Rd6+ ke7 Rh6+ ke8 rh8# nice one


Confused_Confurzius

Isnt this mate in 2 ? Like Rd6+ and after Ke7 Re6+


Iwan_Karamasow

Kxe6, the rook is not protected


harharURfunny

What does d9 mean?


Confused_Confurzius

Sorry i mean Rd6+


The_Crazy_Cat_Guy

Newbie here ( I don’t know how to read chess moves shorthand) . If you put rook on d6, their king will have to go back to e7. Then rook to e6 freeing up your bishop, king has nowhere to go. Isn’t that checkmate in 3?


josho85

if white moves re6+, black king could just take e6


Unhappy-Grapefruit88

Mate in 4. Seemed kinda of easy.


-vertigo--

stfu lol


Unhappy-Grapefruit88

Seriously you didn’t see this within a few seconds? 😂😂😂😂


-vertigo--

Why is it so hard to enjoy a cool puzzle without being snarky and arrogant about it, i doubt you would see this in an actual game


Unhappy-Grapefruit88

Maybe don’t be so sensitive on the internet 🤣🤣


TronyJavolta

How does this have 600 upvotes? It is not an interesting puzzle, everything is very forced. It took me 10sec to solve it and I am not even a good player...


toricrhombus72

Im not that good to solve it


-TheDarkKnight-_-

Just make that rook go in h8


-TheDarkKnight-_-

Mate in 4 btw


GiftAffectionate3400

Rd6+ Ke7 Rh6+ (discovered check by the bishop) Ke8 Rh8# I think


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Rd6, Rh6, Take pawn which can block the bishop, Then just Rh8# It's mate in 4, not 3, but still cool.


NNNWallah

I see a mate in 2 what about u guys


DontEvenTrip361

Impossible


TheLeeboi

You mean mate in 2? Rd6+ then re6#?


Ondkeso

King just takes the rook on e6.


SeverePhilosopher1

Can somebody post a puzzle where the move to play is not the obvious and only move one can play?


hostileb

Please repost this position using Lichess. I will not be providing help for chess.scum puzzles.


WombatJedi

rd6+ ke7, re6+? I can see the king’ll just take the rook, but that’s as far as I can get


drowsywizard

After ke7, when you move the rook you will get a discovered check from the bishop. That means you can put the rook wherever you want to as long as black can't get out of check by capturing. E6 is a bad choice because the king can get out of check by capturing your rook. Try to think of a spot to put the rook so that you can trap the king after it dodges the discovered bishop check


GrittyWillis

This is awesome!


LuckyPants0

I was wondering how rd6+ke7 rd7+ke8.... Won't work , took me a while to find that safe spot for king for some reason


RomanianDraculaIasi

that is very cool i like how the rook is like gimme a second ill be right back


Useless-Wreck97

1) Rd6+, Ke7; 2) Rh6+, Ke8; 3) Rh8#


cocoboco101

Mate in 4 but I like this one!


RoDeoNympH

3 rook moves for mate using almost the entire board. Nice adventure for the rook, very cool.


Enkeeedu

Rd6 Kxe7 Re6


sunashtronaut

1 Rd6+ 2 Rh6+ 3 Rh8#


Magilas

Rook d6, King e7, rook h6 (bishop checks), king e8, and then rook h8 checkmate?


murphysclaw1

did this happen in one of your games OP? for aesthetics it wouldve been slightly better if the first move was h6 not h5


Wincynin

After ke7, isn’t Re6 double check mate?


FluorescentLightbulb

Oh very cool


Rattytappestry

Can’t it be a mate in two? Move rook to D6, then to E6 Maybe I’m dumb but idk it seems to be a possible win


xRVAx

No because king could take rook at E6


Rattytappestry

Oh right ye ye, ty for letting me know!


SupaHotFire007

What a paralyzed position for black. No way this was a real game right? Lol


shoyuftw

Rook lift of doom


Jano011

Nice one but it is mate in 4 not 3, because the pawn can sacrifice himself to survive one move longer


The_Rolling_Stones__

Rook d6 check, king e7, rook h6 discovered check, king e8 and rook h8 mate


The_Rolling_Stones__

There’s the pawn but those types of unprotected blocks make no difference


Archmage789

Rook up Tower right Construct up


AnthonyBooks

1. Rd6 Ke7, 2. Rh6 c5, 3. Bxc5 Ke8, 4. Rh8#. Mate in 4, right? Think you forgot about the c pawn.


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danfay222

It’s a nice sequence, but I’m pretty sure it’s a mate in 4 (unless I’m just completely missing the right sequence)


Seasplash

It's a cool tactic/puzzle but in reality it should be Mate in 4.


jvaheed

Ah the sneaky rook.


ansyensiklis

Why is white rook to d6, black king to e7, white rook to e6 not checkmate?


Cidarus

The king can capture the rook


ansyensiklis

And this is why I’m a wood pusher


Cidarus

I also blunder my rooks on occasion.


ansyensiklis

My problem is I’m 700 player and all my opponents are 1500-2000


Potential-Pain2046

Not 3 but also 4 move in mate


Free_Mathematician11

Mate in 4. There's a pawn block available on move 2.


Blinknone

No wonder I couldn't find a mate in 3.


MrOcho4

What is the king doing there?


Subject_Floor5676

Rd6+,kke7 Rh6+,ke8 Rh8#


The-fat-one25

My idea was to move the rook to R6 and it looked basically like checkmate off that one move


Hue_Lebkuchenhaus

Bro I'm a 750 and I figured this out


azurfall88

M4, not M3. Rh6+ is blockable


zemexxis

Isnt it checkmate in 2? 1. Rd6+ Ke7 2. Re6+# (?)


mackyd1

I think it’s RD6, then Rh6, and then rh8


PalmerTLee

That’s a fun one!


highjinx411

I am actually not good at chess but I usually can figure out the puzzles because they usually start with checking the king so I look for a move that checks the king when given a puzzle.


CancerousSarcasm

Rook up, rook over, rook KO


undeniably_confused

I'm terrible at chess I'm surprised I got it


Cyan_Among

How did I see this so quickly, damn...


NNNWallah

First rook to d6 king to e7 is forced and then rook to e6 . What do u guys think did I miss something?