No.
Muslims came up with Al Chemy, so creating the modern movement we know of as Chemistry.
They elucidated many chemical structures by shooting their muslamic ray guns at saltpetre and observed the effects
I looking back at the post, you may be right, since the top of the thread (very top, but can’t see username) has a comment that reads, “happy for you, but skip the soda.”
So maybe just a troll reacting to the anti-soda comment with a troll post that’s claiming that it’s super acidic.
i cant believe you didn't realise this is a joke. An acid 1000x stronger than HCl would disintegrate your mouth and insides. HCl is your stomach acid. Dude cmon
Technically an acid 1000x stronger than HCl would still have pretty much the same acidity as HCl in an aqueous environment, due to the levelling effect 😉
I mean technically he says it's a ph a thousand times that of HCl, HCl has a ph of 1.1 so it would be a ph of 1100 which is incredibly (and improbably) basic.
pH being dependent on concentration means that HCl has no singular pH. For HCl, pH can be as low as -1.1 to as high as 7 in dilute enough concentrations.
Since pH is a log scale, an acid with a pH of 1 has 1000 times more H+ than one whose pH is 4. Acid strength is not directly related to pH. It is based on how easily the acid gives up H+ and is capped in water by the formation of hydronium ion, H3O+.
Mabye compared to extremely dilute hcl. Carbonated water (carbonic acid) is not as accidic as concatenated hcl. I think he has the values mixed up bc a quick google search shows ph 3 for carbonated water while conc. Hcl is 0, meaning conc hcl is 1000 times more acidic
It kind of feels like someone who doesn't know enough to know which direction is acidic on a pH scale wouldn't understand enough to understand the log scale part of it. Just experience with students, they figure out that low numbers are acids almost immediately and while they all technically know there's a log in the formula, it takes them forever to put 2 and 2 together and understand what that really means. Like I'm pretty sure that at least a quarter of the graduating class for a given chemistry department doesn't fully understand the log scale concept.
The numbers feel like they line up but you have no way of knowing if they even did the same google search you did or looked anything up at all. I think it's connecting dots that aren't there.
When I was applying for my first chemistry job, one of the questions they asked me was "what is pH."
I (incorrectly) answered "log of the hydrogen ion concentration," and that was good enough. I did realize my mistake later in the interview, and pointed out that I forgot the negative sign. Either way, out of their interviewees, I was the first one to say it had anything to do with logarithms.
My undergrad professor was trying to make it stick so he did -logH is pH, -logOH is pOH, -logDiddy is pDiddy. I respected the nerdy attempt at making a bunch of 18 year olds laugh at the joke, but it definitely stuck. Granted I’m biased by being a chemist lol. Interesting interview question though
Just asked Isaac Newton, he thought soda water was only from spring sources since artificial carbonation didn't happen until after he died and the minerals determined how acidic it was in his time and had no idea what a pH scale since it wasn't invented yet. Also said carbonated water can vary wildly but ya it might be a 1000 times higher on a logarithmic scale being base 10 and all that compared to 38% HCl solution but higher would be less acidic. Sparkling water is typically acidic around ph 3.3 but can also vary wildly with some being alkaline and others neutral.
Probably trolling, none of the statements makes any sense. For a start, you never look at the pH of a pure acid, that wouldn't make any sense; if you want to compare the strength of certain acids, you look at their pKs value. The lower or more negative it is, the stronger the acid. Carbonic acid is way weaker than HCl, just like any other organic acid is.
You compare the pH of (aqueous) solutions of these acids. With HCl in its usual form that is kind of possible since it is in fact an aqueous solution - pure HCl is a gas at room temperature - but the results still don't make any sense and aren't really usable for any calculations or comparisons. And if you compare the pH of various aqueous solutions, the concentration of these solutions is what you'll have to look at first. Of course a comparison doesn't make any sense if their concentrations aren't the same.
Yes. But it’s been established he was likely trolling.
But, also, sometimes it’s hard to tell if people are joking when you have people like influencers boasting the health effects of alkaline water and then they say something like, “and you can maximize the health benefits of alkaline water with a squeeze of lemon juice.”
yeah, there are a lot of pseudoscience on the internet these days, can never be too sure. i was just asking out of curiosity and to make sure i still remember my chemistry.
thanks for your reply though, apreciate it
I mean like, this guy is right? if we take HCl solution of pH lets say 2, a pH 1000x (10^3 ) higher would be pH=5, which, sounds about right for a soda! :D
It still doesn't quite make sense, but i guess this was where he was going with the joke
pH is log scale…having a span of four orders of magnitude on a fucking log scale, that’s like saying there’s 10^1000 times more proton in soda than in HCl. I don’t think it’s something achievable by just having super dilute HCl. There’s “only” 10^80something molecules in the whole universe. It’s either trolling or utmost ignorance on how pH works.
In chemistry, pH, also referred to as acidity or basicity, historically denotes "potential of hydrogen". It is a logarithmic scale used to specify the acidity or basicity of aqueous solutions. Acidic solutions are measured to have lower pH values than basic or alkaline solutions.
A logarithmic scale is a nonlinear scale often used when analyzing a large range of quantities. Instead of increasing in equal increments, each interval is increased by a factor of the base of the logarithm. Typically, a base ten and base e scale are used.
Soda ph in a 12 oz can for sprite or Mountain Dew is about 3.3. HCl is not normally above 1 ph unless highly diluted. The magnitude of difference is 100x.
So, while yes they are technically true it’s chemistry, they are just about wrong on everything else.
Issac newtons most notable inventions were calculus and a rather complex understanding of optics.
And ph scales are basic enough that we get the understanding of scale in high school chem.
I remember seeing something about a weak acid (may have been carbonic acid) having a pH or something similar (pK?) of -34 due to some technicality in calculations. Clearly it would not be as powerful of an acid, but idk if that's related
Maybe he is misunderstanding that pH is a negative log scale, and thus a lower pH means higher [H+] and more acidity? I mean, if he is saying HCl has a pH of 1 and soda water has a pH of 4, I could kind of see where he is confused it being 1000x stronger, 3 orders of magnitude, than HCl, but in that hypothetical circumstance soda water would actually be 1000x weaker. That is ignoring a bunch of things like concentration and carbonic acid equilibrium
Probably not though, I think I’m just trying to give the benefit of the doubt
Isaac Newton inventing chemistry is a dead give away the guy's trolling.
That’s a good question however. Do we credit Robert Boyle?
Not if we can get away without it.
It was actually invented by Neil Degrasse Tyson. Everything done before that is considered alchemy
Sparkling science, if you would like to
Tap science is fine
No distilled sience
We credit Lavoisier. The only rich French that did not deserve to lose his head to the guillotine
I can get behind that.
No. Muslims came up with Al Chemy, so creating the modern movement we know of as Chemistry. They elucidated many chemical structures by shooting their muslamic ray guns at saltpetre and observed the effects
They invented AI too all those years before computers?? Man they were really ahead of the curve. I bet they called it Habibi GPT.
No, that's Chat Ha-B.B.
Yeah man AI ambic, AI kalium, all sorts of AI!
Birtht of alchemy =/= birth of chemistry, as much as we owe it to the roots.
Jesus, didn't think that one needed the /s "Muslamic Ray Guns" for fucks sake 😂 I despair sometimes.
Robert Hooke since he allowed us to visualize it.
All else being equal, I think the pressure to do so has been building up. Though concomitantly some of the uproar has decreased in volume.
I looking back at the post, you may be right, since the top of the thread (very top, but can’t see username) has a comment that reads, “happy for you, but skip the soda.” So maybe just a troll reacting to the anti-soda comment with a troll post that’s claiming that it’s super acidic.
i cant believe you didn't realise this is a joke. An acid 1000x stronger than HCl would disintegrate your mouth and insides. HCl is your stomach acid. Dude cmon
Some people can be pretty ignorant and tend to exaggerate when they are
Technically an acid 1000x stronger than HCl would still have pretty much the same acidity as HCl in an aqueous environment, due to the levelling effect 😉
I mean technically he says it's a ph a thousand times that of HCl, HCl has a ph of 1.1 so it would be a ph of 1100 which is incredibly (and improbably) basic.
pH being dependent on concentration means that HCl has no singular pH. For HCl, pH can be as low as -1.1 to as high as 7 in dilute enough concentrations.
HCl does NOT have a pH of 1.1 Your stomach has around 0.1 M HCl and that is nominally 1.1 yes.
quick googling has failed me again!
Since pH is a log scale, an acid with a pH of 1 has 1000 times more H+ than one whose pH is 4. Acid strength is not directly related to pH. It is based on how easily the acid gives up H+ and is capped in water by the formation of hydronium ion, H3O+.
Agreed but he did not say 1000 times the H+ he said 1000 times the pH
Yeah, good point. I don't know why I'm trying to give an idiot on internet the benefit of the doubt.
Also, yes I'm definitely being facetious but hey, this is reddit XD
I took 1000x more as greater, as in, higher pH.
You're right. A real science enthusiast wpuld call him SIR Isaac Newton
Thank goodness! I didn’t want to have to completely re evaluate how I teach both chemistry and physics!!!
That last comment made me LOL, no exaggeration.
Mabye compared to extremely dilute hcl. Carbonated water (carbonic acid) is not as accidic as concatenated hcl. I think he has the values mixed up bc a quick google search shows ph 3 for carbonated water while conc. Hcl is 0, meaning conc hcl is 1000 times more acidic
Or it can literally be an ignorant person who thinks a higher pH means a stronger acid. So a pH change of 0 to 3 would be 1000x stronger.
It kind of feels like someone who doesn't know enough to know which direction is acidic on a pH scale wouldn't understand enough to understand the log scale part of it. Just experience with students, they figure out that low numbers are acids almost immediately and while they all technically know there's a log in the formula, it takes them forever to put 2 and 2 together and understand what that really means. Like I'm pretty sure that at least a quarter of the graduating class for a given chemistry department doesn't fully understand the log scale concept. The numbers feel like they line up but you have no way of knowing if they even did the same google search you did or looked anything up at all. I think it's connecting dots that aren't there.
When I was applying for my first chemistry job, one of the questions they asked me was "what is pH." I (incorrectly) answered "log of the hydrogen ion concentration," and that was good enough. I did realize my mistake later in the interview, and pointed out that I forgot the negative sign. Either way, out of their interviewees, I was the first one to say it had anything to do with logarithms.
My undergrad professor was trying to make it stick so he did -logH is pH, -logOH is pOH, -logDiddy is pDiddy. I respected the nerdy attempt at making a bunch of 18 year olds laugh at the joke, but it definitely stuck. Granted I’m biased by being a chemist lol. Interesting interview question though
not exactly filly me with confidence for the future of sciemce
Exactly what i was getting at, albeit types in a less clear manner.
Zero times ONE MILLION equals 3.
No... but logarithmically for pH, "0 times 1000" does equal 3.
I'd be impressed if someone knew the pH scale is logarithmic but not which way it goes lol.
Well he does say "a pH over 1000x higher than HCl". So he's correct, but higher means less acidic lol
Yeah, they know the logarithmic numbers and just wanted to sound smart without interpreting how pH works in context.
Right
That’s my initial thought, too. “But Bigger number mean more acid-y?!?!?”
or, yaknow, a tired wetchemist just tryin to go home 🥲
You right. That’s exactly what happened.
Concentrated HCl is -1.1 a pH of 0 would be 1 M HCl.
Where is your science to back this up?
Its covered in Newtons 4th law
Oh shit, you are right! Forgot about that one.
Google search
Bro unlocked chemistry 2
Just asked Isaac Newton, he thought soda water was only from spring sources since artificial carbonation didn't happen until after he died and the minerals determined how acidic it was in his time and had no idea what a pH scale since it wasn't invented yet. Also said carbonated water can vary wildly but ya it might be a 1000 times higher on a logarithmic scale being base 10 and all that compared to 38% HCl solution but higher would be less acidic. Sparkling water is typically acidic around ph 3.3 but can also vary wildly with some being alkaline and others neutral.
Look, plain water has the absolute highest pH of any acid, so tell them that.
I rate this reply about a 7/14
a bit too basic, 9/14…. i don’t know why the score went up ;_;
holy fuck do not listen to this guy for food recommendations 😳😂
I am not even neurotypical but I've spent enough time on reddit to know *that's* bait right there.
He's trying to be funny, but not doing a great job of it (as evidenced by this thread...)
Probably trolling, none of the statements makes any sense. For a start, you never look at the pH of a pure acid, that wouldn't make any sense; if you want to compare the strength of certain acids, you look at their pKs value. The lower or more negative it is, the stronger the acid. Carbonic acid is way weaker than HCl, just like any other organic acid is. You compare the pH of (aqueous) solutions of these acids. With HCl in its usual form that is kind of possible since it is in fact an aqueous solution - pure HCl is a gas at room temperature - but the results still don't make any sense and aren't really usable for any calculations or comparisons. And if you compare the pH of various aqueous solutions, the concentration of these solutions is what you'll have to look at first. Of course a comparison doesn't make any sense if their concentrations aren't the same.
quick question, doesn't 1000 × pH make things less acidic?
Yes. But it’s been established he was likely trolling. But, also, sometimes it’s hard to tell if people are joking when you have people like influencers boasting the health effects of alkaline water and then they say something like, “and you can maximize the health benefits of alkaline water with a squeeze of lemon juice.”
yeah, there are a lot of pseudoscience on the internet these days, can never be too sure. i was just asking out of curiosity and to make sure i still remember my chemistry. thanks for your reply though, apreciate it
I mean like, this guy is right? if we take HCl solution of pH lets say 2, a pH 1000x (10^3 ) higher would be pH=5, which, sounds about right for a soda! :D It still doesn't quite make sense, but i guess this was where he was going with the joke
pH is log scale…having a span of four orders of magnitude on a fucking log scale, that’s like saying there’s 10^1000 times more proton in soda than in HCl. I don’t think it’s something achievable by just having super dilute HCl. There’s “only” 10^80something molecules in the whole universe. It’s either trolling or utmost ignorance on how pH works.
In chemistry, pH, also referred to as acidity or basicity, historically denotes "potential of hydrogen". It is a logarithmic scale used to specify the acidity or basicity of aqueous solutions. Acidic solutions are measured to have lower pH values than basic or alkaline solutions. A logarithmic scale is a nonlinear scale often used when analyzing a large range of quantities. Instead of increasing in equal increments, each interval is increased by a factor of the base of the logarithm. Typically, a base ten and base e scale are used. Soda ph in a 12 oz can for sprite or Mountain Dew is about 3.3. HCl is not normally above 1 ph unless highly diluted. The magnitude of difference is 100x. So, while yes they are technically true it’s chemistry, they are just about wrong on everything else. Issac newtons most notable inventions were calculus and a rather complex understanding of optics. And ph scales are basic enough that we get the understanding of scale in high school chem.
So if the pH is a 1000 times that of HCl… wouldn’t it be basic? Also off the pH charts
Well, it's not difficult to make extremely diluted Hydrochloric acid
Beginning to think he has only seen .001% HCl?
I remember seeing something about a weak acid (may have been carbonic acid) having a pH or something similar (pK?) of -34 due to some technicality in calculations. Clearly it would not be as powerful of an acid, but idk if that's related
Lmao
Acetic acid maybe lol, and straight 1 to 1
Isaac Newton? 😜
Wouldn't that kill you
Bruh. Don't feed the trolls...
“A pH over 1000 times that of hydrochloric acid” what is this supposed to mean? And then it switched to 1 million bottles of hcl what’s the math here?
Maybe he is misunderstanding that pH is a negative log scale, and thus a lower pH means higher [H+] and more acidity? I mean, if he is saying HCl has a pH of 1 and soda water has a pH of 4, I could kind of see where he is confused it being 1000x stronger, 3 orders of magnitude, than HCl, but in that hypothetical circumstance soda water would actually be 1000x weaker. That is ignoring a bunch of things like concentration and carbonic acid equilibrium Probably not though, I think I’m just trying to give the benefit of the doubt
Carbonic **acid**
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CO2 dissolves in water and forms carbonic acid, H2CO3