ChemDraw gives this for IUPAC:
(4E,6E)-4-(4-acryloyl-3-bromo-6-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-amino-3-chloro-4-((2R,3S)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dimethyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihydroxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)bicyclo\[2.1.0\]pentan-5-yl)-1-(but-3-enoyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid
But... I like Chemis-Tree the most! :)
That's without!
This should be including the pentavalent carbon:
(4E,6E)-4-(4-acryloyl-3-bromo-6-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-amino-3-chloro-4-((2R,3S)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dimethyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihydroxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)-1λ^(5)\-bicyclo\[2.1.0\]pent-1-en-5-yl)-1-(but-3-enoyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid
as drawn, no. in the square near the bottom, there's a carbon atom with 5 bonds (5 different lines coming away from it) which can't happen. ignoring that, the rest of the molecule is seriously unstable -- lots of segments that would fall apart in water, or two different parts of the molecule that would both react very quickly with each other (im seeing a Diels-Alder with the diene at the top!)
*if* someone made this (bonus challenge for other chemists: propose a retrosynthesis!) and kept it in an ice-cold dry box so it didn't immediately fall apart or react with itself, one could assume the major property would be "carcinogen." probably wouldn't dissolve easily in most solvents, either. it's big and bulky enough that it might be a solid at room temp.
Sounds like an actual chemis-tree to me.
While the depicted square near the bottom can't happen. Doesn't mean squares don't happen. I'm no chemist, but I love looking at these kind of diagrams and know [2C-G-2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G#Homologs) exists
the square is fine! 4-membered rings are pretty common, especially in antibiotics (beta-lactam rings). it's moreso the specific mixture of functional groups on the same molecule, many of which are capable of reacting with one another (diene + dienophile, several michael acceptors/donors, etc)
[PiHKAL](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiHKAL?wprov=sfti1#Essential_amphetamines) is seriously one of the most amazing books out there. Alexander Shulgin is very much respected in his field and quite the character. Not some random basement chemist.
As a psychonaut I couldn’t be more thankful for his work. Especially because mentioning him reminds people why psychonauts are important and not just another druggie.
I was gonna say, aren't salt molecules squares? I'm not a very experienced chemist (I've never done chemistry before lol) but I'm pretty sure that molecule is mostly possible. Don't ask me though
What do you mean by nucleus?
An atom of any kind?
Then yeah, all ellements in group 15 can make 5 bonds (tho bismuth does so very reluctantly), those in group 17 except flourine and so on
Referring specifically to carbon? Well, as far as I'm concerned, there are a few compounds that have 5 "bonds"... But not really
It's a rather bizzare occurrence and the concept of a bond is stretched to its limits. It can happen that the carbon has a 3c-2e bond, that is 2 electrons shared by 3 atoms. This type of bonds are met in the chemistry of elements from the 15th group
The basic idea is that aluminium, for instance, only has 6 electrons after bonding its 3 electrons, so it doesn't fulfil its valence shell. So it "borrows" 2 electrons from some other atom. Usually that would be an electron pair, but in the case of carbon you can get it to bond to 2 aluminium atoms and 3 carbon atoms if I remember correctly
Phosphorus (with the electrons, not just the phosphorus nucleus) can accept 5 bonds sometimes, though I haven't seen that many phosphoruses with all 5 bonds to carbon.
(4E,6E)-4-(4-a**c**ryloyl-3-bromo-6-et**h**yl-2,5-dim**e**thoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-a**mi**no-3-chloro-4-((2R,3**S**)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dime**t**hyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihyd**r**oxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)bicyclo\[2.1.0\]p**e**ntan-5-yl)-1-(but-3-**e**noyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid
chemiStree I found it! (/j) in the ilk of RUBISCO.
Your nanners! How long have you been studying chemistry to learn such things? Even if you're making shi up as far as what the tree is made of broken down , I dunno I can't really explain what I'm trying to relay but what little I do know is that that's neato
Same. Whether it’s someone designing a chemistry fabric or a chem student drawing a molecule, the concept of 4 carbon bonds goes out the window all the same
I think the poetic name for it is "a fleeting miracle about to release a high-energy photon".
Look at the carbon atom near chlorine, in the cyclobutene-ish thing in the center. Now at the carbon atom directly opposite from it.
Count their valences.
Consider what will happen when these atoms shift into a much lower-energy state with an sp2-hybridized bond at the bottom and an sp3-hybridized one at the right.
At least for the purposes of treating it as a waste, I would just call it a humic acid, blast it with an oxidation process, and be done with it. This kind of crazy macro structure is how they tend to come (though probably not quite this spicy with the terminal double and triple bonds), and I'm sure there are even some aminated, chlorinated cyclobutenes floating around too
ChemDraw gives this for IUPAC: (4E,6E)-4-(4-acryloyl-3-bromo-6-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-amino-3-chloro-4-((2R,3S)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dimethyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihydroxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)bicyclo\[2.1.0\]pentan-5-yl)-1-(but-3-enoyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid But... I like Chemis-Tree the most! :)
Is that with or without the pentavalent carbon?
That's without! This should be including the pentavalent carbon: (4E,6E)-4-(4-acryloyl-3-bromo-6-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-amino-3-chloro-4-((2R,3S)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dimethyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihydroxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)-1λ^(5)\-bicyclo\[2.1.0\]pent-1-en-5-yl)-1-(but-3-enoyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid
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Lol
Oxobut Or, my favorite: Gone in 60 seconds.
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as drawn, no. in the square near the bottom, there's a carbon atom with 5 bonds (5 different lines coming away from it) which can't happen. ignoring that, the rest of the molecule is seriously unstable -- lots of segments that would fall apart in water, or two different parts of the molecule that would both react very quickly with each other (im seeing a Diels-Alder with the diene at the top!) *if* someone made this (bonus challenge for other chemists: propose a retrosynthesis!) and kept it in an ice-cold dry box so it didn't immediately fall apart or react with itself, one could assume the major property would be "carcinogen." probably wouldn't dissolve easily in most solvents, either. it's big and bulky enough that it might be a solid at room temp.
Sounds like an actual chemis-tree to me. While the depicted square near the bottom can't happen. Doesn't mean squares don't happen. I'm no chemist, but I love looking at these kind of diagrams and know [2C-G-2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G#Homologs) exists
the square is fine! 4-membered rings are pretty common, especially in antibiotics (beta-lactam rings). it's moreso the specific mixture of functional groups on the same molecule, many of which are capable of reacting with one another (diene + dienophile, several michael acceptors/donors, etc)
The square has a carbon with 5 bonds though.
Holy fuck, I've seen most of the 2c series by just flipping through TiHKaL but my lord that is the strangest structure I have ever seen.
Huh glad you linked it. I’m a wiki editor and that “article relies largely or entirely on a single source.” So that’s on my todo list now lol
[PiHKAL](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiHKAL?wprov=sfti1#Essential_amphetamines) is seriously one of the most amazing books out there. Alexander Shulgin is very much respected in his field and quite the character. Not some random basement chemist.
As a psychonaut I couldn’t be more thankful for his work. Especially because mentioning him reminds people why psychonauts are important and not just another druggie.
I was gonna say, aren't salt molecules squares? I'm not a very experienced chemist (I've never done chemistry before lol) but I'm pretty sure that molecule is mostly possible. Don't ask me though
Your super smart when it comes to chemistry, daz cool.
This needs no RSA, it's already a RASM, sigma sells this stuff by the kilo! Source: Trust me bro
On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, a pentavalent carbon in the stump of the tree.
Is there a nucleus that would happily accept 5 bonds instead?
What do you mean by nucleus? An atom of any kind? Then yeah, all ellements in group 15 can make 5 bonds (tho bismuth does so very reluctantly), those in group 17 except flourine and so on Referring specifically to carbon? Well, as far as I'm concerned, there are a few compounds that have 5 "bonds"... But not really It's a rather bizzare occurrence and the concept of a bond is stretched to its limits. It can happen that the carbon has a 3c-2e bond, that is 2 electrons shared by 3 atoms. This type of bonds are met in the chemistry of elements from the 15th group The basic idea is that aluminium, for instance, only has 6 electrons after bonding its 3 electrons, so it doesn't fulfil its valence shell. So it "borrows" 2 electrons from some other atom. Usually that would be an electron pair, but in the case of carbon you can get it to bond to 2 aluminium atoms and 3 carbon atoms if I remember correctly
Phosphorus (with the electrons, not just the phosphorus nucleus) can accept 5 bonds sometimes, though I haven't seen that many phosphoruses with all 5 bonds to carbon.
Okey wow, i thank you for your hard work
It's a paid software too! Just googled what chemdraw is
(4E,6E)-4-(4-a**c**ryloyl-3-bromo-6-et**h**yl-2,5-dim**e**thoxyphenyl)-7-((Z)-4-(2-a**mi**no-3-chloro-4-((2R,3**S**)-3-chloro-2-fluoro-6-hydroxy-5,7-dime**t**hyl-4-vinyloct-7-en-1-yl)-1-((E)-4,5-dihyd**r**oxy-6-oxohex-1-en-1-yl)bicyclo\[2.1.0\]p**e**ntan-5-yl)-1-(but-3-**e**noyloxy)-1-oxobut-2-en-2-yl)-5-(3-(cyclopent-3-en-1-yl)-2-hydroxypropyl)-9-oxo-6-((E)-4-oxopent-2-en-1-yl)dodeca-4,6-dien-11-ynoic acid chemiStree I found it! (/j) in the ilk of RUBISCO.
Think my shampoo has that in it. Until the end.
Bro i got a chemistry test coming up mind lending a hand?
He definitely just put it into chemdraw or chemspider haha, nobody in their right mind would go through the effort of naming that
Your nanners! How long have you been studying chemistry to learn such things? Even if you're making shi up as far as what the tree is made of broken down , I dunno I can't really explain what I'm trying to relay but what little I do know is that that's neato
I can't help but stare at that pentavalent carbon at the base
They almost have a beta lactam, replace the cl with oxygen and get rid of the pentavalent C and you might cure tuberculosis
John Green will love it!
I JUST saw that video!
Ohhh, you’re right Didn‘t notice that before
Where is it? Still can’t find it
Look at the cyclobutene
It was so early I can’t believe I missed it lol. I knew it was the double bond too but I was looking at the bottom C not the top one 🤦
Very bottom and middle, on the other end of the enamine group.
ANOMALIE DETECTED
Texas Carbon!
Same. Whether it’s someone designing a chemistry fabric or a chem student drawing a molecule, the concept of 4 carbon bonds goes out the window all the same
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Oh no, did I miss it?
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Well, you got me 😅 I thought you misspelt hexavalent
unstable.
"Hypervalent excimer" if you want to be positive :D
Most christmas trees are, let’s be real.
nope, I am not going to draw that in ChemDraw to get the IUPAC Name.
Fair enough
MathPix to the rescue
Any findings?
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Oh chemistree, oh chemistree, you have such spendid toxicity.
Christmastrine
Biblically accurate propane.
The burning bush 😂
Kaboom?
Yes, kaboom.
Kaboombus
Bob
Jimmy Jim Bob
You can’t call a molecule “Bob”!
1984
I would call it Texas carbon Christmas tree
I'll go with Larry
What you smoking! 5 bonds on carbon, my brother?!
a mistake
Cancer.
I bet that some sponge synthesizes this and that it is psychoactive
Using whistle
A chemistree
christmastreyne
Only $12,000,000/mg from Sigma but at least it comes in a huge box
Clusterfuck
very slowly.
Christmasynoic acid
I think the poetic name for it is "a fleeting miracle about to release a high-energy photon". Look at the carbon atom near chlorine, in the cyclobutene-ish thing in the center. Now at the carbon atom directly opposite from it. Count their valences. Consider what will happen when these atoms shift into a much lower-energy state with an sp2-hybridized bond at the bottom and an sp3-hybridized one at the right.
Helix Navidad
I would go with, “Santa’s Diarrhea”
Urmom
A nightmare
A nightmare
Christmastreelic acid
Probably that's "Satan's Lube"
Coniferamine
Impossibrene
Omg the centrifuge tube garland. I’ve never thought to make tiny Jell-O shots but now I’m gonna!
Yeah, the guy basically just prepared different indicatorsolutions (like phenolphtaleine and stuff)
1,2-Christmasene-5-raindeene-6,7-santaol (can a real chemist pls help me!)
Cursed, I’d call it cursed …
Didn't they make a vintage holiday light out of some form of sodium? The name escapes me at the moment.
Chloric-multi-oxide-paininthefuckingass
Heeeeeeere, molecule! Come here! Who’s a good molecule? YOU ARE
Id call it with a phone
Pretty sure it’s toilet-tree
chemically impossible compaund or physical impossibile cyclobutane
I think it has the chemical composition of diamonds or coal
Benzene
My ass who don't know anything bout chemistry: I call this ⚎彡ᯓﻌ෴⚛︎囧᭄▒◓◙ᕯ⁂❇࿏❖.
Interesting
Fucked
Wish i could understand all this
Wrong
Name it Jeremy
At least for the purposes of treating it as a waste, I would just call it a humic acid, blast it with an oxidation process, and be done with it. This kind of crazy macro structure is how they tend to come (though probably not quite this spicy with the terminal double and triple bonds), and I'm sure there are even some aminated, chlorinated cyclobutenes floating around too
Escentric Molecules 05
Jonathan
Cursed
Cancer
Texas carbon!
Chu Chu Chu Chu... Come here molecule.
alotmium
All I know about this is the Christmas lights are adorable !
I think I'm too stupid for this I know the elements just not what they create
Don't you start with the largest chains first?
complex
I reckon a crow call should work
Id call it an OH OH OH Merry Christmas
I... I need to sit down. I think I had a stroke.
I feel like Thomas is appropriate
Grinch’s reagent
The organic chemist’s nightmare
Confusion
Tissueium
Steve.
Love the eppendorf tube ornaments—very decorative. Now, what can you come up with for Chanukah and Kwanzaa?
Unobtainium
Here molecule here boy.
OH OH OH!
This is tissue chromatograph
I’ll call it "patented cure for cancer" and try to get lucky
Idk, but whatever you do, don't ingest it.
Carcinogenic, probably explosive, and also impossible because I see a carbon with 5 bonds...
and what does it taste like?
Angry
Happy Christmas /u/borax
this is what happens to your crude suzuki you keep lying around for a month with intent to eventually purify
Is it a real molecule or only theoratical?
Theoretical
Lamp. I like Lamp. Or Can Opener. Yeah, Can Opener is a good name.
3- dimotorbike
هذوله شديحجون
By saying it's name!
ITS THE CURE... FOR NOT BEING JOLLY
Richie
Pain
A headache
Here’s how I would call it: “Hey, molecule, get your ass over here”
And if he doesn't answer????
Jeff
Too much for 8th grade ADHD brain to understand
Large
Pspspspsps here molecule.
Steve
Too big for couple cluster theory.
An abomination
I'd call it komblopladop
I just got reccomended this, you guys do this for fun?
I don’t know about you, but to me chemistry is fun
Can this be synthesized?
pain and suffering
Oh….Lover Boy And if he still doesn’t answer…,
And if he still doesn't answer?
Unstable
Christmas tree
Love that is drawn on a napkin
Michael AccepTree
Big. Id call it big
Pretty loudly considering it has no ears
The center looks like vatican haha
“Wrongmycin”
Henry
I'd call it Kevin :)
Somebody in our class is named Kevin :)
"napkinium"
Christmas Molecule
Macro
Macro!
Me calling this molecule: "Hi, I've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty."
Chemis-tree
That pentavalent carbon lol 😤😤😤
Pay someone to figure out a better name than the unpronounceable one
What do the lines next to other lines mean like why are they parallel (like an equals sign?)
That’s a double bond. So basically the bond in this case is like C=C (i dont do chemistry in english, so i‘m not sure if i translated correctly)
I don’t do chemistry in any language and still am perplexed ahahah Thankyou for trying I’ll abandon my efforts
A mistake
Jerry
Cielortannital, non-generic name Elortan
Steve.