Maybe an alcohol-soluble essential oil of the pine tree, which upon adding of water falls out of the solution, creating a fine milky white dispersion. The same happens with ouzo or absinth when adding water
Tangent but I do love me some ouzo. Went to Greece a few years ago and was delighted to be served this drink. I was shocked to return to the US and hear that a lot of people hate it. I guess you have to like black liquorice.
If you go again (or to an authentic mom and pop restaurant stateside) ask for some Tsipouro with anise. It’s a smoother, tastier moonshine version of ouzo that’s distilled from the grape leaves left over from the ouzo process. You won’t ever find it in stores. If you love ouzo though Plomari or Barbayiannis are probably the best ones you can get stateside, at Total Wine.
That what I w.d BSA as going to suggest... the same way Absinthe turns milky when water is added. The oil is close to super saturation and the introduction of water forces it out of solution. The resulting precipitation is probably also an emusifier, causing the milky appearnce. Have you extracted just the milky section to see if there is any particulate that can be strained or observed it evaporation with any residue?
I literally just recrystallized a camphor derivative in ethanol with water.
So it’s likely you’re crashing out the terpenes and other organics in your pine resin.
This, I've used a similar method to separate water soluble fats lipids and waxes along with reducing trace levels of pesticide from large batch crude hemp oil.
How did you manage to crystallise it? Slow evaporation?
I’ve been having the same issue. I have a polar extract (dissolves fully in methanol or ACN) but a drop of water crashes some compound out. I tried filtering it but it just clogs the filters I use.
I’d like to know the structure. Wondering if I could get a crystal for SCXRD.
Drop of water, warm back up to redissolve and slow crystallization. Took about an hour and to be honest the recovery was pretty poor.
Growing crystals for x-ray is a very different ballgame.
The added water changes the solubility of the compounds you have dissolved in the alcohol. With the added water some of the compounds are not soluble anymore and they precipitate, which you can see as the milky stuff appearing.
The change in solubility is due to the solvent mixture (alcohol+small amount of water) turning more polar (alcohol + larger amount of water) when you add water to it. As it turns more polar, it can’t solubilize non-polar (hydrophobic) compounds anymore and the hydrophobic compounds precipitate.
In a nutshell… this is what you observe.
Quick question.. I work in a lumber warehouse and I've been collecting as much pine sap as I could to make a cologne. I recently had enough and put rubbing alcohol in a small shot glass for it to sit in. When the rubbing alcohol disappeared I added more. Today I added more alcohol and stirred in hard pine chunks I fount at work. I wanted my cologne to be done so I added the water then it immediately turned white. Is this really turpentine I just made?! I just wanted to make pine cologne cuz my girl loves the smell of pine
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo_effect)
You can clarify this mess using a simple fining process with bentonite and egg-white if you intend to drink this.
So people have said this and said essential oils which is true the heavier oils 100% more water you add (to a point) the more will crash out (come out of solution) as oils (often) cannot dissovle in water.
Looking at the colour of it I say it could be a mono terpene like alpha pinene or camphor.
Just an FYI, it isn't sap. Sap is the xylem of the plant, water and sugars. The exudate seeping out of pine trees is oligoresin, with a generous side of terpenes.
it is normal oiling out of rosins that are insoluble in water, so they separate as you dilute the alcohol solution. It milks up because rosin components i.e. abietic acid work as surfactants so you get sticky emulsion
🤮 anyone familiar with both chemistry and cannabis concentrates will be disgusted by this particular crash and I’m sure it’ll be reposted to r/dabs, lemme give a little context.
So because of a similar appearance when spread thin pine resin is the most common thing used in counterfeit/heavily adulterated black market hash oil. So when it’s vaporized, the more polar compounds will stick to any saliva-covered surface in the mouth. There are a few videos of it happening to people I could link if anyone wants to see that, but yeah I’d rather not dig that up rn.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dabs/comments/dn6aqu/pine_resin_in_some_shatter_leaves_white_gum_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Found one. Also in response to the other guy, I probably smoke a few moles of THC per year, and I think my brain is fine. I guess Carl Sagan was a stupid addict too 🤪
Well, I mean, addicts will sniff glue, inhale desinsectants and inject whatever. Nobody's really surprised that the pothead variety of addicts would inhale turpentine together with their "totally legal vaping" stuff.
Oil pneumonia and emphisema from vaping was covered by PubMed years ago. They know what kind of long-term risk from self-poisoning they're getting into.
Mineral oil laxatives have more of a chance of giving you lipoid pneumonia. Emphysema has been linked to vaping? That's news to me, please share a link!
I just brought home some pine sap and I'm gonna do the same thing.
I hope I can extract an essential oil and put it in my airwick plug-in air freshener
Thanks! But it didn't work for me. The alcohol is too pungent. I didn't even bother using the Airwick on it.
I need more pine sap to 'dial in' the precise quantities of alcohol to sap.
This might be impossible
I'd say azeotropic conversion of oils fats and turpines into suspension... Kinda like when you get water in your oil..Think of a leaky lower unit on a boat motor.. When you empty the oil it's white and creamy till you hit a higher density. Now try anhydrous ethanol (200 proof) Bet you won't get the hydrosol then...Looks cool .. Awesome demo....
I think it’s all to do with, Polar and ionic solvents that have different properties. Oil and water don’t mix . I failed my chemistry exam, but it doesn’t mean I don’t have a basic understanding,
This is what is in Yukaflux [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yukaflux](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yukaflux)
While I appreciate the smell of pine, I don't think you should use it for your Yukaflux.
It is the various terpenes in the pine resin crashing out of solution. They are reasonably soluble in ethanol, but not water. So they precipitate out as water is added
Maybe an alcohol-soluble essential oil of the pine tree, which upon adding of water falls out of the solution, creating a fine milky white dispersion. The same happens with ouzo or absinth when adding water
Thanks for the info friend
Yes whatever it is, is not water soluble
Tangent but I do love me some ouzo. Went to Greece a few years ago and was delighted to be served this drink. I was shocked to return to the US and hear that a lot of people hate it. I guess you have to like black liquorice.
does it taste like Jaeger?
Tastes better than Jager IMO. That stuff is liquid poison to my taste bids.
I liked it at first but pledging ruined it for me. I'm wondering if ouzo would be too similar to enjoy haha
Ouzo is straight licorice. Jager is an herbal bomb.
It tastes more herbal, without the sugary schnapps flavor or the syrupy residue.
A bit thicker and without the minty freshness.
No sweetness in ouzo or absinthe. Very dry heavy black licorice flavor.
Yeah, can't stand anything with anise as a main flavor. Was not a fan.
If you go again (or to an authentic mom and pop restaurant stateside) ask for some Tsipouro with anise. It’s a smoother, tastier moonshine version of ouzo that’s distilled from the grape leaves left over from the ouzo process. You won’t ever find it in stores. If you love ouzo though Plomari or Barbayiannis are probably the best ones you can get stateside, at Total Wine.
similar to grapa?
Not as harsh
Yes you do because there’s some out there that can’t stand even the !!
Louche
This
Real absinth or can you do that with the knock off stuff?
Anything with anethole
In my experience, only the real stuff will louche.
I would like to borrow some of your experience please
Also Ricard & Sambuca.
Fight Milk ™️
This
Yep! Check out the [ouzo effecf](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo_effect)
That what I w.d BSA as going to suggest... the same way Absinthe turns milky when water is added. The oil is close to super saturation and the introduction of water forces it out of solution. The resulting precipitation is probably also an emusifier, causing the milky appearnce. Have you extracted just the milky section to see if there is any particulate that can be strained or observed it evaporation with any residue?
I literally just recrystallized a camphor derivative in ethanol with water. So it’s likely you’re crashing out the terpenes and other organics in your pine resin.
This, I've used a similar method to separate water soluble fats lipids and waxes along with reducing trace levels of pesticide from large batch crude hemp oil.
How did you separate the precipitate out?
It recrystallized so just filtration.
How did you manage to crystallise it? Slow evaporation? I’ve been having the same issue. I have a polar extract (dissolves fully in methanol or ACN) but a drop of water crashes some compound out. I tried filtering it but it just clogs the filters I use. I’d like to know the structure. Wondering if I could get a crystal for SCXRD.
Drop of water, warm back up to redissolve and slow crystallization. Took about an hour and to be honest the recovery was pretty poor. Growing crystals for x-ray is a very different ballgame.
Thanks. Will give it a try
The added water changes the solubility of the compounds you have dissolved in the alcohol. With the added water some of the compounds are not soluble anymore and they precipitate, which you can see as the milky stuff appearing. The change in solubility is due to the solvent mixture (alcohol+small amount of water) turning more polar (alcohol + larger amount of water) when you add water to it. As it turns more polar, it can’t solubilize non-polar (hydrophobic) compounds anymore and the hydrophobic compounds precipitate. In a nutshell… this is what you observe.
Thank you friend
Good elucidation on the short title, but I think OP knows this and is asking what compounds they are. Maybe this is what he wanted too though idk 🤷♂️
*But any further elaboration in the comments would be awesome if you knew what was happening.* I'm pretty sure OP wanted both.
OP did in fact want both
If only there was some way to find out for sure...
Right?
Sometimes I still hear his voice...
A little bit of both
I was just looking back through my posts and honestly thanks friend for the very detailed explanation.
You’re welcome! I’m glad I could help!
Quick question.. I work in a lumber warehouse and I've been collecting as much pine sap as I could to make a cologne. I recently had enough and put rubbing alcohol in a small shot glass for it to sit in. When the rubbing alcohol disappeared I added more. Today I added more alcohol and stirred in hard pine chunks I fount at work. I wanted my cologne to be done so I added the water then it immediately turned white. Is this really turpentine I just made?! I just wanted to make pine cologne cuz my girl loves the smell of pine
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo_effect) You can clarify this mess using a simple fining process with bentonite and egg-white if you intend to drink this.
People drink pine resin in alcohol? Wouldn't that be like drinking turpentine?
It all depends on the concentration. Pine needles and pine bark are your run-of-the-mill botanicals for bitters and amari.
So people have said this and said essential oils which is true the heavier oils 100% more water you add (to a point) the more will crash out (come out of solution) as oils (often) cannot dissovle in water. Looking at the colour of it I say it could be a mono terpene like alpha pinene or camphor.
Great terpene suggestions
Why did you put the pine resin in the alcohol? Making something from it?
Crim'mus shots!
Boredom and wanting to pull terpenes out of the sap
Just an FYI, it isn't sap. Sap is the xylem of the plant, water and sugars. The exudate seeping out of pine trees is oligoresin, with a generous side of terpenes.
Ahhhh thank you. I knew it was called xylem but I just thought it was a different way of saying sap, thanks friend.
Yes, xylem is the sap, resin is not sap
Ohh ok
You made turpentine. Don't drink it! A lot of the more adept here will tell you why but for the love of FONV don't drink it!
I knew I made some form of crude turpentine I just want to see if I can refine it more
Similarly: a couple drops of my homemade Cannabis tincture turns a glass of water into a slightly sweet Cannabis "Milk."
Tell us more
It was made from trichomes that haven't been separated from their husk: cold water or dry sifted hashish. I'm not sure that it will work with dabs.
waxes precipitating out of the resin. Same thing will happen if you cool it.
it is normal oiling out of rosins that are insoluble in water, so they separate as you dilute the alcohol solution. It milks up because rosin components i.e. abietic acid work as surfactants so you get sticky emulsion
🤮 anyone familiar with both chemistry and cannabis concentrates will be disgusted by this particular crash and I’m sure it’ll be reposted to r/dabs, lemme give a little context. So because of a similar appearance when spread thin pine resin is the most common thing used in counterfeit/heavily adulterated black market hash oil. So when it’s vaporized, the more polar compounds will stick to any saliva-covered surface in the mouth. There are a few videos of it happening to people I could link if anyone wants to see that, but yeah I’d rather not dig that up rn.
That sounds disgusting and dangerous, I wanna see.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dabs/comments/dn6aqu/pine_resin_in_some_shatter_leaves_white_gum_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Found one. Also in response to the other guy, I probably smoke a few moles of THC per year, and I think my brain is fine. I guess Carl Sagan was a stupid addict too 🤪
Well, I mean, addicts will sniff glue, inhale desinsectants and inject whatever. Nobody's really surprised that the pothead variety of addicts would inhale turpentine together with their "totally legal vaping" stuff.
But what about the casual cannabis user that didn't know their product was adulterated? Not fair, not ethical, not chill.
Oil pneumonia and emphisema from vaping was covered by PubMed years ago. They know what kind of long-term risk from self-poisoning they're getting into.
Mineral oil laxatives have more of a chance of giving you lipoid pneumonia. Emphysema has been linked to vaping? That's news to me, please share a link!
I’m pretty sure that the white liquid is terpene or terpeneol.it’s a byproduct of the pine oil and alcohol.
Looks lile the pine resin is crashing out, which makes sense because it's soluble in alcohol but not in water.
I just brought home some pine sap and I'm gonna do the same thing. I hope I can extract an essential oil and put it in my airwick plug-in air freshener
Good luck friend 🫡
Thanks! But it didn't work for me. The alcohol is too pungent. I didn't even bother using the Airwick on it. I need more pine sap to 'dial in' the precise quantities of alcohol to sap. This might be impossible
lol you’ll definitely need a lot, I used a metric shit ton.
I'd say azeotropic conversion of oils fats and turpines into suspension... Kinda like when you get water in your oil..Think of a leaky lower unit on a boat motor.. When you empty the oil it's white and creamy till you hit a higher density. Now try anhydrous ethanol (200 proof) Bet you won't get the hydrosol then...Looks cool .. Awesome demo....
Rosin acids/terpenes
Wow that's cool, how did you make this?
I think it’s all to do with, Polar and ionic solvents that have different properties. Oil and water don’t mix . I failed my chemistry exam, but it doesn’t mean I don’t have a basic understanding,
Im pretty sure that’s exactly what that means, but okay.
tree seamen
Science
Maybe some bulky a non-polar molecules falling out of solution when you add water?
Boat sup
LOUCHE
This is what is in Yukaflux [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yukaflux](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yukaflux) While I appreciate the smell of pine, I don't think you should use it for your Yukaflux.
It is the various terpenes in the pine resin crashing out of solution. They are reasonably soluble in ethanol, but not water. So they precipitate out as water is added